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I read this:
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1.14 More Sex
Neocron was nominated sixth sexiest game of all time in the August/03 issue of PC Gamer, USA. Unfortunately the striptease dancers in Neocron's red light district (Pepper Park) would be more fittingly described as cubic rather than sexy due to the low polygon count. As a result, all strippers in the game will be replaced by higher detail models with complex motion-capturing animations. This is also true for the peep-shows, bar dancers etc.
Of course will there be no shortage of nice ladies in Dome of York e
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Well, what about the girls who play neocron? We want to see more MEN in Pepper Park or DOY. Preferrably in smart cafes ano not nessecarily the city's seedier parts.
I also read there's going to be snow in NC. Does this mean we can go skiing or start avalanches with AOE weapons and crush our foes? I presume the damage source would be mob-damage.
Chiato!
Dade Murphey
18-02-04, 15:12
Though I think it's a touch unrealistic in terms of gameplay for an MMO...interactive terrain would definately be awesome...haha...but eventually there wouldn't be much left of anything that could actually be interacted with...haha
The snow would fall again or melt during a sunny spell. Avalanche snow fall would decay (melt) in the same way as rubble produced by exploding barrels.
And as for MEN strippers in PP... It'll balance the game.
Originally posted by zii
And as for MEN strippers in PP... It'll balance the game. OMG, STRIPPERS ARE OVERPOWERED! NERF THE STRIPPERS!
... What? :p
I suppose I agree though, even if I'd personally prefer them to stay gone...
Sexy male strippers for all the men to get their sex urges out :)
There should be someone who chases you in the prison
And one in the Chruch of Crahn called Rabbi Randy.. :)
Logan_storm_03
18-02-04, 18:33
... erm ... lol, im not quite sure ill like the experiance of running around the church with this puff man after me:eek:
Deffinetly, male strippers.
I think it's a bit closed minded to absolutely fill a game with female strippers, and then not put a single male stripper in the game. Sorry if anyone disagrees with me, but there 'are' two sexes after all.
5 starz
*edit*
I don't like the idea of male strippers in the prisons though. Just dancing in pepper park.
Originally posted by Benjie
Deffinetly, male strippers.
I think it's a bit closed minded to absolutely fill a game with female strippers, and then not put a single male stripper in the game. Sorry if anyone disagrees with me, but there 'are' two sexes after all.
5 starz
*edit*
I don't like the idea of male strippers in the prisons though. Just dancing in pepper park. I understand your particular view on this, but where in our own society do we see male strippers dancing in windows? Or where male strip clubs rival the number of female strip clubs?
I dont think I have even seen a male strip club. I know of male stripper groups that travel around... but havent seen a male strip club before.
man those male strippers better not be wearing leather...
oooh...a NC revival of the Blue Oister Bar :wtf: 8| :p
But surely there are male stripper bars?? Not as high in numbers as the female ones...but still
Originally posted by Strych9
I understand your particular view on this, but where in our own society do we see male strippers dancing in windows? Or where male strip clubs rival the number of female strip clubs?
I dont think I have even seen a male strip club. I know of male stripper groups that travel around... but havent seen a male strip club before.
A sound notion, except you made one fatal flaw in your logic.
You used our own society to justify moral reasoning.
:p :(
Originally posted by Benjie
A sound notion, except you made one fatal flaw in your logic.
You used our own society to justify moral reasoning.
:p :( Hehe. Show me something to suggest that Neocron society is dissimilar from our own in terms of sexual preferences and demographics, and THEN maybe you can argue the comparison is flawed.
I see nothing in game that indicates that there would be more of a demand for male strippers in Neocron society than in our own society.
I do see that most of the higher ups in the factions that control PP are male. And most males would rather see female strippers.
So explain to me why the BD and TS factions that rule PP would want to see male strippers as they patrol their hood.
Otherwise, I stand by my comparison. :)
Originally posted by Strych9
So explain to me why the BD and TS factions that rule PP would want to see male strippers as they patrol their hood.
Otherwise, I stand by my comparison. :)
Thats besides the point.
I don't think you can moraly rule out an entire two sexualities and use.. "Why would people want to see male strippers?" as a reason.
*edit*
This is the third request for male strippers I have seen since reakktor released the plan file, so some people must want them.
Originally posted by Benjie
Thats besides the point.
I don't think you can moraly rule out an entire two sexualities and use.. "Why would people want to see male strippers?" as a reason.
