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because crap like this just pisses me off...
http://www.eeye.com/html/Research/Upcoming/index.html
and the latest "Backdoor" into windows has been around for 6 months.
http://www.eeye.com/html/Research/Advisories/AD20040210.html
Mumblyfish
11-02-04, 00:08
Windows > Linux. Speaking the truth.
why would KK introduce the risk and cost of porting to linux to satisy a miniscule minority who believe anyone really cares about their open source OS ?
rithy
PS
I'm OS angostic so don't call me a MS lover... im a pragmatist
Psyco Groupie
11-02-04, 00:14
MS fixed it, you cannot fault them - theres just more hackers working to find holes in windows ... calm the f*ck down and put your dummy back in
Originally posted by Odin
No
That is the best reply to anything ever! lol
~Tratos
PS Odin, whens MJS posting this anncouncment :D
Originally posted by Tratos
That is the best reply to anything ever! lol
~Tratos
PS Odin, whens MJS posting this anncouncment :D
Who knows....I found out when I started work today so even I don't know what's up right now.
Psychoninja
11-02-04, 00:23
Huh?:confused:
Did I miss something between tratos and Odin?
I'm lost :(
Thanatos sed this
MJS will post an official statement tonight (9-10 PM GMT).
Cough, hehe
~Tratos
too many idiots in the world that can't operate a real command line based OS so linux will never support games well
no mouse + no "neocron" icon to click on = no go for the noobies
unix as a whole (linux, unix, bsd, solaris, etc) will never be a gaming system. unix is a server, and its better at being a server then anything else. try to make it a pile of graphic crap, a desktop, etc etc and its no better then windows.
Psyco Groupie
11-02-04, 00:32
so hes late ?!
Originally posted by Psyco Groupie
MS fixed it, you cannot fault them - theres just more hackers working to find holes in windows ... calm the f*ck down and put your dummy back in
Fixed it after 6 months knowing about the backdoor in windows (which has existed for years). But there are more ways into Windows if you bothered to read the link.
I guess it is a good way to claim your not responsible for peoples accounts getting hacked.
G0rt, no offense but when was the last time you actually used Linux? It sounds like about 5 years ago.
Linux already has pretty much every program that you would want that is in Windows. Runs windows software, runs games, runs windows games (wineX). Actually must check BDOY with linux when it comes out.
Also you don't have to use the command line at all unless your doing some serious stuff with it (which is the same as windows).
ZoneVortex
11-02-04, 09:20
what's "Linux"? is it a game?
Originally posted by ZoneVortex
what's "Linux"? is it a game?
http://dirtynuke.net/linux.jpg
Evidently it's a porno gathering device.
ZoneVortex
11-02-04, 09:23
ohhhh, kthx marx
always wondered that
damn yeah i am this bored...off to bed now. :o
Originally posted by Archeus
Fixed it after 6 months knowing about the backdoor in windows (which has existed for years). But there are more ways into Windows if you bothered to read the link.
I guess it is a good way to claim your not responsible for peoples accounts getting hacked.
G0rt, no offense but when was the last time you actually used Linux? It sounds like about 5 years ago.
Linux already has pretty much every program that you would want that is in Windows. Runs windows software, runs games, runs windows games (wineX). Actually must check BDOY with linux when it comes out.
Also you don't have to use the command line at all unless your doing some serious stuff with it (which is the same as windows).
Funny thing is I use linux every day. But no I don't use xwindows. Never have, never will. Why? Because in my opinion, windows does the whole Desktop thing better. I love Microsoft Office, I love Opera for Windows, I love running games on windows quickly and hassle free, and theres a ton of little windows applications I really truely enjoy using...such as NewsRover, Microsoft Streets 'n Trips, uoam, easyuo, etc etc etc. The time it would take me to find replacements in linux, or to "emulate" them in xwindows would be far too great.
But don't get me wrong, im a 100% unix geek. I wont touch alot of shit on windows...like irc clients, instant messangers, peer to peer filesharing software, or ANYTHING that has to do with a server to be perfectly frank. But yes, I use linux 100% in consol. To be perfectly frank with you, I hate xwindows. Its lagged, its annoying, and i don't like how its setup at all. I know its completely customizable, but I still find it about 1/4 as responsive as windows 2000 on my gaming machine.
