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DigestiveBiscui
10-03-04, 18:24
I'm still having the same problems that i have bee having for the past couple of months with the fucking game

helpdesk did nothing when i emailed them, re-install of NC did nothing, so now im asking you WTF is wrong with this tossing game

I takes about 10 re-connects now to get on sucessfully, problems range from having no SL and cash, having nothing in SLOT 1, having no imps, crashing to desktop, and the most common one - stuck in sync while u see what is going on around you. Other times it will work with less re-connects, so surely if it was a problem with my comp then it would happen ALL of the time

Can't be my connection - i had it when i had ISDN and i now still have it on 512K

it's REALLY starting to piss me off

GT_Rince
10-03-04, 18:37
I'll say this again.. I said it sooo many times before.

If it was a problem specific to NC, then more would suffer, not just a handful from the forums that actually take the time to visit / post.

Personally, I have next to no problems with NC - very few FRE's / crashes. I get the login problem about once every 6 months )it is that infrequent).

Has your machine been rebuilt recently? If not, perhaps it is time. ADSL or ISDN - all lines belong to BT, unless you are on cable (if you in the UK). Perhaps there is some problem at the exchange? If in the UK, call BT and ask them to turn the Gain on the line up, and don't take no for an answer - they can't refuse your request.

I used to have similar lag problems with my old 2Mb ADSL - BT investigated and found it was actually a bad connection at the exchange. After that was fixed, was sweet as a nut...

Finally, have a look what is running at the same time - Firewalls, AV, P2P, Webpages, Appz, etc... If they are, stop 'em and try.

Hope you get it sorted though.

Chaplin
10-03-04, 18:42
Originally posted by GT_Rince
If it was a problem specific to NC, then more would suffer, not just a handful from the forums that actually take the time to visit / post.

Please name the exact number of people from which on you would take those complaints for serious... 20? 50? 100? 500?

yibble
10-03-04, 18:43
That being said... Do you get the same issues when playing on a different server?

I myself and everyone I have spoken to on the subject, feels that Saturn is hacking up fur-balls.

Exmond
10-03-04, 18:46
I occasionally get the log in to Synch forever bug...

GT_Rince
10-03-04, 19:22
Originally posted by Chaplin
Please name the exact number of people from which on you would take those complaints for serious... 20? 50? 100? 500?

Unless you got anything useful to add, then why bother posting ?

I don't see 20 people saying they have this problem - I don't see 5... Of course it is a pain in the ass when this happens, but peeps are always too quick to look at / blame KK - look locally for the problem first - It may lie deeper than right in front of your eyes! :rolleyes:

EDIT-----
To answer your question, if everyone on the server was getting this at the same time, then yes, KK need to do something about it. But the odd one now and then... How can everyone blame KK so quickly. It could be bad coding that is clashing with something else - there again, it might not be...

yibble
10-03-04, 19:26
GT_Rince... Just out of curiosity, when was the last time you played on the Saturn server?

johngreen2000
10-03-04, 19:29
The thing is people keep blaming in on our systems and not neocron but the fact remains there are more than just a few people having problems.

My example..I have 3 comps 1 running xp 1 desktop running 98 and a laptop running 98. Every single one of them has diffrent video cards, diffrent sound cards, diffrent specs and they all FRE atleast 1 time an hour. I just reformatted my xp machine a week ago, there is nothing but factory stuff + neocron on it. No misc apps running, i dont even have my virus prog reloaded yet. And it FRE as much as it did when it had 70 gig of porn and misc stuff on it with spy ware and hadnt been formatted in close to 2 years.

so lets take a look at my facts

3 diffrent comps
all 3 FRE
2 diffrent O.S.'s
3 diffrent video cards 1 is ge force, 1 is voodoo one is factory default which im havnt checked out in a long time
im running my isp through a cable modem.
I have played 10-15 diffren online games(UO,EQ,DaoC,AC,AC2,etc) and none, and i mean none crash like neocron does.
I put up with it because neocron is a great game but to place all the blame on the users systems is bullshit. There is somthing on there side causing problems. It very evident when you look at the thing as a whole. People syncing into other people just because they zoned at the same time. Mobs not taking damage when damage is displayed. That is bad coding there. The reason i quit around 14 months ago was becuase my constructor died and went into infinite sync. I asked a gm to fix it. He told me to /kill self. I did that and it fixed it but low and behold my 100+ rare parts, my tl 150 con tool and the misc wepaon parts and such I had were all gone never to be seen again. It obvious there is somthing wrong with there code.