Huh? Rule out two sexualities?
First, your use of the word "morally" isnt really applied here correctly. I am not "morally ruling out" anything here, so please dont try to elevate this to some lofty level it is not yet at.
This is simply about societal tastes, a value judgement perhaps.
The question is whether the in-game society of Neocron should be 100% equal and fair in this regard even though our own real life societies are not, and even though the playerbase of Neocron is not.
First, I am assuming you dont want this to be viewed as just a whine, right? If this was just a whine, then simply another whine could counter it. So I would think you want this to be viewed as a more important request, one having to do with principles rather than preferences.
If thats the case, then I dont see the warrant to have Neocron society any different than our own society. If there is a warrant for that, you need to clarify the brightline for this- i.e. at what point will Neocron society be "okay" in this regard?
This is just about male strippers... but what about other inequalities that exist in our own society? Should Neocron "right" every perceived "wrong"? Equal amounts of male/female executives... etc?
What about prostitutes? What about shemales?
What about race? We only have one Asian-appearing PE skin, and I dont recall seeing any Asian NPCs to speak of.
If this is about doing what is right, at what point will it be enough?
I just want varity and choice.
Some black male strippers would be nice as well. :angel:
What about prostitutes? What about shemales?
I thought Black Lilly was a prostitute, or did I confuse her with a junky?
Originally posted by zii
I thought Black Lilly was a prostitute, or did I confuse her with a junky? I meant male prostitutes.
Originally posted by Strych9
Huh? Rule out two sexualities?
First, your use of the word "morally" isnt really applied here correctly. I am not "morally ruling out" anything here, so please dont try to elevate this to some lofty level it is not yet at.
Hmmkay, trying to confise me eh? hehe, well you kinda did there. :p I was just questioning whether it is morally healthy to rule out two sexualities. I am not trying to elevate it to any kind of lofty level. ;)
This is simply about societal tastes, a value judgement perhaps.
Society is made of 6 billions individuals, and so there is no 'society's taste'. As long as there is a majority, (and one will always exist) It will be easy for people to make the mistake that what the majority of society thinks, is what society actually thinks. This is not true.
The question is whether the in-game society of Neocron should be 100% equal and fair in this regard even though our own real life societies are not, and even though the playerbase of Neocron is not.
In areas of race issues, sex issues and sexuality issues, which are all subject to discrimination in the real life world, yes it should acknowledge all walks of life. I believe you will find it hard to find an mmorpg that fails to acknowledge homosexuality or female hetrosexulity like Neocron does in it's regards to stippers.
First, I am assuming you dont want this to be viewed as just a whine, right? If this was just a whine, then simply another whine could counter it. So I would think you want this to be viewed as a more important request, one having to do with principles rather than preferences.
Totally irrelevent.:confused:
If thats the case, then I dont see the warrant to have Neocron society any different than our own society. If there is a warrant for that, you need to clarify the brightline for this- i.e. at what point will Neocron society be "okay" in this regard?
Our own society has laws regarding such issues. People strife for equality, and for people to have equall access to things. I would like Neocron to represent the posotive parts of our society, not the bad.
This is just about male strippers... but what about other inequalities that exist in our own society? Should Neocron "right" every perceived "wrong"? Equal amounts of male/female executives... etc?
What about prostitutes? What about shemales?
What about race? We only have one Asian-appearing PE skin, and I dont recall seeing any Asian NPCs to speak of.
Neocron doesn't really have any moral problems. There are no areas within neocron which are blaringly immoral. It's kinda 'on par' with out current level of morality. Accepting race, gender, and sexuality to an equall level that the real world does.
Except for the fact that the real world has male strippers! Because in the real world, not everyone is a Man or Lesbien! :)
If this is about doing what is right, at what point will it be enough?
Cheese!
I want male strippers in Pepper Park. 5 stars.
Well, I thought that those male strippers could do more than just strip?
Edit: 5 stars to Benjie as well.
Originally posted by Strych9
I do see that most of the higher ups in the factions that control PP are male. And most males would rather see female strippers.
So explain to me why the BD and TS factions that rule PP would want to see male strippers as they patrol their hood.
Otherwise, I stand by my comparison. :) The Tsunami Syndicate (Which is supposed to be the leader of the two* when it comes to prostitution), is led by Madame Veronique, notice the Madame. ;)
*I'm not counting Crahn, you can't really count them for this kind of stuff.