You know what I love? Hitting My Computer and watching it come up in the blink of an eye. Not hitting my home folder in xwindows and watching chunks of the window appear at a time because simply browsing files is so hard on the system.
If you like xwindows though, all the power too ya....its setup exactly how a GUI *should* be....its running BEHIND A COMMAND LINE. The biggest downfall in windows was when MS decided to make it take over your computer completely. Windows 3.11 was the best windows ever, because when it fucked up, you were left at C:\ to do as you please. Now *THAT* is the win. None of this windows crashes, booya restart the computer and watch scandisk run time. :rolleyes:
And yes...you can do ANYTHING you want from teh command line. And you can do it all remotely as easy as if you were sitting right in front of your system. The thing about consol based software is that its not EASY to learn, but once you do its far more powerfull then graphical applications. Take BitchX for instance, by FAR the most powerfull IRC client in the world, yet 100% text driven. Take glFTPd, by FAR the most powerfull FTP daemon in the world, yet 100% text driven. Take CenterICQ for example, by FAR the most powefull piece of instant messaging software in the world, and yes...you guessed it...100% text driven.
If its good, its not graphical. I can go on forever. IPTables, MySQL, IPTraf, Apache, etc etc....thier graphical counterparts, whatever they are, will NOT be as good.
I like relating this kinda thing to driving. When you know what you're doing on a command line, you're driving a standard. You're in control. When you're a sucker for a GUI, no offense, but you're driving an automatic...anyone can do it, its for newbs, its unresponsive and frankly you have nowhere near the control as you should.
:D
lol g0rt
I like some of those metaphors :)
When I get my own computer I will probably get a partition with linux installed on.
But for my sakes, can you tell me what linus has over windows in terms of general computing and what you normally get with one of those linux packages? Is having windows for gaming and linux for everything else a good idea?
Originally posted by Judge
lol g0rt
I like some of those metaphors :)
When I get my own computer I will probably get a partition with linux installed on.
But for my sakes, can you tell me what linus has over windows in terms of general computing and what you normally get with one of those linux packages? Is having windows for gaming and linux for everything else a good idea?
Ill tell ya exactly what i use the two systems for:
Windows: Games, Word Processing, CD Burning, Anything graphical (image editing, mapping, browsing most web pages, etc)
Linux: Everything else :D This includes..
- my fileserver, has about 400gigs of storage, i keep all my media, games, etc anything that shouldn't be on your system drive. the reason i do this is because theres a bunch of people in my house that use all the same files, and it keeps the stress off my main machine when everyones leeching from the fileserver. i also use this as my DSL gateway, fully firewalled using iptables, and also in charge of routing my DSL line through my lan...again using iptables for this task.
- my "woodie" hehe is my little PC I have build on a slab of wood... yes the MB is screwed right into the wood, and everything is placed nicely on stop of it. i use this for a few things....1. mp3's, because playing mp3 takes a good amount of cpu, i prefer to run my mp3's off this pc instead of my more important pc's. i also run my irc clients and instant messangers on this machine to keep stress off the others. this one doesn't have a screen on it, so i simply SSH into it through my windows machine to use icq/msn/aim/irc when i want to. important applications are all "screened", screen is a small linux app that allows you to send anything to the background, so to speak, and then bring it up back to the foreground whenever you call for it. EXTREMELY powerfull application, i recommend it 100%. this way I can be idling on irc for days without actually noticing it :D also I can ssh into my machine remotely through the internet, and call up anything screened...meaning i can open irc/msn/icq/aim from anywhere in the world and use it JUST AS IF i was sitting at home. hell i can even remotely log into the machine and start playing mp3's remotely if i felt like it! :p
- my main server (www.zoneseek.ca) which runs all my heavy duty shit...this ones defended up the ass. i got some nifty little security settings on it, go ahead and portscan zoneseek.ca .... ill know it minutes later no matter where I am, because a small script I have running will SMS msg my cell phone with your IP :D and if i find you to be a threat, its as simple as adding a -j DROP rule to your IP in my firewall script (using ipchains, of course). this machine also routes my uncapped cable line throughout my house. i also run alot of servers i use on a daily basis off it:
- web server
- mail servers
- ftp servers (public/private)
- teamspeak server (home of the black cartel :) )
- various other "services" that the public doesn't know about, and doesn't need ot know about.
