Marx's screenshot laden question/opinion post. (GM/KK peoples, LUK & ANSAR!)

[Marx]

Alright, this is my thread where I fill it with screenshots of places which methinks aren't being used right/would be better used differently.

Feel free to add your own.

Black Dragons' Shooting Range

When I first learned of this place, I thought to myself 'hot diggity damn, now I can shoot stuff without being killed!'. Of course that's not the case. To my knowledge, it has never ever worked.

Am I wrong with that?

If so, when is it going to work properly and how?

Don't get me wrong, the place looks very kickass, but as it is now, it's nothing more than a waste of space.

- entrance (http://dirtynuke.net/shooting1.JPG)
- Mr. "Hi, how are ya' "? (http://dirtynuke.net/shooting2.JPG)
- this is where you stand... duh. (http://dirtynuke.net/shooting3.JPG)
- UR, I SHOOT SKREEN? (http://dirtynuke.net/shooting4.JPG)
- inside the lanes (http://dirtynuke.net/shooting5.JPG)

This place should be a Yo's.

This venture warp in Pepper Park section 3, right near the entrance to the OZ sectors... would probably be better off as a Yo's. It would give newbies fighting in the outzone a good place to ditch the crap they've fought and died for.

- should be a Yo's (http://dirtynuke.net/shouldbeayos.JPG)

I love the Pepper Park subway!

I love it to death. It's one of the coolest places within neocron itself... at least in my opinion. Now, methinks that this would be a badass place for anti-city factions to tradeskill and such. However, the crappy Yo's vendor there is nothing more than a vacuum cleaner. "HAY, U GOT WYAR? I BY 4 0 CREDATS!"

- has a venture warp, gogo, and mastubation material (http://dirtynuke.net/subway1.JPG)
- it has a big sign proclaiming "YO'S" and two guards who do nothing, but look cool (http://dirtynuke.net/subway2.JPG)
- it has a snack-a-tak and tables... obvious signs of civilization! (http://dirtynuke.net/subway3.JPG)
- it has a kickass view (http://dirtynuke.net/subway5.JPG)
- and here's mister hoover himself (http://dirtynuke.net/subway6.JPG)

The one thing this place is dramatically lacking is people... If you (kk) make the simple change of tossing better vendors in the Yo's, the Pepper Park factions now have a fitting and safe place to tradeskill for the time being.

Our factories are full of mutants! Yipeee!

This always gets me. The IND sectors are the most obvious place that can be linked to the production of Tangent weapons/weaponparts/armors, PP chems/medkits/drugs, and BT implants. Yet it's full of these mutant dudes and crap vendors who do nothing more than die on cue.

Methinks there should be copbots on patrol, because the place is obviously not abandoned. Anyway, unless I read like a retard, which I might just, the neocron history makes no mention of the IND sectors only of how Reza gave up on the lawless OZ sectors... Therefore, he and the other factions which produce parts with which runners make things, should guard the industrial sectors... Where are they going to set up shop? Via Rosso?

- 'sup dudes? (http://dirtynuke.net/ind1.JPG)
- "our stuff is shit because those stupid mutants outside make 'em" (http://dirtynuke.net/ind2.JPG)
- I guess this dude is like "CHEEF SEWAR OPARATOR!" (http://dirtynuke.net/ind3.JPG)
- which also grants the title "Big Yellow Machine King" (http://dirtynuke.net/ind4.JPG)
- welcome to the industrial sectors only 'lab'. How do I know? (http://dirtynuke.net/ind5.JPG)
- because that's what the GR is labeled. (http://dirtynuke.net/ind6.JPG)
- more useless vendors. however, I like the lil' grate thing (http://dirtynuke.net/ind7.JPG)
- it would kick ass to be a tradeskiller and be on one side of this type of grate while the customers on the other. (http://dirtynuke.net/ind8.JPG)

I'm glad that PP, Via, and Plaza are getting facelifts, but will the OZ and IND sectors also get one?

I love the Outzone

This section of Neocron is lovely. It's full of all sorts of hiding spots, nooks, crannies, hidden passages, and leveling spots. However, the leveling which could be done in the OZ would generally be done after only a little bit of playing... I have a couple of opinions on what to do here.

1.) Put in OP style hackpanels. Make it so it controls a GR/GoGo in the area (Because there are actually a good number of GR's/GoGo's.
2.) Put in higher level mobs
3.) A mix of both.

- imagine this being the top section of an 'OP' (http://dirtynuke.net/oz1.JPG)
- 'sup plant? (http://dirtynuke.net/oz2.JPG)
- Hay, thar's whole! (http://dirtynuke.net/oz3.JPG)
- HAY, THAR'S ROOM! (http://dirtynuke.net/oz5.JPG)
- hmm... interesting windows (http://dirtynuke.net/oz9.JPG)
- hmmm... what's in thar? (http://dirtynuke.net/oz10.JPG)
- mutants! who woulda' guessed? (http://dirtynuke.net/oz11.JPG)
- another gogo that gets hardly any attention... has a nasty habit of spawning a plant in it. (http://dirtynuke.net/oz13.JPG)
- GR (http://dirtynuke.net/oz16.JPG)
- wouldn't PvP here kickass? Especially low level PvP. (http://dirtynuke.net/oz17.JPG)
- imagine having a door that needs to be hacked open... which leads to the 'op' room (http://dirtynuke.net/oz18.JPG)
- more cool nooks and crannies (http://dirtynuke.net/oz19.JPG)
- another nook (http://dirtynuke.net/oz22.JPG)
- another cranny (http://dirtynuke.net/oz23.JPG)
- which leads to a nook (http://dirtynuke.net/oz25.JPG)
- which puts you opposite to to (http://dirtynuke.net/oz26.JPG) here (http://dirtynuke.net/oz22.JPG)

More to come as I get screenshots

feel free to post your own.

