View Full Version : A walk down memory lane...
Q`alooaith
02-02-04, 16:27
Ok, early retail people, we all know who we are..
What do you miss from early retail, it don't have to be nice, or even kind to other people, but what do you rember about the "good old days"
Me, I miss the random killing myself.. everyone complained about them at the start and how the LE was nearly useless, but for all the complaining it made the world feel, somhow more solid, alway's watching your back while hunting..
MjukisDjur
02-02-04, 16:31
Starkes was fun, we all got admit that.
Being ganked by a xx/60 something faction ally or neutral while you are xx/30 isnt...
Yeah that was quite good, seeing as it was a kind of Trust Noone except your friends feeling.
I miss the way people were care free, noone was arsed about 'nerfs' or overpowered classes, noone care about bad bugs, people just got on with it.
Q`alooaith
02-02-04, 16:34
Yea.. But they played the bad guy's so well..
You'd alway's go oh shit when you saw in your local list the name's of the member's of HATE..
Some good times.. comming though a GR into the waiting gun barrel's of so many..
Not seeing a thousand monk's everywhere, well you'd see a monk and it'd be the uber hybrid.. but still..
Yea... These kid's have it a little too easy for my liking.. hell I rember before retail the aggy celler's simply didn't exsist, now them where good time's, I think I can trace all the loot nerf problem's right back to the aggy celler's implamentation...
but this is meant to be a happy look back at all the thing's we smile about and dream of their return..
Being PK'd by AntiPK on Saturn in OZ 4.
I was a low level Hybrid at the time and had no clue what the hell I was doing. :D
Good times! Good times!
Originally posted by MjukisDjur
Starkes was fun, we all got admit that.
Being ganked by a xx/60 something faction ally or neutral while you are xx/30 isnt... umm thats exactly what starkes did to me when i was xx/30, dont bother me
lol i remember getting killed as a 0/2 noob monk and losing both my glove and my only spell :lol: had to punch spiders till i had enough to get some more stuff.
early retail on saturn HATE are proberbly gonna be the major memory of most as they pk'd anything that moved, and if it wasnt moving its cos they had already pk'd it :P
umm my first big ops fights with MiG was fun, before then it had been smaller fights with my Followers of Crahn clan(seemingly reborn with Yamma in charge i belive)
I remember going to an Op the first night I played, in MoJ. Walked all the way to McPhearson with my Street Rifle, lol.
MjukisDjur
02-02-04, 16:40
hmm starkes wasnt that really high lvl he either? Cannot remember. I do remember the zone messages though. You couldnt miss what was going on :P
hehe
when people placed grenades between the cops and ts guards then zoned, the cop vs ts guard fights where the best :D
hehe, when the cop takes damage the other two (zone cops plaza 3 - pp1) would come rushing around the corner :angel:
the ts guards got ownd so badly, poof then hey nerfed it :(
anyone else remember this?
(Btw how do i get my sig to work?)
Originally posted by MjukisDjur
hmm starkes wasnt that really high lvl he either? Cannot remember. I do remember the zone messages though. You couldnt miss what was going on :P starkes used liberator meaning he would have to be 50+ easy
Originally posted by Q`alooaith
Me, I miss the random killing myself.. everyone complained about them at the start and how the LE was nearly useless, but for all the complaining it made the world feel, somhow more solid, alway's watching your back while hunting..
Thats what I miss too.
PKs alone or two of them on killing spree, no PPUs and stuff, just setup & skill. You had a good chance against them if you stood up.
All it went down to was a cruel world where you had to watch your back all the time. I really miss that...
Original monk
02-02-04, 16:56
i miss all my friends from early retail :/
i miss spamming to sell chittins at yo's at late beta4:
+ selling 100 chittins @ yo's pawnshop +
+ selling 100 chittins @ yo's pawnshop +
+ selling 100 chittins @ yo's pawnshop +
+ selling 100 chittins @ yo's pawnshop +
+ selling 100 chittins @ yo's pawnshop +
i miss finding a psicore in a warbot
i miss when lootrights where: who click first, gets first: i was sooo rich back then, i was the fastest looter (lootsnatcher) in the whole universe :P
i miss copbotrifles being dropped outta copbots, like i miss gatlingpistols being dropped outta aggresors
i miss overpowerd phosphorrifles (the mutant ones)
i miss nathan profit with he's flamer in PP
i miss the fear i had off a hoverbot :/
i miss fighting in PP1 with 1 to 3 fps: when ya actually succeed in killing someone it feels soooo good yust cause its so freaking hard to kill someone that jumps left, right and up in steps of 25 meters a second :P
i miss events where ya fataled every 2 seconds cause everyone on the server is packed in 1 zone at MB J_O1, daamn that was fun
i miss a server with 700+ people
i miss my hybrid
i miss to much to sum up, now ya made me think again :/
ciao
ZoneVortex
02-02-04, 17:08
damn straight Original Monk, I feel ya
them phosphor street rifles with scopes were definitely the shizzy back in the day
i remember recycling chitin for hours raising my dex and str like nuts
i remember when taking out and putting in the LE raised your dex and int, and doing it over and over again when i was bored, even if it was incredibly slow and i probably could have gotten better xp outside leveling
i remember my first OP war at McPherson vs. EoB on Pluto about 2 years ago heh....PPUs didn't matter...monks didn't matter...everyone was special for something- where did it go wrong!
instant psi boosters
psi shield
the origional hybrid incarnation before even the first nerf when we truly were unkilliable :)
MjukisDjur
02-02-04, 17:28
um, have psi shield ever been usefull even with insta boosters? Since the damn shield is without resist it just ate your mana like crap I recall
Originally posted by hinch
the origional hybrid incarnation before even the first nerf when we truly were unkilliable :)
bet you would be happy for that to be the case now wouldnt you:p
level 3 implants dropping from cyclopses/butchees... then KK making a shit-patch and leaving on vacation for a month :D
The first time starkes killed me has was rank 47
always remember that.
