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This is fucked, fix it please. It's impossible to stealth away from monks even at 3/4 hp. They can somehow (I don't know I don't play monks, too bandwagonish) hit you like 3-4 times after stealthing.
So fix it or something.
Psycho_Soldier
02-02-04, 01:39
They already hit you, it just lags and shows they hit you after you stealth. Only way they can really fix it is, increase damage and lower RoF. That wouldn't be good though imo.
Its a combination of they seeing longer after you have pressed
stealth on your puter, and you seein the HL later than they see it
on their puter. All in all it can come over a second late, which
makes you want to claw your eyes out sometimes.
Psyco Groupie
02-02-04, 01:41
This has been whined about and explained about 100 times .. just kill the monk and stop being a stealth whore
Originally posted by Psyco Groupie
This has been whined about and explained about 100 times .. just kill the monk and stop being a stealth whore
yeah, because every time you fight you vs one apu. OH NO WAIT!
ITS NOT! ITS AN APU AND HIS TWENTYZILLION FRIENDS!
*pant pant*
Im done.
or his three ppu's cause we know not one is enough.
lag
thats all
get a better puter and upgrade to broadband if you havent done so yet, that will help.
Originally posted by WebShock
get a better puter and upgrade to broadband if you havent done so yet, that will help.
No not really, every stealther gets this regardless of puter, of
course having brouadband would make reduce this problem by
like 0,05 seconds. Oh wait you probably wouldnt notice that
anyway.
Shadow Dancer
02-02-04, 01:49
It's because of the long animation. If HL was insta hit it wouldn't like you would be getting hit after stealthing.
Rade, the same could be said of the PE/Spy btw.
Dude even if I didn't have broadband I wouldn't go and get a new cpu/new connection for something as lame as this.
Psycho Groupie stfu about stealth whores.
Originally posted by Shadow Dancer
Rade, the same could be said of the PE/Spy btw.
???
Are you kidding?
How often do you see a solo spy sniper or a solo PE something in
a PvP situation? I see them all the time. Then how often do you
see a solo APU out doing his stuff? Its not a crack at all APUs
being *** *** **** but just that they are more suited for group
playing than PEs/Spies are, which in turn automaticly creates
the "lets bring 20 people to take out one" phenomena.
Shadow Dancer
02-02-04, 01:54
Originally posted by Rade
???
Are you kidding?
How often do you see a solo spy sniper or a solo PE something in
a PvP situation? I see them all the time. Then how often do you
see a solo APU out doing his stuff? Its not a crack at all APUs
being *** *** ** but just that they are more suited for group
playing than PEs/Spies are, which in turn automaticly creates
the "lets bring 20 people to take out one" phenomena.
ok ok you're right. And it pisses me off too. I can name at least 20 apus on pluto who I never ever see alone. :mad:
It makes me so mad. :mad: :mad:
But the blame is not entirely on them, it's also the way kk made the apu. I would at least like a TL 3 heal.
It's stupid I have to wait such an insanely long time to heal with medkits which are not only slow but buggy. Sometimes you use one and it heals like 15 points. wtf
But yea you're right. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Btw, don't forget 99% of spies and many pes can stealth. The apu can't TL 3 heal or stealth. I'm not saying "poor me", i'm just letting ya know the DILLY YO!
:p
i solo pepper sometimes. but yea, i dont pepper if there are a shitload of enemies. i go get my buttmonkey ppu
btw rade, it helps... didnt say it would fix it
Webshock even if I did what does having a better computer do? It'd only be connection, wouldn't it?
Also, I always knew that getting hit like 1 or MAYBE 2 times after stealthing was lag and stuff, but just now I got hit 4 times after stealth.
4 HLs almost kills me... So with this shit if I want to pvp with a monk, and stealth away and ACTUALLY LIVE, I have to stealth away at like full health. That's so fucked.
Shadow Dancer
02-02-04, 01:59
Originally posted by t0rqu3
Webshock even if I did what does having a better computer do? It'd only be connection, wouldn't it?
Also, I always knew that getting hit like 1 or MAYBE 2 times after stealthing was lag and stuff, but just now I got hit 4 times after stealth.
4 HLs almost kills me... So with this shit if I want to pvp with a monk, and stealth away and ACTUALLY LIVE, I have to stealth away at like full health. That's so fucked.