[garyu69]

Totally agree with all that. I will have to take some shots of things i think the same about

5 stars :D

[Psychoninja]

Note on the shooting range.
I've actually suggested to kirja, to turn the damn Shooting range into a drug lab :(
Alot of people agree with me on this sofar.
BDs background involves drugs and realestate in PP, but there are no drugs exclusive to BD for them to sell as RP. I'd rather see the shooting range taken out, and turned into a drug lab.

[garyu69]

Maybe the shooting Range could be a cover for selling illegal drugs ;)

[Marx]

Originally posted by Psychoninja
Note on the shooting range.
I've actually suggested to kirja, to turn the damn Shooting range into a drug lab :(
Alot of people agree with me on this sofar.
BDs background involves drugs and realestate in PP, but there are no drugs exclusive to BD for them to sell as RP. I'd rather see the shooting range taken out, and turned into a drug lab.

I'm all for a BD drug lab, but I don't think they'd sit there and have "DRUGLAB" emblazoned on the entrance.

:lol:

I mean, the place would need a front, and actually, the shooting range is a good one... If it actually worked.

edit -


Originally posted by garyu69
Maybe the shooting Range could be a cover for selling illegal drugs ;)

bah, beat me to it.

[Heavyporker]

Shooting Range

Just put exploive barrels at the ends of each shooting lane. Make them regenerate every 5 mins.

Shouldn't be a yo's

There's already street vendors in the OZ zones and IND.


Subway in PP

Naw, I belive the Yo's Complex and OZ Mall would be BETTER spots for AntiCity to come and trade within NC City.


Muties in Factories

Yeah... it sucks about the mutants... Make the IND zones give +5 to ALL tradeskills to EVERYONE... and move out the mutants (not the bugs and plants and such, that's atmospheric) to the OZ (yes, OZ needs more mutants, Muahahahahah. And you forgot NExT vec parts, you bastard.

[metalangel]

Hehehe, hilarious post.

And you're right, the vendors serve little purpose, why is the last few parts of the operational industrial area allowed to be infested with mutants (and it is INFESTED, the other parts of the OZ aren't in comparison!) and the shooting range... could be better used.

[Marx]

Originally posted by Heavyporker
Shooting Range

Just put exploive barrels at the ends of each shooting lane. Make them regenerate every 5 mins.

Shouldn't be a yo's

There's already street vendors in the OZ zones and IND.


Subway in PP

Naw, I belive the Yo's Complex and OZ Mall would be BETTER spots for AntiCity to come and trade within NC City.


Muties in Factories

Yeah... it sucks about the mutants... Make the IND zones give +5 to ALL tradeskills to EVERYONE... and move out the mutants (not the bugs and plants and such, that's atmospheric) to the OZ (yes, OZ needs more mutants, Muahahahahah. And you forgot NExT vec parts, you bastard.

Barrels is a definate fix.

As long as its something... more than it is now...

As for the Venture/Yo's... Look at the spot, it's a shit spot, probably full of criminals and the like. Hell, that area houses most of PP's homeless NPC's....

I just think a Yo's would be more fitting with the low income feel of that area as opposed to a ritzy "ADVANTRUE" store.

;)

PP subway, methinks this is a valid spot which people would use, simply because it's a safe zone.Though I agree with you about the OZ 1 mall, the simple fact is, that'd take a whole lot more work than the simple replacement of one vendor.

And right now, I'm making more NEXT parts than NEXT =P

[Birkoff]

Originally posted by Heavyporker
Yeah... it sucks about the mutants... Make the IND zones give +5 to ALL tradeskills to EVERYONE... and move out the mutants (not the bugs and plants and such, that's atmospheric) to the OZ (yes, OZ needs more mutants, Muahahahahah. And you forgot NExT vec parts, you bastard.

Thas a great idea, except if you made it anti city only.

Give pro city somewhere in the city, will seperate pro city to anti city trading areas a bit. I love the OZ to even if it is a bit of a maze (only b/c i don't use it, plaza was a bitch at first as well). Be great to actually see it in use atm its jsut wasted space and adding more useless crap the databases.

Rade made a psot about OZ (http://forum.neocron.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=84707) a whiel back that sounded gr8 if not a little drastic.

