PE viable pistols

[Kal]

i've been lotech for quite some time, but with this next patch and libby getting worse i dont think i can take playing this style of PE anymore.

my question is..

is blacksun a viable weapon for a PE and whats its damage like compared to lib

and also the tl 92/soon to be 94 pulselaser, is it any good?
viable for pvp?


thanks

[Tratos]

Why not go judge?

Dribble Joy wont be happy but still its better than going for lower TL weapons

~Tratos

[steweygrrr]

Pssssh ignore those 2. A PE can viably use, and cap, a Judge so spec for that instead. And since the last patch it hurts like hell.

[Kal]

used to be judge but its a really awkward tl for its power.
i want something not to high tl so i can have more expandability for the character,
judge PE's tend to be either drugged up or gimped imo

[Argent]

Originally posted by Kal
is blacksun a viable weapon for a PE and whats its damage like compared to lib

and also the tl 92/soon to be 94 pulselaser, is it any good?
viable for pvp?

Both are crap compared to the rares. Go for Lib PE with huge def and speed or then slower and weaker H-T user.

[Kal]

i've been a lib PE with high defence for ages, im looking for a change, tbh i dont care if those guns aren't too great, i just want to change my setup to something fun, i have an amazing judge setup planned out if i wanted to do that.

can anyone tell me what kinda damage those guns do out of experiance

also could anyone tell me how much eapon skill i'd need to cap say.. a 3 slotter?

[[F6]Knight]

my non capped PE (56 con, 59 str, 71 dex) did 4 x 41 dmg on a 70/70 chaos creeper in the chaos caves with libby
my clanleader did 2 x 82 with his judge and his PE is fully capped
so thats exactly the same dmg and our bursts are about equally fast

so i for one am a bit sceptic about the judge for a PE
i dont know if he capped it or not. its nice they have equal dmg but the judge is 9 TL's higher ...
btw my libby is also pretty far from capped. think i got 130% or 140% dmg

[Kal]

yeah but the prob with lib is it only hits 2/3 shots per burst on average and its quite hard to aim with

[Dribble Joy]

Originally posted by Tratos
Why not go judge?

Dribble Joy wont be happy but still its better than going for lower TL weapons


PvP dmg balance has yet to be sorted, we cannot go by how things are on the TS to judge whether the libby will be an unviable weapon.

As Kal said, the judge is a really awkward tl, either you drug to it or you (for it's power) gimp defences, better off with a BoH (which fucking stings) or a RoLH.

[Fez]

u dont have gimp to usea a judge nor drug
i cap a judge and have both a pp and a move on in
and can easily op hack aswell

[Dribble Joy]

Indeed you can, but what is your runspeed and RoF like?

[Kal]

i have a very good judge setup i could use that completey caps judge, runs at 85/75, can hack everything, has nice defence (take about 33 from a judge shot) and about 440 hp without drugs but i wanna try a different weapon, not just the current 'best' weapon

[Dribble Joy]

Completely caps judge? 185 rpm? you need a kami to do that.

[Kal]

i thought an artifact one caps at 180 pistol combat

[Fez]

170 pc and 130 wep wil cap it i use 172pc and like 115 wep

[Dribble Joy]

Gah, 172 pc gives about 150 rpm? brrrrrrrr.

I get 160 rpm and I feel horrible. I have 174 pc, 78 agl.

[VetteroX]

people think cap means capped damage... 180 pc will not give you capped rof... not at all... im guessing 168, 169/min with 180 pc 100 dex. also are u gonna have any por with this setup? you need it now u know.

[Kal]

yeah about 50/60 por, it aint too much but it should do

im gonna be lomming to a judge setup then just so i can test out all the pistols for myself, i'll specilise my setup later

[Dribble Joy]

Randomly prodding buttons here....

With the imps I assume you are using, and no drugs.... 440hp? about 110 htl? You say you take 33 from a judge, the same as me.
I am not entirely sure how you have 60 POR?

[Kal]

because since that setup i decided to sacrivice 8 hlt points for poison and a tiny bit off resist

[Dribble Joy]

Doh, thought you meant with it, hehehe.

[Chris Redfield]

The template PE Judge is completely viable, the advantage is not to have to take of drug like not having to put a max of points out of PC as for RoLH.

50 or 60 points in poison is interesting when one uses the heat 1 if not boost your HP.

[Dribble Joy]

Haz/heat/br3 is bad.

Not only do you have to drug, you have to remove PA to cast, your resists are fucked if you are caught unbuffed, and you loose a considerable amount of dmg on your shields.

