View Full Version : Fx 5900 128 mb or Radion 9700 pro?
Ok. I havnt played nc in about 2 weeks now. #1, just needed a break like we all do sometimes. #2, my video cads fan is broken, so if I play 3d games is overheats and I gotta reboot every hour or so... so ive been playing non 3d accel game, moo3, and fallout tactics again. Having a good time actually, but its time to get back to nc again, help out my clan, see frinds pk people etc. So, Instead of hunting down some place that can replace my old GF 3 Ti 500's fan, (unless someone can tell me quick, easy, and cheap way to do it... I examimned it, and it anit gonna come off easy, and im no expert in this area) I need a new card.
Im looking to get the good second - 3rd best card... meaning not spend $380 but still get anice card. Ive narrowed my options to GF FX 5900 128, $177 on pricwatch, or ATI Radion 9700 pro 128 mb 184 on pricewatch. Or, if someone can give me a reason, ATI Radion 9800 pro 128 mb for $204....
Now, heres what I know. Of course, I looked up reviews, some people say ati is better, some nvidia, some say both are great. GF runs games A,B,C faster, ATI runs games D,E,F faster.
Heres what I care about: #1 which card will be best for the updated graphics in NC? I heard some people have trouble with ATI and NC.... so if 9800 pro is 5% faster then GF, but causes NC to crash more, well then for me GF is better... if not, ill take the speed.
#2 which card will be better for half life 2 and doom 3? Ill proably get a whole new comp then, get the crappiest video card possible, and just put the one I buy now in it.
#3 which runs BF Vietnam better?
So, if you needed a card, basded on the above, GF FX 5900 128 mb, ATI radeon 9700ro 128 mb for $180 or spend the extra $30 for an ATI 9800 pro 128 mb? $210 is really the highest I'm willing to go, but ive 9800 is only like 4% better ill save my $.
nvidia should be better for doy than ati but both support dx9 afaik so either is good personally im an nvidia person so i'd stick with them see if you can pickup a gainwood one theyre relativley cheap
doom 3 = nvidia
hl2 = ati
each is coded more specificlaly for each card and nvidia have a launch bundle planned with doom 3 and ID
___T-X____
26-03-04, 17:54
my head hurts after trying to decipher your post
ATI 9800 Pro (http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=AA21610)
The price for the card above is $210.27 (that includes shipping from Califorina to Ohio)......
Radeon 9800 (Not Pro, SE or LE, or any other, just 9800) seems to the best bang for the buck atm, unless you are playing a LOT more opengl games, for that I'd pick some Geforce. But since there aren't too many good opengl games out there and Neo isn't one, I'd definetly go for Ati.
only 2 of the posters explain their reasoning... plz explain why one or the others better, and keep in mind price, which you belive NC will run best with. (I know its mostly cpu now, butthat will change wont it?) and which games are optimized for nvidia or ATI.
Originally posted by Candaman
Geforce < ATI Nuff Said
so true
;)
most games are optimised for nvidia appart from HL2 which is ati
EA Games (BF1942) specialise in nvidia as do id software.
in benchmarking and with current drivers ati out performs nvidia in dx applications however the nvidia is more raw power and capable of quicker calculations due to better architecture.
however the nvidia drivers currently dont make the best out of the hardware give them a few months to develop it further by time doy is out nvidia will be whiping the floor with ati again
however i would consider this
PCI Express is out soon so whilst you may pay $200 for a card do in 2 months youll get the same card for only $100 as all the major manufacturers move over to new chipsets on the new pci express format.
so if you can hold out a few months
if not just buy something cheap that works for now. then when pcie is out get new mb new processor and a new beast of a gfx card and then watch some serious performace gains
Originally posted by hinch
nvidia should be better for doy than ati but both support dx9 afaik so either is good personally im an nvidia person so i'd stick with them see if you can pickup a gainwood one theyre relativley cheap
doom 3 = nvidia
hl2 = ati
each is coded more specificlaly for each card and nvidia have a launch bundle planned with doom 3 and ID
Sorry hinch but thats just marketing, neither game is being coded specificlly for each card, at the last ID doom showing they had stickers saying nvidia but were using 9800XTs to run the demos.
Further more with the present batch of cards the only cards to fully hardware support DX9 is the 9800 series, the 5950 (which is a 5900 with a different heatspreader and a better bios, MSI 5900s can be flashed to 5950) is the only card worth getting from nvidia at the moment and it costs a fortune.
Dont touch the nvidia XTs, gainward are using the XT prefix instead of the old MX one for budget cards, a move designed to confuse customers me thinks.
