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ok....i never thought i would say this but......the new drones, are ....erm over powered
/me slaps on ing 4 and gets a heat 25 off clan ppu
now to continue
i never thought drones were a crap thing, i have on several times
(pre-patch) chansed 5 -6 FF around cycrow with a PN and a
couple of revenges :D ask rade he was laughing and DMed fenix
about it (useing the forum names i don't think they are the in
game names)
but now basically the dmg is doubled due to the RaF increase, so
u have this small thing thats quiet high up and hard to target
some times out of range of monks, only a TT lazar or rav or
storm for a tank to kill it (melee is fubared), the only people
who can defend against it well......is the PE or spy due to stealth.
I do admit before this patch dorneing was a absalut CROCK OF SHIT
for a few reasons, high TL = long build time + long reseach time = expensive
Relativly low Health on them, a few HP shots and u would be
down (HP= holy para) Since the nerf on holy para its more
reasonable as u can't be sniuped or spammed but a HP or
armour increase would be nice
Bugs Bugs Bugs,
But a few of these has been delt with, like the colision dmg and
the bug to launch a drone, which makes it more viable
btw if some one says that im talking out of my arse.....ill do one of
2 things for you, ask a m8 if i can log his droner on pluto and kick
ur ass or ill re-install TS and kick ur ass ( as long as ur not spy or
a PE as atm a tank or a Monk is fucked if he comes across a Drone
Thoughts sujestions (whines?) and solutions
The Drones ******** apu's fully buffed.. kinda like a flying turret.. except they hurt moreo_O
Its really that if the drone doesnt stop moving, and its out of range. your screwed. Good droners did it with the PN b4. I havent had more than 1 encounter with a droner yet.
mosquito at MB... it was luck, and I was stealthing way past the heavy drugflash level because I simply couldnt hit teh damn thing. I escaped with 8 hp...
Originally posted by Ascention
The Drones ******** apu's fully buffed.. kinda like a flying turret.. except they hurt moreo_O
whats with the ******, this forum is for people who play for the
game, A it has a +15 cert and u have to have a credit card to use
thats +18 so why u moderating out posts :confused:
yeah the drones now....jsut rappee and melee tanks are jsut fucked
Every class have ranged weapons who can easly destroy the drone , exept the monk who doenst have such high range anymore...
But yeah u can get ********** before u even located the drone....and in the night...Hmm Drones sounds fun might try them later :D
Originally posted by Sefran
Every class have ranged weapons who can easly destroy the drone , exept the monk who doenst have such high range anymore...
The melee tank doesent, as a melee tank you just gotta run ... theres NOTHING you can do to it...
Darth Slayer
07-02-04, 14:08
Well erm wtf ?
I wondered how long the whine posts about drones where gonna start.....:rolleyes:
And u are whining OMFG a droner can kill meh now NERF the drones.
Please theres still a hell of a lot of problems with drones even with these new ones. Try shooting someone with a Holy shelter on with a PN and watch those single digits.
Please I been droning a Year + throu the bad times and now we have a light at the end of the tunnel u want to nerf us !
So STOP whine.
Scorpius.
Yeah, melee/apu's are pretty screwed if sum1 picks on them with a drone.. not to mention the drone R.apes a fully buffed apu.. not sure bout other classes..:(
Originally posted by Darth Slayer
Well erm wtf ?
I wondered how long the whine posts about drones where gonna start.....:rolleyes:
And u are whining OMFG a droner can kill meh now NERF the drones.
Please theres still a hell of a lot of problems with drones even with these new ones. Try shooting someone with a Holy shelter on with a PN and watch those single digits.
Please I been droning a Year + throu the bad times and now we have a light at the end of the tunnel u want to nerf us !
So STOP whine.
Scorpius.
If you remember it was my drone thread that got to like 15 pages, probably what prompted them to boost drones this patch, Im loving playing my droner, at soliko the other night, there was a 4 clan OP war, with 5 drones in the air, fightin eachother lol :lol: was a new experience :D Just sef said that everyone has ranged weapons, I was pointing out that melee doesent. But I made that chouce when i lommed to melee
I think the big increase of droners alone shows that there are some heavy balancing issue that need to be taken care of.
