View Full Version : Droners 100% overpowered
Clownst0pper
19-02-04, 19:38
Here we go. Ill start it, and everything I say is true, and it needs fucking sorting.
Its this simple.
===Droners are impossible to effectivly combat against now there damage is rock hard===
I have an almost capped droner, afew levels away, and after being killed by one today, ive finally realised what a joke the class is.
As a Private eye, or a tank I have zero way to combat them. I simply cannot cover an ENTIRE ZONE.
Lets take the military base zone as a good example. Its massive, and for one person, to find ones person on foot in that is beyond a joke. And all the while, the drone moves stupidly fast, has 100% accuracy, flys so high that its impossible to aim at them, and even worse when it is night time.
When its night time, finding a droner you have zero chance of doing it.
I know theyve only just got a boost, but imagine attempting to find a droner when the Power Armour is introduced and they are removed from the local list.
Sorry but there the most unfair class in the game, just because of the above facts, + its irrelevant if there bodys die quick if its so hard to find them.
As a tank/PE and spy we need a better way to combat them, as at the moment, If i see a droner while im out PKing I just leave, as its a needle in a hay stack, and if I do manage to kill the drone, they just launch another without consequance.
Sorry KK but uve fucked up big time, and I fucking have a mega high lvl droner! :mad:
Mighty Max
19-02-04, 19:41
Drop the drone and look where the next comes from ....
Clownst0pper
19-02-04, 19:44
Drop the drone and look where the next comes from ....
Please inform me oh wise one how im suppose to do this when its dark - And I cannot see the drone, where it is, wheres its flying from, or how to even target it.
And in the day time, the same rules apply, as most often they are higher than a clipping plane, and move too fast to target.
Listen, I play a fucking droner shit loads, and fundamentally they are just overpowered in the sense of invulnerable
maybe when you kileld a drone somthing like a holy lightning beam would come up from where the droner is for a second... that would be good. or maybe some kinda red line flashes and leads directly to the droner for a second like some kinda telepath breaking or whatever. course they should still get a damage boost then as thats a big disadvantage.
how do u drop a drone when it clips through walls and jumps like lag? Only viable way of taking a drone is using spells.
Clownst0pper
19-02-04, 19:46
how do u drop a drone when it clips through walls and jumps like lag? Only viable way of taking a drone is using spells.
Thats exactly my point also, 90% of the time, ur taking dmg and cant even see any fucking beams, and half the time if you are shooting them, you dont do dmg as the drone isnt actually there.
ITS A FUCKING JOKE
So I wonder why this thread have never been made before? The recent drone changes didnt suddenly cause this to be the case.
Clownst0pper
19-02-04, 19:50
So I wonder why this thread have never been made before? The recent drone changes didnt suddenly cause this to be the case
As TBH m8 there are fuck all droners. And very very few who actually are pure drones, and dont just mule it to lvl quickly.
Those rare few which are pure, like myself, are almost unstoppable.
the only way to not worry about a droner is to be an APU and pop it out the sky
For everyone else u have fucked it, pure and simple
Scanner Darkly
19-02-04, 19:52
When it's dark, they come, the children of the night. Oh sorry was somewhere else.
Ah droners. Yeah it's tough, but whats neocrack without a bit of a challenge?
PS: tbh I think KK boosted the droners to make them a bit more viable in OP fights rather than anything else. Well I guess no more threads begging for "loving for droners" :D
Disturbed021
19-02-04, 19:52
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
As a tank/PE and spy we need a better way to combat them, as at the moment, If i see a droner while im out PKing I just leave, as its a needle in a hay stack, and if I do manage to kill the drone, they just launch another without consequance.
PE and Spy have stealth that they can use to get the drone off of their ass while they search for the meatsack.
A tank should be able to last long enough to find shelter or the droner.....so why are you bitchin again?
They finally made droners viable and you want them nerfed cause ur too lazy to run around the zone to find them?
:wtf: :rolleyes:
Heavyporker
19-02-04, 19:52
doubt, its just APU.. PPU could presumably set a soulcluster on a drone.
Mmmmm... aerial combat.
Clownst0pper
19-02-04, 19:53
It is tough, but whats neocrack without a challenge?
Im all for a challenge, but when 3 out of my 4 characters are 100% useless against them, something is seriously wrong.
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
As TBH m8 there are fuck all droners. And very very few who actually are pure drones, and dont just mule it to lvl quickly.
Those rare few which are pure, like myself, are almost unstoppable.
the only way to not worry about a droner is to be an APU and pop it out the sky
For everyone else u have fucked it, pure and simple Yeah I have a droner that will stay a droner, but he also constructs, so he wont end up with but around 150 in WPW and 190 in RCL, so he wont be uber by any definition in terms of drones.
But my questions is if drones are 100% unstoppable in pvp, why dont we see more droners doing PKing and PvP? Droners sure level faster than any other spies do....
Clownst0pper
19-02-04, 19:54
But my questions is if drones are 100% unstoppable in pvp, why dont we see more droners doing PKing and PvP?
Many people find them inpersonal, and dull.
The lack of sounds, lack of interaction. Effectivly, its silent gaming.
You just move and click, not the most involving class. That is why.
Just because of the above, and the lack of them, doesnt mean when they are around they arent over powered.
There just arent loads of them..yet.
Better question: have you tried out your theories yet Clownstopper?
Why not go to the MB sector like you say, and simply terrorize everyone, and verify its as easy as you think.
Your ultimate proof would be when other respected PvPers come in and whine that some droner out at the MB is too hard to kill, eh?
btw i dont think finding droners is hard at all... they wont hide everywhere in a zone. usaly on the reset points like on cliffs.. or behind somthing. not like you have to look over the whole area. besides you can also see what direction the droner is comign from. i dotn think this is a problem at all as my clan has killed almost every droner at an op fight by lookign around for 30 seconds. you make it see worse then it is.
btw i have killed droners in the mb sector
Clownst0pper
19-02-04, 19:58
Better question: have you tried out your theories yet Clownstopper?
Yes I have m8, Many times, But as I say, it only takes one APU to just stand there and kill me straight away.
Im purely talking from the 3 other classes perspectives.
There isnt one tank, one PE, or one spy which can kill my droner when im in the MB zone.
I gaurentee it, not because im a good droner, but for the reason ive mentioned.
There impossible to find in such large, dense zones, where travel time is minimum.
i dotn think this is a problem at all as my clan has killed almost every droner at an op fight by lookign around for 30 seconds
Then there stupid droners. You'll find in most OP wars droners stay close by as APU's regularly just pop them out of the sky, meaning they have to reduce there travel time.
In terms of drone PVP and PKing there impossible, I swear.
Scanner Darkly
19-02-04, 19:58
I tested all rare drones with a friend on the testserver with a riflespy. 2 hits of capped SH will down pretty much any drone and they dont fare any better against a capped dis/HL
Also they seem to be easier to hit at range with longer range rifles.
edit: Bigger range negates any jigging or sudden changes of direction as im sure you all know
Admittedly if youre an APU, youre fluffed. *Plays a tiny violin*
Originally posted by Disturbed021
PE and Spy have stealth that they can use to get the drone off of their ass while they search for the meatsack.
A tank should be able to last long enough to find shelter or the droner.....so why are you bitchin again?
They finally made droners viable and you want them nerfed cause ur too lazy to run around the zone to find them?
:wtf: :rolleyes:
a) Not all PEs stealth, such as myself, imo PEs should not get stealth, it's not needed.
b) My PE lasts longer than a tank....
Also that still doesn't change the fact that the only class that can do shit against drones is apus....
I agree 100% that the system needs to be changed.
Disturbed021
19-02-04, 19:59
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
Just because of the above, and the lack of them, doesnt mean when they are around they arent over powered.
There just arent loads of them..yet.
I think you will start seeing more droners as they are viable now. B4 they were simply a joke. 1-2 shots of HL would kill even the highest tl drones.
Imo ppl just werent aware of just HOW good a droner can be now and are starting to find out 8| and don't like it
Clownst0pper
19-02-04, 20:01
A tank should be able to last long enough to find shelter or the droner.....so why are you bitchin again?
My tank has every resist capped, and recently he was hammered by a good droner.
I couldnt out heal it, and couldnt out run it.
And had zero chance of finding his body as I had an entire zone to cover, and it was most likely he used a hover tech to get on hills where those who cant drive, can never get to.
Once again making him invulnerable
Imo ppl just werent aware of just HOW good a droner can be now and are starting to find out
I am telling you, there a class without consequence. They dont drop anything of value, they can use hovertechs to get into 100% safe locations, travel time is now next to nothing, and if your drone is destroyed who cares, You dont loose HP, and can just launch another
Scanner Darkly
19-02-04, 20:03
I think youve hit the nail on the head disturbed...MB might become hell in a week or two...
Already enjoyed a couple of Nemeses hammering my runners to oblivion.
Mmm Oblivion...new rare drone with anti buff and damage boost?
:lol:
Well if people arent liking it, they arent posting here yet. This is the first... probably EVAR... thread about this subject.
So tell me this then. Since the system is not working apparently, what is the solution?
Every problem you name is a function of the class itself. Its the nature of droning you have a problem with, not the numbers involved.
the fuck they are over powered... u must be fuckin high on some crack or somethin...
i fuckin hate my droner because its fuckin hell to level, to keep stock of drones, and they are fuckin weak.
and maybe these new drones will help the weakness. but its hard as fuck to get them even thru bp's because the difficulty researching / constructing them
Disturbed021
19-02-04, 20:07
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
My tank has every resist capped, and recently he was hammered by a good droner.
I couldnt out heal it, and couldnt out run it.
And had zero chance of finding his body as I had an entire zone to cover, and it was most likely he used a hover tech to get on hills where those who cant drive, can never get to.
Once again making him invulnerable
Then didn't the droner do a good job of hiding his body?
What do you suggest? That a droner prolly using a capped PN or something shouldn't be able to kill anyone?
If you are able to find the droners body too quickly than the droner is dead. If the drones do not do enough damage or get shot down too quickly (like they used to) it leaves the droner extremely vulnerable, aka dead.
If you are in the middle of the zone with no cover and a drone happens upon you whether you are a tank, spy, pe or apu imo the drone should have a damn good shot at killing you....which from what you are saying they do.
Seems like something you get for being 100% defensless in face-to-face situations.
robdekoning
19-02-04, 20:13
pe + spy can (most of the times) stealth to avoid drone dmg and that way find the droner, or at least try to find him. APU can destroy the drone fairly easy i suppose. Now theres tanks..well its hard for tanks to combat against a drone (better run) but hey, they have got the deverour which can kill almost every char ingame pretty easily. Every char has its powerfull weapons, STOP FUCKING WHINING AFTER EVERY PATCH! i wish they closed this forum so noone could whine except on the ingame forum
Clownst0pper
19-02-04, 20:14
OK. I will spell it out.
How am I suppose to fight a class, which I cannot find, cannot target, cannot out run, and stealth being the only option?
i fuckin hate my droner because its fuckin hell to level, to keep stock of drones, and they are fuckin weak
I got my droner to 91 base int/dex in 3 days. And particle nemesis and mosquito's take fucking shitloads of hammer.
You obviously cannot comment on the situtation if you havnt used them.
and maybe these new drones will help the weakness. but its hard as fuck to get them even thru bp's because the difficulty researching / constructing them
If there only downside is to construct new drones, fuck me theyve got it lucky.
What do you suggest? That a droner prolly using a capped PN or something shouldn't be able to kill anyone?
No id just like to be able to hit it when its not 1000 meters high and untargetable.
should have a damn good shot at killing you....which from what you are saying they do
The certainly do, to the point where if you are out in the open, u stand zero chance of survival against a particle nemesis, I kid u not.
