PE toy thread.

[Judge]

Well, loads of people have proposed the idea of making stealth spy only but giving PEs a "PE Only" toy of their own.

The Poll is about the basic principle: Should stealth be Spy only and Should PEs get a new toy?

I would also like for people to brainstorm what the new toy could be, there have been loads of ideas, ranging from Jetpacks to driving Vehicles without skills. Post your own.

My idea for a PE only toy: An Arm implant which allows you to dual wield non-HC weapons, with obvious disadvantages and advantages. Obviously it would need to be balanced but its just a basic idea.

So vote and brainstorm away.

[Dribble Joy]

Personnally I want dual-weilding (of pistols) as a high level WoC skill. Something for riflers though.

For a toy, I want a flightsuit. An item in a QB, when activated effectiely turns you into a drone, you can fly about and go up and down and shit :p.

btw I voted spy only, toy for PE.

[Dissenter]

Sex to that!


Then I could do this for real, and not just in a old sig :-

:p

http://www.digikitten.com/playhousev2/files/Dissenter/DissNewBanner1.jpg

But I suppose that could be a teenie bit OTT.

[Shadow Dancer]

I vote no to duel wielding. I think pes should get stealth, but it should be unusable for X amount of time after having a weapon out.


Um, and yea I think pes should get something of their own. But it should be something ALLLLLLLLLLLLL pes can use and take advantage of.

[Kal]

dont make stealth spy only, just take away stealth 1

and PEs should get jump boots that make em jump really high (double/triple normal height and have a 20 sec recharge time?) with not too much stamina loss or something

[Bl@zed]

im totally down with dual weilding pistols, i mean seriously, what kind of specialist only uses ONE uzi :p

[Marx]

Originally posted by Bl@zed
i mean seriously, what kind of specialist only uses ONE uzi :p

All of them?

o_O

http://dirtynuke.net/sa-sarp-uzi.jpg

[Dribble Joy]

Originally posted by Bl@zed
im totally down with dual weilding pistols, i mean seriously, what kind of specialist only uses ONE uzi :p

Using two guns is beyond n00bish IRL.

[Bl@zed]

Originally posted by Dribble Joy
Using two guns is beyond n00bish IRL.

come to think of it, using two uzi's yes...dual 9mm baretta's...no.

[Sleawer]

Max Payne fortehwin :p

[Prodigious]

counter-strike has dual wielded berettas, it must be real o_O

[Marx]

Originally posted by Bl@zed
come to think of it, using two uzi's yes...dual 9mm baretta's...no.

Possible and viable for Christian Bale...

http://dirtynuke.net/3.JPG

http://dirtynuke.net/4.JPG

Possible but not viable for the rest of us real world people.

[J. Folsom]

Originally posted by Prodigious
counter-strike has dual wielded berettas, it must be real o_O Yeah, just like bunny hopping, you get training for that in the military ALL the time. :p

EDIT: And in reality, you also don't get kicked from the battle with accusations of cheating. ;)

[Sleawer]

I think we have a miss-definition between PEs and Spies.

We tend to think that spies are the ones who should have loads of gadgets and tools, while in fact the PE fits much better in this definition, or should.

Spies should be a class specialized in dexterity and intelligence weapons and abilities. I think on spies as those specialist assasins that use poisons, traps, snipe at insane ranges, slip on your back with stealth and proceed to kill with high TL/damage pistols, plant bugs to track you, hack terminals, become scientists, etc..

Of course more intelligence weapons should be avaible, like poisons, special traps, etc...

PEs on the other side should be those guys that do the most unbelievable things, having not only a bit of every class but also putting their skills on the edge.

Like some people said... any class can use a pistol but the PE goes to the edge and uses two pistols at same; or the weird mofo that is being sniped and instead running to take cover, uses a jetpack to fly up to the hill and fight the sniper... that's the PE :p

A bit like a man able to do it all but in a weird way, on his own way. A char able to transform the avaible abilities of the other classes into his own weird skills... and also doing things that only a crazy mofo would do, like using jetpacks, a mini-flamer in the hand, drive like a madman... kinda like that Jango Fett bountyhunter dude in StarWars.

Atm the PE has to specialize in one thing like everyone else but in a lesser scale, which is sad.

I think the PE is the mini-spy, not inverse as some of us thought.

//edit: so my add to PE toys... I agree with jetpacks and dual-wield like some already said... and also will say being able to drive 20% faster than any other class.

[Shadow Dancer]

Duel wield is just another excuse for a damage boost.


