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Nightbrother
19-02-04, 13:55
Howdy!
I talked a bit to Gleep a couple days ago, and that guy has a steady undrugged rank of /75. That rank would suggest that he had (75-60)= 15 ranks above what would be the total cap without drugs and imps. Those 15 ranks equal 75 ability points, and from my calcs it is impossible to get 75 extra ability points, even if you have all 4 MC5 chips in.
Long ago, there was talk of people not losing their /ranks when LoM'ing and losing a stat number (INT, DEX and so on), but this was supposedly fixed in a later patch. Reefsmoker talked about this long ago. Another possibility are the epics... do they add numbers to your /ranks?
Gleep has done 8 epics, so his uber /75 rank would suggest that epics may indeed have something to do with it. Do someone know anything about this?
i think theres a hidden 6th stat which you can only lvl with missions...
i noticed that when i did like 500 research missions and sometimes i heared this "bing" sound , got a rank up but didnt have any points to share o_O
who knows.. maybe we`ll see this 6th stat with doy 8| :p
.cy
It's the sixth statline that only levels via missions. (The *ping* you hear, when sometimes completing a mission, even if none of your normal five stats gained a level)
EDIT: too sl0w :o
Nightbrother
19-02-04, 14:06
Yes, that sounds very interesting and plausible, since people doing epics get quite a great number of xp in all skills when completing them.
*Runs off to do a ba-zillion missions*
i can get a rank of 66/72 when i take my filter heart 2 out and thru calculations my 6th stat is at 26, anyone know the cap of the 6th stat line? oh btw im a tank! for those who dont already know
Nightbrother
19-02-04, 14:10
Hmmm, it might be possible for it to go all the way to 100, but with the mission xp you get lvl'ing ranks above 20 will take quite a while. Getting to 40 even would take forever.
I'm glad I now know what takes some people's ranks to /70+. Thanks for the info. :)
Cruzbroker
19-02-04, 14:32
My friend's tank is capped (98 con) and his rank is only /63! My tank's at 90str 86con and his rank is already /61 ... Weird. I think it comes from old patches, his tank's been there since last summer. And they've fixed it to go /68 like other classes rank when capped.
I've also heard of missions/epics raising rank, and the extra ping pongs.. Not sure what to believe..
Getting to 40 even would take forever.
Getting to 40 takes about 700 Very Hard research missions, or 2100 Duranium 3 vest BPs. At 20 seconds per BP, assuming no failures, it will take about 12 hours to make 2100 BPs. Time to run 700 missions will vary, depending on drop-off point and time to get a Duranium 3 vest mission, from 45 seconds to five minutes. Figure 3 minutes on average, so another 35 hours. Figure 50 hrs total.
Takes about two weeks of 25hr/week play to get to 40 in all mainstats and the hidden stat, a little less time than "forever".
My skill rank varies between 68 and 69 (69 when I have a glove on). All my Psi was done via missions, therefore I have a minimum 20 levels in the hidden stat. Doing the math:
Capped mainstats: 300 mainstat points
SF (10), SS (10), Adv Nerves 3 (8), FH1 (3), Spy PA3 (12) : 43 mainstat points
- or -
SF (10), SS (10), Adv Nerves 3 (5-3 = 2), FH1 (-3), Spy PA 3 (6-6=0): 19 mainstat points
- or -
SF (10), SS(10, Adv Nerves (5), Spy PA3 (6) = 31 mainstat points
Last time I checked, skill rank was the absolute value of all the mainstat bonuses your imps/armor did plus the sum of your mainstats. It's possible they fixed it, but I don't think so.
So here's what I could be:
(300 + 43 + 20)/5 = 72.8
(300 + 43)/5 = 68.8
(300 + 19 + 20)/5 = 67.8
(300 + 19)/5 = 63.8
I don't know if the NC engine rounds Skill Rank numbers up or down. If it doesn't round, then there's no hidden stat as the absolute value of all my bonuses and mainstat sum, divided by 5, is my rank w/out my glove (68).