HATE
BETA (few are back)
The point red event, where everyone lost everything (rares esp.) because of -58SL
HATE (or random PKers generally)
Less specialisation
There are no real villains in the game atm... sure loads of people kill everyone who is red but come on, they don't really compare to the carnage that HATE unleashed. Maybe there are a few dudes like Vett who have tried to pick up their mantle.... but I don't think that anyone has been able to give the feeling of terror at seeing their names on local as HATE did.
I miss not knowing shit about the game and how thinking people with PA were really good. And not knowing shit about the rare weapons in the game.
I miss people camping spawn points in the OZ.
:(
Now its all empty.
before patch #160
the bats at crest village were awesome. tons of xp...and most of all....
tons and tons of weapons worth between 3k-8k....you could make masses of cash if you were a newbie there. approx 400k per hour or so.
plus, gr's to and from your app were free.
it was a bit more carebear, true. but for newb's twas a lot fmore fun having more cash to splash.
then they destroyed neocron with the notorious patch 160. and had to have 5 patches within a week to fix everything. lol.
The only thing that comes to mind when i think way back to early
retail is the day pluto opened. There were hundreds of people
leveling in the sewers, people from beta were trying to be the first
ones capped. Every common leveling spot in the city's were taken
and filled with noobs, I remember punching a 0/2 player to death
with my 1/6 tank just to have space to level!
Then there's all the veteran players from beta that were in early
retail and either got banned or quit, eon, etc. Those times were
the greatest.
The patch that boosted high ranked mobs to be be three times
as strong and powerful. Going up to the typical warbot was no
longer easy peazy, trees were your friend.
FBI
Everything. Nobody gave a shit about cash because the economy was busted, and nobody wanted MC5s because they didnt exist.
It was all about the levelling and messing around, not the capping and PvP. It was just a more fun game when you didn't care about being capped, you just wanted to have fun.
Now there is so much that if you aren't capped you can't use it, and therefore are a hell of a lot weaker than capped players.
[edit]Oh yeah, the many clans and people who ganked you, but they roleplayed it and talked to you before hand. I remember some guy saying "I'm going to kill you, and you can't run fast enough to get away", or the time I pissed off a clan, they came to my appy and I agreed to come down as if they had dragged me out. They then stood in a circle around me and their commander said "no guns". I was promptly beaten to death for my PKing sins. That's what made the game really fun for me.
Oh, oh, or the time me and a friend RPed that we lived in OZ and couldn't visit the city, and we levelled in OZ all the time and learnt it off by heart... and we had city people come out to the station just to take our money and orders and bring us the weapons we wanted.
The severe trust and reward from trusting them made it all very "wicked".
Steve
yeah hah i was spamming nade launcher in rats, some guy got pissed off and PKed me with baseball bat :D
Mr. Chainsaw
02-02-04, 18:10
I miss the spiderbot guards in TH, before they were replaced with turrets. They made funny clicking noises and servo sounds.
Copbots in Pepper Park were kind of funny, the way you would sometimes duck into dark courners to attack someone so they couldn't see you. You actually got to hear all their voice clips if they saw you with a gun, to do that these days you have to pull a gun out by the STORM Bots at the gate. Some of those clips are REALLY menacing :)
"Drop that weapon"
<pulls out gun>
"I said, put that weapon away."
<copbot gets ultra scary>
"Put...your...weapon...down!"
sanityislost
02-02-04, 18:30
the non-stop fighting in th was cool, even if ma noob hybrid died alot lol
Psyco Groupie
02-02-04, 18:38
when you could tell where people were on citycom ... i made some enemies .. they happened to be 3 higher tanks .. i remember my hybrid runnign around OZ with 3 tanks after me lmao
Doc Holliday
02-02-04, 18:43
being able to judge a tanks skill by the colour of his suit..... right before he drew the cs and pasted my 0/2 ass over the sewer wall.
also there being known pkers around who u could watch go in to the sewers as soon as a noob went in just to gank them. codename.sexy was one of em on uranus a long way back. Watching 5 other people watch her follow the noob and gank her was even better. specially with the old rules of drops before belts came in to play.
edit: forgot to put BRING BACK SMURFS!!! thank you.
Originally posted by ezza
bet you would be happy for that to be the case now wouldnt you:p
not really just a balanced hybrid :) not kk's current interpretation of what a hybrid should be which is btw clearly wrong :) but thats a different story and requires a 3rd psi subskill reintroducing
Beanie McChimp
02-02-04, 18:58
When I started playing I got lost in PP and was like woah this is cool there were like all the strippers lol.I didn'y know where to kill things for 2 weeks so I just explored the wastes.
i remember my first trip from TG to NC
leff driving an apc he wasa spy at the time
cray a droner spy
kjeldoran a tank
fridge a tank
me a hybrid monk (one of only 3 monks in clan)
leff had no ide where he was going and the drive took us about 4 hours along with sync and crash and other known car problems :)
we goto gates and it was the wrong gates at first it was the ones near simmons. so a quick turn around and we came to the main entrance it was like FUCK ME this place is big.
we went in side and got on the subway at outzone.
we got to pepper park into pp1 and i was like wtf where the hell am i :)
then us being tg we had a little fight in pp1 :) at this time i was like psi 40
then we got to p1 and i was like thank fuck it was fun and gave you an idea of size of the game which now seems tiny in comparison
I miss ganking people in the rat sewers on my 4/7 PE - and them dropping a "nice" weapon for me to pick up and sell :D
I did kill a 9/14 spy on my first day in NC with my 4 slot uzi :D
Damn i thought i was the shit (till he logged his alt smurf tank and pwnd me).....