Also, I think PE and SPY classes should be renamed. Their very misleading IMO.

[Possessed]

Originally posted by Shadow Dancer
Duel wield is just another excuse for a damage boost.


Also, I think PE and SPY classes should be renamed. They're very misleading IMO.

Dual wield wouldn't be a huge dmg boost, as it would (hopefully) implemented so that the reticule closes slower and more hits in a burst miss, it will just add some variation to the class, and make them look a whole much cooler.

But if dual wield for pistols is put in, us rifler have to get something too :)

[Sleawer]

Not necessary, there are ways to balance it. As could be a significant loss of accuracy.

/edit: damn possesed you beat me to it :p

[Shadow Dancer]

Originally posted by Sleawer
Not necessary, there are ways to balance it. As could be a significant loss of accuracy.

/edit: damn possesed you beat me to it :p


Well if it's a trade off, then it's not really a boost. More like just a different type of PE. That's like saying trike is a PE boost. heheh



Like I said, they should get something all pes can use.

[ghandisfury]

Originally posted by Shadow Dancer
Like I said, they should get something all pes can use.

Like a tool to remove dead people from battle?:cool:

[Sleawer]

Well the other things are usable by all PEs. And as you said, this is not a excuse to give PEs a boost but to give nice toys to the class.

I got another: Rifle PEs can right-click on the rifle and set it as "guerrilla mode", that would place the rifle at their hip while firing (accuracy loss) but would grant double rate of fire.

Just like dual-wield for pistols :D

[Possessed]

Originally posted by Sleawer

I got another: Rifle PEs can right-click on the rifle and set it as "guerrilla mode", that would place the rifle at their hip while firing (accuracy loss) but would grant double rate of fire.



Hightech rifles are already fired from the hip :D

[Shadow Dancer]

How about giving pistols and rifles the ability to perform critical hits?

[Judge]

So people are liking the idea of Jetpacks and Dual Wielding hmmm. :)

I'm just wondering how Jetpacks would be set up to avoid them being rather overpowering.... Maybe some time where it needs to refuel itself after being used.... something like that.

Oh, and the toy shouldn't have to use TC because us lowtechs need some lovin too. :(

[Shadow Dancer]

Originally posted by Judge
So people are liking the idea of Jetpacks and Dual Wielding hmmm. :)

I'm just wondering how Jetpacks would be set up to avoid them being rather overpowering.... Maybe some time where it needs to refuel itself after being used.... something like that.

Oh, and the toy shouldn't have to use TC because us lowtechs need some lovin too. :(

Yea i like the jetpack idea. Hrmmm, it could just simply require fuel. And a charge up time to fly, so you can't just insta-fly away in the middle of pvp.



Damn, the more I think about it the more I like it. Maybe the ability to shoot while flying, but if you shoot while flying the reticle goes crazy. Imagine flying mobs that only pes can kill.


omg


*gets crazy ideas*

[Possessed]

Originally posted by Shadow Dancer
How about giving pistols and rifles the ability to perform critical hits?

That would be a good PE specific WoC skill, would be cool.

On jetpacks... yes please. A two minute timer between flights which should last like 30-45 seconds with a 10 sec charge up time would be sweet (as long as its lowtech), haha, imagine groups of PEs flying above op wars to destroy the bomber thats causing havoc on the ground.

Or a group of PEs flying over a mountain and the op wall to take the enemy from behind ( ^^) weeeeee

[Dribble Joy]

When I was thinking about dual wielding, I was think of it as not only a WoC skill, but a HIGH LEVEL WoC skill.

As per the Plan File, WoC skills are there to allow players acces to more powerfull skills and weapons. Dueal-weilding was meant to be one of (perhaps) Pistol PEs answer to that.

[Shadow Dancer]

Originally posted by Possessed
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On jetpacks... yes please. A two minute timer between flights which should last like 30-45 seconds with a 10 sec charge up time would be sweet (as long as its lowtech), haha, imagine groups of PEs flying above op wars to destroy the bomber thats causing havoc on the ground.

Or a group of PEs flying over a mountain and the op wall to take the enemy from behind ( ^^) weeeeee


I think the flight should last as long as you have fuel. 10 sec charge up sounds good. Oh man, that would kick so much ass.


And give ppus the ability to cast a spell to disable jetpacks. Yea that kicks ass.




























































gotcha

:lol:

[Dribble Joy]

How would it work? Like a drone? A hover tech?

Or perhaps simply jump - go up, crouch - go down?

[Lifewaster]

Give PE's the anti-stealth tools. Real ones, not just crap like truesight sanctum.