I'd suggest you fork out for the 9800 pro, then you wont have to upgrade again for a very long time.
Thx for the info. But, like I said, my current vieo cards out of commision, and I really cant wait 1 or 2 months to play NC tbh. I thought Id have found a job by now, but I havnt, so money is tight... if I can buy a 177 -207 card that lasts 1 year (then I can get the "ultra version" of the new cards comming out, the $ will be worth it.
I was looking at specs and GF does seem to have more power... faster cpu, ram etc... but then Intel is "faster" then AMD but AMD is "faster" clock speed for clock speed... thats why its so confusing....
Ill read more reviews and look at more opinions here, then make my choise.
Heres a good comparison of most of the major cards at present.
http://www20.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031229/
http://www.anandtech.com/
read some stuff on there.
@el ignore the marketing the fact is hl2 = dx9 doom3 = ogl and nvidia is alot more powerfull than ati in the ogl market
so when i say specifically coded i mean via methods implemented
but again the nividia will support dx9 properly when nvidia pulls finger out of arse and actually writes the support for it
You got me there, ATI's coding for OGL isnt as good as nvidias but thats a driver issue and not a hardware issue.
Testing the 256meg 9800XT -v- the 256meg 5950 each is goihg to be slightly better in diffrent areas but as you move down to the lower end cards ATI consistantly out preform nVidia making them a better choice, right now I see 5700s going for more than 9800pros that'll score 1000 more in 3dmark03 and kick shite out of them in real world tests.
Regarding the future and this summers cards, after reading the specs of the next itteration of nVidia cards it still looks like they're mucking around, using a bridge for PCIE offers no improvement for the user it just makes it compatable so my money is still going to be spent on ATI for the foreseeable future.
I'd also like to pint out I'm not anti nvidia in the past I owned a GF2 and a GF3ti200 but when I went for a big upgrade every review and comparison pointed to the 9800 series and in my opinion they still do.
Psyco Groupie
26-03-04, 18:43
RADEON > FX FOR DX9 FACT.
STOP, POSTING, OTHERWISE.
so when i say specifically coded i mean via methods implemented
NOOO. Thats just not right. Any game maker's goal is to make their product as fast as they can on any card out there. Why would a company alienate half of their market by "optimizing" their game for one type of card. It is simply not true in any way. If someone shows you an example...it is an anomoly in the game code....IE not intentional.
www.newegg.com is my favorite source for hardware. I get the best stuff from them.
Personally I have an ATI 9800pro and love it. I have also had a 5900ultra. Which card is better? Neither frankly. The only reason I went ATI is the plain fact that the card is slightly smaller and I dont have much room in my case.
HOWEVER. It is infact VERY simple to put a new heatsink/fan on your ti500. You just pop off the old one. Shmear on some grease, then push-pin a new one in. Plug, insert, and your good to go.
http://heatsinkfactory.com/cgi-bin/HFAstore.pl?user_action=detail&catalogno=VC-001
There ya go. $10.99. I would say, put that sucker in...then wait another few months to do a full over-haul on your system. That means an AMD-64 CPU and new generation Vid card. The 9800/5900 are on the brink of becoming obsolete as bleeding edge hardware is just around the corner. IE...r420 (codename for newest ATI card).
Whatever you choose, best of luck.
EDIT: As a side note. From the looks of it nvidias next-gen card will be a real beast. ATI is sweating already.
and @groupie....thats neat except their are no true dx9 games out, and they dont look to be with us until june. By then nvidia will be pounding ATI into the ground.
Originally posted by Psyco Groupie
RADEON > FX FOR DX9 FACT.
STOP, POSTING, OTHERWISE.
Who is?
EDIT: As a side note. From the looks of it nvidias next-gen card will be a real beast. ATI is sweating already.
and @groupie....thats neat except their are no true dx9 games out, and they dont look to be with us until june. By then nvidia will be pounding ATI into the ground.
Can you link me to something that says the next nvidia card will be better than the next ait, especially considering the ati will take advantage of the increased memory bandwidth provided by PCIE whereas nvidias cards will use a bridge effectively limiting them to the 3.2gigs of bandwidth AGP Pro offers?
Originally posted by Candaman
Geforce > ATI Nuff Said
What more could you want to know?
mmh I sense a disturbance in the force:
HL2 will PROBABLY run better on an ATI card.
Doom3 SHOULD be about even ATI/nVidia vise but that is only cause ID coded A WHOLE NEW codepath for the FX cards.
I am sorry but I have no clue about battlefield. It will probably run very good at both.
Atm ATI cards beat the living crap out of Geforce cards in DX9 (Suposedly what DoYs going to run), no one knows about the next-gen cards. As said they are just around the cornor (wtf spelling?).