2 of the comps dont do anything except play/have neocron installed on em so there is no spy ware causing problems

Hackenstein
10-03-04, 19:34
I have cable and decent system. I crash regularlly and have all the bugs mentioned. It is a neocron issue not his comp. It also takes about 10 to 15 seconds for me to get back in game after i crash so I kinda take it as it comes. Why his is so bad. who knows?

Disturbed021
10-03-04, 19:42
I play on both Pluto and Saturn and have not seen much difference in the amount I crash on either server.
Every 5th or 6th time I login I get the 50 hlt 80 stam synch on either server but just relogging once fixes that.
I fre about once every 1-2 hours on either server.
And I also have 2 dif comps with dif versions of windows, dif video cards, etc...

Only dif I've seen is a bit more lag on Saturn; like when I kill a mob it slides 10-15 m away from where I thought I killed it....

GT_Rince
10-03-04, 19:42
Originally posted by yibble
GT_Rince... Just out of curiosity, when was the last time you played on the Saturn server?

Just over a month ago now. I was on there for about 2-3 months but got tired of... some things on there...

EDIT----

Also I never, and I MEAN never, log in to a synch or no health, or whatever this bug is. If it's NC, why do I never get it? Do you not think it is possible for something to be conflicting on other machines? Why do I only FRE once ever few days (max.) - and the only time I lag, is when everyone else does as well.

All KK's fault? I really doubt it.

Psyco Groupie
10-03-04, 19:44
If you log with 'the almight damning sync bug' .. be patient and dont relog instantly cos you'll still be logged in .. go make a drink and talk to your family or seomthing then try again

StryfeX
10-03-04, 19:46
Originally posted by GT_Rince
Just over a month ago now. I was on there for about 2-3 months but got tired of... some things on there... That would be the problem... During the last week or so, the shit has really started hitting the fan. Massive lag spikes fairly frequently, consistently high ping, etc.

--Stryfe

GT_Rince
10-03-04, 19:47
Originally posted by StryfeX
That would be the problem... During the last week or so, the shit has really started hitting the fan. Massive lag spikes fairly frequently, consistently high ping, etc.

--Stryfe

One of the things I noticed on Saturn was the lag - and that was another reason I want back to Pluto - but even so, that was the only NC-related problem that I got. I still hardly ever crashed and still never got this logging in bug...

johngreen2000
10-03-04, 19:54
Originally posted by GT_Rince
Just over a month ago now. I was on there for about 2-3 months but got tired of... some things on there...

EDIT----

Also I never, and I MEAN never, log in to a synch or no health, or whatever this bug is. If it's NC, why do I never get it? Do you not think it is possible for something to be conflicting on other machines? Why do I only FRE once ever few days (max.) - and the only time I lag, is when everyone else does as well.

All KK's fault? I really doubt it.

did you ever think that just possbily your one of the luck people who arent experiencing a bug in there system. Ive played many games where a bug will happen to certain people and never for others. Then low and behold a patch is released and now no one gets the bug anymore. Just becuase its a bug doesnt mean it happens to everyone.

and I agree with what you said about lag. I dont lag except when other people are lagging which I guess you going to say is becuase of my systems right..right..all that lag on saturn was just my connection along with the other 40 or so people I heard complaining.

If i had problems with other games or app's id say it might be my system but when neocron is the only one I'm having problems with I seems fishy to me to blame it on my side.


And well id like to say earlier you said there probably wasnt even 5 people complaining about these problems. That just got shot out of the water but the amount of poster that came discribing the same problems.


edit

I think you just dont see people complaining on here about it because

a. they get told its just there system
b. i know atleast a few people who dont post here at all
c. some people just dont bring up this stuff(me included)but ill discuss it if someone brings it up.

