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Rather than be a 'kos servers suck 1232134' type post I figure why not have a poll concerning if KK should contact level 3 to get them to figure out what is causing the insane lag that everyone is getting or reboot the server(s)
The lag experience has been on Saturn for the past few days. Not sure if any other servers have had it.
I vote yes, especially if they expect the player base to increase
when DoY arrives. This needs to be looked into.
//Radium
Please note:
If you are playing from far afield (i.e the US, Canada, Japan etc) you are connecting to a european game on european servers many many many miles away, and so you will be subject to erratic connections on both sides of the pond.
Personally i have very little problems with my connection to NC.
I play from the UK and have a 30 ping. (which indicates to me that level3 is perhaps fine, and it is perhaps the routing or isp that others are using)
The only gripe i have with nc is the actual engine, which even on an rad 9800 xt with a gig of ram and a 2.8 gig processor - still has massive fps drops.
Mc5 newbie for example, standin at the top of the exit and looking out across towards the gr gets me a lovely 20fps
o_O
I'd be more worried about how the game will run with the increased textures of bdoy than ping/lag...
Disturbed021
26-01-04, 19:36
Originally posted by evs
Please note:
If you are playing from far afield (i.e the US, Canada, Japan etc) you are connecting to a european game on european servers many many many miles away, and so you will be subject to erratic connections on both sides of the pond.
Personally i have very little problems with my connection to NC.
I play from the UK and have a 30 ping. (which indicates to me that level3 is perhaps fine, and it is perhaps the routing or isp that others are using)
The only gripe i have with nc is the actual engine, which even on an rad 9800 xt with a gig of ram and a 2.8 gig processor - still has massive fps drops.
Mc5 newbie for example, standin at the top of the exit and looking out across towards the gr gets me a lovely 20fps
o_O
I'd be more worried about how the game will run with the increased textures of bdoy than ping/lag...
evs is sooo very correct.
I play from the west coast us and never have a big prob with lag.
my ping is usually between 170-210 and rarely goes above, however, my FPS in Plaza is generally 50-60 but put me in an OP war or noobie MC5 and wholy crap it can drop to 10-20 (and that is with froce fog on and lowish settings).
Granted I dont have the greatest rig (1.8 athlon, 896 ddr ram and a 128mb ddr graphics card) its decent and I would expect to get a higher fps in combat situations....
Originally posted by evs
Please note:
If you are playing from far afield (i.e the US, Canada, Japan etc) you are connecting to a european game on european servers many many many miles away, and so you will be subject to erratic connections on both sides of the pond.
Personally i have very little problems with my connection to NC.
I play from the UK and have a 30 ping. (which indicates to me that level3 is perhaps fine, and it is perhaps the routing or isp that others are using)
The only gripe i have with nc is the actual engine, which even on an rad 9800 xt with a gig of ram and a 2.8 gig processor - still has massive fps drops.
Mc5 newbie for example, standin at the top of the exit and looking out across towards the gr gets me a lovely 20fps
o_O
I'd be more worried about how the game will run with the increased textures of bdoy than ping/lag...
if you can't play the game because your lagged out then why should you worry about graphics?
I've been playing for a while and it's rarely like this. I got a pretty damn fast net connection and it's ridiculous that everyone is getting ping spikes of 2000. It's not just me. Is that clear enough?
if you can't play the game because your lagged out then why should you worry about graphics?
As i stated above, if you are playing from far afield the likelihood is that it's your routing.
Level 3 just provide internal routing/server farm support.
They don't support the link of your ISP to their farm.
I suggest you try traceroutes, pathpings etc and perhaps you can isolate your problem.
I've been playing for a while and it's rarely like this. I got a pretty damn fast net connection and it's ridiculous that everyone is getting ping spikes of 2000. It's not just me. Is that clear enough?
Quite frankly - no it's not.
'everyone pings 2000'
I don't - most people i know don't.
If its only just recently happened - has your ISP routing changed?
Then again as you didnt know what it was originally - it's a bit hard to find out now without directly asking them.
You probably have to go through several hops before you even reach level3.
Id suggest analysing your own connection first before worrying about everyone elses / level 3.
Oh and some rudimentary network knowledge would help whilst you are at it
:rolleyes:
Saturn has been gettin a bit ropey lately with ping spikes happening serverwide, you can tell frol all the trade spam of "aggghhhh!!!".
Devils Grace
28-01-04, 20:08
EVS do u play on saturn
let me tell u that i live in europe (Portugal Lisbon), i got cable conection, and i usually have pings around 70 and about 50 fps
at the event in race track my fps went to 88|
and now anywhere in the world u just lag like hell........
not me, not 40$ only but everyone.
if u play saturn and u have trade enable u will notcie that its everyone.
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k
Saturn has been lagging for the past 3 days.