Zero survival rate doesnt sound very fair to me.
Well if people arent liking it, they arent posting here yet. This is the first... probably EVAR... thread about this subject.
MY main is a droner. U think I like this? im doing it as I play other classes, and know how devastating they can be
I posted this in another thread and i will post it once again for emphasis:
I don’t think your criticisms are accurate, why?
Well firstly before the recent boosts droners were well inadequate to say the least, sure a skilled droner could do some damage in the right situation but in general it was far more worth while to go rifle spy for just for the increase in combat versatility and overall damage output.
Now with the boost, droners now have a comparable offence to a rifle spy albeit slightly lower overall and the rifler still maintains his ability to evade the enemy and continue doing damage. People aren’t crying about rifle (or pistol) spies are they? No! Why? Because rifle spies are in the traditional mode of play person-to-person, face-to-face. Now with drones its different, when a droner fights another person that person is in combat with a small mobile weapons platform. People scream "its too hard to target" "I'm melee I cant do anything" which may be true, but your tactics are all wrong!
Don’t kill the drone (unless your a monk or have super human aim) kill the droner. Zones aren’t that big and for example if what I’m lead to believe is true characters like melee tanks have plenty of speed and should have no trouble covering the ground to find him, and to continue that analogy if you were in a fight with a cs or Dev tank you’d be taking a lot more damage, the only difference being in this case you have to wait to deliver your counterstroke, but when you do its game over droner.
To return to my original point, droners have a number of notable disadvantages in comparison to a rifle spy, I've already mentioned the mobility and reduced damage factors, but in addition to this there are a number of other points:
* Drones are locked into one damage type we cant ammo mod our drones like other classes can their weapons a PN does energy the Mossie does Pierce/Force. No other class has this disadvantage with the exception of monks but they deal damage far in excess of what a droner will ever be able to do.
* In a similar vein drones are hard to cap, it takes a large allocation of your points to truly squeeze the maximum damage out of a drone especially the blueprinted rares and following on from that:
* For a droner to combat effectively they need to be able to hide themselves a long way from the action, this means more willpower, more specialisation and fewer points for other things.
* Finally; although now droners may be competitive in advantageous (read: Outdoors, it takes a unique droner to win in confined spaces) 1v1 situations, they are still weak verses a group of people. With 2 or more people hunting him that droner is dead, he may take out one of them but the others will find him eventually and if they have a ppu they’ll be back on their feet in no time.
In conclusion then why are your criticisms invalid? You take a too narrow a view, your complaining about having to actually FIGHT a droner 1v1 for a change rather than massacre him and you completely ignore all the numerous disadvantages we as droners have to contend with. Yet you still scream nerf! Droners are now a viable combat alternative, people are coming back to droning not because were "ubar"(TM) but because we are now viable and some people who found droning fun but ultimately futile are giving it a second chance and those who heard it was useless first time round are giving it a shot, I for one am happy to see more droners and fewer monks, in the long run it adds much more variety to the game.
Fixing the bugs was the only thing droners needed. The good droners were already damn good and they had learned to put up with the bugs / find ways around them.
Droners didnt honestly imho need a boost (or at least only a very slight one), it needed people like the good droners, who took the time and dedication to learn how to do it like a master,and were a formiddable foe in the field.
The very fact your own body was not at stake was the reason your damage output was meant to be low...
However, Droners were never good in confined spaces, that much ill admit, but they're king of the outdoors, and the best always were.
Clownst0pper
19-02-04, 20:19
Drones are locked into one damage type we cant ammo mod our drones like other classes can their weapons a PN does energy the Mossie does Pierce/Force. No other class has this disadvantage with the exception of monks but they deal damage far in excess of what a droner will ever be able to do.
Irrelevant, PN's ROF + its base dmg is enough to kill any class, resists or not, You cannot outheal a PN without a holy heal.
In a similar vein drones are hard to cap, it takes a large allocation of your points to truly squeeze the maximum damage out of a drone especially the blueprinted rares and following on from that:
One again irrelevant, if you are a specialised droner, there is very little dmg difference from say 160% to 178% on a particle nemesis.
Any specialised droner with 205 remote control will cap BPed drones.
For a droner to combat effectively they need to be able to hide themselves a long way from the action, this means more willpower, more specialisation and fewer points for other things.
What are these other things? Your a droner, Just because your a droner doesnt mean like every other class u dont specialise. MY droner has 84 poking, and 200 willpower, I can fly an entire zone. U can fly an entire zone with 150. Again you have proven nothing.
Finally; although now droners may be competitive in advantageous (read: Outdoors, it takes a unique droner to win in confined spaces) 1v1 situations, they are still weak verses a group of people. With 2 or more people hunting him that droner is dead, he may take out one of them but the others will find him eventually and if they have a ppu they’ll be back on their feet in no time.
Every class is weak vs PPU buffed groups, as a lone tank I wouldnt be able to take on a group of people being buffed/rezzed.
Again what is your point? I am talking about when the droner is taking on 1vs1 or any tank/pe/spy groups.
Disturbed021
19-02-04, 20:21
Originally posted by Leebzie
Droners didnt honestly imho need a boost (or at least only a very slight one), it needed people like the good droners, who took the time and dedication to learn how to do it like a master,and were a formiddable foe in the field.
The very fact your own body was not at stake was the reason your damage output was meant to be low...
lmao, did you every try using a droner b4 the boost?
The only thing that you could kill easily was poison mobs as poison doesn't hurt drones.
Ppl laughed at drones at op fights unless it wasn't targetable or some how went unnoticed for 5 minutes, otherwise it was 2 hls and the drone is gone.
What is the effective range on the PN?
I flew the BP20, and after using the RG1000 for a while, I thought the range on the PB20 was pure ass.
Can the PN actually be 500 meters up in the sky at scoring hits on people on the ground?
Disturbed021
19-02-04, 20:26
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
No id just like to be able to hit it when its not 1000 meters high and untargetable.
That I do grant is a problem. Apus have no ret and can easily target a drone whereas everyone else has a very hard time hittin one.
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
The certainly do, to the point where if you are out in the open, u stand zero chance of survival against a particle nemesis, I kid u not.
Zero survival rate doesnt sound very fair to me.
Well, we differ in opinions here. If a droner (who doesn't use stealth) is running to find a hiding place and runs into a tank, PE, or apu they stand no chance whatsoever. So, I think the fact that they can kill most any class is fair.
Remember that anybody can walk by their bodies and kill them, a mob can spawn at anytime and kill them. Unless they use stealth (which greatly reduces their damage) they can be killed quite easily just walking around or while trying to fight elsewhere in the zone with the drone.
Its like talking to a brick wall, fine nerf the droners, I don’t fucking care anymore. I've played a droner in one form or another since the start of retail and I have done so simply for the pleasure of flying. Once you’ve got your perceived problems with the "Evil Ubar Droners" sorted out move onto the Devourer.
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
Irrelevant, PN's ROF + its base dmg is enough to kill any class, resists or not, You cannot outheal a PN without a holy heal.
tell me u r fucking kidding here.
u want to OUTHEAL a RARE?
let me guess, u r also pissed because u can't outheal a CS/Dev/HL?
tbh there is NO problem in fighting a dron(er)
how about taking cover?
fighting is NOT always the best solution, i heard retreating is a valid tatic, too :wtf:
I'm not really interested in this debate that much but I have to comment on this:
Originally posted by Disturbed021
PE and Spy have stealth that they can use to get the drone off of their ass while they search for the meatsack.
Not all PEs are stealth whoring bitches.
Originally posted by Disturbed021
A tank should be able to last long enough to find shelter or the droner.....so why are you bitchin again?
A PE has better defence than a tank. And why SHOULD a character HAVE to find shelter against a drone. Every other class CAN fight another class, even if they are disadvantaged.
Originally posted by Disturbed021
They finally made droners viable and you want them nerfed cause ur too lazy to run around the zone to find them?
:wtf: :rolleyes:
Just because they have been underpowered for so long does not mean that they should be allowed to be overpowered now.
Last time I met a droner they seemed to have problems with stealthers. That in my mind leaves PE`s and spies out of what classes that the droners are overpowered against. Its not fun trying to find the droner, but he cant hurt you either. I assume your PE is not using stealth atm clownstopper. That is a choice you make and something you can choose to skill against. Or is it still a problem with stealth? I haven`t met that many since the boost.
Monks can counter drones pretty well and that leaves only the tank that has no other way of countering drones than to run, hide or find the droner fast right?
What I`m getting at is that it cant be that overpowered.
Drone armor seems to have been scaled to match monk damage. I shot a mosqito with my rhino and it took it down to half health or so. With the time I spent aiming to get a shot that hit that seemed to me to be to much. (The monks are the problem. Pls nerf them some more :D)Now the aim on the rhino is good. Reticle closes fast and its still a pain to shoot the drones.
The argument about droners using hovers to get on hard to reach places is not very good. Hovers are open to anyone and if the droner can get there so can you.
Drones need to have the way their movement is updated fixed and perhaps get their armor lowered somewhat(though its hard to balance with monks). If I got a building to hide behind or in its very hard for a droner to kill me. If I`m are out in the open I got a problem. I can`t say I feel anything wrong with that.
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
There isnt one tank, one PE, or one spy which can kill my droner when im in the MB zone.
I gaurentee it, not because im a good droner, but for the reason ive mentioned.
There impossible to find in such large, dense zones, where travel time is minimum.
Then there stupid droners. You'll find in most OP wars droners stay close by as APU's regularly just pop them out of the sky, meaning they have to reduce there travel time.
In terms of drone PVP and PKing there impossible, I swear.
I missed the threat of droners at op wars, i used to shit mysen when i saw that local saying "HEW PARTICLE BEAM DRONe PB-20" cuz i knew it was bad news so what did i do? Get the hell out and let the class that can counter it counter it.
A rigger should have a high dmg output, it should be hard to kill the drone, while they drone they take a high risk of being found, if you cant survive em hide from em....
What about ppus, a good one cant be taken by any class 1v1....
Disturbed021
19-02-04, 20:34
Originally posted by Sigma
tell me u r fucking kidding here.
u want to OUTHEAL a RARE?
let me guess, u r also pissed because u can't outheal a CS/Dev/HL?
tbh there is NO problem in fighting a dron(er)
how about taking cover?
fighting is NOT always the best solution, i heard retreating is a valid tatic, too :wtf:
Exactly! ppl are still under the impression that a droner should do shit damage because their body is not in sight. If you cannot kill any class b4 they find your body than what would be the point of that class?
Ppl need to start taking the droners seriously and keep an eye on where they are in the zone, not just "hum dee dee oh look I'm surronded by baren wastes in the exact middle of the zone. Oh look a perty drone, ouch fuck meh! Nerf the droners!"
The range of drones is pretty small, if they fly higher than you can aim them they cant shoot you as well for sure. Most PEs and Spies can stealth and search the droner easily! Tanks should be able to take a drone out before dieing, i think the Ravager could be useful...
There are still only very few droners because there are too many efforts in beeing a droner. Dont complain about minorities beeing too powerful when they just became a little more viable.
If you complain that much about drones, then you really should play a droner on Retail and "enjoy" it.
Originally posted by Disturbed021
lmao, did you every try using a droner b4 the boost?
The only thing that you could kill easily was poison mobs as poison doesn't hurt drones.
Ppl laughed at drones at op fights unless it wasn't targetable or some how went unnoticed for 5 minutes, otherwise it was 2 hls and the drone is gone.
Well, I shared concerns about droners, and yea, ive laughed at droners too. But I remember being killed by some droners who (sadly I never met... never got that close) who were moving thier drones so damn fast. My comments are more about Dex/str based weapons VS drones, because monk overpoweredness was another issue.