thanks to iptables, probably hte most powerfull piece of routing/firewall software in teh world, i can open certain ports to only certain IPs....meaning if i dont want you to know, you will NOT know that im running. hell if i wanted to really be an asshole, i could blackhole your IP completely, making it "seem" as my server is completely offline...turned off...to you. yet it will work as always for everyone else. the thing that really makes iptables stand out over any other firewall available for any OS is the DROP rule that I oh so love so much. mark my word, every single other firewall out there will ALWAYS send data back...when someone pings your machine, even if they dont get a ping back, they will get a "NACK" of some sort. using the DROP rule with iptables, your server will simply DESTROY anything incoming that it doesn't want. you tell it to DROP all connections coming from 24.x.x.x, its gona take EVERY SINGLE PACKET from any IP that begins with 24.x.x.x and literally flush it down /dev/null. it will not send a reply of ANY SORT, it will simply take that packet and stick it where the sun dont shine. this is a feature EVERY SINGLE FIREWALL *SHOULD* have, but sadly dont. and omg...its so funny to use...multiple times I have blocked people from my TeamSpeak server and they have begun trying to laugh at me saying that I took the server DOWN hahaha....its funny hearing thier replies when I tell them that no really the server is working fine...your ass is just blackholed bitch, enjoy it. theres so much you can do with iptables, i could write about it all night...but dont worry i wont :P
theres so much i do with my machines that i havent mentioned, just a general overview on how linux is used on my network and why i prefer it over any piece of windows software you can get.
one thing i should recommend though..the only way to TRUELY enjoy linux, is to have a seperate machine running it. we're all windows users, and mixing the two is just not good. you can make a good linux server out of an old 486 lying around, so check it out. im telling you right now....a properly fortified linux server is like a brick wall....no matter how hard you punch, you're only gonna hurt yourself. you ain't breaking it.
MjukisDjur
11-02-04, 12:07
If 90% of all people used Linux then you would see some serious security breaches there too. And a lot of confused people not having a clue what the heck they were doing.
Originally posted by MjukisDjur
If 90% of all people used Linux then you would see some serious security breaches there too. And a lot of confused people not having a clue what the heck they were doing.
People say that..."oh if 90% of the world used linux there would be bazillions of virus' and holes in linux too!"
But that is incorrect.
Virus'? Without root access, a virus wont do shit...it is literally IMPOSSIBLE to create a virus for linux that can do any harm whatsoever when you aren't logged into root. And every smart admin knows to ONLY log into root when necessary.
Security breaches? Unlike many windows based firewalls, unix based onces actually WORK properly...if you tell it to drop all incoming packets on a certain port, its gonna drop them ALL...no matter what. No and/if/buts.
Its just a different thing. It will never have the problems windows does.
Obviously someone hasnt taken buissness management 101. What makes Windows so great is its simplicity, hence why MS is the #1 software gaint.
Most people dont wanna take classes just to be able to check theyre email or run program, most people dont wanna read a book on how to setup a connection or have to compile every program they want to use.
Windows Interface is just point and click which is the way by now (pcs have been out around what, almost 20 years) it should be, its the next logical step. And the reason it will never have as many problems as windows is because it wont get as big as windows, plus its differences between each users version.
But anyways back on topic, nope i highly doubt a linux version will ever come to existance, ever. If you wanna play a windows game, you just gonna have to get windows.
ok, hope BDoY runs on WineX that would be nice.
MjukisDjur
11-02-04, 20:36
You are not supposed to run XP as admin either to be correct and if you firewall, antivirus and patch your system with the shit available you will have a system atleast as secure as Linux. XP is as secure as you want it to be.