Darth Slayer
07-02-04, 14:18
Originally posted by \\Fényx//
If you remember it was my drone thread that got to like 15 pages, probably what prompted them to boost drones this patch, Im loving playing my droner, at soliko the other night, there was a 4 clan OP war, with 5 drones in the air, fightin eachother lol :lol: was a new experience :D Just sef said that everyone has ranged weapons, I was pointing out that melee doesent. But I made that chouce when i lommed to melee
Soz Mate was not having a go at you, it's like any class has it's advantages and disadvantages, a good melee tank turns anybody into shishkabab. A good droner ditto same for everyother class now that drones are good for something you will all learn to have to fight them again.
Scorpius
Originally posted by \\Fényx//
Im loving playing my droner, at soliko the other night, there was a 4 clan OP war, with 5 drones in the air, fightin eachother lol :lol: was a new experience :D
I can see it now:
"Clan> Info: Outpost Nemesis Lab is under attack. Security turret destroyed."
clannie 1 "wtf. We're being hacked. Quick, GR."
clannie 1 "wtf. We're being hacked. Quick, GR."
clannie 1 "wtf. We're being hacked. Quick, GR."
clannie 1 "wtf. We're being hacked. Quick, GR."
clannie 2 "STFU"
clannie 2 "STFU"
clannie 3 "Erm wait, do we have any droners online?"
clannie 2 "No."
clannie 3 "Ah sod it. nm. Let them have the op."
:D :D 8| :wtf:
:lol:
Darth Slayer
07-02-04, 14:24
Originally posted by Sorin
I can see it now:
"Clan> Info: Outpost Nemesis Lab is under attack. Security turret destroyed."
clannie 1 "wtf. We're being hacked. Quick, GR."
clannie 1 "wtf. We're being hacked. Quick, GR."
clannie 1 "wtf. We're being hacked. Quick, GR."
clannie 1 "wtf. We're being hacked. Quick, GR."
clannie 2 "STFU"
clannie 2 "STFU"
clannie 3 "Erm wait, do we have any droners online?"
clannie 2 "No."
clannie 3 "Ah sod it. nm. Let them have the op."
:D :D 8| :wtf:
:lol:
:lol: I like it.......:D
U could almost replace the droner with PPU or APU.......:D
I disagree i think droners are sitting just about perfect right now. They finally got the loving that droners needed badly and now you just don't stop and let the pretty little drone hit you. Now when you see a drone you run like hell and take cover. Its still very easy to down drones given the situation. For instance instead of op fights being fought out in the open i see people taking cover in hack rooms and buildings to make drones at a disadvantage. Each class is beginning to have its own special advantages in combat thus you can't just rely on one class to win a fight and every class is important.
And like fenix put it now we are seeing some awesome dogfights taking place at ops. The only gripe i have with drones at the moment is how they are labeled in local. It makes it oh so difficult to distinguish between a friend and foe drone. Mostly because you don't see what faction the drone is until its too late. So instead of having "MOSQUITO" on local how about "MOSQUITO (TG)" 2 letter abbreviation for each faction.
Originally posted by Genty
I think the big increase of droners alone shows that there are some heavy balancing issue that need to be taken care of.
That also might have something to do with droners being (relatively) usefull for the first time. I've had a droner for 6+ months but never bothered to lvl it coz I spend more drones on a mob then I got reward of the mob.
Making a class viable gets increasing numbers of that class...simple as that. Especially with the hi %age of bored players that have "seen it all".
so ur saying cos u had it shit before u deserved to be over powered now ??o_O
yeah like your logic
Darth Slayer
07-02-04, 14:35
Originally posted by Ryuben
so ur saying cos u had it shit before u deserved to be over powered now ??o_O
yeah like your logic
We're not overpowered please explain your BS statement ?
Scorpius.
Originally posted by KuifJe
That also might have something to do with droners being (relatively) usefull for the first time. I've had a droner for 6+ months but never bothered to lvl it coz I spend more drones on a mob then I got reward of the mob.