4 times? I dunno about that. I've never been able to hit someone 3 more times after stealth. I know many times I got 1 shot off after they stealth because I click them a milisecond before they stealth.
Yeah I'm serious, I was fighting this monk in OZ subway, I was running down that long hall, and I got hit 3 times, turned the corner to zone and died from the fourth HL.
Also when monks are hitting you when you can't even see them (IE turning corners) is this lag? And they clicked you before you went behind the wall, or is there some trick to keep hitting a guy without targetting him? Cuz it really seems like that.
Shadow Dancer
02-02-04, 02:03
Originally posted by t0rqu3
Yeah I'm serious, I was fighting this monk in OZ subway, I was running down that long hall, and I got hit 3 times, turned the corner to zone and died from the fourth HL.
Also when monks are hitting you when you can't even see them (IE turning corners) is this lag? And they clicked you before you went behind the wall, or is there some trick to keep hitting a guy without targetting him? Cuz it really seems like that.
Yea it's lag. Or bad netcode or whatever.
It's like when I see a tank wayyy far from me and he stills hits me with devourer. wtf
I really hate that, i feel like i'm playing an illusion game.
Anyways, I think apus should get los. I think the perfect example of los that they should get is the plasma wave animation on the ravager.
Keyol45743241
02-02-04, 02:05
Why can monks hit you 3-4 times after stealthing[?]Lag. PEs usually survive thanks to their superior Con & Armor
Originally posted by Shadow Dancer
Btw, don't forget 99% of spies and many pes can stealth. The apu can't TL 3 heal or stealth. I'm not saying "poor me", i'm just letting ya know the DILLY YO!
Yeah Im not really surprised about how APUs handle shit. I mean
if I were a APU I wouldnt go out solo looking for someone like me
in the wastelands, but there is a difference between bringing a
few people (and no ppus) and have a fun fight on all sides
regardless of who wins.. and bringing half a dozen of which 2 are
ppus. Regardless if you win or not you will not be having any fun.
For example: (oh btw lets say that Im worth two of the enemies
tanks/PEs/APUs or whatever, this is not a discussion about how
ubar I am its just for the sake of the argument) I go to MB. I find
some CM noob in the bunker. I tell him to tell his clan friends that
I have just PKed him in the bunker, or else.. (ooooh). He
like "stfu bitch" and shoots me with his mendicant smg, bullets
ricochet back on him and he dies.
Scenario 1: 2 tanks and a PE from the same clan as the nub
comes out looking for me. They run around a little and I see one
of them straying off a bit and attack him, we fight for a while, hes
going down, one of his friends join the fight. Its a good day and I
kill them both, and get away before the third guy comes. Or its a
bad day and the second guy kills me shortly after his friend dies
or the third guy caps me because Im drunk and drop my stealth
tool on the groun. Or its a really bad day and I just keel over
when the first guy looks at me, and then hang my head in shame
and never forget to put on my medium energy belt ever again.
Scenario 2: 2 Apus, 2 Sniper spies, 3 tanks and 2 PPUs comes
running out of MB. Mixed clans and factions which are even
neutral/allied to me (I swear they do it just because they know it
ticks me off.. hawr. shiver me timbers. anyway.) I know I wont
stand a chance fighting them because of blue glue and blahblah.
I manage to get a shot at a sniper spy that strays off, he
stealths, I stealth because the whole possy comes running. I
stealth around for 10 mins and they try to see if they can actually
get 9 people to stand on the same square feet. They fail and one
of the tanks runs away from the rest, I have gotten pissy about
the wait so I attack him. He dies just before the others reach me
or manage to get away, I get paraspammed/HLed/SHed/Deved/
DBed/Libed/PEed/CSed/FAed/Judged/MSed/RoGed(HAHAHA RoG
is nerf you NUB! What are you trying to do with that squirtgun?!
Oh wait Im dead)
Now. I have been on the other end of these scenarios too. And I
know that Im not having any fun doing the second scenario
wether Im the solo PE or the gank squad. I do know however
that I have a fucking blast whatever side I am on in the first
scenario. So can we puuhleeeeze stick to that instead? kthxbye.