When looking for reviews be sure to check out more than one site with the same benchmark. Toms hardware for instance have a bad habit of favorizing certain companies.
PCI-E the new standard, will most probably not give any significant performance gains, not in the near future anyway. Basically the gfx cards doesn't need it.
I'd go for the Radeon 9800pro, or if you can get a fan on the GF3 and wait a couple of months go for that.
Hope it helped a bit.
Dargeshaad
26-03-04, 23:36
Or you could just "under"-clock your GF3 with tools such as RivaTuner untill it gets stable (most likely Core Clock will have the largest impact).
I don't use cooling on my GF4, I got a large heatsink though ;)
Originally posted by Candaman
Geforce > ATI Nuff Said
negative
my 9700 pro got better FPS in planetside than the gf fx 5950 ultra
MjukisDjur
27-03-04, 02:19
Originally posted by Candaman
Geforce > ATI Nuff Said
What, at cheating in different tests?? ATI is the only thing that get inside my house :P
Peeping Tom
27-03-04, 07:21
i usally just make some BIg ass mofo gettho coolers for my vidcards ( socket heat sinks with speed controlled fans )
i would go for Fx5900 or Radeon 9800 pro ( pro is cheaper than np atleast here inn norway)
alternativ you could replace your fan with some of theese and wait til you get upgrade your whole system
http://www.crazypc.com/products/cooling/cooling.htm#cardcoolers
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/memandvidcar.html
http://www.jab-tech.com/customer/product.php?productid=2095&cat=0&page= a nice cooler... should work on GF 3 it also work on radeon 9800 np\pro if you should buy that one later
http://www.systemcooling.com/vga_silencer-01.html
K4F
/edit added a review of the fan
/edit 2 found cheaper store for the last fan..
•Super|\|ova•
27-03-04, 09:52
If NC doesn't bug with radeon cards anymore then definitely radeon since it's cheaper and maybe even a bit more powerful than the nvidia cards that are a bit more expensive.
ASUS ATI Radeon 9800XT <-- Best card on the market.
doom 3 = nvidia
Actually the last I heard doom 3 was running better on ATI aswell :)
Apparently nvidia cards have problems with some dx9 features (even the newer ones), meaning they have to mix it with parts of dx8. Which is the reason HL2 wont be as good on geforce cards. Probably the same for all games made purly on dx9.
@ el_muerko
I had read an article some time back from the inquirer that said the nv40 would run with 16 pipelines, while the ATi would be on 12. Its obvious nvidia would win.
HOWEVER, after you asked for a link I went to get the article and found a new one that stated the original 16 pipeline configuration was really just 8x2, and ATi had a true 12x1 config. That will make both cards pretty even in performance, but if you turn off z-buffer in a game, the nv40 suddenly is a full 16 pipelines and will wipe away the r420. The problem is, most games need z-buffer on in order to not get weird gfx glitches. There is a trend starting however, where more games will have 100% polygon edges. The first of which is doom3. If its true, running the game with z-buffer off will run just as if z-buffer is on....therefore nv40 will be able to run the game with 16 full pipelines and blow ATi out of the water. Unfortunetly a lot of games need z-buffer on...which brings the nv40 back to 8x2 pipelines, which is an even match with ATi's 12x1.
As for pcie....thats not scheduled until r423 or later, so it will be in the v1.5 next-gen cards. If vett wanted to get a r423/pcie mobo, he would most likely be looking at over 1k....for just those 2 parts. Not very cost effective imo.
ATI = Hl2
Niv = Doom3
given that HL2 > Doom3
there for
ATI > Niv
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14830
the one I 1st read......what does it lead you to assume?
LOL
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14878
Kind of goes back on original 16x1 claim.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14972
So...sounds like the nv40 might be 16x1 after all which would dominate the r420....but I dont know how they made such a fast transition to 16x1 from 8x2....sounds fishy.
Vampire222
27-03-04, 21:14
id personally go for the 5900 and flash its bios to 5950... make sure its getting well cooled, and itll work fine... if it was v 9800pro id take that one
Vampire222
27-03-04, 21:19
also buy a club3d one, cheap and good
The inquirer is like not very trust-worthy is it...?
ok thx for the info.... I looked at lots or reviews too, I think im gonna go 9800 pro, and skip the next gen cards, then get the ultra or pro version of the next gen cards a year from now.... I am quite certain I'll be playing NC mostly anyway.
hard to argue an NDA though.
Gotta know what to look for at the inquirer, some info is not always true.
I just got a geforce 5950 ultra and it fly's!!!
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