[Shadow Dancer]

Originally posted by Dribble Joy
How would it work? Like a drone? A hover tech?

Or perhaps simply jump - go up, crouch - go down?

Yea. Jump button would hover up, crouch would hover down. And the movement keys would stay the same.




Maybe different mods for the jetpacks too. Like a mod that makes it consume less fuel. Or a mod that increases the speed greatly.

[Judge]

Whoa.... these are some sweet ass ideas. :D

So have slotted Jetpacks? That would be good, because then there would be a risk of dropping a relatively valuble item in a non-warzone. Which is a downside to having the rather cool ability to fly. :D

[Sleawer]

Originally posted by Possessed

Hightech rifles are already fired from the hip :D

Then t-c rifles would be fired from the b***s :p :p
I'm sure you get the point hehe

Undecided about critical hits, sounds good tho.
And damn SD almost jumped at you for the ppu thing :lol:

[Glok]

/me giggles...

How about special boots that give the PE the ability to run insanely fast, ala Super Mario, but only in a straight line. :D

[giga191]

hmm do u honestly think they would implement the jetpack?:rolleyes:

[Possessed]

Originally posted by giga191
hmm do u honestly think they would implement the jetpack?:rolleyes:

They implemented gliders; and apart from the invisible constructs in the air they work almost perfectly.

[Shadow Dancer]

Originally posted by giga191
hmm do u honestly think they would implement the jetpack?:rolleyes:



yup I do.


Stealth sounded like something cool that they wouldn't implement back before it hit test.

[Clive tombstone]

Im Thinking about starting an Airforce Clan when they go Retail on Urinus Server, Anyone wanna Join?:D

[Chris Redfield]

Yes why not to withdraw the "Stealth" at the PE but in this case as say previously it is necessary a compensation after having read your posts I think of this:

- a duel of gun: way doubles beretta (kikoo Marx)

- a riffle with a lance-grenade

One improves the dégats of the PE in their offering more variety and a reason to preserve their TC.

[Clive tombstone]

Sorry for -Partial- double post. But Im ALL for jetpacks, being a rifle PE though... DW'ing pain easers would be friggin awsome, ever seen scar face befor?:D

[Judge]

Originally posted by giga191
hmm do u honestly think they would implement the jetpack?:rolleyes:

Probably not, as it would involve making a new model (the jetpack :p) which KK seem to not want to do atm. I suppose that their modeller is taken up with DoY work?

As a final note.... Jetpacks rule. :D

[Ozambabbaz]

Jetpacks with a cheesehelmet. i'm already wearing the cheesehelmet.

[Jest]

Holy Biased Poll Batman. Haha, well any way the one I wanted was on there. I voted Spy Only, new toy for PE.

Toys? Well tbh I'm half expecting dual-wielding to coem with BDoY but maybe Im just fooling myself. "WoC skills will give you access to a diversity of powerful items like weapons and tools." There could be a single weapon that just is one item but is made of two guns. (Each has the same stats, %, ammo, etc...) Would be cool.

Jetpacks? Sounds good but even if you wanted to use one it'd probably be made so you have to gimp yourself to use it. Dont think it could be abused if restrictions wer eput on it. For example, not being able to shoot while using it. ;)

Id like to see Dex based melee weapons, ones that still use Melee combat but the reqs are dex and not str.

Id like to see special vision helmets for PEs only. Infared enabled, night vision enabled. With infared I could not only see stealthed spies, but I could also see how many people are in a building if I was outside of it.

Id like to see special implants designed to make an APU PE feasible. :)

I want Power Armor designed for a Melee/Heavy/APU setups for the Private Eye.

[Judge]

Yeah, sorry about the Poll I did actully want to have more options like:

Not Spy only. Toy for PE.
Not Spy only. No toy for PE.

But I err.... pressed enter by accident before I had put them in. :(

Its not biased as such, I mean I didn't put:

Spy only. Toy for PE. (I am an uber person who is also rather attractive)
Spy only. No toy for PE. (I'm a stupid whining bastard who hates PEs)

So it could have been worse. :p


Originally posted by Jest
Id like to see Dex based melee weapons, ones that still use Melee combat but the reqs are dex and not str.

Id like to see special vision helmets for PEs only. Infared enabled, night vision enabled. With infared I could not only see stealthed spies, but I could also see how many people are in a building if I was outside of it.

Those would be cool. :D



Originally posted by Jest
Id like to see special implants designed to make an APU PE feasible. :)

I want Power Armor designed for a Melee/Heavy/APU setups for the Private Eye.