Keeping your drone moving at one hell of a rate/ moving it extremely high has always been an effective tactic though, and if you were doing this, you could indeed kill before the boost. (Vs DEX/STR based weapons still)
The skill was to make the drone untargetable by being an extreme pilot. you could wear down your target to a (often humiliating, due to the view on droners) death, with little risk to yourself.
I think the boosts were a little 'sledgehammer' really. They dont need to be nerfed sledgehammer either, but some of the boost should be neutralised (so they are still better than they were)
Disturbed021
19-02-04, 20:49
Originally posted by Judge
I'm not really interested in this debate that much but I have to comment on this:
If you're not interested in the debate then why are you even posting anything here?
Disturbed021
19-02-04, 20:52
Originally posted by Leebzie
. My comments are more about Dex/str based weapons VS drones, because monk overpoweredness was another issue.
I agree that this is an issue. I tried hitting a drone with my tank and it wasn't happening. But than again it was easy to evade a drone by running into a small space.
i dont think the drones are over powered if u got a good aim and hit the drone the drone goes fuzzy and cant do anything :( and if the droner person itself is found then i need to say no more.
found droner = poor dead spy with a lost drone
Mighty Max
19-02-04, 21:00
Most times there are 2 lost drones in this situation. Uhm, and putting the drone into a save-slot like every one else isnt a good idea either, at least it has zero effect.
bleh, i always thought that i was just a good droner..
I don't have any trouble finding droners. I've played as a droner and I've learned where the best hiding spots are. While droner's can hide just about anywhere, they generally choose the same hiding spots in each zone. You just have to know where to look. If you don't already know, try asking your clan droner where his favorite hiding spots are.
Darth Slayer
19-02-04, 21:09
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
Im all for a challenge, but when 3 out of my 4 characters are 100% useless against them, something is seriously wrong.
Cry me a river.........:rolleyes:
Adapt or die it's as simple as that.
Originally posted by Disturbed021
If you're not interested in the debate then why are you even posting anything here?
Because I wanted to point out things that were wrong with someones facts.
Dargeshaad
19-02-04, 21:15
My grudge with droners are that most of the times they will use vehicles or bugs to get to places not accessible for oher people unless they use bugs/vehicles too.
Usually to get ontop of cliffs like the one surrounding MB, thus making it impossible to get to them.
I don't really mind their dmg so much, when you first hit the drone they're pretty fubar since their screen gets all fuzzy.
Darth Slayer
19-02-04, 21:23
Originally posted by Dargeshaad
My grudge with droners are that most of the times they will use vehicles or bugs to get to places not accessible for oher people unless they use bugs/vehicles too.
Usually to get ontop of cliffs like the one surrounding MB, thus making it impossible to get to them.
I don't really mind their dmg so much, when you first hit the drone they're pretty fubar since their screen gets all fuzzy.
Erm theres no need to use a Bug or vehicle to get onto the cliffs at MB.
If you are a lone tank and see an enemy PN? Advice: run. Hide. Don't even think about trying to fight the drone.
Got no stealth on your PE? See advice for tanks.
I drone and I love it. Maybe drones get tuned down maybe they don't but all the waiting for the boost was worth it.
(i was considering to put 'fuck' and 'fucking' between every 3 words but nah)
Disturbed021
19-02-04, 21:24
Originally posted by Judge
Because I wanted to point out things that were wrong with someones facts
What facts? lmao I voiced my opinion. and not like you r added anything to this post but...
Originally posted by Judge
Not all PEs are stealth whoring bitches.
MOST does not equal ALL. I know of 3 pes that don't use stealth and a ton that do. But gee I guess for those that choose not to use stealth they better pay attention to where they are at on the map and not wonder off into the middle of the zone w/o cover.
Originally posted by Judge
A PE has better defence than a tank. And why SHOULD a character HAVE to find shelter against a drone. Every other class CAN fight another class, even if they are disadvantaged.
Becuase if anyone can easily destroy a drone out in the open then a droner will never be able to kill anyone.
The way to fight a droner is to find their body or kill the drone, if you can't kill the drone and you run around in the open long enough and do not find the body then you will die! reason enough to find shelter?
Originally posted by Judge
Just because they have been underpowered for so long does not mean that they should be allowed to be overpowered now.
wtf are you even talking about? Who says they are overpowered? What one person so far? Of course they should not be overpowered but just because one person says they are overpowered doesn't make them so.
Dargeshaad
19-02-04, 21:26
Well I for one would like how you get all the way up to on the highest ledge
Oh the joy to be in a class where others think you are over powered.
I for one, look forward to spy-o-cron.
I am so happy.
spy's against nerfage.
i think they need to increse the hitboxes on the drones again. i remember explicitly of trying to shoot a drone with a lazdotted& scoped rifle and having bad problems even connecting.
Disturbed021
19-02-04, 21:42
Originally posted by lullysing
i think they need to increse the hitboxes on the drones again. i remember explicitly of trying to shoot a drone with a lazdotted& scoped rifle and having bad problems even connecting.
That may be a good fix for the Tanks/pes/spies so they can target them better.
Psycho_Soldier
19-02-04, 21:48
Originally posted by Darth Slayer
Cry me a river.........:rolleyes:
Adapt or die it's as simple as that.
What class use to say that awhile back? Oh yes, the overpowered hybrids. IMO Drones do not belong in this game just like monks don't.
Mighty Max
19-02-04, 22:01
Yeah right!
- Remove all classes but Tanks!
- Make tanks be capped on creation
- remove Synchs, we need one big Zone
:lol:
Welcome to NeoBashor )l(
Clownst0pper
19-02-04, 22:04
Cry me a river.........
OK nice maturity there...Thats like saying you die to any class, cry me a river.
Its the fact that dispite a droner loosing a drone, its still a matter of finding there body, and a good droner, well, U never will.
Ive always thought u destroy the drone and the droner should get 50% impairment and loose half HP.
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
OK nice maturity there...Thats like saying you die to any class, cry me a river.
Its the fact that dispite a droner loosing a drone, its still a matter of finding there body, and a good droner, well, U never will.
Ive always thought u destroy the drone and the droner should get 50% impairment and loose half HP.
dude, 50% = gimpage, u cant even move with that...
but liek, enuff to...just give 'em 12%!
Please KK dont listento cartel kids just cuz they are getting pked in crp thousands of times
everytime u guys get pwned then come to the forum to try to nerf whatever killed u god STOP THE NERFING THREADS
this is the most unbalanced game why? cuz KK listen people even if they are not right like the dev thing it is supposed to hurt that much cuz it is a flamer i mean u get fucking burned, then the kids come to cry here NERF NERF and kk listen to them
DRONERS GOT NEW TOYS THEY ARE HAPPY LEAVE THEM ALONE, and i dont even have a droner it just pisses me off that when KK implement something new kid come to POST NERF IT NERF IT then KK comes listen to them AND SCREW THE WEAPON COMPLETLY
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
OK nice maturity there...Thats like saying you die to any class, cry me a river.
Its the fact that dispite a droner loosing a drone, its still a matter of finding there body, and a good droner, well, U never will.
Ive always thought u destroy the drone and the droner should get 50% impairment and loose half HP.
LOL.. if the droner whos only remotely controling a machine gets 50% impair for losing his little remote control device you should have like 100% si when you die, after all you've been to hell n back, it's gotta knock the wind out of you. O and the ressed dead should have 1 hp and need a heal Baldurs Gate Stylee.....
Zones aren't that big.....
the only problem with drones is the bugs they have and the fact they move like there lagging heavily.... apart from that i can't see a problem. Run, Hide, Find the Droner or die.....
due to the nature of how laggy/buggy drones are it's hard to knock a decent pvp drone out of the sky. Plus on top of the fact that majority of drones can hit the top of the zone sky where only long range spells might have a chance of connecting. Drones are becoming the trend and they are overpowered.
Especially with use of a hovertec and if someone managed to find a mountain that no one can get to on foot... the odds of getting to the droners body is slim to none. Rumors of a helmet taking a droner's name off the local list will only add to the over powering of droners (if this is actually true).
Why are we seeing tons of more droners? because people want to play as spies? No, it's because droning is over powerful at the moment... just like monks were incredibly easy to use and powerful. Now that they've been redone less people are playing monks and more people are playing droners because 1. They have new drones 2. With the armor and dmg boost on drones, they are much easier to pk almost anyone. 3. Drones are just about as easy to use a monk once was.
@bl1nd
"Please KK dont listento cartel kids just cuz they are getting pked in crp thousands of times
everytime u guys get pwned then come to the forum to try to nerf whatever killed u god STOP THE NERFING THREADS
this is the most unbalanced game why? cuz KK listen people even if they are not right like the dev thing it is supposed to hurt that much cuz it is a flamer i mean u get fucking burned, then the kids come to cry here NERF NERF and kk listen to them
DRONERS GOT NEW TOYS THEY ARE HAPPY LEAVE THEM ALONE, and i dont even have a droner it just pisses me off that when KK implement something new kid come to POST NERF IT NERF IT then KK comes listen to them AND SCREW THE WEAPON COMPLETLY"
well first off, it's obvious your just as immature and childish out of game as in game. Unlike you, some people actually care about resolving problems with the game. Things that are way over powered. Some people like to contribute to this community in a positive way, unlike your self. I suggest you quit being so childish, actually try to help give feedback and thoughts about the product instead of trying to be an asshole 24/7.
Are you aware the most buggiest type of weapons are drones? Sense you don't have a droner, you'd have no idea about drones now would you? You just posted to try and stop this thread because you had a spare minute or two out of game to stop by, now didn't you? Before you go and tell others what to do, how about you try things out yourself and come back with some logically and true facts about drones instead of just saying don't nerf them because a certain person brings up the issue.
As for being pked "A THOUSAND TIMES" no... not even close. Seriously, thinking through your posts, try and be mature. Or is that too much for you to do?
Without stealth, droners are THE anti pe-spy in the field, simply because by the time you get to fucking shoot the things you are already down by half your HPs.
I still shudder from the memory of deathly droner squad of the gang. In fact, i was on drone-counter duty every time we would hole up inside simmons, and believe me, i would be scanning the skies because i knew how bad those things could be.
*scans the skies for PB drones*
personally i thought my droner was to underpowered for the amount of time i put into leveling it, which is why i deleted it.
are you minik btw? if you are i know your droner has killed mine many times at CRP:D
edit: I WAS THOUGH only 104 dex and could only use a pb 20, and i didnt get capped damage on it either, and tanks could almost outheal me, especially if they ran behind obsticals, and pe's like zoneseek just have to stand still and can outheal it...
but like i said that was with an uncapped pb 20.
and honostly it isnt that easy to keep altitude and shoot people at the same time... so it does KINDA balance out.
i think its just because now theres so many more droners since the latest patches that people are starting to realise there true power!!:wtf:
The droner has been the most buggy, the most expensive, the most boring, the most frustrating, the weakest in some respects, and definatly the most ignored class, for as long as i can remember.
I think we deserve to rule over the world of neocron for a short while, every other class has had more than their fair share of overpowered-ness, now, finally, it's our turn.
Let it be known from this day forth, droners are not to be mocked, we are a force to be feared and respected :D
And might i add: Droners > You :lol: :angel:
Originally posted by Disturbed021
What facts? lmao I voiced my opinion. and not like you r added anything to this post but...
iirc in your original post you said nothing to the effect of imo. Thus stating it as a fact, rather than an opinion.
Originally posted by Disturbed021
MOST does not equal ALL. I know of 3 pes that don't use stealth and a ton that do. But gee I guess for those that choose not to use stealth they better pay attention to where they are at on the map and not wonder off into the middle of the zone w/o cover.
Gee I guess PEs that don't like having a "get out of jail free" card should be punished even more right?