I miss the hybrid, Neofrog (Ronins) fighting off over 8 tanks/PE's at a time, literally, killing every one of them, every day...
I miss my very first OP fight - WOW, OPs seemed HUGE back then...
I miss my first visit to Pepper park (escorted by OpTi - showing me the strippers :D)
I miss LOMs not having SI. Grrr.
I miss BioTech raiding the Canyons every day and killing all TG, me included. I miss chasing the guy with the CS in case it dropped from his Quck Belt (Note, thats not "drop in his QB" its " dropped from his QB".
1) Not knowing every inch of every map in the game.
2) Playing so much that I'd recognise most people by class and skin, without needing to look at their name. (Not joking :p)
3) The sewers in Plaza the day beta4 was released. I've never seen so many backpacks since :)
4) Not having to throw 95% of your points into specific skill to be combat viable. Nerf specialisation.
5) Hardly anyone understanding how resists worked. Heh.
Q`alooaith
02-02-04, 19:29
Somthing that no one has mentioned..
I miss the old ranking system, you didn't get the number's on the rank, so a / might realy a be a *** who'd just zoned a few times.. now that's where some of the fun went, knowing how strong everyone is before you fight em..
I miss big population.
You didn't have to scour the server for ages looking for a fight ...
just stand still in one spot for more than 30 seconds, and one would come to you :D
Mr. Chainsaw
02-02-04, 19:33
I miss the day when everyone thought resist force was a useless skill :)
"OMFG, fource dmg suxxorz anywai. 175 pointz in da transprt, w00t, I can carri a dr0m.
Q`alooaith
02-02-04, 19:33
Originally posted by kurai
You didn't have to scour the server for ages looking for a fight ...
just stand still in one spot for more than 30 seconds, and one would come to you :D
I can think of a few places where you can stand around and find somone who you could fight with...
and I can think of early retail there being places where you could stand and not see another player for hours..
Mr. Chainsaw
02-02-04, 19:36
Originally posted by Q`alooaith
and I can think of early retail there being places where you could stand and not see another player for hours..
outzone...:P Seriously, come to outzone everyone, it's a great place and property is cheap.
I miss the old tech part drop rate.
I miss gaining something out of PKing.
I miss not having to gimp myself to hell and back to cap ROF on a FL.
I miss being able to drive, repair, poke and hack and still get good stats on rifles (same as above)
I miss Rayguns being useless and everyone using Judge, FL, Lib, PE etc
I miss Sandcrawlers having bugged resist and taking 4x the amount of damage they should have taken.
I miss the high server populations.
I miss being able to PvP and have enjoyable fights at lvl /20.
I miss seeing green people and thinking "OMG WTF?!?!"
Whiety Bulger
03-02-04, 01:18
I miss Fatesender being the only mod and Bouff
The thing I miss most is the fear....
When I started you would get PK'd 2 or 3 times a day, and everyone you met was potential killer, these days I never get PK'd even with new characters.
Random PKers if done correctly (with good penalties to stop everyone doing it) add that element of fear which can make the game griping (along with good penalties for death)
Whiety Bulger
03-02-04, 03:44
I miss Fatesender, Bruce Crest, Lungfish, Eltanin, Nima, Democratious, Digital Dragon, da sweeds (Blixit NiteOps etc..), Saint, Agent Orange, ZeroHumor, HollowOne and the old forums and the Fuck You Wanker Forums and many other things.
I don't miss Solid_Snake or Gold Enshower
Originally posted by Lethys
I miss being able to PvP and have enjoyable fights at lvl /20.
Strangely enough, I had one of those earlier today. Was out at Jeriko leveling my low level tank and some oddball turns up and starts bugging me. Ended up in an all out brawn, with his Plasma Wave (of whatever version /30's use) vs. my Unlabeled Plasma Cannon. I sadly died (got him down to about 3 HP), but it was LOADS of fun.
Q`alooaith
03-02-04, 03:56
Originally posted by Lethys
I miss Sandcrawlers having bugged resist and taking 4x the amount of damage they should have taken.
Yea, I miss that too, esp when leveling after rerolling... They could go back to having less resist's now, what with them doing more damage..
WB in end room in storage 8 in OZ4....
i remember in B4.. we finally made it to the end... first time for me...
one guy says to me.. watch out... opened the doors we walked in... i came face to face with my first WB... "what the haaail is that" *zap* *zap*... eeeeeeeeek... *death - please pick a genrep*
i miss that sense of discovery... when everything was new...
i've been most places... only things i haven't seen... latent hover and the scorp queen..
so now i'm gettin into pvp... tons of fun.. even though i get my ass handed to me most of the time :D
I miss the population... I literally drooled at all the people I saw hunting wbs in the J's on saturn.... sooo many victoms. now its barren.
I miss raiding TH, TG and MB very badly... well being able to go inside.
I mis getting a tech off every wb and a bunch of implant K's off every wb killed.
miss level 3 imps off cyclops.
I miss being one of the handful of good people beucase I worked for it instead of havning a stupid skill manager..... man I REALLY miss that... people just couldnt understand how I could take 2 cs clips and live... no other pe could do it.. least none I met... then that god damn skill maneger came... man I miss thoes days...
Bit after retail release but i miss fighting the REAL NDA a OP fights :(
I miss getting pool form apu/ppu... psi shield being useful.. whe psi boosters were like stams.... lots o things... i miss being a not so nerfed hybrid :)
/edIt
yea and actually being able to raid places with out being killed by super human guards.