I was getting 2000 ping spikes too.
and I did a trace route, it's coming from level 3. So there, come up with an excuse now.
"I suggest you try traceroutes, pathpings etc and perhaps you can isolate your problem"
How can I isolate lag that's coming from the server company? Thank you very much.
And if you weren't aware this wasn't the only thread pertaining to the lag. There was about 3-4 other threads and many people agree the lag was ridiculous. Unplayable to a point. I don't just make posts out of no where without a reason. When there's lag it's obvious. When the trace route points to the servers causing the lag, then it's not my fault, but the company that's suppose to be serving the game on a decent servers fault.
Although the lag has seemed to die down, I don't much care for some smart ass who doesn't believe what I'm saying. Had you actually played on Saturn there were lag spikes of up to 10+ seconds. Which is ridiculous. And for a matter of a fact, It rarely was that bad, so it's not my pc, not my connection, not a damn thing on my side. The trace route even said it was coming from over at level 3. Sorry if you can't understand facts. If it was my fault from playing over in the States why would KK bother to even sell the game to americans? Thank you very much, especially with a high speed internet connection the lag was ridiculous.
EVS do u play on saturn
I'll often play on it yes.
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and I did a trace route, it's coming from level 3. So there, stick that in your smartass pipe and smoke it.
Perhaps post it and send it into KK instead of whinging like a little baby.
No shock both of you are in the same clan then.
Birds of a feather......
Uranus has been pretty much the same with lag spikes to 2000, fade outs and trouble casting spells, switching weapons etc.
I'm on a cable broadband connection in south east england so i don't think it's distance from europe thats causeing me the problem. I know of other people i play with around england and scotland with the same problem (and generally at exactly same time)
Could be a general problem starting to rear its head then.
Been checking tracerts and some pingtool stuff to the routing host for a few days now and not noticed anything untoward.
The odd isp spike but nothing much.
Quite weird really as ive not noticed the lag spikes, although ive been on venus and pluto moreso in the last few days...
Dade Murphey
29-01-04, 03:11
Originally posted by evs
Please note:
If you are playing from far afield (i.e the US, Canada, Japan etc) you are connecting to a european game on european servers many many many miles away, and so you will be subject to erratic connections on both sides of the pond.
From what they've always said...due to the way they're set up...for the people playing in the US it's as though we're connecting to a server in New York...so people in the US will have roughly the same sorts of pings as those in Europe...I constantly have a good connection...and seldom have any lag...the only server that lags for me other than Uranus is the Test Server
Originally posted by evs
Perhaps post it and send it into KK instead of whinging like a little baby.
No shock both of you are in the same clan then.
Birds of a feather......
the forums are for posting current situations and issues with the game, so don't read this thread if you can't handle the truth.
the forums are for posting current situations and issues with the game, so don't read this thread if you can't handle the truth.
There's constructive criticsm/problem solving and there's whinging crap with no evidence or help given bar 'this is poor whine moan stamp feet'
Have a guess which bracket you are falling into.
If you get regular problems, run something like pingtool in the background so its constantly checking each hop you pass through.
Then when it does spike, you can isolate it with a few examples and let KK know that way.
Then you are showing where the problem lies and whats causing it.
They ain't psychic yknow
not been bad today for me, was getting decent FPS and with one small exception my ping was at its usual 50.
but its been bad the previous few days, i ended up logging off other day as i wasnt able to even lom my spy cos of the ping bouncing all over the place.
i hope they can sort this out cos it like happens every few weeks or so, they reboot the server, it goes ok, then bang back where we started with pings though the roof
Originally posted by evs
There's constructive criticsm/problem solving and there's whinging crap with no evidence or help given bar 'this is poor whine moan stamp feet'
Have a guess which bracket you are falling into.
If you get regular problems, run something like pingtool in the background so its constantly checking each hop you pass through.
Then when it does spike, you can isolate it with a few examples and let KK know that way.
Then you are showing where the problem lies and whats causing it.
They ain't psychic yknow
you've fallen into the bracket of being a [edited]. Seriously I posted a poll basically who else thinks the servers needs a reboot. Now I'm not lying about the lag, why would I was my time lying about it. I didn't start this thread up with 'OMFG THESE SERVERS BLOW DROMS'. Now did I? But since you accused me of being a liar, told me to run something I already knew about and came up with Level 3 having ridiculous lag as I already assumed after running trace route, [edited. Leave the thread alone if all your going to do is post flames. It was put up when there was serious lag, you come along and accuse me of making this up. Get a life, seriously your wasting your time. We pay to play the game, we don't pay for lag. I wasn't complaining/being a jerk, but was simply having a poll as to if anyone else thinks the servers needed a reboot.
Is that so hard to understand? Even if I sent an e-mail into KK with all the details it'd be shrugged off.
