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Heavy Tanks are already nerf in speed for thier PA.......why are melee not nerfed on the PA.......even if HEAVYWEAPONS didnt have the nerf.....we would still be more slow than a melee tank and plus we have to aim......get rid of the WEAPON speed nerf....
Psyco Groupie
09-03-04, 17:17
this was covered yesterday, prolly isnt even off first page ... :rolleyes:
uh reduce it a bit but not fully..and change hc pa to make a malus to mc instead of ath
onoz heavys nerfed i know lets nerf melee as well
GG no RE nib
im not really talking about the PA.......the nerf,when you pull your weapon out and you cant walk as fast...
I say no.
The nerf allowed my lowbie PE to live when chased by a CS weilding dude. Tons of fun.
ResurgencE
09-03-04, 17:37
Many games reflect realism in terms of how a weapon would effect your aim with its recoil, or your speed with its weight. Thats not the issue.
Remove the -atl from the HC PA to compensate for the runspeed malus to running with weapon drawn. Do NOT nerf the melee tanks by adding the -atl to their armour as well. Just because we have it bad doesnt mean they should too. And they need that speed to close up the gap on enemies.
Yeah PE's would say that.....they know they would die.....
Originally posted by rhPhMe
Yeah PE's would say that.....they know they would die..... so therefore in the interest of balance it should remain
ResurgencE
09-03-04, 17:41
Originally posted by rhPhMe
Yeah PE's would say that.....they know they would die.....
And thats precisely what we dont want. PEs should have a fighting chance.
Na....thier should be a nerf.....just not as bad....something small....but not as bad as it is right now
Originally posted by rhPhMe
Na....thier should be a nerf.....just not as bad....something small....but not as bad as it is right now
Its not bad right now, tanks are still the say all be all of PvP - If the nerf was so bad, they wouldn't be.
your wrong as far as i can tell.....i was using REDFLASH AND BEAST drugs and i still couldnt keep up with someone.....but i dunno
Originally posted by rhPhMe
your wrong as far as i can tell.....i was using REDFLASH AND BEAST drugs and i still couldnt keep up with someone.....but i dunno
then your con/dex setup .... err..... isnt perfect.
Victor Crowe
09-03-04, 17:56
Remove the speed malus from PA, but leave the speed reduction by cannons.
lol..im only at like 60 con.....its not messed up....its just not leveled
Stupid question. Definetly NO.
Gulinborsti
09-03-04, 18:48
Convert the ATL malus for the H-C PA into M-C malus and leave the speed reduction whit wielded heavy weapon.
Or change the H-C malus on the M-C PA to ATL malus too.
But make it consistent to stop the whining ... :D
Originally posted by rhPhMe
lol..im only at like 60 con.....its not messed up....its just not leveled
You can't be uber until your leveled.
hmm monks cry for AGL and tanks + others say you got dex overspecc it....
Well we got 35 DEX which we cant really exp up its a pain in the ass.... and switch it for the tank well you got 100 con and 70 dex get real if someone could not over specc it!!!! Its a fucking tank.
Then they would be even faster then a APU..
The PE and TANK would be the fastest char spy would stealth and the monk would die like crap because ther defence is only speed which got nerfed... -20 AGL is alot and yes APUs really need to get the PA3 to get some sort of nice % on thier spells...
So keep it as it is
STOP WHINE!!! :rolleyes:
dr0m..
well.. I would have if the thread maker hadnīt left it out..
I have gotten used to the speed nerf with gun out now..
so I dun really care anymore..
yes it was bloody annoying.. but.. well..
now I donīt really mind.
Originally posted by .Cyl0n
uh reduce it a bit but not fully..and change hc pa to make a malus to mc instead of ath
My stance on it.
damnit as a PE some tanks are just too good to kill un-nerf Heavy combat and all tanks would be too good. The ones that are allready good will be godlike then you would see even more people making tanks inclueding me. So I could run around at decent speed with a CS mowing down everyone
NO!
The one thing i cant understand is, heavy combat is pretty much exactly like melee combat. with the exception of a few weapon and the AOE weapons, a tanks best weapons are better to fight with at close range than mid range. When I say close range i mean REALLY close range.
You gotta be close to hit good with a cursed soul, devourer, speed gatling cannon.
the only real thing that sets heavy combat from melee combat is
a) the AOE weapons
b) the mid range heavy weapons.
in outpost wars, what are tanks usually doing? fighting up close or AOEing far away.
u all relized if kk just listen tome and just remove the neg ath from pa and not add duruim boots will wouldnt be here whining.
its the fact it looks butt ugly. on ur stats. now if thay were to remove it it would boost the tank so much. because pa now is the strongest armor for tanks at the moment. and really after i bitched about it being removed i would say dont remove -ath now. be cause we got unnerfed with the boots. u actually only loose 5 stats from the duruim vest 4.
if i would to lose my pa i would hav over 100 ath.
and all my resis has never been changed and i hav mild posion resis.
melee tanks need the speed more then h-c
but to kk thay always make things harder then it should be. removing -ath from pa and not adding boots would hav kept all of us shutup about the pa for tanks..
only thay listened to me :angel:
Originally posted by t0tt3
hmm monks cry for AGL and tanks + others say you got dex overspecc it....
Well we got 35 DEX which we cant really exp up its a pain in the ass.... and switch it for the tank well you got 100 con and 70 dex get real if someone could not over specc it!!!! Its a fucking tank.
Then they would be even faster then a APU..
The PE and TANK would be the fastest char spy would stealth and the monk would die like crap because ther defence is only speed which got nerfed... -20 AGL is alot and yes APUs really need to get the PA3 to get some sort of nice % on thier spells...
So keep it as it is
STOP WHINE!!! :rolleyes:
well their was a cheap trick. that make monks uber fast.
first if u ever made a monk with 0 ath and nothin but agility. u relized u were still running at uber speed. but kk relized this which i was surprized because its something i never relized thay would figure out like so many others. i was haha all night because everyone spec ath and complain when i hav loads of agility and running like hell. i still got a hybrid with capped HL and shelter. will am 46% alway from cap HL
but i wont tell anyone :) because its far more stronger then a regular apu o and my rof is capped :)
so when thay switched the -ath to agility thay finally slowed me down and who is goint o waste so much con stats for ath then getting good resis.
I think both should be added a -melee on the hc pa aswell as the -ath and a lesser -ath on melee pa
Remove the nerf? REMOVE THE NERF?!? Are you friggin insane? Tanks are so ridiculously far from the nerf category thats its absurd.
Here is nerf.<------------------------------------------------------->Here is tank.
If anything I say give tank PA negative AGL instead of Con, but I swear, tanks are MORE than fine. The recent series of tank boosts both to heavy and melee have made them more that viable, they are again the favored class.
Originally posted by Jest
Here is nerf.<------------------------------------------------------->Here is tank.
LMAO nuff said
Originally posted by Jest
Remove the nerf? REMOVE THE NERF?!? Are you friggin insane? Tanks are so ridiculously far from the nerf category thats its absurd.
Here is nerf.<------------------------------------------------------->Here is tank.
If anything I say give tank PA negative AGL instead of Con, but I swear, tanks are MORE than fine. The recent series of tank boosts both to heavy and melee have made them more that viable, they are again the favored class.
well doing that for more con or agility may as well go bak to the old ways. like i said its the boots that are the +ath tanks needed.
which i can live with the h-c because its not bad i can live with
but if thay decrease the speed of tanks for wut ur saying i would just switch bak to duruim vest 4 and will go on agin about removing the speed nerf from pa's
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