I miss the first month of retail, with everyone fighting with EPRs
and noob con setups dropping in 2 bursts. The war between
System Shock and 14K Triad, people like spezies and freejumper
etc putting the ph34r in me when I climbed the ladders of soliko
with my tangent assault rifle and meeting people with... PLASMA
WEAPONS!?!?!?! *splat*
Oh how could I forget, the 14K Triad vs Crimson Tide war. Now
theres a gang war for yall. PP1 through 3 was literred with
backpacks everywhere you looked. Me and Nexx (or Titus Endor..
no it was Nexx) arriving at the PP3 zone wall to find an army of
like 15 crimson tide semi noobs and somehow managing to kill em
all. Maximilian Twilight looting my dear 8 slotted EPR. Redd
Harvest giving me the go-ahead to terminate during the big
peace meeting that went sour, he didnt want to look like the bad
guy :D
trigger hurt
03-02-04, 05:15
I miss being truly nervous about walking into pepper park. Back when there was the possibility of me dropping one of my more favored weapons, it made me be really careful and look around every corner.
Now, I don't have to do that. I have a trusty safeslot that I keep my favorite weapon in and I have a belt that the crap I might drop will fall into.
I remember on several occasions, I was killed by styles in the canyon and I dropped a medkit. Boy, I miss that medkit.
BlackPrince
03-02-04, 07:45
I miss seeing the bunker at MB full, and then people running in terror as a TG raiding party rolled through it.
I miss noobs fighting back inside MB, me being my spy using a low level shotgun and actually hurting someone.
I miss the first time my clan and I went to tag the GRs around MB and ran into warbots.
I miss the feeling when I killed my first Marsh Hippo and marveled at the 'uber' experience.
I miss fights when over a 100 people would show up, lag the servers so bad everybody crashed.
I miss the look of terror on a tanks face when we had 5 tanks with rocket launchers blast him to hell (he got hit by 2 or 3 at the exact same time, talk about a one time shot).
I miss being able to drone and shoot rifles at the same time, plus drive a vehicle.
I miss seeing my tradeskiller buddies (Misguided and Jalthier), they quit when Specialisation was introduced.
I miss the smack talk on Zone chat and every other channel, it was good natured, now its endless lame flames.
I miss watching gaudhand wipe out an entire clan with his drones.
I miss the old drop system. You could always get good loot and there was always that fear that you would lose your gun.
I also miss the hazard worm armor bug... I capped Jack Drake the first time on those guys. My Judge did 400 a hit to them :D
Shadow Dancer
03-02-04, 08:25
I miss back when pvp wasn't imbalanced.
what?
Originally posted by Drake6k
miss the hazard worm armor bug... I capped Jack Drake the first time on those guys. My Judge did 400 a hit to them :D
When spies could out heal 2 worms + all ther espwn... dam hazard worms used to rule :-/
You mean except hybrids and CSs.... :)
Oh it will never be balanced shad.... you know it really...
I miss getting a 100 million tip on my constructor for a mod job in beta4 :D
I miss being a complete noob not knowing what the hell i was doing
I miss not knowing every inch of the city and walking around for hours trying to find back to plaza1
I miss my first visit to MB where I saw my first WBs, I was like double you tee eff mate...
I miss spending points everywhere without the slightest knowledge of what i was doing
I miss the droprate
I miss the days without MC5
I miss the days where you didnt have to be a capped/near capped char to be any good
I miss alot of the people that have left
I have to say Starkes as well :p
* Opening the big doors to the wasteland at OZ station for the first time (you could almost hear the 2001 music in the background)
* First WB was actually a spawn on my head for me. I had nightmares about that one...
* Went out to a storage in OZ as a noob and met a butchee. Somehow I managed to kill him with a stiletto while crouching or something. Remember he had a * and I was like woooooow, wonder if I get that after I kill him :p
* Hurler bridge in IND SEC 2, man I miss those days :( *sniff*
* 1st day of beta registration (a Monday). I was in the IRC channel and all people just went utterly and completely bezerk. All pressed refresh on www.neocron.com just to see if the registration turned up.
I remembered some poeple got so excited when it actually turned up that they couldn't fill it out.
"OMG AAAAH I PUT THE FROM NAME THEY WILL BAN ME NOOOO"
" I'm to exictetd to fill out form HELP OMG IT'S HERE"
"NOO WTF TEHY CALL ME NOOB AND BAN BE NOOO"
I still have the logs from the IRC session (at work atm though). Man, that was crazy...
MjukisDjur
03-02-04, 10:52
Originally posted by Mr. Chainsaw
w00t, I can carri a dr0m.
Dammit, you made me spit coke on my keyboard...
I miss the "tracking" option in the citycom =)
"14k all in PP, lets go guys" LOL
I miss those times, where my spy could kill tanks easily with his first plasma pistol :P
Owning people with a sureshot laser rifle :p
So to some it up we need specialisation nerfed to fuck so we dont need every single point in eg. R-C just to cap freq on a first love.
And we need outzone to be a viable place to hunt and lvl.
oh the first time i when into the citysewer's (the ones that lead into outzone) damn they seemed huge and it took me forever to get out again. :lol:
i miss the warbot that used to be in the oz cellar
i miss getting a rare part from every ** mob
i miss the 300+ people that used to be on pluto at any given time
i miss the rush you got in pvp when you knew someone could drop their rare gun
i miss the days when a players item dropped freely without the quickbelt
i miss the days you could pvp and have 5 new rares then the next day have none
i miss not having to break a sweat when you had 2 warbots on you
but most of all i miss being able to play my char freely and not having to worry about capping a weapon, i miss being able to use both pistols and rifles and a laserblade if i chose.
i remember the "good ole days" as being a morass of confusion, bugs, more confusion, and still more confusion. did resists work? did armour work? did armour get fixed with the last patch or broken again? if resists and armour are working now, HOW the fek DO they work?