Originally posted by Disturbed021
Becuase if anyone can easily destroy a drone out in the open then a droner will never be able to kill anyone.
Hey, I said nothing about being able to kill a drone easily. I said that they should be able to kill one easier vital difference there.
Originally posted by Disturbed021
The way to fight a droner is to find their body or kill the drone, if you can't kill the drone and you run around in the open long enough and do not find the body then you will die! reason enough to find shelter?
Oh, yes finding shelter (or the droner) in the middle of the wasteland with a drone shooting you from about two hundred meters above when you don't have stealth and your weapon range is roughtly half the height of the drone is really easy. Oh and also when the drone moves so fast, and is so small that its almost impossible to target with anything but insta aim weapons.
Originally posted by Disturbed021
wtf are you even talking about? Who says they are overpowered? What one person so far? Of course they should not be overpowered but just because one person says they are overpowered doesn't make them so.
What one person? How about.... hmmm, maybe the thread starter? One person doesn't make it so... well that depends on wether he is right or not. Overpoweredness is not a matter of public opinion, its a fact. True or False.
But do I think its overpowered? Don't know really, I think that the hassle of getting fuckloads of drones made almost offsets the power at which they have in a good hiding place.
I would like for the hitbox to be made larger though... maybe give people a chance in hell of hitting it without insta-aim.
Oooh yea nerf the 3 droners on each server O_o
lol gimme a brake when all reroll from tank, monk to Drone'o'cron ok come back then. Atm hard to run around and look on the local list :rolleyes:
And if you find him hes so dead :o
Disturbed021
20-02-04, 00:50
Originally posted by Judge
iirc in your original post you said nothing to the effect of imo. Thus stating it as a fact, rather than an opinion.
lmao whatever dude. Just because I dont put imo in front of every sentence does NOT mean I am trying to say shit as factual. In your opinion I am saying it as factual, but fact is I am not o_0 woah...
Originally posted by Judge
What one person? How about.... hmmm, maybe the thread starter? One person doesn't make it so... well that depends on wether he is right or not. Overpoweredness is not a matter of public opinion, its a fact. True or False.
[/B] The one person is the thread starter. That is the only persons opinion, yes opinion that drones are overpowered that I have seen thus far. He states no facts. He just didn't like getting killed by a drone.
Originally posted by Judge
But do I think its overpowered? Don't know really, I think that the hassle of getting fuckloads of drones made almost offsets the power at which they have in a good hiding place.
I would like for the hitbox to be made larger though... maybe give people a chance in hell of hitting it without insta-aim. [/B]
holy crap something I agree with you on :p surprised?:p
There is a lot of negatives to being a droner, just a few examples;
-Droners cannot fight well in confined spaces.
-If one is caught trying to get to their droning spot or leaving it they are as good as dead.
-If your droning location is found out you are dead pretty quickly.
-Mobs can spawn on ur body as u r droning and you won't know until its too late.
-Drones are a pain to get made unless you cst and res but even then it still takes a long ass time.
-if you crash while droning say good bye to the drone.
I do agree that something needs to be done to make it easier for ppl to target drones, hitbox increase would work for me.
But beyond that nothing needs to change...*cough imo cough*:p
Originally posted by Mighty Max
Drop the drone and look where the next comes from ....
FUCKING THANK YOU CLOWNSTOPPER, finally someone stood up to say they are overpowered, and btw mightmax, a lot of droners are just a little smarter than that, they will launch a drone then like move to the right or left quite a ways and move foward. Droners ARE overpowered seeing as lag and range are on there side, not to mention the size of them, just when u think your going to kill it, you see its in the sky and then you doing no dmg and *poof* its gone BECAUSE OF LAG.
p.s- Droners are overpowered
edit: oh forgot, its a bitc.h to find them at night as said to clownstopper
you weenie, you are essentially complaining about the whole class in general
like, being a droner is invalid
if a droner is hidden well, yes ---- it is EXTREMELY frustraiting to fight with them. and if the droner in question is smart and/or lucky it's VERY FREAKING EXTREMELY HARD to fight with them.
they have enlarged drone target boxes twice because of this
but the servers are not populated with droners, it's not droner-o-cron. if droners had such a huge and tangible advantage there would be just as many droners as there are tanks and psi monks.
pardon me, but you are nuts
Oooh yea nerf the 3 droners on each server
lol, my point exactly
I posted way back that droners shouldnt get a boost because it would be too powerful, but nobody listens. a droner NEVER misses, and you cant target a drone if its high up and moving fast... you just cant kill it. As for finding a droner, its near impossible if they know what they were doing... i think a cm droner was using an exploit in hiding yesturday but i cant go into details as the forum wont allow it. Its just lame... i say give droners a recticle like everyone else, and make the drone hitbox 3X bigger.
Originally posted by greploco
you weenie, you are essentially complaining about the whole class in general
like, being a droner is invalid
if a droner is hidden well, yes ---- it is EXTREMELY frustraiting to fight with them. and if the droner in question is smart and/or lucky it's VERY FREAKING EXTREMELY HARD to fight with them.
they have enlarged drone target boxes twice because of this
but the servers are not populated with droners, it's not droner-o-cron. if droners had such a huge and tangible advantage there would be just as many droners as there are tanks and psi monks.
pardon me, but you are nuts
oh that so? keep it like this and soon you will see droners all over the place.
Nuff Said
Originally posted by VetteroX
I posted way back that droners shouldnt get a boost because it would be too powerful, but nobody listens. a droner NEVER misses, and you cant target a drone if its high up and moving fast... you just cant kill it. As for finding a droner, its near impossible if they know what they were doing... i think a cm droner was using an exploit in hiding yesturday but i cant go into details as the forum wont allow it. Its just lame... i say give droners a recticle like everyone else, and make the drone hitbox 3X bigger.
NEVER? Nonsens. If my target moves in a certain way, I miss quite a lot.
wasn't there a hitbox increase before and it screwed droners over in confined spaces totally cause they couldn't get into certain tunnels anymore or places like the aggie room to level they ended up bouncing everywhere like a ball in a pinball machine . . .
well, i need to be able to target drones attacking me... all there is too it. killing the droner isnt always an option.
Clownst0pper
20-02-04, 01:10
wasn't there a hitbox increase before and it screwed droners over in confined spaces totally cause they couldn't get into certain tunnels anymore or places like the aggie room to level they ended up bouncing everywhere like a ball in a pinball machine . . .
Its the whole 'skill' which needs reworking.
I just find it amusing everyones like
Yes drones are hard to kill when there above the clipping plain
Yes droners are hard to kill when There hidden well
Yes droners are hard to kill when the game doesnt register your hits and the drones location
Yes droners are even harder to kill when its night time
Yes we dont have any aiming reticle
Yes if you are in the open and are a tank/pe who cannot stealth you will always die
Yes we can get to unreachable places with a hover-tech and launch drones making us invulnerable
BUT WHERE NOT OVERPOWERED! - HONEST!
I'm not even going to bother to read all the BS against drones.
The reasons for posts such as this is simply becuase for almost 18months drones have been utter shit.
People have used them for target practice so long they cant adapt to the point that drones are finally getting somewhere towards a balance and being moderately useful.
Do not nerf drones, its the last fuckin thing they need, theyve been nerfed for 18months already, its time they got fixed. Balance them if needed, but taht certainly isnt up to you to decide or any of the community, leave it to the ones who are employed / trusted to do it.
Tell me this Clownstopper. Did you play a droner BEFORE the fixes?
I think not, otherwise this thread wouldnt have existed to start with.
Clownst0pper
20-02-04, 01:12
Tell me this Clownstopper. Did you play a droner BEFORE the fixes?
Yes and and all my complaints remain, except a tank could outheal most of my PN's.
Because of this I deleted my Droner, and made her again a month before anyone new patches were going to make them better.
And still play my droner shit loads, just cos there fucking solid. Doesnt mean I like it when im fighting against them, just because they are unbalanced
I agree with Elric... droners had to be patient. This is the golden age for us :)
Droners can't be long in a zone. Often a few fellows scout and dead we are.
Finally respect and fear is ours! Be scared.
the whole night time thing I got sick of that . .. I just turned brightness up some and got rid of that :p
respect then, you should make that clear.
I'll give the point that they MIGHT be overpowered for the moment(I cant say, I havent returned to droning for oer 5 months and havent encountered one ingame again YET. Then again, I know exactly how to combat them so.... we shall see.) , but leave the balancing to the ones that are trusted to do so.
The drones have been fucked for long enough, its time they were made as effective as they should be,
1 thing I'd like to see on drones are Lights. Same fashion that aircraft have lighting on the wing tips etc.
That will sort out the problems of nightime drone fighting.
Also, increasing the hitbox size isnt really a viable option either, due to the difficulties it introduces to flying in smaller spaces, such as in corridors or caves, and it also affects the mobs hit rates on them too, increasing the drone hitboxes AGAIN, would fuck up PvM massivley.
:edit: Any droners know and will agree with me here, combating a drone is NOT simply a case of shooting at it, you actually have to use yer brain. Vet not being able to combat them effectively doesnt surprise me due to the way he currently plays which is pretty much full time PvP and not PvD or DvP (Player vs Drone and vice versa). You need to know droning to know how to negate and combat them.
Clownst0pper
20-02-04, 01:18
the whole night time thing I got sick of that . .. I just turned brightness up some and got rid of that
Id also call that exploiting.. Just muh :angel:
Finally respect and fear is ours! Be scared
You know, I love this communitys attitude, Finally my class fucking ********** everyone.
Who gives a fuck if its unfair, finally I can 'over'kill people.
Jesus you sad gits, You have no clue, OH lets bring hybrids at while were at it, BECAUSE OH W8, DO I REMEMBER CORRECTLY?
There were at least 3 amazingly brilliant hybrids on each server, BUT OH W8 AGAIN, THEY STILL FUCKING NERFED THEM because they were fucking unfair.
Numbers doesnt matter, attempting to balance does
please read me edit above, it explains another few things.
I'll leave this until tommorow when i can think straight, My wife and I just found out we're having a baby and I'm still kinda in shock.
Hope I can make some good points later.
Clownst0pper
20-02-04, 01:24
Hope I can make some good points later
I await your return.
Congratulations - *Psychic powers, its a boy* :D
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
I await your return.
Congratulations - *Psychic powers, its a boy* :D
:lol: Thank you, I hope it is too :D
A baby? Thats great news, congrats!
Now how important is everything else ;)
lololol can't compare to a hybrid . . a hybrid would meet you in the open with several people against him and destroy you and your team and heal back up . a droner against several people will either result in the droner running .. trying to kill someone while the others find him . . although that might result in him dying . .or the others not knowing good spots for droners and just giving up. as for droners reaching spots with hovertechs and being invunable .. well can't others user a hovertech also? . .. I dont' personally know these spots so I guess I' just wont' touch that but I guess when gliders come out there will be more dead droners in high places :D . LOL exploiting on brightness. I'm roleplaying a character that has good night vision :eek: Hurts my eyes during the daylight though but the price you pay :D
Q`alooaith
20-02-04, 01:27
I'll mention since no one else has....
Drone's can not zone...
What's that mean? well for starter's a droner can't use their full range, but it also mean's it's possible to find their bodys..
Clown, if we where to belive everything in each of your "ballance change request" thread's, your main char is a PPU/APU Rifle, Melee, pistol, heavy, monk, tank, spy, with godly resist's and can cap any weapon you so choose to pick up...
Just saying, if you dig a little and well....
Back to the topic...