And as I said in a earlier post, the lag has subsided and gameplay is back to normal, the ping is fine there's no lag at the moment or as of lately today.
Ive had a ping of 300 to 2000 tonight. Mostly it was at about 500 but i had lots of lagspikes and crashes and synchs. As i live in Germany and not even that far away from the servers, it couldnt have been the connection.
My usual ping is 80. 150 when my roommates downloading porn. (What is most of the time, damn him :D )
But as i play Uranus, i'm used to it anyways. o_O
Originally posted by SorkZmok
Ive had a ping of 300 to 2000 tonight. Mostly it was at about 500 but i had lots of lagspikes and crashes and synchs. As i live in Germany and not even that far away from the servers, it couldnt have been the connection.
My usual ping is 80. 150 when my roommates downloading porn. (What is most of the time, damn him :D )
But as i play Uranus, i'm used to it anyways. o_O if you dont live to far maybe you can go down there and give it a kick or something:D
I dont know if restarting the servers will change the lag issue... but im sure its worth a try...
Originally posted by evs
Please note:
If you are playing from far afield (i.e the US, Canada, Japan etc) you are connecting to a european game on european servers many many many miles away, and so you will be subject to erratic connections on both sides of the pond.
Personally i have very little problems with my connection to NC.
I play from the UK and have a 30 ping. (which indicates to me that level3 is perhaps fine, and it is perhaps the routing or isp that others are using)
The only gripe i have with nc is the actual engine, which even on an rad 9800 xt with a gig of ram and a 2.8 gig processor - still has massive fps drops.
Mc5 newbie for example, standin at the top of the exit and looking out across towards the gr gets me a lovely 20fps
o_O
I'd be more worried about how the game will run with the increased textures of bdoy than ping/lag...
[edited]This is an INTERNATIONAL GAME, it should be INTERNATIONALLY LAG FREE since we are paying 10$/month for it. OK?
Theres no EXCUSE for lag, you're paying for a service, and if its a LAGGY service, people won't PAY for it, and the game will die. Is that what you want? No one wants to hear any reasons why they are lagging, they just want it fixed.
Yo tengo un gato en mis pantalones (undecided)
whats that?? o_O
something bout pants?
couldnt even say which language it is o_O
Nightbrother
29-01-04, 09:29
Yo tengo un gato en mis pantalones = I have a cat on your trousers ?? You have no such thing!! o_O
Originally posted by Nightbrother
Yo tengo un gato en mis pantalones = I have a cat on your trousers ?? You have no such thing!! o_O
correction 'in my pants' is the ending part... close enough eh
trigger hurt
29-01-04, 10:30
Originally posted by evs
As i stated above, if you are playing from far afield the likelihood is that it's your routing.
Level 3 just provide internal routing/server farm support.
They don't support the link of your ISP to their farm.
I suggest you try traceroutes, pathpings etc and perhaps you can isolate your problem.
Quite frankly - no it's not.
'everyone pings 2000'
I don't - most people i know don't.
If its only just recently happened - has your ISP routing changed?
Then again as you didnt know what it was originally - it's a bit hard to find out now without directly asking them.
You probably have to go through several hops before you even reach level3.
Id suggest analysing your own connection first before worrying about everyone elses / level 3.
Oh and some rudimentary network knowledge would help whilst you are at it
:rolleyes:
As others have stated before and will continue stating. Don't blame my isp's routing on an issue with the provider. I used to have DSL, now I have cable. With both ISP's, I had horrible lag spikes. Back when I played Team Fortress Classic, I would often play on some german or uk servers, during those times, I rarely saw ping above 100 and it never spiked like it does in neocron.
The other night, there were about 15 people on our clans teamspeak, some from the UK others from the US and one from Portugal. Just about everyone one teamspeak got a lag spike at the same time. This points at the bandwidth provider, not my isp.
I think you should re-read the topic.
At no point did i call you 'a liar'
I asked you to check some stuff and post back what results you got.
Instead you didnt bother and resulted to flames.
All i did was provide reasons of what could be happening, and suggested stuff you could check.
But instead you and you 2 clanmates decided to start making personal attacks.
Real heroes.
In fact there's only been one flame i have put in direct response to Devilpe0n's.
So for suggesting it could be other problems than what you stated and asking for you to check various factors im "an asshole, whiny jerk thickheaded flaming troublemaker.."
etc etc
And as for g0rt, lol do us all a favour and stay off you're daddy's pc. Were you never told don't mess with stuff you obviously have no idea about? No matter how good KK is, im afraid they can't make the world smaller just for you so you can play your games.
:rolleyes:
Cheers :D
Yeah notice how if saturn lags they all come to the forums and complain but uranus has always had more lag issues (really i do think its time you stopped using MJS's old laptop to host the uranus :rolleyes:) but notice how they haven't come to the forums to complain?