Originally posted by MjukisDjur
You are not supposed to run XP as admin either to be correct and if you firewall, antivirus and patch your system with the shit available you will have a system atleast as secure as Linux. XP is as secure as you want it to be.
Windows firewall's are usually a joke, I have yet to see one thats impressively powerfull. They all have little annoying problems and things they SHOULD do, but don't.
As for antivirus software...it weighs down the system, sucks that you MUST have it on a windows server...it really does. Complete waste of ram and cpu cycles.
ohhh Funky,
i've never used Linux before, but im interested in learning PHP and what not, so my school has provided me with an oldish machine with Linux on it :D and a bunch of software, so g0rt if you have any tips or guides for a linux n00b, please pm me with them :)
Only thing is i actualy cant get on the linux machine atm, as the IT techs at my school didnt give me the login details, heh
~Tratos
If only the MickeySoft could make theyr OS more stable and secure... I mean, when i bought this new comp, it only took 2 weeks before i got a virus on my comp and had to reformat. And yes im using a firewall (ZoneAlarm Pro) and virus scanner (Norton AntiVirus). Actually im not even sure if it was a virus, it actually looked like someone deleted my WinXP when it was online for four days. I just wouldnt start and it said that "WindowsXP files were fucked up and we here in MickeySoft love ya for buying this c**p!". Well it didnt say that but i think it WAS trying to tell me that. Also my comp has a mind of its own and it doesnt like XP. Sometimes my ATI Radeon just turns somehow off and it wont give any signal to the monitor. And no my graphics card aint broken, i have changed it and some experts tested my comp at the place where i bought it from and they couldnt find anything that would cause that. And i dont have any viruses or trojans (thanks to Norton, AdAware and SpyBot).
What i mean with this post is that if NC would work on Linux, i wouldnt hesitate a second to format my HD 150 times to make sure that theres nothing left of Windows on my comp and i would install Linux right away.
MjukisDjur
11-02-04, 20:54
who the heck mentioned windows built in firewall? :P
G0rt, u got a picture of your woodie? Id love to see it.
Originally posted by Marx
http://dirtynuke.net/linux.jpg
Evidently it's a porno gathering device.
Hey! That's the gorgeous Lisa Faulkner! :9
Eddie
Mighty Max
11-02-04, 21:18
Virus'? Without root access, a virus wont do shit...it is literally IMPOSSIBLE to create a virus for linux that can do any harm whatsoever when you aren't logged into root. And every smart admin knows to ONLY log into root when necessary.
That is simply not true. Yes, that _should_ be the way, but security holes work just around that. For sure it is more likely that those holes are found...
BUT there were already some of those bugs/holes around. I can remember one for example that used a bug in the module loader that allowed a custom app to inherit its root rights.
So the perfect door for an virus. And infact linux is not as flexible to close this hole fast. There are too much different installations of linux, millions of different compiles. Try to fix all those systems without harming any other things running on that machine. (some apps wont run on newer kernels ... espacially classified systems ;) )
I would never ever call any OS save. I've seen too much oddities ...
trigger hurt
11-02-04, 23:03
Originally posted by Mighty Max
That is simply not true. Yes, that _should_ be the way, but security holes work just around that. For sure it is more likely that those holes are found...
BUT there were already some of those bugs/holes around. I can remember one for example that used a bug in the module loader that allowed a custom app to inherit its root rights.
So the perfect door for an virus. And infact linux is not as flexible to close this hole fast. There are too much different installations of linux, millions of different compiles. Try to fix all those systems without harming any other things running on that machine. (some apps wont run on newer kernels ... espacially classified systems ;) )
I would never ever call any OS save. I've seen too much oddities ...
It is true. It's a well known fact that it is fairly difficult to write a virus for *nix, simply because they virii need root access to move out of a Lusers' /home/ directory.
linux is not a distribution. linux is the kernal and the parts of the kernal that assist it in functioning. everything else that is added in is all 3rd party software. If you have a problem with a supposed 'hole' in a kernal, it's usually found quickly. Why? Because there are more than a team of 30 people working to find issues then report them next month. There are always work-arounds to close off a possible exploit.