Making a class viable gets increasing numbers of that class...simple as that. Especially with the hi %age of bored players that have "seen it all".
Your right, it's nice to see droners being useful, it adds a variety of thing to fight. However, there is a difference between an increase in numbers and seeing that class at every hunting ground and OP war compared to when you would see 1 or 2 here and there every now and again.
I don't have a droner anymore, therefore can't comment on many things, however I feel the range of the Particle Nem is too far, it can be so high in the sky only very long range weapons can hit it, also, if it is high enough it is pritty immune to Vehicles.
I'm quite happy with the latest patch for droners. I really enjoyed an op war last night on Saturn (Grant) and my drones actually lasted longer during the fight.
Although my droner is certainly not "uber" skilled in pvp (yet) I would say I definately caused some panic and a few dead people :D
I don’t think your criticisms are accurate, why?
Well firstly before the recent boosts droners were well inadequate to say the least, sure a skilled droner could do some damage in the right situation but in general it was far more worth while to go rifle spy for just for the increase in combat versatility and overall damage output.
Now with the boost, droners now have a comparable offence to a rifle spy albeit slightly lower overall and the rifler still maintains his ability to evade the enemy and continue doing damage. People aren’t crying about rifle (or pistol) spies are they? No! Why? Because rifle spies are in the traditional mode of play person-to-person, face-to-face. Now with drones its different, when a droner fights another person that person is in combat with a small mobile weapons platform. People scream "its too hard to target" "I'm melee I cant do anything" which may be true, but your tactics are all wrong!
Don’t kill the drone (unless your a monk or have super human aim) kill the droner. Zones aren’t that big and for example if what I’m lead to believe is true melee tanks have plenty of speed and should have no trouble covering the ground to find him, and to continue that analogy if you were in a fight with a cs tank you’d be taking a lot more damage, the only difference being in this case you have to wait to deliver your counterstroke, but when you do its game over droner.
To return to my original point, droners have a number of notable disadvantages in comparison to a rifle spy, I've already mentioned the mobility and reduced damage factors, but in addition to this there are a number of other points:
* Drones are locked into one damage type we cant ammo mod our drones like other classes can their weapons a PN does energy the Mossie does Pierce/Force. No other class has this disadvantage with the exception of monks but they deal damage far in excess of what a droner will ever be able to do.
* In a similar vein drones are hard to cap, it takes a large allocation of your points to truly squeeze the maximum damage out of a drone especially the blueprinted rares and following on from that:
* For a droner to combat effectively they need to be able to hide themselves a long way from the action, this means more willpower, more specialisation and fewer points for other things.
* Finally; although now droners may be competitive in advantageous (read: Outdoors, it takes a unique droner to win in confined spaces) 1v1 situations, they are still weak verses a group of people. With 2 or more people hunting him that droner is dead, he may take out one of them but the others will find him eventually and if they have a ppu they’ll be back on their feet in no time.
In conclusion then why are your criticisms invalid? You take a too narrow a view, your complaining about having to actually FIGHT a droner 1v1 for a change rather than massacre him and you completely ignore all the numerous disadvantages we as droners have to contend with. Yet you still scream nerf! Droners are now a viable combat alternative, people are coming back to droning not because were "ubar"(TM) but because we are now viable and some people who found droning fun but ultimately futile are giving it a second chance and those who heard it was useless first time round are giving it a shot, I for one am happy to see more droners and fewer monks, in the long run it adds much more variety to the game.
Lifewaster
07-02-04, 21:23
I'm happy for droners too.
I find PN still more of a threat than the new ones though, its faster and has more damage as far as I can see.
Shadow Dancer
07-02-04, 22:32
Well i haven't died to a drone yet. But I do see potential for them being overpowered.
Droners remind me of bless heal hybrids. To me, bless heal hybrids have oveprowered defense, but hardly anyone plays them because of the horrific offense.
Similar to drones, I think they have potential to be overpowered, but hardly anyone plays them. So any "problem" that is there might not be seen just yet.
Aren't droners like really high maintenance?
I remember one of my clanmates saying that someone was offering to build him 120 TL 120 drones for 4 million.