Originally posted by Benjie
Society is made of 6 billions individuals, and so there is no 'society's taste'. As long as there is a majority, (and one will always exist) It will be easy for people to make the mistake that what the majority of society thinks, is what society actually thinks. This is not true.Sorry, society is not a simple collection of every human on the planet.
There are many different societies on the planet. If there is only one, kindly inform me of THE societal views of the rights of women. You will be hard pressed to find the ONE because different societies view it differently.
What is wrong in one society is not right in another.
What makes a society a society is the sharing of common values.
So no, society is not made up of 6 billion individuals.
Besides, earlier you said
You used our own society to justify moral reasoningHow can I use "my own" society when there is only one?
And sorry, but the numbers dont lie. In our society, and most other societies that have strip clubs, there are FAR FAR more female strip clubs than male strip clubs. Just like there is FAR more pornography geared for men then there is geared to women.
You dont have to like that, or agree with it. But thats how it is.
In areas of race issues, sex issues and sexuality issues, which are all subject to discrimination in the real life world, yes it should acknowledge all walks of life. I believe you will find it hard to find an mmorpg that fails to acknowledge homosexuality or female hetrosexulity like Neocron does in it's regards to stippers.Okay, so Neocron, as a game, is responsible for representing "all walks of life." I can handle that, as long as you are meaning ALL, and not just "all" as in "those that I agree with." There is more on this below...
Our own society has laws regarding such issues. People strife for equality, and for people to have equall access to things. I would like Neocron to represent the posotive parts of our society, not the bad.Sorry, there arent equal numbers of male and female strip clubs in our own (the one???) society. Equality is possible, but there are NOT laws stating that every possible interest must be equally represented at all times. There are laws saying that it cannot be prevented, but not laws stating that it must happen.
Put male strippers in Neocron... I just dont see what about Neocron society would mean that they would have a higher proportion of strippers than our own society does.
What about Neocron society do you see is different than our own in terms of sexual identity and sexual preferences?
Neocron doesn't really have any moral problems. There are no areas within neocron which are blaringly immoral. It's kinda 'on par' with out current level of morality. Accepting race, gender, and sexuality to an equall level that the real world does.
Except for the fact that the real world has male strippers! Because in the real world, not everyone is a Man or Lesbien! :)
Sorry, here is where I hop off the boat. You are quick to jump on the soapbox about the responsibilities of Neocron in terms of equality, and that sure SOUNDS nice, but when you get down to it, you just want to see naked men.
You dont have seem to have an interest in any sort of equality.
And that is fine- everyone is entitled to their opinion. But this goes back to when I asked you if this was just a whine, or a serious indictment of the value system in Neocron. This is why that is important to know.
If you want equality, lets push for equality. If you just wanna see speedos, then thats a whole different story.
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J.Folsom, thats a good point. I guess the money is in the female strippers, not male strippers then. :)
Originally posted by Strych9
You are quick to jump on the soapbox about the responsibilities of Neocron in terms of equality, and that sure SOUNDS nice, but when you get down to it, you just want to see naked men.
lmao! Man thats a classic quote. Totally not true, nice assumption though, [ edited for violation of the forum rules - flaming ]
Originally posted by zii
I just want varity and choice.
Some black male strippers would be nice as well. :angel:
Not everybody is closed minded Strych9. zii here is on the same wavelength as me. :)
Why anyone would want to argue against equality is beyond me.
Necrosadistic
18-02-04, 21:11
This just shows that a lot of the player base just want this to stay a men's only game apart from a few exceptions... you ever thought that not all women want to see naked female strippers?
Just because you feel uncomfortable about seeing male strippers, does not mean that some people would not enjoy that...
What about players who may be homosexual?
Obviously making everything totally equal with races and strippers ( :p ) would be some sort of stupid PC overkill...
I would not go to such a bar because it is not my sexual preference, but people who are not heterosexual and male should be able to enjoy the "sexy" side of the game as well... :lol:
Sorry, here is where I hop off the boat. You are quick to jump on the soapbox about the responsibilities of Neocron in terms of equality, and that sure SOUNDS nice, but when you get down to it, you just want to see naked men.
YES ! WE WANT TO SEE NAKED MEN IN NEOCRON.
That was the point of starting the thread.
LOL. You are right Benjie. Neocron, as a non-existant gaming society, should strive for total equality.
Screw race... the ONLY lacking area in which the game is NOT totally equal, as you say, is strippers.
So bring on the male strippers.