people putting all their points into HC or RC or PC and gimping themselves to hell (ach - people STILL do that). people trying to get the highest possible combat rank because it's "better". tanks using HC PA because it's "better". people trying to get the highest possible DEX or STR because it's "better" (capped tank + BEZ2 + BEZ3 + Marine + harden back + moveon + beast = teh win). people with idiotically modded 4 slotted weapons thinking they were better than a properly modded/statted 1 or 2 slotter.
and yes, i've personally made all these mistakes. but what's nice is that we've learned. we now basically know how resists and armour work (no small thanks to the brave and determined few who tested this stuff endlessly, some of whom actually had the grace to share their findings) and can have a reasonable stab at balancing our resists. we now know that capping your weapon is the very last thing you should be trying to do. we now know to try alternative armour setups to the PA cookie cutter ones.
it's a far cry from the days when i was running around on my PE with moto3, vhc3 (yes - really VHC3), dex boost 3, SF and mindcontrol 3 so that i could meet the reqs of my redeemer. happy days, yes. and i miss the blissfull ignorance, but i wouldn't swap it for what i've learned in the meantime.
robinitnow
03-02-04, 12:55
I remember expecting shadow run online and getting something quite different.
There used to be a bug that meant that someone higher level could attack you but you could not target them. There was a monk exploiting they bug and trying to pk me. So I pulled out my grenade launcher and through shear luck got three direct hits :)))
he felt the sudden need of a dental appointment and left :)))
I remember my first trip into the wastelands with my friend. I remember he picked me up at the nc gates (he was in PA by now) in his vehicle and he drove me to the ASG, which everyone used to call 'the garage' and how when a wolf came along he told me to stay still else itll kill me. So he got out and shot it and we carried on. Then when we reached 'the garage' we saw a TG. And back then, no matter who you were, you HAD ot be carful about being near a TG cos then they were renowned for being HARCORE pkers. I remember hiding in the shrugs to avoid being seen, and then went he went away we went on our way.
Also remember the days before everyone had rare weapons and i never knew the significance of the little swirly around the rare weapons. I remember when Hakusho Soulweaver first explained to me about rare weapons and how he gave me 5/6 parts for a ROLH for my spy who was a bit nooooobish back then.
I miss everyone not knowing shit about the games, and all the lvling spots and stuff like that. My first trip to the aggie cellars where i got PKD cos i didnt have enuf agility to jump onto the boxes to get out. I remember when i used to have a mix of PC and RC cos i just didnt know shite about the game, and how i had no idea how to use loms to fix it. And how when i rerolled the guy cos i cldnt be fucked with LOMs i like lvled my guy to like /20 in a day and i thought i was rally good. Now i can get a new char to /50 in less than a day, as long as u got a ppu.
OO OO and do any of u remember when BASIC resist one pretty much made u immune to any poison, and how u cld go down to the swamp caves and just lvling for hours on end without any worrying about dying. I mean even a spy cld lvl there on his own without any worries what so ever. :). Those really were the days.
I also remember when i first bought a hovertech and i went into the wastelands getting GRS and then i crashed it into the lake by jeriko. Also when i finally got it out i travelled across the wastelands and i kept seeing big creatures like DROMS and stuff and think they were really big and powerful. Back then i didnt risk getting close enuf to discover droms were 1 hit kill /10 mobs :P.
THOSE WERE THE DAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYS (simpsons style)
i miss the random pk'ers too, of course...
also the clan raids in mb...that caused mb clans to drive them out of mb...but didnt always happen...
i miss back when ppu's werent a requirement
and lastly...i miss drops in warzones it made op fights worth more then just a bonus to some stat...which also crosses out quickbelts...and safeslots...
Where do I start....
I miss...
- Being able to do tradeskills without worrying about "lubes" and "gels"...
- Being able to do a tradeskill AND have a decent combat skill...
- Not knowing virtually every nook and cranny of the world... getting lost.
- Being able to buy a weapon or blueprint for one and have it built within a few minutes at almost any time of the day.. Not having to search hours for a tradeskiller.
- Being able to change my faction simply by making my sympathies higher for them. I played around with this alot. Changing from Tangent to Fallen Angels to Crahn to Twilight Guardian to CityAdmin, etc. It was strangely fun.
- Being able to go anywhere in the game as any faction and not get shot by faction guards (unless I had negative sympathy).
- Playing with my friends. Usually kept to myself aside from three friends I knew from out-of-game. Alas, none of them play anymore. Various other nameless scourges have claimed their damned souls...
- Hanging out at the Outzone 4 spawn in a huge team getting loads of XP as a lowbie and sharing the loot with the others. Most of the times I've been there in the past few months its deserted. Might be related to the fact that the spawn occasionally breaks and few know how to get around that.
- First trip to Tech Haven with my friend. It seemed like it took so much longer... And we were constantly dodging hovers.
- The occasional Warbot hunt night with my friends. We'd spend an hour or three dropping Warbots and other assorted mobs. Collect a lot of rares and as many weapon parts as we could carry. Last time we tried Warbot Hunting 2 hours yielded a handful of parts and a few decent imps.
- Hearing in September 2002 that a free expansion, "Dome of York" would be out in first quarter 2003... and believing it..
Rather depressing... :(
Oh well. Life goes on.
This might sound a bit odd, but for me, besides the higher server populations, the next best thing was i met some very very odd people during beta 4 and early retail, i mean truly strange and disturbing individuals. People were a lot more shifty back then and you could trust no one. People would be nice and then mean the next second and that dirtiness to the game made me want to play more. As dark and gritty though, there were people that played with some great senses of humor about killing. Now all we get is people pissed off spamming trade.
I remember leveling in the sewers and having a grand time until a tank with a grenade launcher would come. 4 of us newbs would try to kill the other newb. was so fun.