Drones are fine, esp rare drones, what class can't make a kill with their rare's, cept of course PPU's... But that's another story (like who can kill a PPU story)
A droner using a rare is very very depedant on tradskillers, since once you've got the rare made you've got to find a researcher, who'll probably naff off with a copy of the drone BP which they'll sell to to other droner's and such... then you've got to find a conster to build all them BP's... Your constantly having to shell out for more part's to build more drones, if when droning somone find's your body you can't see it so they can Damage boost and get ready to gank you at leasure, so lot's of getting imp's put back in...
Oh and if your target run's over the zone line you can't give chase..
Right.. They must realy be overpowered (also I'm a stinking rich A lister who's got more money than I could spend in a lifetime.... :) )
Clownst0pper
20-02-04, 01:28
What im trying to say is, like some pratt said earlier, just because theres a tiny amount of good droners doesnt mean you need to nerf them.
Isnt it the same principle as the hybrids back in the day? 8|
fighting a drone 101
I play a tank (as well as droner)
whenever a tank asks what gun they should get for the tangent epic the whole chat channel laughs at them if they want to get the cannon.
well the server has the wrong idea, at 120% handling and frequency the epic cannon is really great for drones.
I have a cannon and I keep the cannon in my inventory at all times - the TL is not high and you can get the aiming % very high on it, cap I think. I use it to kill drones, and it works well.
if you want to fight a drone, you need one of these cannons or a ryker laser cannon. the storm laser TL is high and I don't think you can cap aiming on it most of the time.
I would get mods in this order, depending on slots
handling mod (if non epic)
laserpointer
ammo mod
scope
if you cap frequency and aiming you can pretty much keep the drone under constant fire. ever played a droner? when the drone gets hit the whole screen flashes over with static for about two seconds, it's very disconcerting. if you are able to keep a drone under continuous fire (like with one of these cannons) the droner is screwed.
also - drones have limited "up/down" aiming. they can't hit the floor directly beneath them and they can't hit the sky.
----------------> most droners like altitude cause it makes them feel safe. it's a big mistake. run towards the drone and get beneath it - or manuver behind it.
also, if you kill a drone it's probably not a good idea to stay where you are. actually it's probably not a good idea to even try to kill the drone, give it a couple shots and then go find the spy.
I think if you have played drones for a year in their current state they are allowed to be overpowered for a bit. hey, at least we have ways of killing PPUs now...
Clownst0pper
20-02-04, 01:31
your main char is a PPU/APU Rifle, Melee, pistol, heavy, monk, tank, spy, with godly resist's and can cap any weapon you so choose to pick up...
I have had every class, and finally settled with a capped rifle PE, who was pistols for a year.
A droner (2 lvls from cap on int and dex) who was rifles, pistols, and kami versions of both
A Heavy combat tank, who was melee for 3 months, and then back to heavy combat.
And an APU who was originally PPU to cap, then deleted and remade to APU.
So yes, ive had every class. And work bloody hard to get the right setups and resists. I am afterall playing a game for that reason? Wrong?
I started using my droner again (mainly because of the bug fixes) and I have to say if drones were any weaker they'd be completely worthless in PvM (I don't pvp at all, so i wouldn't know)
but i do have a couple of counter points;
1) I dunno about you, but if I can't see anythign at night, logic would suggest for me to up my gamma so i can see.
2) if these places are inaccessable, how are the droners getting there?
3) we all deal with lag, there's time when I spend entire clips of ammo and the games telling me I'm damaging something, but I'm not. Fix the lag, it's not the drones fault.
4) I dunno about other droners, but i find my meatsack warning system seems busted. if someone or something finds my body, I'm dead, end of story, the warning I get is the "pick a generep" message.
I dunno how Drones are a problem for PvP or how to fix them, but re-nerfing them puts them back into the realm of near-uselessness for PvM, and thats what I play. I would however like a fix for the SL/Faction sympathy bug (this is still in), my drones health randomly going down even if there's nothing in the area, and getting stuck in terrain (this is especially bad around MB, where I can lose a drone that clips into a wall). also, can the gatling drones get looked at? for their TL, they totally suck compared to lower TL drones (even capped)
Clownst0pper
20-02-04, 01:37
if these places are inaccessable, how are the droners getting there?
Hover Techs can get up any hill.
I dunno about you, but if I can't see anythign at night, logic would suggest for me to up my gamma so i can see.
My gamma is fine, seeing a black spec, in a black sky isnt easy
I dunno about other droners, but i find my meatsack warning system seems busted. if someone or something finds my body, I'm dead, end of story, the warning I get is the "pick a generep" message.
You get blood spec's on your screen, there easy to notice, press escape and stealth, not full proof, but works alot of the time
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
It’s the whole 'skill' which needs reworking.
I just find it amusing everyone’s like
Yes drones are hard to kill when they’re above the clipping plain
Particle drones and the various new drones CAN'T SHOOT BEYOND THE CLIPPING PLANE, unless your talking about the seriously uber GAL3000 with its massive damage and super long range, clearly its the scourge of all poor defenceless capped tanks and p.e's.
Yes droners are hard to kill when they're hidden well
That’s the point of being a droner.
Yes droners are hard to kill when the game doesn’t register your hits and the drone’s location
Has less to do with drones and more to do with KK's net code and engine, but lets just nerf droners to be sure.
Yes droners are even harder to kill when its night time
Try spotting a SH wielding spy at night or any other long distance class for that matter, and those little yellow particle beams give absolutely no indication of the drones position, no sir.
Yes we don’t have any aiming reticule
Neither do monks, and if were talking about why, its a highly tuned piece of electronics with a little gun, its not like your holding a weapon in your hand and trying to line up a shot, which is what the reticule attempts to emulate.
Yes if you are in the open and are a tank/pe who cannot stealth you will always die
Yes if you are in an enclosed space and are a droner who is foolishly trying to kill something you will always die. The great outdoors is the droners element, as someone said before; adapt or die. I don’t go into PP and try to go toe to toe with a devourer tank, you shouldn’t be running round in the open like a headless chicken screaming expletives about those "damn overpowered droners"
Yes we can get to unreachable places with a hover-tech and launch drones making us invulnerable
Again more to do with KK's game mechanics than anything else but because it’s a droner lets nerf them, its not like snipers do that too. (I’ve even seen tanks on top of the MB cliff sniping with a Ryker lazercannon back in the day). If you’re so concerned about these serious exploits put the massive sum of 25 points into vehicle, climb that cliff and express your displeasure by killing the person. Or report them.
BUT WHERE NOT OVERPOWERED! - HONEST!
And your not a Troll, at best id simply call you ignorant but ill settle for welcoming you to my ignore list, have a good day.
Clownst0pper
20-02-04, 01:52
And your not a Troll, at best id simply call you ignorant but ill settle for welcoming you to my ignore list, have a good day.
Is this community hiring retards?
Are people reading?
MY DRONER IS TWO LEVELS FROM CAP AND I PLAY HER ALL THE TIME, AND I THINK THEY ARE OVER POWERED
Nivag, take your head out your arse you cock. And the comments I put were comments other people had said over the thread, obviously you are not reading, just showing the maturity of a 2 year old pre pube.
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
Im all for a challenge, but when 3 out of my 4 characters are 100% useless against them, something is seriously wrong.
Then you need to work on 3/4 of your characters :p
From what I've heard tho, drone damage is a bit nerfed on the TS atm. Also, if a single player can't beat a drone, why not get the clan on the horn? I mean, after all, you're fighting a droner AND his drone. So while you tackle a drone, you can have friends looking for the meat sack.
Here's how fighting a drone works:
- If you're a PE, you better stealth, get behind the drone and fire at it or just ignore it and go after the droner.
- If you're a Rifle Spy, you better stealth and find the droner.
- If you're a Pistol Spy, you better stealth and find the droner.
- If you're a tank, don't run. Running is 100% death. If you actually FIRE at the drone, you have a chance.
- If you're an APU, heh, good luck.
- If you're a PPU... my drone might as well be a sewer fly.
If you run, you *might* be able to outrange the droner, unless it's a Particle Nemesis. I get almost 30,000 yard range on that and can cover an entire zone. The Raptor and Mosquito I get about 8,000 yards on, so they can be out ranged, but putting your back to a drone and running in a straight line is just suicide.
Drone damage is probably getting nerfed. Stop bitching, we already still have enough bugs (tapping a wall sends you flying in another direction 10x the momentum you had, getting stuck in trees, etc).
MY DRONER IS TWO LEVELS FROM CAP AND I PLAY HIM ALL THE TIME, AND I DON'T THINK THEY ARE OVER POWERED
People are reading. Just because they don't agree with you doesn't make you right or wrong. Newsflash, IT'S YOUR OPINION and it's one among hundreds. Who cares how strongly you feel about it, it's just an opinion. I could post all day on issues I think should be change in Neocron, but all you can do is throw your two cents out there and hope someone runs with it all the way to KK. Chill out dude.
I never believe the statements like: "I play this all the time and i want it nerfed :)"
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
Hover Techs can get up any hill.
As I said earlier this is a bad argument. As long as you bring forward "over-powering problems" that you can easily counter by skilling some vhc or t-c to get stealth you are not doing your cause much good.
Movement of drones and how their position is updated is a "real" problem and its something that needs to be looked into.
Originally posted by Disturbed021
PE and Spy have stealth that they can use to get the drone off of their ass while they search for the meatsack.
A tank should be able to last long enough to find shelter or the droner.....so why are you bitchin again?
They finally made droners viable and you want them nerfed cause ur too lazy to run around the zone to find them?
:wtf: :rolleyes:
old reply but i dont give a shit....
Why the fuck should a class _have_ to run of from a drone? *note* a drone isnt even a person and they dont carry one drone either
Why the fuck should ppl have to exploit every last shitty polygon of a zone to find a fucking droner, which at the same time, has the ACTUAL FUCKING DRONE BEHIND U DOING MEGA DAMAGE CONSIDERING THEY ARENT A FUCKING REAL PERSON.....where i can go, they can go its as simple as fucking that dude so wot a stupid comment u made was :wtf:
Q`alooaith
20-02-04, 02:33
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
So yes, ive had every class. And work bloody hard to get the right setups and resists. I am afterall playing a game for that reason? Wrong?
Hell I've done pretty much the same, I had a tank, spent a fair ammount with a pistol PE, a short time with rifle PE (like my rifle spy more currently) APU/PPU and hybrid monks, pistol spy, though didn't cap, rerolled to a rifle spy recently, love them sniper rifles..
Though I play for fun now, rather than trying to be the best at fighting everyone else and be a kill all king of the hill, I play to have fun, crack some skull's and fight at op war's before I cap.. BTW, rifle spy before cap at op war's can be realy funny, sniper rifle in hand people who's health dip too low often find themselves worshiping the sun...
I think I'm going to make a PvM posion resist droner next though, maybe roll up a pistol spy again, but stay in MC5 newbi and tradskill, I can tell you staying in MC5 is fun..
BTW, I rerolled my APU, with all his best gear still on him, that's a psyco kami chip, 3 DS parts and a psi core +psi attack 1, 2 and two 3 chips, along with exp psi 1, 2 and 3 chips and APU pa 1, 2 and 3...
Oh and over 2 million nc's, after giving another 1 away to people I met as walking along..
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
Please inform me oh wise one how im suppose to do this when its dark - And I cannot see the drone, where it is, wheres its flying from, or how to even target it.
And in the day time, the same rules apply, as most often they are higher than a clipping plane, and move too fast to target.
Listen, I play a fucking droner shit loads, and fundamentally they are just overpowered in the sense of invulnerable
easy. raise brightness on screen.
either that or don't go out at night :D
while i dunt think droners are overpowered at all, i do agree with some of teh points:
1.) the "impossible to get to places" - yeah its annoying but wut can u do... if i'm on my monk or tank and see situation like that i just say fuck it and zone; but then again people with fast targetting ranged weaps might do well in that regard... (namely that laser cannon thingy) but dunno havent tried) Also.. kk needs to fix reset points (namely at MB and crp and some other zones) so u dont get dropped off on some cliff that is a bitch to get up do... cuz thats how lots of droners i'v seen get to those places...