:rolleyes:
Look, I have no problem with male strippers being in the game.
But dont act like you are advocating some aloof idea of equality. You base your need for male strippers on their real life existance... yet you ignore the real life fact that male strip clubs are few and far between, and that male strippers are NOT as prevalent in society as female strippers. Pepper Park has a distinct feel, and that feel is one that people associate with crime and drugs and sex and strippers. Male strip clubs seldom fall into that same scene.
Its not the presence of male strippers in the game that bothers me. Its your attempt to justify it by selectively examining some aspects of our soceity while ignoring others.
Originally posted by zii
YES ! WE WANT TO SEE NAKED MEN IN NEOCRON.
That was the point of starting the thread. Glad you are honest about it. There is 100% NOTHING wrong with that either. If someone wants to see naked men in Neocron, then cool- they are entitled to their opinion. Power to the people.
If they added male strippers and a DAMN GOOD and FAIR bad soulight system id be going around killing all the male strippers on pluto :p
(cant on saturn cause im tangent :()
Pepper Park has a distinct feel, and that feel is one that people associate with crime and drugs and sex and strippers. Male strip clubs seldom fall into that same scene.
So we can have the male strip clubs in in Via Rossa then? I might even consider deserting Crahn and joining a city-side faction in that case.
Those strippers pack mightly guns, so be careful where you point your shooter Zanathos :lol:
Originally posted by zii
So we can have the male strip clubs in in Via Rossa then? I might even consider deserting Crahn and joining a city-side faction in that case. Hehe. If you had the male strip clubs in a place where they would make sense, I think that would be more propper. ;)
Regardless if they belong in Via or not... PP is not the place for them. (not the place as in wouldnt make sense with the RP of the area, when compared to similar areas in real life).
Originally posted by Strych9
LOL. You are right Benjie. Neocron, as a non-existant gaming society, should strive for total equality.
Screw race... the ONLY lacking area in which the game is NOT totally equal, as you say, is strippers.
So bring on the male strippers.
:rolleyes:
[ edited for violation of the forum rules - flaming ]
My characters skin is black. I have received racism exactly twice in Neocron, and both times I reported them to abuse.
Don't you dare asume I don't care about racism, because I do. What you posted here is so offencive, posting an assumtion that somebody doesn't care about race issues. Earilier when you said I don't care about equality I just want to see naked men...
You make far too many assumptions mate. You really should step back for a bit and think before you post.
Guys, seriously, whats the big deal?
I understand that most of the people who play this game ARE men.
But lets think about this.
1)There most likely ARE homosexuals that play this game
2)There most likely ARE bi-sexuals that play this game
3)There ARE straight females that play this game
4)There most likely ARE lesbian femailes that play this game
5)There ARE straight males that play this game
So far the females strippers take care of
4 and 5, and sort of 2.
Theres nothing wrong with male strippers that take care of
1 and 2 and 3
Just throw them in ONE club in ONE Pepper Park zone, there you go. Now the majority group of number 5 dont have to worry much about the male strippers.
Guys, something like this is not that big of a deal.
of course, the final desicion goes to ReaKKtor.
Originally posted by Benjie
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My characters skin is black. I have received racism exactly twice in Neocron, and both times I reported them to abuse.
Don't you dare asume I don't care about racism, because I do. What you posted here is so offencive, posting an assumtion that somebody doesn't care about race issues. Earilier when you said I don't care about equality I just want to see naked men...
You make far too many assumptions mate. You really should step back for a bit and think before you post. Have you TOTALLY lost your mind?
*I* asked about race in the game. I said that race isnt equal. I said there arent nearly enough Asians in the game. YOU replied with this:
Neocron doesn't really have any moral problems. There are no areas within neocron which are blaringly immoral. It's kinda 'on par' with out current level of morality. Accepting race, gender, and sexuality to an equall level that the real world does.
Except for the fact that the real world has male strippers! Because in the real world, not everyone is a Man or Lesbien!YOU said that its fine except for the male strippers. Equality apparently is important to you, yet you ask for male strippers.
Your characters skin is black? So what? So is mine. Big deal.
Sheesh, you really need to think things out more. I make NO assumptions about YOU at all. I go by what you post here. I bring up race, you say race is fine and the only exception to things being fine is the lack of male strippers.
Originally posted by Strych9
Sheesh, you really need to think things out more. I make NO assumptions about YOU at all. I go by what you post here. I bring up race, you say race is fine and the only exception to things being fine is the lack of male strippers.