Hmmm.... Yeah that would also be pretty sweet. Though i have no idea how you would make the APU PE viable?

[Cruzbroker]

I think I missed the way it is now.

[Dribble Joy]

NINJAS!!!

Dex based melee weapons :D.

[sanityislost]

Apu's should get a pimp hat and a t-shirt saying I R PIMP.

*nods*

[Jest]

Originally posted by sanityislost
Apu's should get a pimp hat and a t-shirt saying I R PIMP.

*nods* Hmmm no I think PEs should get those too, not APUs. :p

PEs should also get a sexier, more suave sex emote because they are sexy bitches. Maybe throw in an additional pelvic thrust or make good use of one of their hands to cop a feel or get a little spanking in. Oh yes, I think we can all agree thats a worthwhile supplement to losing stealth.

[Duder]

Let me guess, the jetpacks needs T-C!!! BECAUSE JETPACKS ARE MADE OF TECH PARTS AND BUTTONS !!!!!!



Also if someone gets the great idea of having the Jetpack get glued together with the PE PA i would really want to congratulate the person in a special way and if implemented by KK i would just cancel my account for such an awesome idea! :) :) :) :) :)


Also i want the fucking Jetpack in colours or ill be MAD!!!


I could see alot of advantages with using a jetpack.....and i want the jetpack to move faster then a dog on ice.

[Sleawer]

I think the Jetpack should be inherent to the PE PA.

*goes to hide and laugh*

Actually that's an awesome idea idea Duder, 5 stars :lol:

[Shadow Dancer]

Actually duder a dog on ice is pretty slow.

[Dribble Joy]

Remove PEPA dex bonus (should be done anyway) and add jetpack to it :).

[Estabin]

Hehe I actually think the Spies are supposed to be the techies of the game and get all the cool gadgets and what not but you guys got some good ideas, how about this..

An underslung grenade launcher you can apply to the assault rifle that is PE only like the M203... even use the same rounds that the M203 uses like

HE grenade
Shotgun rounds
Smoke
CS gas
Phospher

well I guess that would only help rifle PEs... ahhh well..

[Rai Wong]

JETPACKS all the way!!! PEs should be the only class that can fly...., because they have equal mastery in strength, intellegence and dex to use one of those things, whereas a tank would be too dumb to use them, and spies cannot take the pressure

[Possessed]

Originally posted by Dribble Joy
Remove PEPA dex bonus (should be done anyway) and add jetpack to it :).

ARGH no way, why should we get a toy that we can only use with particular setups; what about us PEs that don't use PE PA? wouldn't be fair tbh.

And if this was said in jest in response to duder then meh.

<3 Duder

[Dissenter]

Originally posted by Estabin
Hehe I actually think the Spies are supposed to be the techies of the game and get all the cool gadgets and what not but you guys got some good ideas, how about this..

An underslung grenade launcher you can apply to the assault rifle that is PE only like the M203... even use the same rounds that the M203 uses like

HE grenade
Shotgun rounds
Smoke
CS gas
Phospher

well I guess that would only help rifle PEs... ahhh well..

SWEET Idea, Then we will have some AoE atleast.

[Judge]

Riflers are never going to get AoE.... It was stated in some other thread somewhere.... You get snipers and we get Rocket Pistols. Count yourself lucky. :rolleyes:

[Dissenter]

no snipey for low tech :(

[retr0n]

About dual wielding i think that would be awesome, they could
just reduce the damage by like 35% on each weapon (35% and
not 50% since you would miss more with 2 libbys then with 1)

a jetpack would be awesome, but ffs make it lowtech.
maybe they could make it so that the jetpack has its own kind of
weapon fired from the shoulders so to say or something. omg
combat jetpacks!! :p

AND PLEASE KK!!! US LOWTECH USERS NEED A FEW MORE TOYS!!
I mean pistoleros have wyatt earp (<3) and libby and that's it!!
sure we have the gatlin pistol but how viable is that in combat, or
the super-deluxe rocket pistol... none of those are exactly of any
use in combat. Sorry for going OT.

[Artie]

lol.


ok ok ok.


Remember, let's make it still possible for spy's to use things, but
gimp themselves a bit to use the pe toys (like a rocketpack, they
need 55 str or something like that)


Dual libbys would be cool, but i shouldn't say anything, as i'm
already highly biased torwards PE's (libbys in particular :D)....the
only prob is seeing them trying to balance them. Urghhhh.



Ok.