Linux is not totally exploitless, rootkits are a bitch, leaving services open that don't need to be running and are easily exploitable tend to be the biggest culprit when a *nix box is rooted. That is an issue of poor administration, not an issue of something being wrong with the system.
Anyone who claims linux can't be breached is probably someone who doesn't spend alot of time reading about security. The difference is that when a linux box is locked down properly and hardened to the max, you will have one bitch of a time rooting it, meanwhile, all some script kiddie has to do to crack a windows machine is search for know, unfixed exploits, find a script to run against a target box and poof.
waste of their time. They couldn't even(not because they couldn't but because it just wasn't financially sound to) port half life to linux, and look how damn popular that game is.
Originally posted by bounty
waste of their time. They couldn't even(not because they couldn't but because it just wasn't financially sound to) port half life to linux, and look how damn popular that game is.
Yet both ID and Epic can manage to port the ever popular Quake and Unreal Tournament series of games.
What I like about linux is choice. Windows XP forces you to install and keep Internet Explorer, Outlook Express, Movie Maker and numerous other compeltely useless programs.
Front page of yesterday's (Wednesdays) Daily Telegraph - massive Windows networking exploit affecting all versions of Windows from NT up. Microsoft have known about it for 200 days. The company that found it has a website with known unfixed exploits counted, along with the number of days they've been known for - it's a frightenening report for any Windows admin. If the security company and Microsoft have known about htis for 200 days, how likely is it that a hacker has also found this exploit?
The recent MyDoom series of viruses / worms have been named by the media as one of the most serious attacks to date, yet they use known exploits in Microsoft software to do their job.
Linux bugs on the other hand are fixed quickly and efficiently, mainly helped by the sheer number of coders working on the project, not to mention the fact that the source code is open for all to review and scrutinise.
Viruses do exist for linux, but because of the openness of the OS, as soon as a coder gets hold of one they can fix the problem, submit the patch and systems can be patched the same day (most linux distro's now come with auto-updaters - SuSE's is very easy to use).
I find Linux very easy to use as a desktop OS (I use it for work, and Neocron is the only game i play that's keeping me from using it full time for gaming). There are improvements that can be made, and they will undoubtedly be made. With Windows, if there's a problem, missing feature, bug, loophole, etc the only people who can fix it are Microsoft.
There are a number of programs I use on Windows that I haven't yet found good linux replacements for (Fireworks and DreamWeaver mainly - tho DreamWeaver and Photoshop run almost perfectly using Wine / Crossover Office). But I believe these programs will be released in time. I personally, as well as many over web developers i know, would love to see Macormedia port their Studio range of programs to Linux.
Here's to hoping for a linux port, or failing that BDoY runs under Wine without problems.
Athon Solo
The only thing I use Windows now for is NC and Truespace 6.5.
The latest patch seems to have screwed up mozilla (at least). I am getting various networking related problems and the only thing all the machines have in common is this patch.
anything over 4 lines reply seems to cause Mozilla to die :/ (hence the reason I am replying instead of editing.
Originally posted by Marx
http://dirtynuke.net/linux.jpg
Evidently it's a porno gathering device.
*runs to home computer*
FORMAT C:\
*Installs linux, pants down....*
:D
Mmmm I hope you linux guys are ready to buy a UNIX licence.
Only $699 from your friendly SCO dealer ;)
Originally posted by CkVega
Mmmm I hope you linux guys are ready to buy a UNIX licence.
Only $699 from your friendly SCO dealer ;)
lol. Read it more. its a pump and dump scheme by SCO. I pity the poor sobs that bought shares in them.
Originally posted by Archeus
lol. Read it more. its a pump and dump scheme by SCO. I pity the poor sobs that bought shares in them.
hehe yeah.
back on topic, I heard that someone in my old clan was using Linux/unix to run NC, I'll see if I can get hold of her and find out if/how she did it.
Originally posted by athon
Yet both ID and Epic can manage to port the ever popular Quake and Unreal Tournament series of games.