The 'template' judge setup (which I virtually invented) without drugs (for dex/agl/atl) sucks big balls, you are slow and/or have rof that is simply not acceptable.

[Kal]

i've found that between about 350 and 400% on shelter there is barely any difference, i dontn what shelter is at with haz/heat/br3 but shelter % dont seem to do too much to me

[Dribble Joy]

Maybe, but the other factors are enough for me to never use the lvl 40 buffs.

[Kal]

your the one with the experiance with that setup so i'll trust you on that

[Dribble Joy]

Ehhh, don't listen to meh :p

Before PA, I used sa, sf, ppr, dist3. With RF. Within minutes of buying PA, I had a moveon in instead of the dist3 :p.

Anyway, you can use sa, sf, ppr, moveon, exp reflex, pa3, but like I said, getting the same runspeed as I do with redflash (78 agl, 83 atl) causes a big loss in PC, probably left with about 170-172. The RoF you are left with is... terrible, less than 160.
The atl hit will be large (exp reflex does not give atl along with the lack of RF)) to make it up, resists/hp will have to be lost.

[Susi]

Originally posted by Dribble Joy
Haz/heat/br3 is bad.

Not only do you have to drug, you have to remove PA to cast, your resists are fucked if you are caught unbuffed, and you loose a considerable amount of dmg on your shields.

That's what i thought some time ago, too... But it is not true... Shelter damage percentage doesn't matter at all. And even if it would help a little bit, br3 last way longer than shelter... With PA you'd have to drug anyway if you wanted to use blessed deflector. I'm also using stealth then cought unbuffed rather than trying to figth back imediatedly. (Usually people attacking are PPU buffed anyway, so it's quite useless to fight back ;-))

[Dribble Joy]

Ever used a store bought shelter in PvP? BAAAADDDD.

All the hassle that goes with it, especially the drug factor, yuk.

[Fez]

druging for heat 1/ haz 1 is ok aslong and u dont use PA, switch to viper king armour it works fine if ur not a stealther, :P

[Rade]

Blacksun, Liberator, Judge, Beam of Hell and Ray of last hope are
all viable without drugs. After the next patch the Assault
Pulselaser will be as well but the RoLH will be nerfed stupid so its
back to being defencive specced for all RoLH users. Which is a bit
sad, one of the interesting things about PE was that you could
either spec high defence low damage or low defence high
damage and it was all pretty balanced.

[Dribble Joy]

Depends what you mean by 'viable', but yes.

Yes, the RoLH needs it's dmg back.

[Rade]

Originally posted by Dribble Joy
Depends what you mean by 'viable', but yes.


Waddya mean?

[Kal]

i just finished lomming and i have 180 p-c, fast runspeed 400+ hp, a little por and 115 hack

its perfectly viable if ya ask me but you do need an SA

[Dribble Joy]

Too many things are required for 'viable' setups.

Judge/rolh without SA and drugs is an example.

[Rade]

You dont need drugs, but yes, SA is nice. Not that hard to get
nowadays tho, theres so many around. I have a load of MC5s
and I cant say it was a lot of work. I got most before the glass
was removed tho, a bit hard for a PE in there nowadays ;)

[Twitch]

i'd like to know who in the fuck drugs to use a judge, it's not THAT hard to use w/o drugs or even that crazy of imps

[Dribble Joy]

ppr, moveon, sa, sf reflex 4 pa3 = 99 dex.
With good rof on judge your agl is SHITE, thus redflash comes in.

[Twitch]

wait nm pa4 is 105 dex

uhmm, iono but with my imp setup i have like 103 dex after pa3, i'd just never ever drug to use a judge though, it's way too easy to get 100 dex

[Dribble Joy]

Originally posted by Twitch
it's way too easy to get 100 dex

That's not the point though ;).

[KramerTheWeird]

From my experience the defense difference between lowtech and hightech is margainal. It has the most impact in op fights and a lowtech setup can make you a strong tank in op fights but in standard fights and skirmishes you will be at just about the same defense level as higher tech PE's.

If you wish to have your PE a heavy op contendor and want to take one or two more CS bursts (with ppu buffs), lowtech would be good (unfortunately no stealth which is also important in op fights), however there are many damage benefits and lesser defense disadvantages for going higtech.

[Rade]

The difference between lowtech and hightech is small but the
difference between heading for 90, 100 or 110 dex is huge.

[Kal]

yeah kramer, from my experiance as a lotech PE the only thing i noticed is you get to look cool cause of no PA and you get more poison resist/a bit more defence on other resists.

that and using just 1 gun with only earp as a laughable alternative ...:confused:

btw nice sig