Originally posted by Shadow Dancer
Yea it's lag. Or bad netcode or whatever.
It's like when I see a tank wayyy far from me and he stills hits me with devourer. wtf
I really hate that, i feel like i'm playing an illusion game.
Anyways, I think apus should get los. I think the perfect example of los that they should get is the plasma wave animation on the ravager.
Nerf the beam spells more and make the rare APU spells lances
instead of beams.
Shadow Dancer
02-02-04, 02:19
O_o
No need to explain wade. I know what you mean and I agree.
Personally I don't go out alone anymore. I used to go out alone with a hover-tec, incase a gank squad would come or I kill someone and end up with low health and spend the rest of the day healing.
But due to the athletics penalty on PA i had to lom my VHC into agility. :(
I don't go out with just ppus though, I just go out with anyone else. It's nice to go out with pes and their capped TL 3 heal too. :D
It's so )*#&$)#&$)*$# annoying when I fight an apu and get him to low health and he leaves or kill him and watch his corpse stay there. Because you know the PPU paraspam squad is coming to get ya. :rolleyes:
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
x2
Originally posted by Rade
Nerf the beam spells more
You mean range?
Originally posted by Rade
make the rare APU spells lances
instead of beams.
Um no. Lances are to slow. Make it like every other "gun", where if it has animation it's super quick. kthx
Lances slow? Uhm my memory must be failing me but when I
leveled my noob monks I remember them being more or less
instant, except for the hand-waving of course. I feel like Im not
understanding something vital here.
**edit: Yeah nerf beam range or something so that people dont
start using energy beam instead of HL if HL is changed to a LoS
spell. It should be an option but not obviously better than using
HL as it would be now.
Shadow Dancer
02-02-04, 02:24
Originally posted by Rade
Lances slow? Uhm my memory must be failing me but when I
leveled my noob monks I remember them being more or less
instant, except for the hand-waving of course.
Their not instant..............
Lifewaster
02-02-04, 02:33
Well they could make em work like flame avalanche instead and give APUs back a load of range instead.
Imma think ppl would rather see more sniping APUs than close range PPU+APUs
Shadow Dancer
02-02-04, 02:37
Originally posted by Lifewaster
Well they could make em work like flame avalanche instead and give APUs back a load of range instead.
Imma think ppl would rather see more sniping APUs than close range PPU+APUs
God no please. The flame avalanche animation is sloooooooow.
Originally posted by Shadow Dancer
No need to explain wade. I know what you mean and I agree.
Well also what im getting at wadow wancer is that it cant
possibly be fun for either sides. Its like.. if I would play football
with 5 of my friends against my lil bro thats 8 years old and his
friends, it just wouldnt be fun see? I was actually gonna make a
example out of a martial arts competition and fighting my bro but
hey, Id dig that so woulda been a stupid example :p
Shadow Dancer
02-02-04, 03:14
Originally posted by Rade
wadow wancer
:confused:
Originally posted by Rade
Its like.. if I would play football
with 5 of my friends against my lil bro thats 8 years old and his
friends, it just wouldnt be fun see? I was actually gonna make a
example out of a martial arts competition and fighting my bro but
hey, Id dig that so woulda been a stupid example :p
Sorry to say this but you're wrong. It's not fun for me or you to be on the opposite side, but it is indeed fun for some people. Some people get a kick out of killing 2-3 people with 30 people and 30 ppus at their side.
Sad but true.......... :(
I used to be able to drive away on my hov-tec too. :( :(
lag + spells are delayed attack, you press and it cast a second later.
Punisher-X
02-02-04, 03:44
@ the poster
If your dying in 3 to 4 HL, my suggestion is don't pvp. Work on your setup first, cuz tbh, 3 or 4 HL, unless the APU is lucky with random damage, should only scratch 1/4 to a 1/3rd life off a ready PE.
Your just not set up for pvp yet is all I can think is ur main problem...the getting hit while stealthing is secondary. Ditch stealth too, go pure low tech :D
Hope this doesnt sound too harsh o_O
Plenty of people on this board who can help ya with resist setups if you ask im sure ;)
Originally posted by t0rqu3
This is fucked, fix it please. It's impossible to stealth away from monks even at 3/4 hp. They can somehow (I don't know I don't play monks, too bandwagonish) hit you like 3-4 times after stealthing.