2.) the mini hitbox thing: yeah i do think hit boxes need to be increased alittle but then again as someone else said u end up bouncing around dungeons and shit... so thats a bad thing... maybe make em not jet black but like light up a bit more? or maybe a smoother netcode so the drones dont seem like they're clipping through shit (its fucking annoying)
3.) shooting above the clipping plane: actually thats not entirely true... unless u have fog on and stuff... i play with no fog and i can see anythign shooting at me... only thing i cant see is when a drone clips... then i try to follow the direction the shot came from... so i guess this point goes back to number 2...
In my experience as a droner (had 3; made 1; deleted; made another; lommed to rifles, then pistols, then melee, and now back to drones) the best way to kill one good droner is with another droner... and dont try to kill the drones... just shoot em abit to get em disoriented... then go look for the meatsack.
Disturbed021
20-02-04, 04:44
Originally posted by alig
old reply but i dont give a shit....
Why the fuck should a class _have_ to run of from a drone? *note* a drone isnt even a person and they dont carry one drone either
Why the fuck should ppl have to exploit every last shitty polygon of a zone to find a fucking droner, which at the same time, has the ACTUAL FUCKING DRONE BEHIND U DOING MEGA DAMAGE CONSIDERING THEY ARENT A FUCKING REAL PERSON.....where i can go, they can go its as simple as fucking that dude so wot a stupid comment u made was :wtf:
hmmm yes ur comments are much more brilliant than mine:rolleyes: are you even speaking english?
I simply replied to the threadstarter who was bitching about not having a defense to drones.
a. shoot the drone down
b. find the droner and kill him
c. stealth and search for droner or leave
d. find shelter, there are many buildings, caves, bunkers, etc were a person can chill and heal, call for back-up or whatever. most of you are acting like there is nothing but flat land all around the wastelands.
e. stand around like a twat, die and come to the forums to bitch about it.
Its already been said by like 20 ppl DRONES ARE TOO HARD TO
TARGET AT THE MOMENT AND NEED TO BE EASIER TO TARGET.
Shadow Dancer
20-02-04, 05:29
I agree, droners are overpowered. That or teetering on the edge of it. The only reason i barely mention it or make threads about it, is because there's like 2 droners per server lol. But they still deserve to be alot less high maintenance.
Its already been said by like 20 ppl DRONES ARE TOO HARD TO TARGET AT THE MOMENT AND NEED TO BE EASIER TO TARGET.
the hitboxes are ok, they have done a lot of work on that. but look -- you will not be able to kill a drone with every wepon type. you need something that targets very fast.
First of all, theres no way for a pistol PE to take down a drone, same goes for HC and melee tanks. If you do get one or two shot it wont bring it down. Drones can take a shitload of bashing for some odd reason.
And not everyone is able to get away from a drone. All PEs and spys doesn't use tealth, and as far as i know tanks can't use it either. And i'd jusst love to see a tank trying to find a droner in a whole zone, while hes being bashed by a PN. And even if he DOES find the meatsack, chances are that the droner will stealth and jusst find another place to hide.
drones are laggy as fcuk :) u get a good aim on em and o wait there over the other side of the map....... i didnt no drones can do that......
u see a drone = find the droner + run!!
Hi,
IMO ...
-> too many people are going to be a droner
-> too many use the droner advantages too often so it ends in grief play
-> KK will nerf the droners back to stone age (much less range etc.)
-> Winning class joiners will reroll to another class
-> the losers of all this are the real droners who stay
I agree that the droners are a bit overpowered atm, so balanching them should be done by reviewing only the changes that have been introduced with the last patch.
Another thing is the lag. IMO its the reason why drones dont get down.
Ive been off to the TS and done some testing VS drones, and they do a lot of damage , even when you stand with a CS at pointblank and fire on it. Did this a few times, when the drone wasnt moving, lost around 100hp, when the drone was moving much more (over 50% hp, well under 10% resists on this char too) , because the way a drone moves is laggy and jumpy, and until now I wasnt really aware of this, and hadnt even experienced it. The drone hitbox is much smaller than most ingame objects and when the droner is really going for it its like trying to hit those annoying roaches. And this is point blank range...
By flying a revenge into the target first, if the droner manages to take out the legs he's at a severe advantage, if not, he's still got an edge because the target is quite severely damaged.
Also about hiding, even if they dont use bugs, and you know where they are, the problem is the time taken to get there under the new firepower of drones (especially if you somehow manage to lose your legs) is often too long. In some zones, ive seen droners use mobs as additional cover. *Ive done some running around popular zones and compared them to the time it takes a drone to kill me, and the drone was doing far better than my high ath/agil tank*
Oh... and even stealthing like a whore (my new 'in testing' drone tactic, not that im proud :() the drone does substantial damage and because of his overview of the scenario, he can see me quickly when im out of stealth, and AFAIK (plz correct me if wrong) drones dont lock with a ret, its pretty much point-click in the seconds im out of stealth and those things hurt now, but its been a while since ive droned so I dont quite remember.
I think the boosts were just too much, I know they needed one, they were rather laughable before in combat terms, but its just gone too far. Please note im absolutely not proposing to nerf them through the floor in one blow, I think knocking the boost back to a minimum and then slowly incrimenting it would be more effective, like boosts should be done.
Like PPUs. They require different thinking. If I see a drone (I normally look to skies as well) the first thing I do is avoid it from seeing me.
After that I watch the drone, see where it comes from/goes to. Thanks to the problems getting them made many droners are reluctant to just drop the drone and picked it up stealthed. This gives thier position away (even though a lot use tricks to hide thier body when launching).
Once you find the meat sack the droner is good as dead. Just wait for them to launch another drone then go in and kill them.
The drone is only dangerous when the meatsack is alive.
The only real threat are capped droners, with Riggers loadout. They can launch from top left of a zone and get to the bottom right with ease.
Clownst0pper
20-02-04, 12:36
easy. raise brightness on screen.
Ill never do that, as I say, I consider it cheating.
The only real threat are capped droners, with Riggers loadout. They can launch from top left of a zone and get to the bottom right with ease.
My own has that setup.
I agree, droners are overpowered. That or teetering on the edge of it. The only reason i barely mention it or make threads about it, is because there's like 2 droners per server lol. But they still deserve to be alot less high maintenance.
Thats why im putting it now rather than later
I think the boosts were just too much, I know they needed one, they were rather laughable before in combat terms, but its just gone too far.
In some sense, The PN and Mosquito after all are rare drones, we cant forget that.
I know how to avoid drones, But its the fact that if, just if I can hit one, I still have to find there body. I have zero way of being to find them.
Originally posted by Shadow Dancer
I agree, droners are overpowered. That or teetering on the edge of it. The only reason i barely mention it or make threads about it, is because there's like 2 droners per server lol. But they still deserve to be alot less high maintenance.
At the last big opfight i had i permanently had at least 1 drone in my local list. But i got stealth, so i just left the op for some minutes and killed 4 of the meatsacks. :p
And still there were more drones roaming around. Those things are fucking mean!
Also the graves are polluted with noob droners powerleveling up. Well i guess the difference is that i play on a 4 char server....
In in-game meters, what are the dimensions of a zone, anyone know?
Simple fix make drones firing range 25m and up there armour... done
I have just gone through the whole thread and will try to express my view shortly. If there is an issue at present with drones, it is the bugs... not the damage output, not the range, not the skill of the handful of droners on each servers who are making sure that the class has been pushed to its limits before or after un-nerfing.
The bugs are numerous on the droner's side and of course, clownstopper, who has played a droner for a while and knows the intricacies of the class, knows them. No need to go in details there. The bugs on the non-droner side are also numerous:
- wrong labelling: the drone appears as from another faction or clan and no-one thinks anything of it when it starts friendly fire ... until you are dead
- lag: for whatever reason, drones are lagging more than other moving elements of the game. That causes clipping issues for the drone but it also makes them more difficult to target. Being hovertech type of technologies, drones have curvy movements, which in fact should make them easier to target
- distance 'fog': drones can go VERY high... and thus escape ut of view
All these are programmers issues, not balancing issues.
Now on your initial example, clownstopper, it seems that you chose the wrong options to be able to fight this droner and died (I am not sure it doesn't really say). Fine, that happens to droners who are not well-hidden all the time, too.
EDIT; and I forgot... as per my avatar, my droner is my main, and I play on Venus (until recently a one slot server)
Clownst0pper
20-02-04, 13:23
Now on your initial example, clownstopper, it seems that you chose the wrong options to be able to fight this droner and died (I
My droner didnt die, I died to one. On my private eye, who has no ability to escape them and succesfully find them
That is what I understood. Read again... i guess a , is missing somewhere.
•Super|\|ova•
20-02-04, 13:39
I don't think they are that overpowered. It's just ppl really have hard time to get used to them since they finally became viable.
@Elric: omg! I just realized that it's Thundercats logo in your avatar :lol: *snarf* ;)
Some of you talk like all droners are exploiters. o_O
Even if a droner finds a place to hide that cant be reached easily, he also cant reach it easily (droning needs alot of time) and he still cant take out whole groups...you cant call some single runner killing overpowered. Everybody is still able to shoot the drone, and you know that once you hit it the screen goes snow for the droner and shield does cost alot of energy...
Yes there are some bugs with drones in netcode and elsewhere, but there are also damn annoying bugs for the droner himself he has to deal with.
Stealther, PPUs and people with good aiming are droner's nightmare. Dont tell me there is nothing against them and they dominate every other class...they are still the worst and circumstantial class to play. And as long as they can be seen on people list, they cant hide very well...if someone exploits positions that others cant reach without exploiting as well, it it sure wrong and has to be investigated by KK, but i doubt that so many droners are doing this simply because there arent so many. ;)
And well, every runner except ppu beeing on his own is living in danger!!! Only because droners never could do anything against others it doesnt mean that you still dont have to take them serious.
Clownst0pper
20-02-04, 14:07
Some of you talk like all droners are exploiters.
They are, in many respects I do it also.
Get your hovertech, get on the highest hill possible, Hey presto, no one can reach you, but its piss to fly your drones up and down to yours.
There is one droner @ cycrow, I wont say his name, he has his droner logged out in a tree, on the highest hill there.
He comes every so often when he fancy's a PK. and unless we have monks online, we leave him to it, and usually he takes down lots of people.
So yes, Alot of droners do 'exploit' in a loose sense of the word.
Stealther, PPUs and people with good aiming are droner's nightmare.
Ive got damn good aim, you ever tried hitting one while its vertically above you, and moving? its almost impossible.
Everybody is still able to shoot the drone, and you know that once you hit it the screen goes snow for the droner and shield does cost alot of energy...
Well there its common that most people when shooting a droner stand still, so in that fact, even when your drone is hit and the screen goes fuzzy, u just keep pressing fire, and for some reason it keeps hitting them.
:rolleyes:
•Super|\|ova•
20-02-04, 14:41
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
They are, in many respects I do it also.
Get your hovertech, get on the highest hill possible, Hey presto, no one can reach you, but its piss to fly your drones up and down to yours.
There is one droner @ cycrow, I wont say his name, he has his droner logged out in a tree, on the highest hill there.
He comes every so often when he fancy's a PK. and unless we have monks online, we leave him to it, and usually he takes down lots of people.
So yes, Alot of droners do 'exploit' in a loose sense of the word.
WTF dude? You're saying that using a vehicle to get to some spot where you can't get by running and jumping it's an exploit? :lol: That's one of the most retarded exploit theories I've ever heard.