I have a novel idea. People will hate this but i'll say it anyways
dammit.


Imagine this tool (strictly pe only, no spy's, no nothing but pe's)
that a pe would have to gimp themselves slightly to use.
with it, you could grab someone, and literally drag the corpse to
a gr, and then if you made it to the gr, they would be ressed
essentially like a res spell. It would cost 4k (like they had to
appear there) but they wouldn't get any synap, and would still
leave ppu's viable (i.e. pe would need a gr...if there were no gr's
in the zone, they wouldn't be able to res the body) It'd lead a
odd tactic....as you could kill someone at the op battle, and
instead of letting them stay there to be rezzed later, you could
grab em, stealth, and drag em' far away, then drop em so the
monks would have to look for em' to get them back into the
battle. It would effectively give pe's a use in op wars, (albeit a
slight one) and it would lead to some interesting stuff. Combine
that with a rocketpack idea....and i could just see myself now grabbing
dead enemies and tossing them down onto cliffs and
whatnot...forcing them to gr and never get rezzed.....beautiful no?

QUICK EDIT: Lil' idea too, pe's wouldn't be able to fire while holding
a body, and runspeed slightly gimped. It'd be hard to implement,
but man, op wars would be fucking badass!!!!

[Crackitakk]

for duel weild why not just have 2 reticles rite next to eachother so u can only hit someone with both guns at once when ur really close....and have both do the zoom in slower

[Q`alooaith]

Or here's a nice idea..

When you've got two weapon's out, you need PC above the req's for both of them combined..

So if both needed 50 PC each, you'd need 100 to use both... or let you use them, but have them "cap" as if you needed 100 PC, so you'd get less damage % on them..

[Sleawer]

So what do we have so far...

- Dual Wield (pistols): x2 RoF and reduced aiming
- Jetpack: allows short flying but uses fuel
- Jump boots: x2/x3 jumping height with 20 secs recharge
- Drive 20% faster than other classes
- Guerrilla wield (rifles): x2 RoF and reduced aiming
- Chance of critical hit
- Speed boots: x2 run-speed only in straight line
- Rifle with grenade-launcher - smoke - CS gas - phosphor
- Dex based melee weapons
- Infrared and Night vision helmet
- Power Armors designed for MC/HC/APU/PPU PEs
- More suave /sex emote (lol Jest)
- Jetpack in PE PA (cheers Duder ;))
- Drag body to GR

Maybe someone could do a poll with all these things :p
Not bad ideas... some are rather weird but oh well, that was the idea.

[Dribble Joy]

Oooohhh!!!!

A back bone imp that gives you wings !!!!!

I wanna be an angel :angel:

[Crackitakk]

howbout instead of running boots, theres a body armor called a motoric suit that gives +agil with an extreemely powerful boost, but it takes away from defenses...and makes u jump high if u want

[Clive tombstone]

Im all for the jet packs, I mean, yah, I WOULD give up Stealth permanently for Jetpacks ANYDAY. heh, Sure there almost useless indoor (HAHA youll Never Catch Me! Jet pack turned on, HAHA-THUD as Clives head is stuck in the ceiling :D )

The Driving boost would be nice, seeing how PE's have the starting class "Test Driver"

Unlike other classes:D . All the other ideas are sweet too, especially the dual weilding of Pistols, but Id still like my dual PE's sorta like this Mouse action figuer from the Matrix :D http://www.matrixunloaded.com/images/toys/6s3/mouse_lse.jpg

I dont actually own this, and I heard these were never put into full production, ANYWAYS, I want my Dual Gatling Guns and jet packs :p

[Dribble Joy]

Twin spitfires :p

[Judge]

Oh man, twin spitfires would be sweet as. Those guns are already pretty powerful tbh, and I think they are getting a TL boost in the new weapon lineup right? :D

Duel wielding or Jetpacks.... hard call. :D

Btw Shad, Duel wielding wouldn't just be a damage boost.... it would be a damage boost, BUT at a loss of aiming, and tbh... Libby/Wyatt aiming is so shit it would need the damage boost with reduced aiming. Additionally it should need a headslot or something. So whilst duel wielding is more offensive than single wield you will have less defence because you can't have your proto or move-on chip in:

"Dual Processing CPU

Reqs:

Dex: 60 PC/RC: 100

Allows Dual Wielding Pistols or Rifles"

Something like that, which would mean that there would be two completely different styles of fighting.... PEs who want less defence but more offence go for the Dual Wield, but PEs who want to keep their uber defence go for Single Wield.