What I like about linux is choice. Windows XP forces you to install and keep Internet Explorer, Outlook Express, Movie Maker and numerous other compeltely useless programs.
Front page of yesterday's (Wednesdays) Daily Telegraph - massive Windows networking exploit affecting all versions of Windows from NT up. Microsoft have known about it for 200 days. The company that found it has a website with known unfixed exploits counted, along with the number of days they've been known for - it's a frightenening report for any Windows admin. If the security company and Microsoft have known about htis for 200 days, how likely is it that a hacker has also found this exploit?
The recent MyDoom series of viruses / worms have been named by the media as one of the most serious attacks to date, yet they use known exploits in Microsoft software to do their job.
Linux bugs on the other hand are fixed quickly and efficiently, mainly helped by the sheer number of coders working on the project, not to mention the fact that the source code is open for all to review and scrutinise.
Viruses do exist for linux, but because of the openness of the OS, as soon as a coder gets hold of one they can fix the problem, submit the patch and systems can be patched the same day (most linux distro's now come with auto-updaters - SuSE's is very easy to use).
I find Linux very easy to use as a desktop OS (I use it for work, and Neocron is the only game i play that's keeping me from using it full time for gaming). There are improvements that can be made, and they will undoubtedly be made. With Windows, if there's a problem, missing feature, bug, loophole, etc the only people who can fix it are Microsoft.
There are a number of programs I use on Windows that I haven't yet found good linux replacements for (Fireworks and DreamWeaver mainly - tho DreamWeaver and Photoshop run almost perfectly using Wine / Crossover Office). But I believe these programs will be released in time. I personally, as well as many over web developers i know, would love to see Macormedia port their Studio range of programs to Linux.
Here's to hoping for a linux port, or failing that BDoY runs under Wine without problems.
Athon Solo
You're an idiot if you think KK can even come close to the financial backing that iD or epic have. Besides they have 10x the talent. take a course in sales 101 and i'll take something you say into consideration. Most the gamers i know are so into gaming too, they don't have time to learn a time consuming OS like linux. They want to game. I would be the same way if, over the years I got frusterated by various computer problems. For a large population of the people, if they can check their email and look at ebay, they aren't too concerned about anything else.
Linux is a waste of time and money, look at the demographics.
Nash_Brigham
12-02-04, 12:21
Originally posted by g0rt
People say that..."oh if 90% of the world used linux there would be bazillions of virus' and holes in linux too!"
But that is incorrect.
Virus'? Without root access, a virus wont do shit...it is literally IMPOSSIBLE to create a virus for linux that can do any harm whatsoever when you aren't logged into root. And every smart admin knows to ONLY log into root when necessary.
Security breaches? Unlike many windows based firewalls, unix based onces actually WORK properly...if you tell it to drop all incoming packets on a certain port, its gonna drop them ALL...no matter what. No and/if/buts.
Its just a different thing. It will never have the problems windows does. Actually, it's quite true. Any hacker, in the world, can hacka nd put a virus in a Linux database. The only simple viruses out there are the older ones slightly altered by wannabe hackers. The newer, hardcore computer viruses, will even eat a linux program alive. Linux is about as secure as McDonald's. Sorry, you love the program so much, but face the facts. If it was the major OS of the world base, everyone would be bitching about Linux and praising Microsoft for usch a stable and virus free OS.
Linux has had its fair share of worms/viruses. Granted the majority of viruses do dick unless you run as root, but only idiots would run as root when they don't have to.
What seperates MS and linux in that regard though is a fix is normally available within hours if it is found in Linux, and backdoors, trojans put into the software are found straight away. MS sat on this bug for 6 months, and there are more coming and god knows what else is in the operating system.
Vampire222
12-02-04, 14:31
omg linux sex!
I have SuSe Linux 9.1 (or is 8.1, the box is at home)... And I have never seriously installed it :(
I want to, I just don't have a use for it atm, although once I have my game running permanently it will probably make an excellent firewall box (assuming I can set it up efficiently).