Originally posted by •Super|\|ova•
WTF dude? You're saying that using a vehicle to get to some spot where you can't get by running and jumping it's an exploit? :lol: That's one of the most retarded exploit theories I've ever heard.
What he said.
Clownst0pper
20-02-04, 15:03
WTF dude? You're saying that using a vehicle to get to some spot where you can't get by running and jumping it's an exploit? That's one of the most retarded exploit theories I've ever heard
I am purely talking about hovertechs, as a vehicle they shouldnt be able to scale verticle cliffs, it doesnt make sense, sure hills, but a verticle mountain that is stupidly high is rediculous.
Hovertechs are designed like land speeders, meant for smooth roads to get quickly to one place to another, not to scale a mountain so others cant get to u.
Get real :mad:
•Super|\|ova•
20-02-04, 15:16
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
I am purely talking about hovertechs, as a vehicle they shouldnt be able to scale verticle cliffs, it doesnt make sense, sure hills, but a verticle mountain that is stupidly high is rediculous.
Hovertechs are designed like land speeders, meant for smooth roads to get quickly to one place to another, not to scale a mountain so others cant get to u.
Get real :mad:
It's fully logical that with hovertec you can reach places that you can't reach otherwise since hovertec is the fastest way to move and it doesn't touch the ground at all so friction does not appear at all either. Think about it, the faster your vehicle can move the more vertical places you can climb up. I think it's your turn to get real :rolleyes:
Well, get a hovertec yourself and kill him. Good idea, isnt it? ;)
I agree that somehow it is unlogical to get that high with a hovertec, but i dont really mind. And as soon as there are Gliders and other flying stuff it will get usual to use the mountains anyway. And bomb dropping gliders might be much harder to kill than any drone.
First, the hovertech doesnt say "CLASS: DRONER SPY" on it for useage.
Second, if the hovertech shouldnt be allowed to get on top of a mountain, then address THAT problem rather than trying to associate that with droners. Spies with sniper rifles can get on top of a mountain as well, and you still wont be able to find them. :rolleyes:
Lana DarkWolf
20-02-04, 15:32
Not had time to read the whole thread yet, but all i can say is LOL!!!
how many people seriously thought they'd see an "omg nerf teh DRONES!!!" thread?
I just think they should be left as they are, adds a new style of fighting which i like. Droners though, most spots they hide in are kinda obvious ones, & if u find them there helpless.
Wheres the prob with that?
Sometimes I just have to wonder. Lets exchange the drone with a CS wielding tank you have a hard time to aim at (even if he is close by). The CS tank shoots at you, but you deal only little if not even no damage at all, because you miss. What do you do? Continue shooting at the tank or get the hell outta there? I've seen a drone flying around at CRP flatlining one runner and another and the next one ... guess what they did and guess what they should have done instead :P
And Clownstopper: As you already know the spot where he hides, why don't you just have one or two keeping the drone busy and another rips the droner apart? Btw. some hills can't be climbed in the current zone, but are easily reachable if you climb them in an adjacent zone ... besides when you are a droner yourself why don't kill the droner by using your droner-char?
Droners are viable now, they deal damage finally and can be quite an annoying pack :P But the more people start to know how to deal with them and where the good hiding spots are, the less powerful the droners will be, because the only protection a droner has is his drone and the choice of the hiding spot. To start "balancing" droners and their drones just because a droner causes havoc at a certain place ...
If a person uses a hovertech to drive up and cap the droner. Are they exploiting too?
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
I am purely talking about hovertechs, as a vehicle they shouldnt be able to scale verticle cliffs, it doesnt make sense, sure hills, but a verticle mountain that is stupidly high is rediculous.
Hovertechs are designed like land speeders, meant for smooth roads to get quickly to one place to another, not to scale a mountain so others cant get to u.
Get real :mad:
Interesting, never knew that. Where did you get those specs? Or did you make that up?
Clownst0pper
20-02-04, 18:08
Sorry but its fair knowledge, a hover tech is designed for fast trasnport, not scaling verticle mountains, its pretty shit when a rhino cant get up the tinyest of hills and then a hovertech can get up fucking anything.
Sorry but IMHO its exploiting, im sure KK never intended them to be used that way. Im positive on that one.
And no, I wont spec vehicle on my characters, just because 3 or 4 people feel the need to do the above act.
Here we go, another I got killed by class X I am Class Y and class Y should be the uber class type, and nerf class X type thread...O_o
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
Here we go. Ill start it, and everything I say is true, and it needs fucking sorting.
Its this simple.
===Droners are impossible to effectivly combat against now there damage is rock hard===
I have an almost capped droner, afew levels away, and after being killed by one today, ive finally realised what a joke the class is.
As a Private eye, or a tank I have zero way to combat them. I simply cannot cover an ENTIRE ZONE.
Learn to run faster, and look smarter then.
Lets take the military base zone as a good example. Its massive, and for one person, to find ones person on foot in that is beyond a joke. And all the while, the drone moves stupidly fast, has 100% accuracy, flys so high that its impossible to aim at them, and even worse when it is night time.
When its night time, finding a droner you have zero chance of doing it.
.
As I said learn to run faster, and look smarter then.
I know theyve only just got a boost, but imagine attempting to find a droner when the Power Armour is introduced and they are removed from the local list.
Sorry but there the most unfair class in the game, just because of the above facts, + its irrelevant if there bodys die quick if its so hard to find them.
As a tank/PE and spy we need a better way to combat them, as at the moment, If i see a droner while im out PKing I just leave, as its a needle in a hay stack, and if I do manage to kill the drone, they just launch another without consequance.
Sorry KK but uve fucked up big time, and I fucking have a mega high lvl droner! :mad:
Sounds like you need more WEP and better aiming skills
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
OK. I will spell it out.
How am I suppose to fight a class, which I cannot find, cannot target, cannot out run, and stealth being the only option?
As I said learn to run faster, get better aiming skills and look smarter.
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
Sorry but its fair knowledge, a hover tech is designed for fast trasnport, not scaling verticle mountains, its pretty shit when a rhino cant get up the tinyest of hills and then a hovertech can get up fucking anything.
Sorry but IMHO its exploiting, im sure KK never intended them to be used that way. Im positive on that one.
And no, I wont spec vehicle on my characters, just because 3 or 4 people feel the need to do the above act. Thats fine clownstopper. But this is a vehicle issue, not a droners are 100% overpowered issue.
I suggest lobbying for a hovertech fix rather than a droner nerf.
Clownst0pper
20-02-04, 18:43
As I said learn to run faster, get better aiming skills and look smarter.
Thankyou for adding zero to this thread apart from the obvious fact you have read none of my postings, or of other peoples.
I am not alone in thinking droners are over powered.
Nor do you seem to have read that I have a now capped droner, who is one of my main characters.
So yes, I know what im talking about.
It isnt a case of running faster, I cap my run speed.
It isnt a case of better aiming skills when the tinyest of drones is moving extrememly fast, and is verticle to my character, its rather hard to aim with a rifle. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.
And look smarter? There are no set places for a droner to hide, I can look in places which are typical but a good droner knows those and avoids them.
Covering an entire zone on foot while being shot is no easy task.
You obviously have no clue, fuck off my thread
Clownst0pper
20-02-04, 18:45
I suggest lobbying for a hovertech fix rather than a droner nerf.
others argued my point that droners dont use hovertechs to exploit and reach higher unnatural places.
It remains a valid point in this thread.
Droners, to avoid being found/hit, use a hovertech, which by all rights shouldnt be able to climb verticle mountains.
This is just one of the problems with 'droners'
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
others argued my point that droners dont use hovertechs to exploit and reach higher unnatural places.
It remains a valid point in this thread.
Droners, to avoid being found/hit, use a hovertech, which by all rights shouldnt be able to climb verticle mountains.
This is just one of the problems with 'droners' Snipers can do the same thing. Its not just droners.
And with droners they can do that OR they can just find somewhere clever you wouldnt think to look. If you cant find them quickly, you cant find them quickly regardless. And droners can zone, climb a mountain, then zone back and be somewhere that is unreachable in one zone but easily reachable in a different one.
So the "Droner is where I cant punch him" isnt a valid gripe about droners.
The problem isnt droners. The problem is the hovertech. If a droner can get there, so can you. End of story.
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
It isnt a case of better aiming skills when the tinyest of drones is moving extrememly fast, and is verticle to my character, its rather hard to aim with a rifle. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.So lets increase the hitbox of the drones then. Thats not a droner problem, thats a drone issue.
A lot of what you say clownstopper is NOT the droner themselves, its an aspect of droning. They wont remove the ENTIRE activity from the game, so might as well think of things to answer your specific grips.
Yes drones are hard to hit.
Now at the same time, have you tried to hit a pistol PE with your rifle when they are running around full bore lighting you up with their libby? Its also very hard for a rifle user to get a good lock on a PE moving real fast.
And look smarter? There are no set places for a droner to hide, I can look in places which are typical but a good droner knows those and avoids them.
Covering an entire zone on foot while being shot is no easy task.WHy should it be easy? This is part of fighting a good droner... if you cant find their body, then you leave.
I cant imagine WHAT you would want done, aside from removing all drones and the WPW and RCL skills from the game, to make it so its easier for you to find a droners body.
I hear your gripes. What are your proposed solutions?
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
Thankyou for adding zero to this thread apart from the obvious fact you have read none of my postings, or of other peoples.
I am not alone in thinking droners are over powered.
Nor do you seem to have read that I have a now capped droner, who is one of my main characters.
So yes, I know what im talking about.
It isnt a case of running faster, I cap my run speed.
It isnt a case of better aiming skills when the tinyest of drones is moving extrememly fast, and is verticle to my character, its rather hard to aim with a rifle. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.
I also know what I am talking about. I also know some good PE's, spies and tanks who have worked with me in delevoping a few tatics to take down drones, or staying alive.
And look smarter? There are no set places for a droner to hide, I can look in places which are typical but a good droner knows those and avoids them.
You said it, the smart droners advoids the set places, so you need to look smarter.
Covering an entire zone on foot while being shot is no easy task.
You obviously have no clue, fuck off my thread
Shoot back then, 2 things will happen, the drone dies or backs off.
I am a droner - have been for...lets see...for the last 6 months, so I have a good dam clue, and I'm capped.
I think the droners are just spot on at the moment.
And no I wont fuck off your thread.
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
Sorry but its fair knowledge, a hover tech is designed for fast trasnport, not scaling verticle mountains, its pretty shit when a rhino cant get up the tinyest of hills and then a hovertech can get up fucking anything.
Sorry but IMHO its exploiting, im sure KK never intended them to be used that way. Im positive on that one.
And no, I wont spec vehicle on my characters, just because 3 or 4 people feel the need to do the above act.
Omg and theres people saying Spec some vhc and go level because of the op lockdown now its a exploit to use my hovertec it hovers, the hill isnt really gonna effect it as it will just face upwards and get its lift of the floor of the hill :/....
So driving up the cliff is exploiting, so running up a cliff is? I mean wtf how can someone run up a cliff?? walk maybe but i dont see him with Advanced Heavy Climbing boots and his 5 Slot Tangent Grappling Hook O_o
There are whiners in any game , but neocron leads em all by far;)
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
Sorry but its fair knowledge, a hover tech is designed for fast trasnport, not scaling verticle mountains, its pretty shit when a rhino cant get up the tinyest of hills and then a hovertech can get up fucking anything.
Sorry but IMHO its exploiting, im sure KK never intended them to be used that way. Im positive on that one.
And no, I wont spec vehicle on my characters, just because 3 or 4 people feel the need to do the above act. Oh, I also wanted to point out that the droner had to spec vehicle to be able to use the hovertech to begin with. Its not like YOU have to spec vehicle but the droner gets it for free.