So fix it or something.
Its called lag. You stealth on your screen, for a few seconds you're still UNSTEALTHED on thier screen...so they land the hits on you NP.
Stealth is also buggie I have had people stealth but I could still see/target them, they weren't happy.
Stealth is for sissies anyway :p.
A decent PE can take what, 9 HLs if hes not healing and the HLs
does average damage?
Altho I must agree that taking 4 HLs after stealth sounds damn
buggy, most Ive gotten is 2...
Punisher-X
02-02-04, 03:50
Hmmm unless very lucky, I'd have to say more than 9 tho that will vary greatly from setup to setup. Tho tbh, I dont really count anymore, as most fights vs APUs dont last long enough to worry about health :D
well, 400 hps and 125 energy resist would probably take 10 hits
or so. Im quite a bit below that since Im on RoLH (well, BoH now
actually o_O, but I havent lomed yet so same setup...), Im just
going on memory...
Hm no wait that doesnt seem right, 8 hits is my last bet. Now stfu :D
I gaurantee my resists are better than any other PE with my level of constitution, thanks.
BTW I use BOH without drugs and without a SA, so you faggots using blacksuns can go do 10 damage to people and take 10 hls or whatever.
How does a thread about getting hit in stealth carry on to my resist set up anyway?
Rade like I said I have no prob with 1 or 2 shots after stealth, but 3-4 is stupid.
Last edit - Actually I think I can take more than 4 HLs, I think about 5-6 good HLs sounds right.
Oh cool, then since you magically have the best setup in the
world, care to share some pointers? Since my setup apparently,
without you knowing it, is inferior.
Rade I wasn't saying your set up sucks but I know for a fact you don't have 40 base con :)
roflmao... hahaha heh. That actually got me laughing irl :D no I
dont. Youre excused then ;D I sorta took for granted that you
had capped con, which is weird since you talked about con in
your post I shoulda seen that... ARGH THE REALITY SHOWS ARE
MAKING MY BRAIN ROT!
Originally posted by t0rqu3
BTW I use BOH without drugs and without a SA, so you faggots using blacksuns can go do 10 damage to people and take 10 hls or whatever.
Ive won a few pvp tournies with my blackson so uhmm...
Whatever you're smoking toss me some pls.
I dont think hes on about BS being poor, just boring (which I
agree with), altho my BS setup is just as powerfull as my RoLH
setup, just shifts some offence to defence..
Originally posted by Rade
I dont think hes on about BS being poor, just boring (which I
agree with), altho my BS setup is just as powerfull as my RoLH
setup, just shifts some offence to defence..
I have yet to lose against a rolh, that 300-350hp they got just gets ********** down SO fast...
Can't say im a rolh fan. Although my PE setups are 100% defense before offense, all the time....ill nerf my offense to shit if i can make myself really hard to kill. Doesn't make a diff to me how long I take to kill the guy, as long as I win.
Well you dont play on pluto anymore ;) :p
Originally posted by g0rt
I have yet to lose against a rolh, that 300-350hp they got just gets ********** down SO fast...
Can't say im a rolh fan. Although my PE setups are 100% defense before offense, all the time....ill nerf my offense to shit if i can make myself really hard to kill. Doesn't make a diff to me how long I take to kill the guy, as long as I win.
You're obviously a bluebie dueler at heart.
I'm all offense because that is more effective for ganking/PKing.
There are two distinct types of "stealth lag".
The first, and by far the most common, is seemingly due to netcode/serverside processing time factors combining occasionally...
If there's half a second delay for the server to recieve/process your stealth update, and another half a second for the server to recieve/process the attackers shot, plus processing time once both updates arrive, then you can get about a second or second and a half or so of "overlap" where you see yourself stealthed, but the attacker doesn't.
Add to that the "firing delay" where the spell is cast, or the gun is fired but the animation hasn't had time to happen yet (usually on high rate of fire spells/weapons).
In these cases you usually get 1 or 2 hits from a 105 rof spell, or one Pain Easer burst, or 2 Disruptor bursts hitting after you think you are safe. Occasionally you will get more when the overlap is extreme, but it's rare.