Clownst0pper
10-03-04, 20:10
Im fine since, not synced or lagged once.

MUHAHA :eek: :lol:

DigestiveBiscui
10-03-04, 21:40
in replies to people

GT - have a run over to the hardware issues forum on here, you might see that 5 people DO have this, and have also had NO support

Also, get my PC rebuilt - We are not all rich fuckers. If KK / you are sitting there saying 'to play neocron well you MUST have a fresh install + rebuilt computers every 6 months - [ edited for violation of the forum rules - flaming ]

I play a number of games (NC, UT2003, UT2004 demo, BF1942, CS, Half-life, TFC, The specialists, Call of duty..) and the only one that i have any lag / sync probs with IS Neocron - So fucking excuse me if i was thinking that MAYBE neocron might be the problem

i dont FRE much at all either......as a matter of fact i have only FRE this week when i got the sync bug i always get but instead of sitting ni synced it crashed me out - i dont get them while actually playing anymore (not including the shittcom :p)

SO - Basically, its now on page 2 - and no one can think of a way to fix it?

Hayato
10-03-04, 21:45
Got to Pluto.

Nuff said

DigestiveBiscui
10-03-04, 21:47
i am on pluto :P

to sum that up as well

Saturn - 10 relogs

Pluto - about 5

Jupiter - mostyl first time - but when it goes wrong it goes wrong :p and takes about 6 or 7

uranus - not tested much...but about same as pluto

venus - same as pluto and uranus

this was before the saturn reboot - after i tried logging on and i was in sync first time and gave up

Endar
10-03-04, 21:54
It used to take me about 10 tryies to even connect the fecking server and you know why? It was my fecking Windows Xp, when i reinstalled NC worked fine (and still works fine). But now my burning cd driver is fucked up... When World of Warcraft comes out im going to format my HD 10 times and crush it into little pieces and install Linux on my new HD so i never have to see anything about windows or mickeysoft again...

DigestiveBiscui
10-03-04, 22:03
my NC re-install did fuck all

another thing to put on the DOY boxes KK

'If using windows XP - please make sure you re-install neocron once every week, to make sure that our game looks stable'

Endar
10-03-04, 22:32
Like is said, it works fine now. Why dont you reinstall your windows and try again? Oh and defrag, virus/trojan scan and format helps too. And dont just use AdAware or SpyBot, use em both.

GT_Rince
10-03-04, 22:57
Originally posted by DigestiveBiscui
in replies to people

GT - have a run over to the hardware issues forum on here, you might see that 5 people DO have this, and have also had NO support

Also, get my PC rebuilt - We are not all rich fuckers. If KK / you are sitting there saying 'to play neocron well you MUST have a fresh install + rebuilt computers every 6 months - [ edited ]

I play a number of games (NC, UT2003, UT2004 demo, BF1942, CS, Half-life, TFC, The specialists, Call of duty..) and the only one that i have any lag / sync probs with IS Neocron - So fucking excuse me if i was thinking that MAYBE neocron might be the problem

i dont FRE much at all either......as a matter of fact i have only FRE this week when i got the sync bug i always get but instead of sitting ni synced it crashed me out - i dont get them while actually playing anymore (not including the shittcom :p)

SO - Basically, its now on page 2 - and no one can think of a way to fix it?

OK - 1st off, get your facts straight... Rebuild does NOT mean get all new hardware components. It also refers to re-installing the OS. It is terminology - nothing more...

[ edited for violation of the forum rules - flaming ]

EDIT----

And before anyone decides to chirp up "ahh - you don't know how to fix it"... you wanna try asking others I have helped in the past who now have a totally different gaming experience. The only thing I can't help get around is Netcode bugs - but if peeps are willing to listen and try what I suggest, it gets sorted.

Bollocks to trying to help in future tho.

DigestiveBiscui
10-03-04, 23:28
what i never understood from you or your post was - why do you instist that it HAS to be my end???

Everyone knows that neocron had problems, Jesus, you have been here as long as me - you have seen the amounts of different threads with different problem neocron has produced and this is just another one tossed into the growing pile.