The plan is, because my router is shit and won't let me run a server unless it is in the DMZ (virtual server won't work for it), to put the linux firewall, and hence the Windows based server connected to the linux box, behind it.
Is this worthwhile? Or should I just leave the Windows based server connected to the DMZ and lock up windows?
I heard about a different firewall program, smoothwall is it? Perhaps I should use that on the wannabe linux system instead, and as it is a server, does the firewall system between the server and then net need to be particularly high specification to handle the number of people through to it?
Steve
Originally posted by g0rt
People say that..."oh if 90% of the world used linux there would be bazillions of virus' and holes in linux too!"
But that is incorrect.
Virus'? Without root access, a virus wont do shit...it is literally IMPOSSIBLE to create a virus for linux that can do any harm whatsoever when you aren't logged into root. And every smart admin knows to ONLY log into root when necessary.
Security breaches? Unlike many windows based firewalls, unix based onces actually WORK properly...if you tell it to drop all incoming packets on a certain port, its gonna drop them ALL...no matter what. No and/if/buts.
Its just a different thing. It will never have the problems windows does.
Hmmm one simple reply Linux is just like Win writen by humans. written by humans means flaws so basically windows and linux are just as (un)save.
If you are a hacker and want to hit people why wasting time finding the flaws in a OS that cover 10% of the market. if you want to hust hurt the masses simple as that.
Originally posted by reddog
If you are a hacker and want to hit people why wasting time finding the flaws in a OS that cover 10% of the market. if you want to hust hurt the masses simple as that.
Where did you pull that 10% from?
Aww some people are just so stupid... I mean, they compare Windows and Linux, and then say that Linux would have as many bugs and viruses if it were more popular. Well the truth is that Linux works differently than Windows, and it IS much more secure. Have you ever heard a Linux worm that would have infected 50% of its user computers? And true is that Linux IS very popular, i have never seen any statics but i think that Apple, Mac and Linux users are about 60-70% of all computer users. The reason is that those computers and OS are much more secure and stable. Most of those users use theyr OS for work, have you ever heard about a good company (movie for example) that use Windows? I mean, noone really uses it. I belive that nearly 98% of all movies that are made are edited with Mac or Apple (prolly Mac). Most of the hacks that are made for windows are based on that fact that its a closed source OS, and that means that only the programmers that made it can edit it. Linux is a open source, and nearly every bug/hack (there arent much) are fixed in a week.
The truth is that Linux needs some skill to use (dont delete the OS files doh stupid ppl...), so you guys are just fecking lazy or dont just know how to use a computer properly if you think that Linux sucks. And the OS with Linux is really quite similiar to Windows, and its much more staple...
Heh.. This has to be the 3rd or 4th thread ever posted on the NC for Linux topic. And yet again, Odin and Co. comes in with their big stick to put it to rest. Sorry folks, its just not going to happen, and I don't think MJS and Co. are going to openly give us their source to port it to Linux. Though, the challenge would be welcomed.
Its kinda sad to see a development team take this stance, but nothing new. It costs a lot of money to bring in decent Linux developers, cause the problem isn't the porting the code (And just to state, porting from DX to OpenGL, is HELL) The real problem is making it run on the different distros out there, each having their own tweaks and shit. But, honestly in the end, when Linux picks up more headway on the desktop side of things, the company that has supported it from the beginning (and with decent games), will have a lead start to success.
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LINUX is coming.. There is nothing to stop the wheels of evolution!! Ph34r D4 P3ngu1n!!!
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And before running off to attempt to use WineX (I only tried on versions 2.x, 3.0 and 3.1) to play NC, allow meh to spare ya the grief.
It does work, kinda... If you don't mind seeing what people are saying, or seeing who's around ya. There is a problem with the font rendering with WineX and NC. I have spent countless hours hacking the code and playing with file structures to get it fixed, and it boils down to the problem being WineX. The mouse is VERY erratic and touchy as well.. The slightest movement sends ya into spins. Its like have your mouse sensitivity turned up to 1000+. Its just insane...
The boys over at Transgaming won't do shit, unless its voted within the top 5 or top 10 games to support.