The other much rarer case is where the server and/or attackers client don't register your stealth *at all*.
This is a real bitch because you cant do a fucking thing about it - all spells/weapons are red and unusable, you can't re-apply the stealth till first timer ends and the attacker just sees you plain as day and carries on pounding.
I got this earlier today for the first time in weeks, unfortunately.
Standing around outside an OP owned by another clan, and an attack force comes steaming through to fight them. Presumably I was in the way cos I got shocked/boosted and one holy lighting dropped on me from behind.
I stealth & run, pop the anti drugs and once spell effects gone break right, out of the way. The monkehs lose me, and I head into the hills to heal up and see what it was all about.
As the Stealth 2 ends one of the enemy spies pops out of his own stealth right on top of me ... he's only a kami, but I dont have enough health left to soak up many max rate of fire Disruptor bursts, so I hit stealth 2 again and go to reposition.
I change direction at right angles, twice, outside of "blue smoke visibility" range, but he follows me like he's attached by a string. S2 ends again, and he gets two more bursts on me.
I'm down to 60 hlt now, but luckily my legs are OK.
Stealth 2 again, and head off once more, hoping he was just lucky.
A little over 10 seconds into the 20 second stealth he starts shooting from about 75 metres away, all 4 bursts hit, and I go down.
The Disruptor is not a weapon that hits/does damage to normally stealthed targets, ping was fine, zone bandwidth was fine, the area wasn't lagging badly, and 10 seconds is way beyond the more `normal` stealth lag.
He simply saw me as un-stealthed the whole time.
Ho hum :(
the same thing happens when i use cs, i get people directing me telling me they are going to report me for hax0ring stealth lol
Originally posted by t0rqu3
You're obviously a bluebie dueler at heart.
I'm all offense because that is more effective for ganking/PKing.
gort hurts in combat i know he killed me in PP sewers :)
phew phew phew
first time i killed him he took almost 3 clips
most peeps i hang out and know. are the peeps that are able to gank me :(
but everyone else out their are ezy :) compared to them :)
Hehe me and some other guys was chasing this TG at mb. He stealthed away from us but we saw his blue flame. We couldnt do anything but wait for the stealth to go out. Then suddenly our apu mate starts to use fire apoc on the stealthed guy, we were like, wtf? Must have been lag. For example if you are an apu and on a 56k modem and see someone perfectly fine and you get lag and you attack, attack and attack all the time even if you lag. When you get back from lag, the guy has probably moved (not in your sight) but you still hit him since your modem sends to the server that you attacked him 3 times. Its also pretty lame :/
Originally posted by Shadow Dancer
ok ok you're right. And it pisses me off too. I can name at least 20 apus on pluto who I never ever see alone. :mad:
It makes me so mad. :mad: :mad:
But the blame is not entirely on them, it's also the way kk made the apu. I would at least like a TL 3 heal.
It's stupid I have to wait such an insanely long time to heal with medkits which are not only slow but buggy. Sometimes you use one and it heals like 15 points. wtf
But yea you're right. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Btw, don't forget 99% of spies and many pes can stealth. The apu can't TL 3 heal or stealth. I'm not saying "poor me", i'm just letting ya know the DILLY YO!
:p
heres an idea for you, invest 6 points or whatever it is into passive use, and you'll have a heal. wow serve has a point. and so what if it removes 5% off your damage, KK isn't forcing you to be apu, just like KK isn't forcing tanks to go pure force and all rifle under dextrity.
well thay did for a while when thay had a idea plan on wut classes should do wut. but it apparently died :)
guess the player base wanted something betetr liek always :)
Originally posted by t0rqu3
You're obviously a bluebie dueler at heart.
I'm all offense because that is more effective for ganking/PKing.
Nah. I just don't use a class that specializes in using low tl weapons to "quickly" kill someone.
I use classes that were made for it....aka monk/tank
If you are looking to simply kill people before they can react, PE is not the class for you. Nor is spy heh unless you wanna be known as a skill lacking stealth whore
How does using stealth make you have no skills? I've seen people use stealth and effectively take out 3-4 people, that's tactics man. Just standing there as a monk and HLing someone takes a fuck of a lot less skill than to stealth and kill lots of people.