I've been down the RE-install XP road before for something - didn't help it at all, so i really do NOT want to sit there and do it again if there is another way round it - I.E someone somewhere sorting there servers out, or an ISP somewhere sorting my exchange out. Been down the yelling at BT road before - all you get is some stupid little guy who hangs up on you.

i have a dick

i dont want to see your face tbh.......

read the hardware forum yet?

GT_Rince
10-03-04, 23:33
EDIT---

You know what, I can't even be arsed.

Nidhogg
11-03-04, 00:01
Calm this thread down please.

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LiL T
11-03-04, 00:45
I'll say this again.. I said it sooo many times before. blah blah blah

NO everything else on my computer is working fine only neocron has problems. I have reinstall my fukin OS I have reinstalled the game updated my graphics card drivers and all the shit that comes with trying to find the problem. Its not my problem its KK's problem its no bodys fukin problem but KK's . Look at the quote above ^^^ don't give us that shit theres simply too many people with this same problem fine there are a few lucky people who don't crash that often. But that don't mean its our fault and we should try and fix it our end cos if a company is gonna write a program and charge people per fukin month it MUST WORK ON MANY SYSTEMS all with different setup's :mad:

Rob01m
11-03-04, 01:07
GT_Rince, I know you mean well by trying to help others, and you do help some people with their problems... But you simply CANNOT give KK a path out of the line of fire here... It only hurts us all.

This is another topic with the same message... "KK fix (whatever)"

When any poster says "I experience very little/no problems.", normally KK's response is "See, ***very little people*** experience problems, so we'll get to it when we get to it."

The truth is, the people with little to no problems are the minority, and I don't see how anyone can argue this. Face it, many of the people playing this game that have problems (like me) know a lot about computers and how to fix problems. We simply can't fix these problems because they are not on our side.

If you give KK an easy way out, they like anyone else will take it.

If you (minority) do not experience problems, then don't mess up our (majority) plea to the company to fix their product. Companies are fully responsible for what they produce just as consumers are responsible for what they buy. The truth is, we all feel Neocron has a great idea and huge potential. But that's not enough to keep the game going, you need stability as well.

Neocron is great, what's the harm in making it better? Now you may say "I'm not keeping it from becoming better.", but you know what, by giving them a path out of the line of fire, you effectively help them prolong the instability.

Thousands can state there exists a problem, but it only takes one person with very little/no problems for KK to quote as a representative of us all, and that is not right.

Let us express our discontent with instability without deflecting the blame at us so we can make a better argument without people getting angry over the assertions that the problems are squarely ours.

Thank you.

greploco
11-03-04, 01:22
I posted the below in a pm, but thought everyone should see as well

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I have had all sorts of problems - I've had every problem that you have described. notably the having nothing in SLOT 1, having no imps or loot thing. those things have all been transient though. they sort of went on for a while and then stopped eventually. I would say however that in the course of playing this game I've had to reinstall windows twice because the operating system got too messed up. I can't say for sure if that was because of nc, but it does crash a lot.

the time when I contacted helpdesk I was having problems with specific zones - namely plaza 1. it seems like I couldn't travel through it without problems, and reinstalling nc didn't seem to help. as I said before -- they did say something about moving my account to a different disk or something like that. I don't know, but it did seem to help.

also - moving from 98 and XP over to win 2k was a big help for me. XP is supposed to be "newer" technology but it's not as clean. win2k came from windows NT which was built to be crashproof. it was the #1 goal of the os.

the last thing I'm not sure about -- but some poeple may be having heat issues within their case. it seems very unlikely to me but you never know. NC does pushe the cpu more than any other game I know, not the graphics card - but the cpu. And that will generate more heat. I'm skeptical about this, but you never know - could be true

so, that's what I know - good luck

Rob01m
11-03-04, 01:39
Originally posted by greploco
also - moving from 98 and XP over to win 2k was a big help for me. XP is supposed to be "newer" technology but it's not as clean. win2k came from windows NT which was built to be crashproof. it was the #1 goal of the os.