We still have the bugs here to remind us of those days :rolleyes:
I miss the start of retail when everyone was a noob, no question was too stupid and no one had heard of 'cookie cutters'.
Other than that things are good. Despite what it may seem, the game is better (and more stable) than it used to be (down to population decline rather than much optimisation imo).
I miss:
- world exploration ... new areas ... new mobs ...
- replacing missing files to get to J_01 or to open doors to BYB (first days of B4)
- being good in PVP as spy :O
- buying 100 INT for about 10.000.000.000 nc (and was able to have so much cash)
- hiding cash cubes in gogo and cabinets (mayby kk dont find it !)
- geting 1 free slot all artifact EPR from GM because i lost all inv due to bug
- my 7 sloted TA
- tons of Armor Parts 9 in Escador Oasis (good cash)
- hackers paradise in K13 where about 10 wooden crates acting like outpost console .... 10 hacks, tons of XP, relog , 10 hack ... etc
- ghosts in Swamp Caves (npc that you cant aim and they dont move etc all looks like female PE ... OMG wtf ?)
- set reset_position (or smt) to move faster in wastes :D
- finding first Advanced Nervers 1... omg not buyable implant wtf ? :D
- having full set of Inq 1 (and one part of Inq2), Experimental bones etc as spy ..
- ppl from NCAT .....
- and ppl at all were diff ... more helpfull i think ...
- "omg you pick monk as a class ?? you nub monks are useless !" :D
yea good old times ... Neocron is completly diff but my english is same shit like before :D
Konrad McKenzie
03-02-04, 14:13
14k Triad will be returning :D
disclaimer: assuming DOY isn't utter wank
Originally posted by Lestard
I miss the "tracking" option in the citycom =)
"14k all in PP, lets go guys" LOL
I miss those times, where my spy could kill tanks easily with his first plasma pistol :P
hehe, oh, more memories! Shooting lestard in the back with a
EPR in PP1 close to the subway entrance when he was reading
citycom, then legging it like a madman with a bazillion SSs on my
tail :D And the time when Konrad relayed eRAZORs position to me
and I chased erazor over like 5 zones, always one zone behind.
Until I found their APC parked outside a poison cave. Destroyed
the APC (of course) and went down to fight erazor and some spy
he was powerleveling. I died. 5 mins later el gringo starts talking
to me at plaza2 asking like "what the hell did you do to erazor?
hes foaming at the mouth and saying something about an APC.."
@konrad: Heh you forum stalker. Hope theres a new server with
DoY.
james_finn
03-02-04, 15:08
I miss:
- People being so helpful, no more just give em a 100k to shut em up like now, but more like give em a decent rifle they can look forward to using :)
- Being a tradeskiller, having lots of business (Got very rich as me first Researcher standing in Plaza 1)
- Less random noob PKing, it was like so much easier to level back then.
- How big the server popultations were, we had 100 active members in me first clan, man were those clan hunts so much fun.......
"R.S.Savage attacks and kills heavyporker, I'm the PPU, damn it I cant ress until i drug, but Sav heavy has all the drugs!!!!!!"
ROFL any ways those were the good ol days
delphi
Originally posted by CR@SH
i miss the warbot that used to be in the oz cellar
i miss getting a rare part from every ** mob
i miss the rush you got in pvp when you knew someone could drop their rare gun
i miss the days when a players item dropped freely without the quickbelt
i miss the days you could pvp and have 5 new rares then the next day have none
OMG YES! I loved that warbot, a gang of about 12 people at any given time trying to bring it down :)
And although I like the quickbelt system, I do remember enjoy finding something really sexy just lying around, I wouldn't mind hackable belts nearly as much if it came up in a window so I can still see my local and such.
And the rare guns point is the most important. Not only were we more cautious of PvP (not just storm them until we finally win) because we could drop a gun, but it was also a great reward for your victory if they happened to drop their weapon.
Steve
i miss,
when you die you drop somethin at random in your Quick Slots non of this belt drop crap so some nib SPY with a Hack tool comes and takes it!and PvP in PP back to early retail! the good old days of PKin;)
Originally posted by Mingerroo
OMG YES! I loved that warbot, a gang of about 12 people at any given time trying to bring it down :)
And although I like the quickbelt system, I do remember enjoy finding something really sexy just lying around, I wouldn't mind hackable belts nearly as much if it came up in a window so I can still see my local and such.
And the rare guns point is the most important. Not only were we more cautious of PvP (not just storm them until we finally win) because we could drop a gun, but it was also a great reward for your victory if they happened to drop their weapon.
Steve
HAHA yes that used to be a blast having a gang of no more than <<<< players trying to take that bastard down. I can remember fondly everyone dying respawning at the mutant then trekking back in there just to try and finish that bastard off.
I miss.....
8 Slots :(
lol
(not sure if that came up or not didn't read the whole post)
i miss the time when tanks weren't sure whether or not weapon lore made a difference to aiming :)
i miss the uber lom pills
i miss being able to solo most mobs without any hassle.. jeez.. came back after the mob boost patch and a grim completely tore me a apart as well as a few others.
i miss op wars without half the team being ppus
i miss the TRUE tank-o-cron/pe-o-cron when the libby was insanely overpowered
i miss the godlike hybrids
i dont really want the last two back, but they were happy memories of mine :)
who remmebres in beta when they made rats in the sewers social creatures. u attacked one and they ALL came after u. was rather amusing see grps of tanks beein chased out the sewers by an army of noob rats.
oh and of course the deadly dragonflys from the wastelands were always to be feared if u was em. even if u were 3 times there lvl
oh and i miss 8 slots too. my 8 slot lightbringer 2 had such a long name if i held the curser over it so the name appeared A) it almost didnt fit in the screan and B) it crashed the game if u had it up longer than 2 seconds. happy days
Originally posted by Rieper
i miss the uber lom pills
forgot about those..