AND PLEASE, do not bombard meh with PMs asking how!! Here is a hint, if ya dare to run it. You'll need to copy the NC directory from Windows to Linux.
Some players over in Germany did hack a version of WineX to allow NC playable, but it only supports a certain patchlevel(s) of NC. The NC changes up to date are too much of a change to make it playable again today. And the hacked Wine hasn't been update since June of last year.
FUN!
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12-02-04, 15:27
Originally posted by CkVega
Mmmm I hope you linux guys are ready to buy a UNIX licence.
Only $699 from your friendly SCO dealer ;)
I doubt that is going to happen. Out of the several hundred thousand lines of code, only a handful can be attributed to SCO, which were released into open source back when Microsoft didnt own 250million in shares of SCO stock.
Unix doesnt bother me. As an ASP/ASP .Net programmer, I know it will be a long long time before the US Govt ever switches over to something that is open source and lacking an enormous company behind it that it can place blame on. The US fed govt just spent like 10 billion on NMCI, and that will be Windows based til the end of time.
Ah, job security. :)
...my main server (www.zoneseek.ca) which runs all my heavy duty shit...this ones defended up the ass. i got some nifty little security settings on it, go ahead and portscan zoneseek.ca .... ill know it minutes later no matter where I am, because a small script I have running will SMS msg my cell phone with your IP and if i find you to be a threat...
How many SMS's per minute from how many IPs would you like to receive, maybe we can do some sort of record ;)
Personally I think that games like Quake have been intented to be used on Linux systems besides the Windows version. Quake uses OpenGL, John Carmack contributed to open projects like Utah GLX (which basicly provides OpenGL and GLX drivers for certain graphic cards) ... just to give you some impressions.
To add some stuff to the security discussion: Security is just an illusion. You may have a brick wall where everyone will bounce off or just die at, but if you start offering services your wall has holes, and these holes are as safe as the underlying servers are. Only thing to protect you there is to open these holes to trusted users only ... but giving trust to someone implies always a risk ... And all that assumes your brick wall is really a brick wall because you can't be sure of that fact either. The safest way to be present on the "net" nowadays is to use a non-Windows-OS on top of a non-x86 architecture, it's not technically safer, but you are just "out of the way".
Viruses only affect idiots, plan and simple. I used to get a virus/trojan here and there back in the day, but that was when i really didnt care. Everyones quick answer to fixing a trojan/virus is reformat. Before my HD died last month, I had it for 4 years and never once reformatted it no matter how severe the problem was, I always went thru dos, boot up disks and everything to get my shit back.
See the real funny thing is most viruses and trojans are gained thru ILLEGAL downloads. Your downloading some cdkey gen off of kazaa? deserves you right for being a idiot and thinking kazaa is good for downloading cd key gens. Looking thru your mail and seen a msg from some unknown dude and it has a attachment? SURE why not dl it and run it, it says freeporn.exe!
People keep yappin about "Ooo its the OS its so flawed!", no its you the idiot who dont have a clue how to use it thats flawed. Sure Windows has its EXTREME backdoors, but in the hmm 5-6 years I've used it, I never once got hit with those backdoors, or hit with a virus that was on the news, Shit..or anyone I knew.
http://www.neoinfo.co.uk/linux_nc.jpg
Chatlog, etc covered to protect the innocent... :D
Originally posted by tobolt
[*Snip*
Very sweet. What's the FPS like on that?
Originally posted by bounty
You're an idiot if you think KK can even come close to the financial backing that iD or epic have. Besides they have 10x the talent. take a course in sales 101 and i'll take something you say into consideration. Most the gamers i know are so into gaming too, they don't have time to learn a time consuming OS like linux. They want to game. I would be the same way if, over the years I got frusterated by various computer problems. For a large population of the people, if they can check their email and look at ebay, they aren't too concerned about anything else.
Linux is a waste of time and money, look at the demographics.
Linux is a waste of money - at the grand sum of FREE (and even if you do buy boxed, most of the time you get infinite seats on 1 box), and Windows at £200 a seat isn't?
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