I'm not going to argue over which is more stable between Windows XP and Windows 2000, it really does vary by application. Although I do want to point out that both 2000 and XP are based off of Windows NT. Many things that were added into XP's base functionality kept stability in mind, but you must configure your install to work the way you want it to. Out of the box I'd say Windows 2000 would be better for stability, but after configuration, I'd give XP the edge.


Originally posted by greploco
the last thing I'm not sure about -- but some poeple may be having heat issues within their case. it seems very unlikely to me but you never know. NC does pushe the cpu more than any other game I know, not the graphics card - but the cpu. And that will generate more heat. I'm skeptical about this, but you never know - could be true

Neocron doesn't push your processor more than many other games, what it does is utilize it more than it should, and utilize the GPU less than it should. I'd be skeptical too because my temperature is constantly low and yet I still crash and error constantly. Prime95 reports no instability at 100% CPU utilization after hours of torture. :P

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I also get many more errors on Saturn than on Pluto. However, back when Pluto had about 400+ people on at a time (long ago), the problems were worse. It seems to be related to population, maybe their servers can't handle the amount of people they say they can reliably? Maybe their netcode needs to be improved? Or maybe it's my install of XP that causes hundreds to crash... Damn me, damn me to hell. :P Sorry all!:(

Anyways, something has to be done, and this isn't the type of FIX that should be provided in an EXPANSION. It should be provided in a patch. What if people don't buy B:DoY? Should they have to suffer through the current instability problems? Of course, if they don't have enough people to fix problems and work on an expansion at the same time, then they really should have whomever working on the stability first, lest they want nobody to be around for their expansion.

Xian
11-03-04, 02:54
Yup, I'm getting the same thing biccy; you've heard me complaining about 15 syncs to get into neocron. What's incredibly annoying is when I have a random crash or want to re-log and I have to sit there for about 5 minutes trying to get on.

I recently did do a completely fresh install of Windows XP, and I'm getting the same problems. So, I don't know what will sort it bar a complete hardware change.

However, a friend of mine just started playing. He's been playing for about 2 weeks and hasn't experienced more than around 10 sync errors and 3 fatals. I consider that to be an absolute miracle - as I face 30-40 sync errors or other bugs per day I play. I'm guessing it's just his hardware setup, but should we all have the same just to avoid dodgy netcode?

Haxxor
11-03-04, 03:46
i get same prob too

DigestiveBiscui
11-03-04, 11:07
What server do you play on Haxxor?

XP works fine for me, never crashes and its been on there for a while now - the only time its ever crashed was when i tried to install a virus scanner while having a virus scanner already on there - blue screen :p

GT_Rince
11-03-04, 11:45
OK - for the optically challeneged who don't read all my posts...

I also said that I can do NOTHING about bad Netcode - what I can do is help with things at the client side which make a HUGE difference. If people are willing to listen and try these things, you will notice a huge reduction in FRE's, lag and crashes. I hardly ever get FRE's and rarely crash. Lag is something I also don't suffer with, unless it is the server that is lagging - I can do nothing about that. My average ping is anything from 45-65 from the UK. Peeps I have helped in the US who used to get 300ish, went down to about 160. All through some simple changes.

And no, it ISN'T a way out for KK - They can do nothing about client side problems. There are services that can be stopped, graphics card tweeks, internet connection changes and a handful of other things to try.

But, seeing as I get flamed for trying to help, I refer back to an earlier post...

"Bollocks to helping any more."

Oh, and I have also had PM's asking for help with some of these things - please don't bother. It will just get ignored!