And if 3 or 4 people do it, that hardly warrants a call that droners are 100% overpowered.
If you think they shouldnt be able to get up there via hovertech, then lets change the hovertech.
Darth Slayer
20-02-04, 19:05
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
You get blood spec's on your screen, there easy to notice, press escape and stealth, not full proof, but works alot of the time
Thats bugged by the way 2/3rds of the time you don't get that warning.
Stop whining droners are not over powered.
Originally posted by Strych9
Oh, I also wanted to point out that the droner had to spec vehicle to be able to use the hovertech to begin with. Its not like YOU have to spec vehicle but the droner gets it for free.
It's only something like what? 12? 7? points. The thread bike can do the same as the hovertec.
Droner gets it for free? Since when?
Originally posted by Archeus
It's only something like what? 12? 7? points. The thread bike can do the same as the hovertec.
Droner gets it for free? Since when? They dont. But the way clownstopper was going on about the hovertech you would think that every droner starts with one and they dont have to spec any points for em. :rolleyes:
{I said 'its *not* like you have to spec for them and the droner gets it for free}
Also, if you see the blood drops then the only reason why you would want to press the escape is either to kill a spider biting ur boot or to write down the name of the attacker and to choose the respawn location ;)
Darth Slayer
20-02-04, 19:14
Originally posted by Babai
Also, if you see the blood drops then the only reason why you would want to press the escape is either to kill a spider biting ur boot or to write down the name of the attacker and click on the respawn button ;)
Heh if I actually get the bloodspots I can 2/3rds of the time stealth and get away. Only times I don't get away is A : I get the 3rd person nerfed drone view bug when I press escape.
B: It's a devourer using Tankeh/or HL using Monkeh.
Anyway Clownst0pper I been droning 13+ months u been doing what a couple of weeks so you don't obviously know what your talking about so please STOP WHINE.
Originally posted by Darth Slayer
B: It's a devourer using Tankeh/or HL using Monkeh.
B has a very strong probability lately. :)
I think your problem can be solved by giving a higher SI degradation after a drone is destroyed. As for PKing at places like MB, it's just normal. Droners are only usefull at OP wars and wastland areas which are populated. There is no use for droing in a sector like A08, because only a few soules pass thru there in a day, so the droner which feels like PKing, won't go to PP1 neofrag and attack someone in a 2x2 m^3 area, but he'll choose a wide... open... HUGE area like wastland areas are. And if he does he knows that the only places you can be sure that are populated are j01/2/tg canyon/cycrow/etc./. If KK listened to you, than the best place for a droner to PK [if thats his style of playing] is... and I mean... nowhere. As for the drones going high into the skies during the night... yes I'm one of those people who's imperative is that it's black where it's meant to be, so if I get into a situation like that I force the monitor's birghtness [takes 5 secs]. OFC that's not enough... but droners a practicly useless for PKing unless it's an OP war and you know from which side the enemy is coming from so you can decide if theyr going to GR from the south you can hide your droner somewhere in the northern parts of the map.
what I'm trying to basicly say is... leave it as it is now.
also, droners are easy to kill. but it's not only that, my droner has a PA, a belt, implant gel, 4 PB, 4 kamikaze drones. so when I die, unlike other classes who only need to get a few imps back in, I drop the drone I was using then, I most likely drop a PA or another drone [thats 2 drones and they aren't cheap to produce, since you need to tip (not to mention the parts)].
[EDIT: Never mind, I won't even bother commenting on something such stupid as a statement saying that droners are 100% overpowered.]
EDIT 2: On the other hand:
Yes drones are hard to kill when there above the clipping plain
Yes droners are hard to kill when There hidden well
Yes droners are hard to kill when the game doesnt register your hits and the drones location
Yes droners are even harder to kill when its night time
Yes we dont have any aiming reticle
Yes if you are in the open and are a tank/pe who cannot stealth you will always die
Yes we can get to unreachable places with a hover-tech and launch drones making us invulnerable
BUT WHERE NOT OVERPOWERED! - HONEST!
BUT HOW EASY IS IT FOR US TO KILL ANYTHING BIGGER THAN A #¤%#"¤!#¤ ROACH?!?!?!?!
IT IS BALANCED IN COMPARISON WITH THE DAMAGE!!!!
FFS, go whine about spies instead. They are overpowered more then if you use "drones cannot be hit" argument. A good spy with stealth is as much unhittable as a drone if he/she uses a somewhat long range weapon, and as annoying as a droner. SO NERF THE SPIES THEN?!?
I've said it before. THE "DRONES CANNOT BE HIT" ARGUMENT ISN'T VALID.
CAPISCH?
As I said in another thread:
Now I'm talking pure PvP here:
The argument reffering to drones being hard to hit, is not a valid one.
With my combat spy (now tradeskiller), I shot at people from a great distance. When they saw me or came to close I just stealthed and moved. Rinse and repeat.
1. I almost never got hit.
2. I was annoying.
3. I hardly died (if it wasn't to my own stupidity like trying to take on MeGaMaN 1on1).
From MY point of view my combat spy was overpowered then, if you claim that drones being hard to hit justifies low damage.
The only people capable of hitting me was basically other spies with long range weapons. Even then, if I took one hit I moved.
It seems I fail to see the difference. If you can kill people with them having a great deal of trouble hitting you, isn't it the same thing regardless of what class/weapon one is talking about?
Bob Monkhouse
20-02-04, 19:45
One or two of the long term droners in this game could have told you a LONG time ago that drones can be LETHAL in the right hands. Unfortunately the bugs/glitches issues, time and effort involved in sustaining a capped droner and the lack of variety in our rares always held us back.
Previously it needed a great deal of skill, forethought and tactics to squeeze every last ounce of potential from droning. If you could master droning in the old days, you would ALWAYS kill tanks, nonstealth PE's and spies provided you engaged them on your terms. ALWAYS. I said this many times when people wrote threads saying they couldn't kill anyone with drones. I have NEVER had a problem killing the aforementioned classes. I also have a good go at killing stealthers, which requires a LOT of practice at following the blue haze and anticipating your enemy's actions. If I caught an APU unawares I could often kill them too unless they were skilled and had fought a drone before.( rather than standing still looking around with a blank face, as many people do when confronted with a PN for the first time).
The problem before (APART from Bugs, cost and no variety) was that the parameters within which a droner would win was too narrow. It took a lot of practice and thought to be a good droner, and even then you were limited to being effective mainly when you could control the battle by setting the location and conditions (such as time of day;) )
Now, all that has happened is that droners have a slightly expanded envelope to operate within. They are far from overpowered. Frankly clown, the changes have not really given me personally a huge boost. As I said, I could kill all the classes you mention BEFORE the boost anyway.
People ALWAYS regarded drones as a joke, until they were killed by one a few times when the started to develop some respect for them and work out tactics to defeat the droner. The fact is that some droners are good and will adapt along with you, the same way people adapt to ALL classes behaviour. Adapt or die. (This goes for droners too:) )
if you are serious about nerfing drones then first:
*remove the flash when drones are hit (one hit, even with holy para makes us blind.. rof 105 from those spells makes us blind = not able to shoot)
*nerf the stealth (there's NO WAY a droner can kill a stealther, and the stealther will ALWAYS find the body before someone is able to kill him)
*remove droners from local (weakest spot.. body is easy to find)
*give the drones the ability to aim straight down (if someone walks under you you cant hit him)
so if you read the above you will see that droners arent THAT overpowered.. you should check both sides, since you are claiming to be a droner you SHOULD know this. oh:
and if I do manage to kill the drone, they just launch another without consequance.
if your drone gets hit you DO get a consequence.. 5% synap to be exact :rolleyes:
I left Neocron last June and at that time I didn't like drones very much, nor do I now that I returned last month.
When I left, the Gang droner party that lullysing mentioned earlier was the nemesis of Pimp. And they had the same problems they have now, only now the drones are even stronger.
As everyone has mentioned, they move to fast, they have insta-aim, they can fly so high in the sky they hit you 3-4 times before you even see where you are being attacked from due to the angle of attack being so high.
I don't understand why drones get insta-aim. Any droner I have encountered has never had a problem strafing and firing at its target. All the while, you're(PE) trying to close your reticle on your 250%+ aiming Pain Easer and the cute little drone just keeps scooting around firing at you.
Most combatants don't have the luxury of strafing, keeping reticle locked on a target the size of a mosquito flying around on speed! So you take a moment to stand still and attempt to target the drone, get a shot off...... And wallah! you managed to take about 1/10 of the drones health off, while the drone has managed to take about 1/2 your health off.
That is something I noticed the other nite in an op war was that the drone took much less dmg than it did last June.
But I have another thread to post regarding how the game is all fubar anyways. =P
BlackPrince
20-02-04, 22:34
Hehe shizzu. I can just hear the command over TS "Drones up, coverage good"
It was impressive, between us and Legion we ruled the skies. Then in order to 'fix' the untargetable drones they enlarged the hitboxs, once they did the real fix on untargetable drones, the forgot to reduce the hitbox, thus making drones have huge hitboxes and be easier to target.
Drones did need a boost. Because you've gotten lazy, stupid, and careless doesn't mean they need to nerfed.
NCF droners always go up to CRP to play tag. With an organized group they're normally found within 10 minutes at the most. Sure by then a lot of the unwary have died, but its not too hard to find cover.
Same goes for MB. When I was a little citymerc Gaudhand used to rain hell fire with his drones on us. Drones inside closed spaces are normally dead drones, unless its a very, very skilled droner.
A tank with a speedgat can take out a drone no prob if its in medium to close range, carry along a plasma wave for higher flying drones and you're good to go.
I love it when people complain that something is a challenge, and it never suprises me who the loudest of the whiners are.
read my drone idea you should like it
First let me say that I play a droner since the beginning on Venus,and it has been my only character so far (i only recently started a tank since the server got a 2nd slot). So those of you playing it as a 2nd or 3rd char for a few weeks (or worse, those who play some other class and say they cant do anything against a droner) cant begin to understand how frustrating it is, having to run away or die every single time you make a bad encounter, and basically never being able to fight back. Actually, I dont remember ever killing someone besides during Outpost fights (but I am not a professional PKer)... oh yes, once I killed a droner who attacked my group while we were killing warbots... :) Anyway, let me summarize the possible situations and their outcome:
1. Droner encounters any other class in Pepper or some other indoors area : stealthy droner (but he cant if he really wants the uber damage) or dead droner.
2. Droner encounters any other class outside and the other guy sees him first : see 1. Note that all the other guy has to do is aim and press the trigger of his CS or whatever weapon he has.
3. Droner encounters any other class outside and the droner sees the other first. The droner must still run for cover, launch his drone and find the target (which isnt always easy, especially if the droner wants to hide his meat faraway, since the target might have moved and its easy to get lost without a map). And then most opponents will still have a reasonable chance to run away and zone or fight back, if they play well.
I guess the problem come from droners who just pick some nifty spot and then PK like crazy. Well, dunno how it is on Saturn, but on Venus, which isnt as densely populated, you'd really need lots of patience for that kind of tactics. So I think its only fair that the guy who waited 2 hours to see an enemy without even being able to chat (because he'll be flying the drone all the while to make sure he doesnt miss the target) deserves an easy kill on the first unlucky victim :)
Now drones do a little more damage, so they might actually be able to kill someone before he or she runs away. So what? I dont think its necessary to nerf drones because of a few PKers abusing of their advantages. If I had cried for a tank nerf everytime my droner got blasted in Pepper...
Dostan'Ilindith
24-02-04, 18:52
clownstopper dont be a fuckwit. they are strong in thei element as every class is. if a tank meets a droner nose to nose, then the tank is in his element. and who wins?
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