If it does round, then there's a hidden stat as 68.9 should round to 69 normally and 70 with a glove on. That I'm aware of the only time I've seen 70 or 71 is when drugged up.
I'm planning to start a PE and level him to at least 35 in all mainstats with Very Hard research missions, but it may be a month or two before I do it. I'll have to keep track of how his skill rank progresses.
Nightbrother
19-02-04, 14:37
Would it be possible for those of you who are capped totally, to do a bunch of missions to see if this theory holds true? I've a feeling it will, but it would be wonderful to have it proven. Gleep, if you're listening, go do missions, now! :)
Also, 700 very hard missions.... yikes.... have anyone ever done that many? Probably not, since PE's cap at 35 PSI and get PSI xp from teaming also.
Ah maybe this explains why my rank is 64 and my friends rank is 61 even though he has higher stats. Whilst he was selling his soul in Plaza 1 constructing , I was running Research missions constantly when we both started out.
I knew it'd be worth it in the end:D
Cruzbroker
19-02-04, 14:49
I did level my spys psi to 20 and he's about 93 int, 100 dex, but don't know about difference. /66 with SS, Motoric, Neural 3, Nerves 3 and str 2 heart + cst glove. (don't ask)
calculate this way: INT + STR + CON + DEX + PSI / 4.8 (or 4.7) "Teh Sixth" Might have something to do with these...
example: tank, 17 + 119 + 68 + 104 + 10 / 4.8 = 66.25 = /66
example2: PE, 65 + 63 + 97 + 66 + 35 / 4.8 = 67.9 = /68
example3: Monk, 110 + 12 + 35 + 42 + 121 / 4.8 = 66.7 = /67
Nightbrother
19-02-04, 14:56
Originally posted by Cruzbroker
I did level my spys psi to 20 and he's about 93 int, 100 dex, but don't know about difference. /66 with SS, Motoric, Neural 3, Nerves 3 and str 2 heart + cst glove. (don't ask)
calculate this way: INT + STR + CON + DEX + PSI / 4.8 (or 4.7) "Teh Sixth" Might have something to do with these...
example: tank, 17 + 119 + 68 + 104 + 10 / 4.8 = 66.25 = /66
example2: PE, 65 + 63 + 97 + 66 + 35 / 4.8 = 67.9 = /68
example3: Monk, 110 + 12 + 35 + 42 + 121 / 4.8 = 66.7 = /67
I'm tired and I may be blind, but why are you dividing the stat total by 4.8, and not 5, since there are 5 stats? If you divide the stat total by 5, and get more than you should, then "Teh Sixth" would be the hidden factor?
Cruzbroker
19-02-04, 15:07
64
65.2
63.6
Those come from 5, and I'm sure you get at least /66 without any missions.. maybe the beginning rank isn't with the skills so you'd have to add +2 on those..
QuantumDelta
19-02-04, 15:11
Originally posted by Nightbrother
I'm tired and I may be blind, but why are you dividing the stat total by 4.8, and not 5, since there are 5 stats? If you divide the stat total by 5, and get more than you should, then "Teh Sixth" would be the hidden factor?
Yes
Basically, as said it's leveled by missions, tbh getting a high base rank means as little as getting a high combat rank, since it nerfs your exp gains Ž.Ž
I have a steady rank **/70 if i put in a machina glove I get **/71, at an OP war I get a 70/70 rank with PPU boosts :)
Psyco Groupie
19-02-04, 15:19
My spy thats been lom'd to hell and back but is like 95 dex again is only /66 ... maybe loming does eat away at 6th statline .. hes done 3/4 epics too
Nightbrother
19-02-04, 15:23
Actually doing 50 hours of research missions only would suggest eternity to one as impatient as I. However, I will be looking forward to the experiment you will conduct with your upcoming PE.
I just hope KK haven't implemented the obscure factor of 'observing something will cause it to behave differently than if not observed', like certain particles do under specific circumstances. :p
Good job with the calculating there, IceStorm. When I get home I'll have a crack at some calcs myself.