Perhaps you are right. I did over react. Sorry.
However the way you worded your post did come across as if I didn't care about race issues in Neocron. I do, greatly.
After thinking about it more, I agree with you. At the moment it seems as though there are Black and Asian Options for character appearence, but the dominant skin colour in Neocrons characters is carcasian.
Originally posted by Strych9
I bring up race, you say race is fine and the only exception to things being fine is the lack of male strippers.
Still, Neocron acknowledges races. There isn't a single male stripper in Neocron. None whatsoever. While I do agree with you that there are some race issues, I think they are less drastic than the sexist/homophobic issues regarding strippers.
*edit below*
sorry nidhogg. I know I can get a little offencive sometimes in the way I word things. I'll at least try to keep it down from now on.
Benjie, if you're going to find moral argument in everything you read at least do so without resorting to insults. zii, less of the double posts.
Now calm it down please.
N
Originally posted by Zanathos
Guys, seriously, whats the big deal?
I understand that most of the people who play this game ARE men.
But lets think about this.
1)There most likely ARE homosexuals that play this game
2)There most likely ARE bi-sexuals that play this game
3)There ARE straight females that play this game
4)There most likely ARE lesbian femailes that play this game
5)There ARE straight males that play this game
So far the females strippers take care of
4 and 5, and sort of 2.
Theres nothing wrong with male strippers that take care of
1 and 2 and 3
Just throw them in ONE club in ONE Pepper Park zone, there you go. Now the majority group of number 5 dont have to worry much about the male strippers.
Guys, something like this is not that big of a deal.
of course, the final desicion goes to ReaKKtor.
HEY! lets not forget about what I said!
its a very valid point! :p
sorry but it seems like my point is getting overlooked :P
Originally posted by Zanathos
HEY! lets not forget about what I said!
its a very valid point! :p
sorry but it seems like my point is getting overlooked :P
I agree, this moral argument is stupid considering how simple this request really is. It's not like it's going to cause balance issues, fps issues, or anything for that matter. It's just should we or shouldn't we. By the way I am #2 on your list. So they do play this game. :)
Aziraphale
18-02-04, 22:07
I want a ****** bar, with chipendales, nice decor and little umbrellas in all the drinks.
Yes.
Zan, I think you left Drom-lovers out of that list :p
Aziraphale
18-02-04, 22:08
what the hell? the slang term for homosexual also meaning happy is a censored word on these forums? Why may I ask? I have never met a single homosexual who finds that word offensive, in fact most use it when reffering to themselves. Blah..
Originally posted by Aziraphale
what the hell? the slang term for homosexual also meaning happy is a censored word on these forums? Why may I ask? I have never met a single homosexual who finds that word offensive, in fact most use it when reffering to themselves. Blah..
unfortunatly thats 'sort of' my fault... and I hate it.
I had a lengthy discussion with a forum moderator about the old rules regarding that word.
Using ****** as an insult toward a person was a bannable offence, but towards a game mechanic it was completely accepted.
I argued that the forum was getting too homophobic, people using that word to describe 'shit' 'crappy' and not using it for it's true meaning.
He agreed, but unfortunetly went one step too far and censored the word completely.
I have since discussed it with him, but he said that I have to accept it.
I hate that the word is censored. It's totally out of order. I don't see why it should be a matter of one extreme or the other.
It really sucks.:(
It shouldn't be censored. :mad:
*edit*
I'm going to talk to him again. It's just wrong.
Originally posted by Aziraphale
That word is used in an innapropriate fashion all the time, and it annoys me too, but censoring the word could be deemed to be a homophobic action in itself.
Thats exactly what I think.
Aziraphale
18-02-04, 22:23
That word is used in an innapropriate fashion all the time, and it annoys me too, but censoring the word could be deemed to be a homophobic action in itself.
The word G___Y has many meanings. Some refer to happy (past, current meaning), some refer to a sexuality (modern meaning) and some to something crap (modern meaning). A word in itself is often inoffensive, but any word can be used in a way to convey offence meanings.
Banning words is generally a daft idea, however there are subset of words deemed offensive that need banning on the forums. G____Y is not one of them, especially since it has several meanings. Frankly B__T_CH! should not be banned since it refers to a female dog.
Thats why I think censorship is bad.
Last weekend I went into a happy bar and had a happy time.
I'm off home to play this game and I'm sure that I'll have a happy time.