DigestiveBiscui
11-03-04, 11:51
My system works fine how i like it right now... i'm not going to change a few things on my OS so neocron can run HOW IT WAS MEANT TO RUN

If nothing is done then nothing is done, the game still fucks up, every few months the servers go nuts and DB packs in - i will just move on to another game. I have been playing since UK retail - and the frustration is growing

Ever since i started playing i always thought 'KK are making it better' - but looking at it, it taken then a year to do what??? make the game FER a little less..and thats all

new features are all well and good - but why have new features when the game is still so bugged that you can't use them...

waiting for UT2004 and farcry tbh

GT_Rince
11-03-04, 12:01
Originally posted by DigestiveBiscui
My system works fine how i like it right now... i'm not going to change a few things on my OS so neocron can run HOW IT WAS MEANT TO RUN


You think that after a re-install, that your system runs fine? Do you know that after re-installing, there are more than 40 registry entries which are not needed? How about specific drivers for monitors? What about Net tweeks to cut down on packet loss? How about Rivatuner and the other apps that allow that bit of extra control over your graphics card. What about the 17 services that ARE NOT NEEDED and take up more than 40Mb of memory and again, are always running and taking up more CPU power. I assume you will also run Spybot S&D and remove all that crap you don't even know about.

Those are a few examples. I have been doing this shit too long now and after a bit of tweeking, I get performance better than that of a system with a much better CPU and graphics card. My system isn't the dogs bollocks... It is a P4 1.8 - 512Mb RAM and a crappy entry level 64Mb graphics card. Yet in the wastes, I can get more than 40 FPS - OP fights average about 20-24 FPS in 3rd person - around 60 running round NC. I won't even get started on how other applications run...

DigestiveBiscui
11-03-04, 12:06
yea - i know about the services etc

but they dont bother me

the fact that Neocron is syncing is annoying me - thats all. The games i play on my computer not including neocron run well, they run how i want, and im not in the mood to go through registry entries just to stop me from syncing

if you have to do that to get neocron working well - then dont you think there might be something wrong with the damn game?

You must know about computers or you cant play a simple MMORPG? bollocks to that

i dont use spybot either - hated it, let it pass

numb
11-03-04, 12:14
Were you on the same ISP with ISDN as you were with ADSL? If you have an older modem (it might be onboard - ie a 56k one) - sign up for a freeserve account or something like that and try via that.

The neocron client does require a port open to receive a connection from the server (so therefore it runs as a server also) - which is what makes the network code so different to any other mmorpg and most other online games (besides say directplay games - where you know that you are the host anyway). [some isps do not want or let their customers run any servers on their connections...]

I still believe this problem is based on your internet connection. I'm pretty sure if you plugged your modem (or whatever you get with adsl) into another machine that runs neocron perfectly elsewhere, it will start falling over.

I dont believe a windows reinstall will help you either (believe me I tried that a few times when I had your problems).

Ryuben
11-03-04, 12:17
saturn + fix = oxymoron

GT_Rince
11-03-04, 12:17
Originally posted by DigestiveBiscui
yea - i know about the services etc

but they dont bother me

the fact that Neocron is syncing is annoying me - thats all. The games i play on my computer not including neocron run well, they run how i want, and im not in the mood to go through registry entries just to stop me from syncing

if you have to do that to get neocron working well - then dont you think there might be something wrong with the damn game?

You must know about computers or you cant play a simple MMORPG? bollocks to that

i dont use spybot either - hated it, let it pass

It isn't just for NC - wouldn't you like your system to perform better?

This isn't just help for NC - it helps your system in general. If you don't want to do some very basic things, then that is your bag. If you don't mind peeps spying on what you are doing on the web, then all I can say is, you are a more trusting fool than I have ever comes across - lol

And loads of peeps know about basic PC setup these days - if they don't they ask for help and get it. If all you want to go it bitch and whine, even when help is offered to you, then how about stopping the crying on the forums? Also, KK will be fixing Netcode stability when DoY comes out, so in the meantime, you are serving to do nothing more than letting off steam on the forums, but NOTHING is going to get done about it yet! Of course, you already knew this though... :rolleyes:

Do you run a firewall of any kind? How about Anti Virus software? While you are playing NC, you don't need to be downloading E-Mail, so start with stopping any AV software and services until you need to get your e-mail down again ? All very basic changes that take a few minutes, yet can change the way the game runs.

P4mp3rk3
11-03-04, 12:18
I only FRE after long sessions of NC, mostly when it's really warm in the room and the computer has gotten pretty hot from playing for 4-5 houres straight....

the login bug only happens once a week to me, but it's still annoying

DigestiveBiscui
11-03-04, 12:42
Originally posted by numb
Were you on the same ISP with ISDN as you were with ADSL? If you have an older modem (it might be onboard - ie a 56k one) - sign up for a freeserve account or something like that and try via that.