Have you done many epics and/or other missions with your chars? As I said Gleep always has /75, and I've seen him drug to /80. Even have a picture of him standing in plaza with /80.
Skill drains add to combat dmg..
HighTech combat : A skill drain, gives no bonus to weapon except usability.
However the more high tech combat you have the higher is your Combat Rank
I lost 2x Combat Ranking because i LoMmed TC from 102 to 90.
Originally posted by Nightbrother
Would it be possible for those of you who are capped totally, to do a bunch of missions to see if this theory holds true? I've a feeling it will, but it would be wonderful to have it proven. Gleep, if you're listening, go do missions, now! :)
Also, 700 very hard missions.... yikes.... have anyone ever done that many? Probably not, since PE's cap at 35 PSI and get PSI xp from teaming also.
Tis true, my tank is fully capped and had a rank of **/65 which I was pretty underwhelmed by so I did aggie missions until things went ding a couple of times and hey presto **/66 :)
Originally posted by Nightbrother
Also, 700 very hard missions.... yikes.... have anyone ever done that many? Probably not, since PE's cap at 35 PSI and get PSI xp from teaming also.
Yes, there are some. :D
<----- fullcapped PE without Filter2 and SA, Dex 93 without PA .... /68 rank
Nightbrother
19-02-04, 15:40
Originally posted by sparrowtm
Yes, there are some. :D
<----- fullcapped PE without Filter2 and SA, Dex 93 without PA .... /68 rank
If you add up all your stats (with imps of course. :)) and divide them by 5, which number do you get, sparrow?
@ Valkyrie
Wonderful, thats proof of the 6th stat then. :)
Originally posted by Nightbrother
If you add up all your stats (with imps of course. :)) and divide them by 5, which number do you get, sparrow?
66+57+68+93+35=309/5=60,xxx
[EDIT : MISUNDERSTOOD xīs for stars]
48/ = *
56/ = **
76/ = ***
Since i had a XP bug once, my 6th skill is buged it doesnt lvl. Do you think i can write that to helpdesk and complain? ;)
Btw my alt used to have rank 76 and even 77 with machina glove. But i have to use other imps now. :)
yes epics have something to do with it, every time you complete an epic, you get 1 overall rank lvl, so if you had done no epics, had no implants or PA on and you were fully capped youre rank would be xx/60(just like when you lom a new char on test server) however take that same character without implants or PA who has done 8 epics, and his rank will be xx/68. that is a reason for higher ranks, so is the "6th" stat line.
altho now that I think about it....I could just be thinking that epics are the reason, but i forgot u get XP on epics, which could raise that 6th stat line.....
truthfully I cant say for sure, it looks like majority says 6th stat line but Ive noticed I do gain a rank when I do complete the epics.
I have a capped tank,Apu, & PE I will do some missions to see if his rank goes up. Only problem is.... PKers :-p that might slow down my missions. But yea I will give it a try.
-- Diablos --
Originally posted by sparrowtm
Yes, there are some. :D
<----- fullcapped PE without Filter2 and SA, Dex 93 without PA .... /68 rank
Heh same thing for me. And yes it is true that it does raise your rank every 3-4 dings. Ive done alot of missions, right now Im at about 81 sl and Ive done 2 epics. If you wanna do a quick test, just go to test server and complete a few hard construction missions. Im at rank 68 currently with the same as above, before the last ding i got I was 68 with PA on and 67 with it off. It seems to go in this patturn for example.
ding 66 rank
ding 66
ding 67 with pa on
ding 67 with pa off
If I had a SA i would get 70 rank because when I pop my destrol to wear my belt (which i usually permentantly on till i get one). Also I seen a PE on Saturn with rank 73 with only one drug.
My spy has a steady rank of /70. His int isnt capped and hes using 2 implants that dont increase stats. So if i would cap him and change those, i would be /75 base rank. If i would then use my usual drugs, i would be rank /79! Onoz that would be cool. :D
Its all about missions, i capped my psi 2 and a half times...lommed around a bit too much. :) Also did 2 epics with him.