Tanks and monks suck by themselves, say you are a monk, soloing at MB and pking (oh wait none of you monk idiots do anyway, you all have PPUs) you fight a decent leveled whatever class, and you are down to like 150 HP say.
How long do you stand around to heal? That isn't fun no matter how fast you can gank people.
Tanks are a bit better in that aspect, but I've played tanks since beta 4 so they are no fun anymore.
BTW using a low TL gun so you can have more resists isn't that great... In the skill manager with % of damage taken, with like all the blacksun shit, moveon, ppr, etc, you can get to like really low 5%s for energy/fire/xray and still have good body health. My BOH set up has like 6%s, why would you use such a shitty gun for 1% more protection? 1% on 30 damage (say from a CS) isn't even one extra damage, it's .3 WOW WICKED RESISTS GOGO.
If you try to say I'll hvae low body health or athletics, my PE has 464 HP at con cap, and 75 or 80 athletics I forget. I have 0 poison, but any good psi can stack enough poisons to kill you with a ton of resists anyway... I'll rely on stealth and antidote, cuz I have no skill.
Whitestuff
02-02-04, 07:22
Originally posted by ServeX
heres an idea for you, invest 6 points or whatever it is into passive use, and you'll have a heal. wow serve has a point. and so what if it removes 5% off your damage, KK isn't forcing you to be apu, just like KK isn't forcing tanks to go pure force and all rifle under dextrity.
I gotta say, this idea is bad. Not because of the DMG loss of 5% or whatever, but because of the numbers.
By the skillguide, (the old one), every point spent into PPU takes off .3% of APU (1 being a total point and .3% being 30% of that 1). So in theory, an APU can use a TL 3 heal, but when you crunch the numbers, his TL 3 heal will be doing almost no effect at all. I had around 100 APU when I lommed to PPU and I was doing like 98% dmg on a TL 3, and I had about 12 PPU. A capped HL APU would get I am guessing 3-5 % DMG on a TL 3 heal. But please take into account the nerf that was supposed to go in that nerfed it to .5% off-balance to further balance hybrids. (By balance I mean "discourage")
So to sum all that up ^ ^ ^, if a pure APU uses a TL3, he will probably, with the new %'s, be doing no good at all accept displaying the heal anim.
well stealthing at the brink of death a few times is a stealthing whore until thay die.
not a stealther goin aginst 5 peeps and stealthing i respect a little more then stealthing in 1v1.
on my tank ive been able to kill 8+ peeps at a time alone. duno if its luck or skill. and then dieing from a para shock
and the same goes for my low tech pe. that cant even stealth. but the max i killed at one battle was 5v1 at mb. got a fan that day LE nub :).
but stealthing pes r mostly skilless punks do liek 50 damage from sneaking from behind then i burn a clip in them and stealth away to ehal and come bak. with buffs bak up.
a pe that stealths 9 times to fiinally kill me is not really skill.
or atleast i hope it isnt.
Originally posted by t0rqu3
I have 0 poison, but any good psi can stack enough poisons to kill you with a ton of resists anyway... I'll rely on stealth and antidote, cuz I have no skill.
ah so your the kind of pe that drops in 2 seconds flat to my devourer :P
Shadow Dancer
02-02-04, 08:20
Originally posted by ServeX
heres an idea for you, invest 6 points or whatever it is into passive use, and you'll have a heal. wow serve has a point. and so what if it removes 5% off your damage, KK isn't forcing you to be apu, just like KK isn't forcing tanks to go pure force and all rifle under dextrity.
O_o
Play an apu, thx.
As for torque. 5-6 hls? O_o
I've fought a bazillion pes with my capped HL, and I Have to say 8 is the avg # of hits they take. Sometimes more, sometimes less.
Originally posted by t0rqu3
How does using stealth make you have no skills? I've seen people use stealth and effectively take out 3-4 people, that's tactics man. Just standing there as a monk and HLing someone takes a fuck of a lot less skill than to stealth and kill lots of people.
Tanks and monks suck by themselves, say you are a monk, soloing at MB and pking (oh wait none of you monk idiots do anyway, you all have PPUs) you fight a decent leveled whatever class, and you are down to like 150 HP say.
How long do you stand around to heal? That isn't fun no matter how fast you can gank people.