O_o
Personally, aside from any possible overpowered issues, I still think droners need a tweak. They need to be less high maintanence IMO.
the droners are perfect now, nothing needs to be nerfed... and no i dont have a droner.
stop ur fuckin whining
Clownst0pper
08-02-04, 02:59
find there body. Its that simple.
*blinks*
a good droner will have u dead before u can find his body THATS the problem.
For example the Cycrow zone there is one enterance onto the top of the moutain above CRP........so if u start to run there all the droner needs to do is, shoot you and if u really start to get close he can just drop the drone and relocate, with you none the wiser
But _has_ any one had a fight vs a droner with a capped PN or mossie?
hmmmm no replys if u made drones sligtly biger, gave them more armour and Then slightly reduced hte dmg it would be better
People say all u need to do is find his body.
Ok situation ur in gravis zone and a droner pops up, there is no cover at all ur a......Tank droner has a capped PN.
how do u find hte body ?? as well tbh ur dead
Clownst0pper
08-02-04, 03:24
But _has_ any one had a fight vs a droner with a capped PN or mossie?
Yep, 3 of my 4 characters all died, trying to get to this particular droners body, He had used a Hovertech to get on a hill where no character could run up.
So we had pretty much shit it, thats the only overpowered aspect, not having the ABILITY to get to there body, never mind find it.
Darth Slayer
08-02-04, 03:31
Ryuben whats your favourite class so I can start a nerf that class thread for this is all this thread is. You can't handle being attacked by drones so you scream nerf.
Actually around patch 160 or so they enlarged the drone hitboxes so they don't need to do that again. As for armor they need to add more tbh to the higher end drones.
I also say that the particle class of drones should be changed to pure Xray damage same as DOY bots.
Oh and the ****** drone view bug still needs fixing.
The bug where your drone gets stuck on Op walls also needs fixing.
I can go on and on and on.
Droners still ain't got it easy at least not the way you are making out.
Adapt my friend or die everytime a drone appears on your local list.
Scorpius.
Its funny alot of peole always scream nerf when a class gets a boost. People just have to learn to change your tactics. Instead of running around like a madman trying to find the droner's body go for cover and make the drone come down to eye level. Take away the advantage drones have and thats their speed and maneuverability. Don't try and shoot it out of the air when its a mile in the sky, get inside a building and again take away the advantage.
Everyone cried nerf the dev its too overpowered (and still are) but in most situations if you keep your distance from a dev tank they are easy to bring down. Same applies here.
I play a droner, i first thought they were indeed a bit overpowered. But after playing with them enough, i've decided that they aren't. They are balanced very nicely. IT still takes a ton of hits to kill a tank or a pe as a droner, especially compared to other weapons.
One thing that people fail to realize is that if you hit my drone, i cannot see a damn thing and become instantly confused. Furthermore, the range on the mosquito sucks balls. You might hit 1 of the 4 hits at most from a range more than a rock throw.
Second, sure they are tougher than before, but they still go down REALLY quickly. If you take down my drone i'm out of the picture for at least a few minutes due to my SI and getting another drone into flight and to the action again.
I think if people actually put a little fire on the drone, they will realize just how ineffective they can truly become. Instead of sitting there as if mesmorized "a flying thingy."
And about melee tanks, there is limitation of a melee tank against EVERY class. Besides, a melee tank can run and zone for safety, the drone cannot follow.
Originally posted by Darth Slayer
Ryuben whats your favourite class so I can start a nerf that class thread for this is all this thread is. You can't handle being attacked by drones so you scream nerf.
Scorpius.
erm
ok i have access to 9 chars on pluto
i play all classes.
i was talking from a droners PoV, as when u can kill 9...yes 9 people with a droner (PN and revenge's) not even the new ones before u are found then its kind of shows u the point and i DID point out that they had a lot of bugs remaining to be fixed, the main problem with drones is this when a drone is vs a solo tartget its normally drone wins, but thorw in a ppu and the drone becomes....well kinda useless but still in a 1 Vs 1 fight a droner will always win unless there is plenty of cover and/or his meat sack is near
and if i hear any other drones saying "we were useless before we deserve to be over powered now" grrrr walks away remembering hybrids saying "it takes ages for us to lvl our chars so we deserve to be uber"
Darth Slayer
08-02-04, 13:32
I'm not saying we should be overpowered we are not and kudos to the droner who killed the 9 ppl.