I'll just go wait until someone makes either the first 127/127 Hybrid or 127/127 droner.
And, no, GM's don't count. :p
SigmaDraconis
19-02-04, 23:17
Originally posted by extract
yes epics have something to do with it, every time you complete an epic, you get 1 overall rank lvl,
Only if you do epics early on.. most chars Ive had havnt gained any levels from epics because ic apped my low stats (like PSI) on missions first....epics give XP to all stats like missions.. thats why they sometimes raise rank.... I.E. its not the act of doing an epic.. just the XP you get for completing the parts of them.
What I want is for my stats to be fixed. I did every epic on Pluto yet still /65.
Not cool.
On the Test server if you cap out all the skill on a player your rank is /60 without IMPS.
I currently have no imps in my spy and he is /60 but is not capped, only has 91 INT and 96 DEX, 40 STR, 40 CON, 20 PSI, this should equal out to /57.
I've heard that for every epic you do you get 1 point added to your /XX rank, haven't confirmed but I have done 4 epics with him.
I have also had about 30 of those Dings and had no points to assign.
QuantumDelta
20-02-04, 00:47
Originally posted by massic
On the Test server if you cap out all the skill on a player your rank is /60 without IMPS.
I currently have no imps in my spy and he is /60 but is not capped, only has 91 INT and 96 DEX, 40 STR, 40 CON, 20 PSI, this should equal out to /57.
I've heard that for every epic you do you get 1 point added to your /XX rank, haven't confirmed but I have done 4 epics with him.
I have also had about 30 of those Dings and had no points to assign. The more epics/missions you do the less the effect each one has.
Since it's a real leveling curve that you just can't see.
highest I can get without drugs is /73 or /74
Originally posted by ServeX
highest I can get without drugs is /73 or /74
/73 /74 on a tank without drugs ??? :eek: :eek: :eek:
I canīt get above 63/75 ** on every drug with pa4 with herc... (no rare drugs used though)
Thatīs tried on a Test Server Char setup for full gimpage, anything that gives rank, got full specs.
http://www.naimex.dk/rankage.jpg
Forget My Name
20-02-04, 03:16
[QUOTE]Originally posted by J. Folsom
[B]I'll just go wait until someone makes either the first 127/127 Hybrid or 127/127 droner.
Look at my avatar... I came close.
Originally posted by Forget My Name
[QUOTE]Originally posted by J. Folsom
[B]I'll just go wait until someone makes either the first 127/127 Hybrid or 127/127 droner.
Look at my avatar... I came close.
Actually.. Pete the psi had a char with rank 128 on test server at some point....
ill fix my implants around on my tank so you can see the rank /73 thing
on my tank on saturn i can get xx/73 undrugged and with drugs.. well heres ther pictures :)
http://speed12.50megs.com/images/more%20images/shot0018.JPG
http://speed12.50megs.com/images/more%20images/shot0139.jpg
:D
nice to see everyone loves gleep so .. ill be logging him in plaza 2 for anyone who wants to see the large penis that makes his rank so uber........... just to piss ya off about gleeps rank even more.. u forgot to add that he has a le in too, lol and that his rank is normaly a 78
Originally posted by thadeus
nice to see everyone loves gleep so .. ill be logging him in plaza 2 for anyone who wants to see the large penis that makes his rank so uber........... just to piss ya off about gleeps rank even more.. u forgot to add that he has a le in too, lol and that his rank is normaly a 78
why on earth would it piss anybody off ?? O_o
Originally posted by Revslad
why on earth would it piss anybody off ?? O_o
because they can't attain rank /78 also perhaps. just a thought.
Not Drugged...
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/ServeX-notdrugged.JPG
Drugged...
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/ServeX-drugged.JPG
Jesus fucking Christ !!!
What you got in man ?? all mc5 chips ?