Tanks are a bit better in that aspect, but I've played tanks since beta 4 so they are no fun anymore.
BTW using a low TL gun so you can have more resists isn't that great... In the skill manager with % of damage taken, with like all the blacksun shit, moveon, ppr, etc, you can get to like really low 5%s for energy/fire/xray and still have good body health. My BOH set up has like 6%s, why would you use such a shitty gun for 1% more protection? 1% on 30 damage (say from a CS) isn't even one extra damage, it's .3 WOW WICKED RESISTS GOGO.
If you try to say I'll hvae low body health or athletics, my PE has 464 HP at con cap, and 75 or 80 athletics I forget. I have 0 poison, but any good psi can stack enough poisons to kill you with a ton of resists anyway... I'll rely on stealth and antidote, cuz I have no skill.
Sorry i just dont see the skill in firing off two or three rounds and then prancing around in stealth. Maybe its just me.
There is a point in which everything in this game dips. HP, resists, etc. What you wanna do is get to that dip then stop. TBH saying use a shitty weapon for 1% more resists is pretty stupid, but then again running around with 0 por is pretty stupid as a spy/pe too because if you have even 50 base por a capped tl3 heal will save your life from a SHITLOAD of stacks.
And btw its possible to use the judge, ppr and moveon without drugging for it, having liberator-like defenses and speed, and capping the judge dmg wise and getting a good frequency.
Basically the speed/hp/resists you put here are easily obtainable on a good PE setup, and 75 or 80 poison to boot.
Oh and...using the skillmanager as a basis to how good your resists are is a big mistake heh that thing is outdated bro.
Originally posted by Shadow Dancer
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Play an apu, thx.
As for torque. 5-6 hls? O_o
I've fought a bazillion pes with my capped HL, and I Have to say 8 is the avg # of hits they take. Sometimes more, sometimes less.
40 base con and I think I'm underestimating myself. All I remember, was stealthing at maybe 230 health, and I took 4 HLs before I died. I have a max of 360 something with buffs atm?
Also whoever said about the devourers, you're a tank... If I have to I can stealth 30 times and keep coming back healed, while you heal 10 health. Devourer is pretty easy to keep distance from too, you'are slow as fuck.
Tanks are only good in NF duels, kbye.
Zone that Judge set up sounds sick. What's the HP on it? I just don't like blacksun setups no matter how good they are... Having no swirly makes me sad :(
Does that set up need a SA? If it does fuck that, I don't have enough time to get one.
Yeah as far as I can see, with a moveon and PPR it needs a SA.
it does need SA
the best setups always need the best items.
with out SA goin t-c is gimping urself alot.
or u can think of it boosting u alot to be nicer :)
That isn't true. You play a tank and cannot speak English anyway.
One of the most viable spy set ups needs bullshit like zerk 2.
well it also needs SA to even come close to pa3 to use fl or disrupter. :) so ill stay by my statement.
plus am watching the classic outlimits so am typeing with my head turned sometimes :)
but am here trying to help and everyone just argues with me :(
Edit: i played every char and class. the only thing i havnt latly is the new hybrid monks. and since test server dont allow pvp. with out the guy being ready for u its not egtting the actual retail effect ams orry to say only in retail everything is taken to the full extent.
the best pvp spy setup needs a SA :( and yeah that judge setup needs SA
the +20 dex comes from SA(6) SF(5) ERB4(5) PA3(4)
you torque from ccr? is that how you know me?
if so sorry about being a biatch i thaught you were banned from the boards and therefore werent the torque i know
its unfortunate, but SA makes hightech spies/pes SO much better, and DS makes ppu/apu monks SO much better heh...the only classes that dont really need a mc5 to be top notch are lowtech pe's and tanks. and uhh....lowtech spies i guess, which I wouldn't really see the point in tbh.
Yeah I am Torque from CRC. I am sick of tanks and trying the PE side of things? :D Anyway what the cock do SA's go for on Saturn? I guess I really need one. What do single parts for SA go for btw also.
Anyway I am messing with the skill manager and even with a SA set up I cannot get all the shit you said with decent speed.