Now before drones where boosted I went to MB and killed all of a certain clan who where there raiding MB.
That was before boost and was with a PN.
In fact my body was found but I managed to kill the PE before he killed me. There are ways and means of defeating any class as enought people have pointed out on this and other threads.
Scorpius.
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
Yep, 3 of my 4 characters all died, trying to get to this particular droners body, He had used a Hovertech to get on a hill where no character could run up.
So we had pretty much shit it, thats the only overpowered aspect, not having the ABILITY to get to there body, never mind find it.
Why didn't you get a hover then?
Why not get another droner to get the droner?
Why not throw some aoe at him?
Ah well, lets nerf droners instead.
VVerevvolf
08-02-04, 15:33
Originally posted by Genty
I think the big increase of droners alone shows that there are some heavy balancing issue that need to be taken care of.
Lol.
A class finally becomes viable so ppl start to play it and you say it needs to be taken care of? :lol:
Keyol45743241
08-02-04, 15:47
Now imagine what happens if you meet a droner in the PP.... :rolleyes:
A Meleetankeh has capped resists and easily laughs at the damage. You're about as fast as a running meleetankeh with your drone and have the problem of inertia. That means, the meleetankeh can simply run away.
PPUs. You can kill them, if they forget their deflector & heal. Or if they have impairment, but only if they don't deceide to run around in cricles around a tree or worse, a building.
Anyone who finds you can kill you, especially stealthers. Spys are even worse than PEs, since the Stealth 1 or 2 usually runs out quickly enough to adjust your flightpath and score another hit. Once a Spy is stealthed, he's gone...
i'm sorry but the PN is not over powered at all don't know about the new drones, but on my rifle Pe I was attacked by a particle nemsis, it barely hurt me with my shelter on, and it got killed pretty fast by ray of god.
Shakey -=Tank=-
08-02-04, 16:07
I dont think the patch has made drones overpowered I think droners have been needing a boost for ages and I'm enjoying droning now :)
Darth Slayer
08-02-04, 17:30
Originally posted by Rai Wong
i'm sorry but the PN is not over powered at all don't know about the new drones, but on my rifle Pe I was attacked by a particle nemsis, it barely hurt me with my shelter on, and it got killed pretty fast by ray of god.
That was'nt me attacking u then........:p
If u can kill my PN with a ROG I'll shake your hand cry and Lom to rifles......:D
Scorpius.
Ok how can we droners be so good ?
A capped mosquito do 4 x 50 to a wb
What does a holy lightning do ?
And tha tdrone shhot about same range as
holy energy halo so not impossible to kill.
And for Genty
Use better gunner in the reveller you always pk
ppl in MB with and you get the droners too.
Drones may be powerful but hard to control and droner
itself is harmless himself if you find him.
Enough to fart on him and he dies.
So if you wanna nerf droners then nerf everyone
As there is long range weapons for all except
melee ppl.
At least long enough to take out drones
imo drones are fine atm, however i think ive changed my mind about the helmet removing them from local, that may be too overpowering. Perhalps the hemet should simply give them a local list for their body when in droning mode.
Keyol45743241
09-02-04, 00:18
Raptor is teh useless.... removes one heal every 5 or so seconds, doesn't even stack or remove heal sanctum. Crappy range, too... :(
Two Mosqs trouble a PPU more than a Raptor/Mosq combo. And due to the fact, that it needs 5 secs to work, the victim has healed most of his hitpoints. Thanks to the fact that you can't see who is being healed right away, you *have* delay. Not even not stopping at anti healing every enemy in sight helps..... :mad:
Well... as a point of trivia, few things can stand to the withering fire of the combined power of two mosquito drones. Just created a *huge* pile of backpacks and dead people at the CRP. I won't even start talking about the PPU who forgot his deflector while rezzing. :D
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