The neocron client does require a port open to receive a connection from the server (so therefore it runs as a server also) - which is what makes the network code so different to any other mmorpg and most other online games (besides say directplay games - where you know that you are the host anyway). [some isps do not want or let their customers run any servers on their connections...]

I still believe this problem is based on your internet connection. I'm pretty sure if you plugged your modem (or whatever you get with adsl) into another machine that runs neocron perfectly elsewhere, it will start falling over.

I dont believe a windows reinstall will help you either (believe me I tried that a few times when I had your problems).

the ISP i had for ISDN was freeserve - ADSL is BT yahoo BOTH had problems

as for the modem - i have used a different one for ADSL and ISDN - both had problems

i had a new line for ADSL - had problems before - have problems on new line as well

yibble
11-03-04, 12:49
[Edited by yibble for breaking forum rules]

DigestiveBiscui
11-03-04, 23:15
seems to be a LOT worse when the servers get more popular

I was online when the patch was out - connected when only 38 people were on saturn and i was getting on every time. As the day progressed and the number started rising to about 250 i got my syncs again :(

johngreen2000
12-03-04, 16:11
Sorry not to bring up a dieing thread but heres more proof that there are many people having problems not the minority like some would like to believe.

http://forum.neocron.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93672

DigestiveBiscui
12-03-04, 19:07
thats the thing that gets me though

i rarely fatal compared to what used to happen - its just getting stuck in sync

Scikar
12-03-04, 19:48
@Saturn lag posts: It's clearly got little to do with netcode since the other servers are all running the same program. It's more than likely a problem with the hardware side - and KK don't own or run the servers directly as I understand. There was a post by Odin I think somewhere that they are considering moving to an alternative provider in the near future.

Kenjuten
12-03-04, 19:57
Yeah, currently a chunk of the servers are in the hands of Level3, aren't they?

GT_Rince
12-03-04, 20:35
Originally posted by Scikar
@Saturn lag posts: It's clearly got little to do with netcode since the other servers are all running the same program.


I get mad lag on Saturn, but next to none on Pluto. I did read a quote some time back saying that this was probably due to it being a 4 char server, and the database having to hand 4 times as much information - the equivalent of over 1000 peeps on a single slot server.

How true that is, I am unsure. I can see how it could occur though.

Scikar
12-03-04, 20:43
Originally posted by GT_Rince
I get mad lag on Saturn, but next to none on Pluto. I did read a quote some time back saying that this was probably due to it being a 4 char server, and the database having to hand 4 times as much information - the equivalent of over 1000 peeps on a single slot server.

How true that is, I am unsure. I can see how it could occur though.


If that was the case then Uranus would lag very badly too, don't you think? Even if there are less people on there than Saturn, multiply it by 4 and you'll get considerably more requests than Pluto.

Besides those 4 character slots aren't requiring much more information to be transferred. You can only have one character online per account, so the only time they might affect it is at the login. It wouldn't affect anything else much more than Pluto, since there are still a lot more characters on Pluto than there are players.

Scikar
12-03-04, 20:43
Originally posted by GT_Rince
I get mad lag on Saturn, but next to none on Pluto. I did read a quote some time back saying that this was probably due to it being a 4 char server, and the database having to hand 4 times as much information - the equivalent of over 1000 peeps on a single slot server.

How true that is, I am unsure. I can see how it could occur though.


If that was the case then Uranus would lag very badly too, don't you think? Even if there are less people on there than Saturn, multiply it by 4 and you'll get considerably more requests than Pluto.

Besides those 4 character slots aren't requiring much more information to be transferred. You can only have one character online per account, so the only time they might affect it is at the login. It wouldn't affect anything else much more than Pluto, since there are still a lot more characters on Pluto than there are players.

Kenjuten
12-03-04, 21:13
*throws a nuclear winter snowball @ Scikar*

Nix teh double pozt0r pzl.

/spam