I suck at making guys I guess rofl. Anyway what PC is needed to cap Judge?
wrong gort Mc5 does help tanks :) not in str or h-c. but in life :) and con is the biggest thing a tank has :)
but ur tank is crazy and running on weird gotto imps. so i phear u :)
Originally posted by t0rqu3
Yeah I am Torque from CRC. I am sick of tanks and trying the PE side of things? :D Anyway what the cock do SA's go for on Saturn? I guess I really need one. What do single parts for SA go for btw also.
Anyway I am messing with the skill manager and even with a SA set up I cannot get all the shit you said with decent speed.
I suck at making guys I guess rofl. Anyway what PC is needed to cap Judge?
am for 75/75 ath/agl or 150 from both. to help u out thats the lowest anyone should get. and remeber ath and agl % gain is .26% so never waste extra points until u reach above 1.% to not waste 3 points or more in some cases :)
you can cap the judge and get 152/min freq (not uber but great for burst-fighting instead of the old "hold the mouse down and try to keep aim" :p) at 170 pistol combat and 130 weapon lore
SA would go for ALOT on saturn, just like everything else...always ALOT...mc5 isn't that hard tho, its just a matter of getting used to it. the first few times you go it will be a real pain in the ass, and real slow. but once you've gon a few times you'll get quick at it
@bombshell...yeah well any mc5 would HELP a char right? ;) im just saying a tank with a advanced movement controller 3 instead of herc in can get REALLY close setup wise
edit oh and btw if u dont wanna get a SA consider making a lowtech rifle pe. they are honestly the WIN. the pain easier does a shitload of dmg, and the resists you can get on a lowtech rifle pe are awesome.
like i said weird gotto imps :)
and i get 172 on my t-c pe setup am uber ;) i guess its because i run off fromw ut i said above :) i always look at every detail which is sad :(
last i seen a ds went for 1 filter heart 2 and a moveon i believe :) and u can probly trade that ds for a SA.
Originally posted by t0rqu3
Webshock even if I did what does having a better computer do? It'd only be connection, wouldn't it?
well if you know computers, you know that with the game running, the cpu slows down a bit since it's prcessing everything that is going through your machine.
There are 2 things that make you uber in fps style fighting.
One is ping. Since NC is geared for the 56k/64k modem player and the netcode is for this, even someone with a 128 k connection can play on the same level as someone on say.. 512k. So, in turn a high speed connection lets you talk to the server slightly faster than your common dial up user.
Internal latency.
If your slow ancient pc is clogged up with all kinds of services, background apps and neocron. It's not going to process stuff as fast as today's monster machines. So, while your guy with the 04 machine is sitting there with minimum internal pc lag (cuz his computer kicks ass and doesnt take as long as your turtle computer does to process requests through his cpu and all other components) and you are slower, he had a slight advantage.
You will see the huge diffrence when there are multiple things happening on your screen. (I.E OP war)
I know i noticed a diffrence when i learned to play NC on a 1.4 gig AMD thunderbird based computer and upgraded to the 64 bit 2.2 gig AMD monster. I notice that I dont have as much lag as i used to and my fps is 125 all the time. somewhere around 60 in big op fights. point being, yes this isnt cs, but if you tweak your system to have minimum internal and external lag, you will will have overcome one of your obstacles. I garantee you since your puter is kick ass, it will process you mouse click faster to make you stealth, that combined with a uber connection, that same process will get to the server quicker since you push it faster and make you stealth faster. Granted this wont be a huge noticeable change but there WILL be a slight diffrence.
Trust me, HL rains down quicker for me with 125 fps than at 30
Originally posted by BombShell
like i said weird gotto imps :)
and i get 172 on my t-c pe setup am uber ;) i guess its because i run off fromw ut i said above :) i always look at every detail which is sad :(
last i seen a ds went for 1 filter heart 2 and a moveon i believe :) and u can probly trade that ds for a SA.
LOL who the hell did that deal, send him to me next time he basically just payed 30mill for a moveon and filter2...worth about 6mill TOPS collectively on saturn.
hehe i know i was like @@ :) but elemnt got that good deal i would hav gladly trade my filter 2 and moveon for it :)
just liek how i got a trade screen full of tech parts worth of 300k parts :) some meele mostly good ones all for a PP which i had another in cabs :)
MjukisDjur
02-02-04, 09:48
Everyone can hit you in stealth... anoying :P
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