they really owned
after a patch which nerfed pistol, you would
use some loms and within 5 secs you'd be a rifler :D
i miss all the old good cool helpful players who left for swg when the bugs were really flying.
these new people dont know how lucky they are to have us old hacks to help em with cash,equipment and a ride to mb to lvl
yea i rember in beta 4 when you dropped the guns instead of the belts i lost some nice tank wepons to that lol
and the crackyhead clan that was terrorising people in pp1
i rember my first trip to wastelands saw a giant spider scared the hell out of me
lol now they dont
and lvl 3 sewers with mutents and stuff who droppeed junkknifes thye were cool
this game has changed a bit since then though newbies to day dont know the hard things we had to do back then
youwere basically on your own
everyone was nennot many people new what they were doing it was fun back then
even if i did die a lot lol
i rember hazard worms
and days befour the scout bots and troopers were stuck in c12 and k14 those wree the days where you could run to mB with out ahving to look out for troopers. remembere when you could lvl ongolden spiders lol
those were some good days
oh im not a newbie like it says lol
Agent MArshall the name was part of NIA on pluto
hello to any one who rember me
Originally posted by Rade
hehe, oh, more memories! Shooting lestard in the back with a
EPR in PP1 close to the subway entrance when he was reading
citycom, then legging it like a madman with a bazillion SSs on my
tail :D And the time when Konrad relayed eRAZORs position to me
and I chased erazor over like 5 zones, always one zone behind.
Until I found their APC parked outside a poison cave. Destroyed
the APC (of course) and went down to fight erazor and some spy
he was powerleveling. I died. 5 mins later el gringo starts talking
to me at plaza2 asking like "what the hell did you do to erazor?
hes foaming at the mouth and saying something about an APC.."
@konrad: Heh you forum stalker. Hope theres a new server with
DoY.
Konrad, long time man! 14k 4eva!!!! :D
Random memories:
OMG Rade I remember that APC incident. From then on there was seriously bad blood between us and SS. I remember seeing eRazor in PP1 and i was just a // newb or something. I never ran so fast in my NC life.
I remember saving up for a Rhino tank, and tanking it for a drive. When people found out I scored one, there was a true sense of excitement. Its first run, I remember a few tanks begging to be its first gunner. The awe of the people who saw it. I had a thing for vehicles back in the day, even tho they sucked.
I miss 14k, and TR most of all. TR fighting NDA/SS/Maas/Auriga/PIMP/everyone else on the server.
TR fighting Gang at Rockshore, an awesome huge fight we won...then fighting at...ummm....Damnit I forget and losing to them. Awesome day of OP wars. EDIT: Tezla maybe
I miss raiding MB/TG/TH. I miss elkdor, and his scottish voice over Teamspeak LOL. When I first met him, I was hunting at Cycrow. He ran up on me and started blasting me. I did some damage, but he schooled me pretty good since I was a newb monk vrs PE. He sent me a tell talkin shit, and I replied with something like Good fight. We got to talkin and were friends ever since. In MMO's I meet more friends through fighting them than anything.
Me and wo0pin pwning copbots in PP1.
The excitement I'd get seeing that SS just hacked one of our OPs, I knew a fight was waiting for us. Then getting there and seeing Shadow, .cylon, -insert uber PSI here- ... thinking this might end up ugly.
Fighting twinkle and flyk.
Being in CSM for a short time, there was a group of some tightly knit guys. I forget the OP name now, but we'd defend it at all costs.
Popping in my PSI Core, I was SO uber :)
The Grim Chaser hunts...MB bunker raids...That hollow feeling you get when your defending an Op with like 5 guys and you see like 5 enemy clans come over the hill, all buffed and blood thirsty.
and others. Good to be back in NC, im havin a lot of fun. I hope the server pops get a nice boost with DoY.
Harby
Mr. Chainsaw
03-02-04, 18:16
A couple more things I miss:
-Pulling Duranit armor from the hackable boxes in lvl 1 sewers :)
-The occasional GM event that would have rampaging Warbots in PP.
Originally posted by Harbodus
Maas/Auriga
thats the 2 things i miss most from early retail. Our clan (Maas) and our best and closest allies Auriga.
Them were the good days.
Wanna know what I miss?
I miss being afraid of Warbots, Cyclops, terror maulers and such, etc...
Now all that scares me is a mob that is 120/120 right next to me.
Wanna know what I miss?
Knowing that anyone could come up to me and kill me back during beta 4. (ANYONE)
Im not afraid of any of the mobs anymore really.
Theres no sense of adventure anymore.
Me thinks I need to get an obliterator sometime on my new spy and explore regents legacy, that place looks ub0r.
Doc Holliday
03-02-04, 18:28
I miss the loms too. i remember once i had to lom 44 pts of research ( stifle the s******************s guys. yes it was on my pe ) and dump it in will power. i was a droner rifler at the time. :) how long would that have taken with the new loms. hmm.
jj dynomite
03-02-04, 18:40
I miss the MedKit Powerarmours
I miss the customized coloring of Powerarmours
I miss the christmas patch
I miss the sky turning into my RPOS
I miss the larent bot
I miss my outstanding sharpened sharpened baseball bat
I miss the uber junk knife wars
i miss npc's in the job center passing out whiteflash....
Originally posted by Rade
hehe, oh, more memories! Shooting lestard in the back with a
EPR in PP1 close to the subway entrance when he was reading
citycom, then legging it like a madman with a bazillion SSs on my
tail :D And the time when Konrad relayed eRAZORs position to me
and I chased erazor over like 5 zones, always one zone behind.