Seriously though there is a problem and you people who never notice this must be special we all get these lag issues how can you turn round and say its not level 3 and its your isp's fault?
And i live in the UK so im not the other side of the world like you pointed out is the reason for getting lag, and my pings are usually 60-90 but i've been getting alot of spikes which give me pings of over 2000.
Originally posted by Netphreak
Yeah notice how if saturn lags they all come to the forums and complain but uranus has always had more lag issues (really i do think its time you stopped using MJS's old laptop to host the uranus :rolleyes:) but notice how they haven't come to the forums to complain?
maybe you should, the problem might get noticed then, if KK aint made aware theres nothing they can do.
plus saturns l33t so we expect our server to be on top form;)
Originally posted by ezza
maybe you should, the problem might get noticed then, if KK aint made aware theres nothing they can do.
plus saturns l33t so we expect our server to be on top form;)
Love your last quote there ezza :p
Well I suppose we could start a polls about lag for each server that might help. So KK will see how bad the problem is.
Devils Grace
29-01-04, 18:52
[ edited for violation of the forum rules - trolling ]
This argument is over. Move along.
N
forgot to lock teh topic nid, btw this wasn't suppose to be a flame fest, but it seems every topic is closed because someone who has nothing useful to add to the conversation has to come along and act as if he knows everything. Really discouraging to post on the forums about anything.
Devils Grace
29-01-04, 19:08
Originally posted by 40$Poser
forgot to lock teh topic nid, btw this wasn't suppose to be a flame fest, but it seems every topic is closed because someone who has nothing useful to add to the conversation has to come along and act as if he knows everything. Really discouraging to post on the forums about anything.
u also forgot that he is........hmm.... better not
i dont need another obannion:mad:
trigger hurt
29-01-04, 19:53
Originally posted by evs
I think you should re-read the topic.
At no point did i call you 'a liar'
I asked you to check some stuff and post back what results you got.
Instead you didnt bother and resulted to flames.
All i did was provide reasons of what could be happening, and suggested stuff you could check.
But instead you and you 2 clanmates decided to start making personal attacks.
Real heroes.
In fact there's only been one flame i have put in direct response to Devilpe0n's.
So for suggesting it could be other problems than what you stated and asking for you to check various factors im "an asshole, whiny jerk thickheaded flaming troublemaker.."
etc etc
And as for g0rt, lol do us all a favour and stay off you're daddy's pc. Were you never told don't mess with stuff you obviously have no idea about? No matter how good KK is, im afraid they can't make the world smaller just for you so you can play your games.
:rolleyes:
Cheers :D
As I stated before in the previous "omfg the servers are laggy as fuck" thread, myself and several others have taken tracert's and pings to the server. They have been emailed.
You are trying to defend something that I know for a fact has an issue. Without any proof otherwise, I might add. You live in a european country, you have no problem connecting to the game servers and you never see lag. So that means it doesn't exist, right? And since it doesn't exist, it can't possibly be the fault of the bandwidth provider, could it? I mean, it's only a selective few who get ping spikes in the quadruple digits and we're not on the same isp, not even in the same country...so it must be our isp's fault.
The people you are talking to, with your high-and-mighty attitude are probably older than you. We are responsible, bill-paying adults. All we expect is that when we pay our bill, we get the support we expect in return.
The support for this game is a fucking joke. A friend of mine was running the city merc epic. He got a huge lag spike while zoning in mb. when he came back from the spike he was factionless and standing naked in outzone. Instead of the GM's doing something about it (fixing his faction so he can run the epic again), they said "we are sorry, we can't do anything about it, here is your 100k".
LoL nice character assasinations :rolleyes:
As for 'defending'
Just LoL :o
Suggesting someone checks stuff is defending.
The best line
The people you are talking to, with your high-and-mighty attitude are probably older than you.
That's a classic, very presumptious about an assumption you have made on my part.
Also i don't see how asking people to checks various networking bits and pieces and POST them (which none have) and perhaps people could help.
Myself and several others have no problems.
You do.
If level3 was up the swanny, don't you think everyone would be lagging badly?
Hence the 'go check this and that before blaming x'
As ive said, ive ran constant route checks and havent had much problems at all, which is why i suggested checking other ideas.
But no..... someone suggests something and the flames come out.
To be honest, for 'reponsible bill paying adults' you act like a spoilt child who's been told something he doesnt like.
Admittedly the support in the game has been diminished, but reasons have been given fairly (people duping by asking for rollbacks) which caused the 100k rule you refer to.
Gotterdammerung
29-01-04, 20:22
Holy crap it's amazing how the same people always find a way to turn even the most harmless thread into an excuse to bash & flame.
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