Mr Friendly
20-02-04, 07:30
Originally posted by Tupac
i can get a rank of 66/72 when i take my filter heart 2 out and thru calculations my 6th stat is at 26, anyone know the cap of the 6th stat line? oh btw im a tank! for those who dont already know
45 is the cap for all classes & trust me, it takes a shitload of missions :\
Mr Friendly
20-02-04, 07:32
Originally posted by Revslad
on my tank on saturn i can get xx/73 undrugged and with drugs.. well heres ther pictures :)
http://speed12.50megs.com/images/more%20images/shot0018.JPG
http://speed12.50megs.com/images/more%20images/shot0139.jpg
:D
i seriously feel bad for the tanks, i mean man, look at that, /rank 86 & still only ** :( but then again, the symbol rank only refers to ur combat rank so :\
I've got up to 66/92 before...drugs influenced the /92 portion
If riding in a tank vehicle, I can get up to 80/92 drugged up.
i renewed a short time ago after almost 9 months, guess i missed something but can someone tell me how these stats are for a Tank:
INT: 38+18 :confused: and still STR 144+44, i mean no negative side-effects on the non-primary skills, most imps give example STR+5, DEX-2 etc
:confused:
QuantumDelta
20-02-04, 08:46
Originally posted by olavski
i renewed a short time ago after almost 9 months, guess i missed something but can someone tell me how these stats are for a Tank:
INT: 38+18 :confused: and still STR 144+44, i mean no negative side-effects on the non-primary skills, most imps give example STR+5, DEX-2 etc
:confused: Drugs dude, Drugs ;)
Why didn't i think of that :(
Its even visible in the screenshot :D
thx.
Nightbrother
20-02-04, 09:22
@ he who is Gleep,
This thread was and is in no way intended to be a 'who has the highest rank' - thread. I was just interested in knowing what mechanics in Neocron enabled people to have /xx ranks higher than what would 'seem' possible. Now I think we've found out. Seems like some people have known for quite a long time.
I think it's quite normal to be curious about thing that are not readily apparent, and to have a natural want to learn more about such things.
@ other people,
Geez, I though I had seen high ranks before, but /92 is bloody nuts, even with drugs. :)
Doing Epics means the folllowing - Plenty Missions to change Faction... Epic Exp too So that explaints ...
I done All the official epics and have a xx/70 as a tank....
come to think about it my tank is rank /67 and j0rz has a capped tank with a herc like my tank :) and last time i saw him he had a rank of /66 O_o uhm.... well my tank does lose his sl alot and do lots of aggie missions but i dont see how it would change ur rank, and im sure that j0rz has done more epic missions then me.
love u j0rz u pking asshole :)
Nightbrother
20-02-04, 09:52
Originally posted by Crest
Doing Epics means the folllowing - Plenty Missions to change Faction... Epic Exp too So that explaints ...
I done All the official epics and have a xx/70 as a tank....
Are you capped in all stats, Crest? Cause if you are, then something doesn't add up with that 6th hidden stat talk. Some other factor(s) must come in play then also, but I have no clue as to what they might be? :confused:
QuantumDelta
20-02-04, 10:56
Originally posted by Nightbrother
Are you capped in all stats, Crest? Cause if you are, then something doesn't add up with that 6th hidden stat talk. Some other factor(s) must come in play then also, but I have no clue as to what they might be? :confused: How can you say that? o_ODo you know how many missions he's done?
How many epics he's done sure, but the missions on top?
Nightbrother
20-02-04, 11:02
Originally posted by QuantumDelta
How can you say that? o_ODo you know how many missions he's done?
How many epics he's done sure, but the missions on top?
Good point, QD. Also, I do not know what implants Crest has in. I just assumed that because Gleep had a rank of /75 and had done 8 epics, and Crest a rank of /70 and had done all epics, something was wrong, but I forgot about other missions. I have an excuse... it was early morning here when I posted that, and I didn't sleep well. :p
last week i was **/65 ( fully capped, 98 con, using herc )
i've done 7 epics and i'm **/69 and about to be **/70 ( i gain a lvl every 1.5 epic aproximatly)
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