Hoping KK have already made their own changes to OZ in the long awaited B:DOY. Prison will change at least so your BD ideas might not be needed :)

kthx :rolleyes:

//edit

Shit forgot the shooting range, but again its run by BD so will it still be there after DOY hits? TBH i don't know what to do with it, a drug facility will be kewl but won't thewy do it in some hide away room in the soon to be X-prison? Maybe a shooting range but jsut a worth while one. Bred mutants to use live ammo on, under "safe conditions"

just a thought.

Thas gotta be the longest, most serious post I've ever made :-/

5 stars

Could this be made stcky for a day or two? Would get some nice community talk going about something that may (definatly at the momment) need changing.

[ServeX]

100% agree.
except in pp3 there already is a Yo's. So it dosen't make sense to get the warp terminal out.

[Benjie]

1: Yes the shooting range is lame. I would prefere a static mob called "TARGET" that gave as much Experience as Roaches. Then it serves a deffinet perpose.

2: No, I use that venture warp all the time! it's the only one I use. :) I live in that district, and I think it's perfect as it is. No change plz.

3: I belive that one of the perposes of the mall is tradeskilling. I would prefere the mall be laden with pokers, researchers, and constructers than the Subway. It makes no sence, it's a subway. Mall makes perfect sence, it's a mall. :p

4: Remove all mutants from Industrial A IMO. Let it serve a roleplay purpose at least, and make it give +2-5 to all tradeskills for Everybody like Heavyporker said. (even though he pinched it from my idea :p)

5: Outzone filled with mutants Yes. BAH! There should be Mad Copbots in there too, instead of being at the military base. (pinched that from heavypokers idea, or was it Q'uooalth? Always get those 2 dudes mixed up. :) :) )

[Marx]

3: I belive that one of the perposes of the mall is tradeskilling. I would prefere the mall be laden with pokers, researchers, and constructers than the Subway. It makes no sence, it's a subway. Mall makes perfect sence, it's a mall.

The OZ mall is shit and would require a major overhaul to make it worthwhile. It would be nice if all the doors in the mall opened... but they don't.

At least by changing the Yo's vendor, you now have a spot for Tsunami/Blackdragon folk to hang out in (also, notable a safezone)... Makes sense for a gangs and such to hang in subway stations (movie cliche).

A mall makes sense for CITY tradeskillers. Not gang members sharpening knifes and fixing weapons for eachother.

I'd be all for revamping the OZ mall, but that doesn't change the fact that a minute amount of work could be done to sort out the vendor in PP, while it would take much more so for the OZ mall.

[Q`alooaith]

About shooting range..


How's about one of them nice buttony thing's, you know a button, charge you 250nc to use each time for the simple one's and spawn's a barrel at the end of the lane.. most expensive button's to push spawn prettyer target's, maybe gain some XP from blowing em up..

Though the lane's would need tunnling so people could only shoot their own targets..

[Benjie]

Originally posted by Marx
The OZ mall is shit

Marx, I think we are refering to different malls.


Originally posted by Martin J. Schwiezer

faction HQs and the clubs, bars, restaurants and malls (where players can use NPC-traders to trade their goods, e.g. while they are offline) will become the new safe zones.


I doubt the OZ will ever become a safezone.

I was under the impression he was refering to the orrigional mall described in the concept stuff. http://www.neocroncentral.net/images/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=conceptart&id=concybermall
No thats not plaza 2. I'm certain the Cybermall was intended to be a mini district.





*edit* Subway won't be a safezone anyway after BDoY.*

[Marx]

Marx, I think we are refering to different malls.

Yeah, we were. I was thinking too linearly.

=/

The new mall would be great... but once again, a mall makes sense for the respectable folk... but not as a hangout spot for the thugs of the world.


*edit* Subway won't be a safezone anyway after BDoY.*

Probably won't. Even if it isn't, I still want a REAL vendor there as opposed to a vaccuum.

[Spoon]

Originally posted by Benjie

*edit* Subway won't be a safezone anyway after BDoY.*

You sure?

I asked about that in MJS's BDoY Safezone thread, but never got a responce......
There may be some issues with that, if it does become an anarchy zone.
Remember, you can still jump out of the Subway cars.....


On Topic...

Yeah, the Shooting Range could use some work..

Leave the VW in PP3, I use that also, and besides, there's 2 or 3 Allbuyers in the Industrial Area anyway.....

And yeah, I'd like to see the Pepper Park Subway station get some differant venders in there...
PP could also use an Implant vender..

And about the only thing you can't buy in the Outzone are weapon, armor and implant parts and "some" of the high tech weapons and ammo.....

And more hackable stuff(Boxes and Doors) and higher level mobs in the OZ would be cool, too......

[zii]

Yummy doooh - I vote 5 for this.

[Jest]

Bumping old threads is bad. :(

[Benjie]

Ressurecting old threads is evil.

Still, it's a good thread. Sad to see it closed.

[Invertigo]

seriously what do you do to find these threads?


look at each page of the forum for upto 15 pages ago ?

[Marx]

Originally posted by Invertigo
seriously what do you do to find these threads?


look at each page of the forum for upto 15 pages ago ?

looks in my sig.

:p

[Katherine]

your links are broken

[Nidhogg]

Bumping two month old threads gets them closed. It's probably a good idea to change the links in your sig from time to time.

N