Until I found their APC parked outside a poison cave. Destroyed
the APC (of course) and went down to fight erazor and some spy
he was powerleveling. I died. 5 mins later el gringo starts talking
to me at plaza2 asking like "what the hell did you do to erazor?
hes foaming at the mouth and saying something about an APC.."
LOL i remember that one, bitch ;)
was just checking where you are and noticed "PP1, hey, thats where i am?!" rofl
Those times were the best, i really miss the fights against 14k, no ninja hacking, always a fair fight. Ah, and discussing at plaza/pp zone who started the mess =)
Back on Jupiter, when i first left Neocron I was really afraid leaving the city cause i heard so many horrorible stories. It was dark outside, i heard a wolf growling and my flashlight was too weak to see anything and i run as fast as i could back into the city LOL =)
I think I most miss that people hadn't fully sussed how to play the game yet. Resists setups weren't perfected, there was still various ideas about how stuff worked, etc.
Had two effects which I liked - the first was just the newness and the sense of exploration and adventure as people were finding things out.
The second may be a bit more specific to me, but it was that equipment and levels made less difference because people weren't squeezing as much use out of them. So I found more fighting at sub-cap levels and characters without the best equipment were more useful.
Though I may be remembering beta4 more than early retail - I'm unsure when things started to shift away from that.
That or the lower focus on specialisation (again, I forget exactly whether the specialisation patch(es) were retail or beta).
ah yes the fear...
and i had a lot to fear in beta 4...
my clan was KOS to every major clan.... step outside and any of Eradicators, Crackies and every other top 10 clan would try n paste me on the wall..
drug flashes weren't that bad back then either...
my spy went from like a >> or >>> to a ** if i popped a red and a whiteflash... (turned on my SF (which was like an Marine back then, i think) which in turn would turn on my various exp bones and so forth and my rank would just boost)
i remember scaring the crap out of a few ppl who came for an easy gank and suddenly the lowbie turned around with a couple of stars and a 5 or 6 slot EPR (thanks for that one Maker of Stuff)..
http://members.optushome.com.au/kgodeck/ncscreens/2star2.jpg
lol i had 2 stars on my old monk at start of retail and i didnt have a clue about what iwas doing:lol:
Clownst0pper
04-02-04, 02:12
It all felt darker, and fresh.
It felt as if there was a purpose, that PKing was going to be an intergrated part of the game.
Item drops gave tension and excitements to fight, and often didnt require players to HAVE rare weapons.
Now it all feels abit carebear and happy happy.
Not the Dark Neocron I first encountered.
Maybe my Gamma is abit high? :lol:
I miss the time when you didn't see PPUs every (just hybrids instead :p).
I miss everyone having crap resist setups, fights being quick and brutal, uncapped chars not being so disadvantaged against capped chars.
I miss seeing more people everywhere.
I miss not having hunting zones in Chaos Caves etc.
I miss red SL being viable and actually seeing red SL PKers.
I miss high level mobs not being too bad to hunt solo.
I miss the high tech part drop rate, and the lack of safe slots.
I miss V-Nox. :p
I don't miss freezers.
I don't miss all the bugs.
I don't miss uber hybrids.
I don't miss the old bugs.
I miss the time when i lost my first vehicle at Jeriko (I had it for 5min) and I was so pissed off then! "Omg how i'm gonna get a cash for new one!"
I miss the street rifles being powerful.
I miss hunting in PP sewers and aggies droping gatlings.
I miss the fights in CA HQ.
I miss stuff droping in op sectors.
I miss the excitement while hunting plants with a drone. :D
I miss hiring two CM clans to protect an op while i was constructing first rares for my clan.
Heavyporker
04-02-04, 09:23
OMFG... I totally forgot about those NPCs in CA HQ with the whiteflash!
"I dunno... I feel bored. I wanna kill myself"
"Noooo.. don't do that. Here's a little something to brighten your day. Only 1000 credits."
(or something like that.. the first time I saw that, i spat onto the screen and went out of the screen, I was so afraid the the guards were gonna pwn me for taking it... LOL... dear Crahn, that was so LONG ago.. good times, good times.)
Yeah.. Neocron had a different flavor then.. Not to say its better or worse than now... but different.
i remember the first time i made it to CRP/Cycrow, was stood at cycrow GR remarking on how much Raptors hurt, next thing i step out the GR, steadily aim my 4 slot TPC and open fire on the nearest mob, im feeling the excitement u got back then when u found a new mob that u hadnt killed before, all of a sudden vernichter appears waving a CS at me, i frantically run for the GR, spraying off some badly aimed shots as i flee, i just get to the GR, but i was too late, i die, GR to my apt, frantically checking for what had dropped (items dropped outta ALL QB slots)....
BASTARD!!!!111 he had my 4 slot TPC...so i get on direct to beg for it back, but vern just laughed and said it was "another for his collection".
He took great pleasure in DMing me and showing me my TPC in trade whenever he saw me in medi lol.
I remember talking to ppl when they had died, loads of ppl had different ideas in which slot ur wep should
"OnOZ u n00b Put TeH TPC in Slot 6 and fill rest with PoIsenGlandS"
heheheh 1 of many happy memories :lol:
Oh yeh, I also miss freezer weapon effects. i remember the days when basically it was first person to freeze won the fight. I mean spies could own tanks 1 v 1 if they got a freeze with a Thunderstorm and then use something like a First Love. They use to just eat thru tanks, was amazing.
I miss the first day I started playing, and losing my only weapon to a rat.
Q`alooaith
04-02-04, 13:39
Originally posted by n3m
I miss the first day I started playing, and losing my only weapon to a rat.
I rmeber doing much the same....
"hahaha, die puny rat.."
**rat bites**
"run away run away"
**leg's trashed**
"Help meeeeeee"
*Dies, runner come's over take's knife and kill's rat, run's off*
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