This has really gone off topic, which isn't a bad thing ;)
Originally posted by zii
This has really gone off topic, which isn't a bad thing ;) I disagree. Get back on topic please.
N
Can I see hands of any KK volunteers wanting to do the motion capturing for the male strippers plz!
As much as I don't want to see men in leather thongs in Neocron, it would only be fair for the females to have somewhere to "hang" at as well.
Psycho Killa
19-02-04, 02:49
Uh only if the male strippers arent out on the street and are in there own little room or something that I never have to see.
sanityislost
19-02-04, 03:08
LOLOLOLOLZ ok stick the male strippers at the front of TG they can do there thing in that tower thingy
no females really play neocron.
Originally posted by suler
no females really play neocron.
You sir are an idiot if you actually believe that this game is 100% male in its playerbase.
I can think of 5 right now that play neocron.
and theres more where that came from!
cause one of the other ones said there was :eek:
Oh sorry you are right, I guess the population of males in female avatars may want to rp and look at male strippers too.
Originally posted by zii
And as for MEN strippers in PP... It'll balance the game. I'm sick of watching male tanks in pink clothes! Give us real men strippers! o_O
/edit
Originally posted by Keiron
As much as I don't want to see men in leather thongs in Neocron, it would only be fair for the females to have somewhere to "hang" at as well. Says the tank in pink clothes. :p
Spencer Leone
19-02-04, 10:47
I'm going to keep this simple.
I don't want male strippers in the game.
:lol:
Originally posted by KuifJe
Can I see hands of any KK volunteers wanting to do the motion capturing for the male strippers plz! I'm relatively certain Danae wouldn't mind. :p
Just
put
them
in
game
and
ignore
the
people
who
are
saying
don't
or "JPTIGAITPWASD!!!" as an acronym. :p
Original monk
19-02-04, 16:30
Originally posted by zii
Last weekend I went into a happy bar and had a happy time.
im glad you say that on such a manner.
the happy people are a sensitive matter on these forums i think ...
actually i better shut my mouth but still :
it seems there is still a very high TABOO on happy-people ... wich is a shame cause i tought we lived in modern times ... guess not then :/
i wish all people could yust have some respect for eachothers sexuality :/ .. some people like droms, some people like woman, some people like pain, some people like men, some people even like poo 8| (marx ..) and in my opinion they can do whatever they like ... aslong as its not illegal and if both partners agree ...
...
and about the happy bars: what most happy-people-haters dont know is that the most beautifull and classy chicks mostly go out in male happy-bars, yust so they dont get annoyed by all the drunk straight men :) so offcourse its cool goin to happy places, i think people seen to many blue oister bar movies indeed ... this may explain the very bad image of them places ..
anyways, to stay on topic: i wouldnt mind that they put in male strippers in the game, maybe some kiddies go like: YAAK, EEK and BWAACK, but im sure any grown up / adult wouldnt mind it ...
BTW: if neocron ended up on a good score in the sexiest game contest then i think that putting in male strippers will only get us higher into that list :) or do you think that there arent any woman or "happy" people in the crew that decides who will win the NUMBER 1 trophy : SEXIEST game of the year :)
is it obvious that i hate the dumb people ? like racists and homophobic people .. i really hope so ...
to end: yust put em in KK,them strippers, it will add an extra to the realityfactor of the game and it will give any famous religious leader a nice chance to SPIT on videogames with drugs, sex and violance and who knows add some extra "advertising" for neocron :)
where did i come up with the religious leader tought ? -> seeing what resistance the marriage between 2 people of the same sex gets in California lets me think that mankind still has a long way to go until we all learn to accept eachother for who we are individually, wich is a pitty ffcourse :/
(here in antwerp there also was alot of protest :/ but i choose california cause its in the news currently)
with the kind greetings of original, who respects you nomatter if youre straight, bi, g@y, white, black, yellow, red, green, blue or whatever
Original monk, you know the Red Dwarf Episode The Inquisitor? well I am sure he/she would have deemed you a worthy individual and not eradicated you from the time line. Nice speach. :)
It's people like you who make the word great, not top athletes or movie stars. Just open minded people. :)
Nice one
*edit* sorry if this post sounds a little cheesy. ;)
RuriHoshino
19-02-04, 22:28
As I recall there is a place called Chippendales which is an all male "revue" :D
So even if NC is like US/UK/DE in outlook there are still possibilities ;)
I vote for Chippendales in Neocron!!!!:cool: :lol:
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