View Full Version : [Economy] NERF SATURN!!!!11111one
If money is so useless there, Nerf it.
Nerf everybodys cash down to 10k
Then nerf barter.
Saturns Economy = WINNAR!
Fuck the noobs man.
or you could just go play pluto :p
i bought the final part to my devourer for 1.5 mil today so money i still used
I think what you need to look at is how the problem happened in the first place. Since the problem doesn't really exist on pluto, I would guess it's mainly because of the APC cash trick, which is easily accessible to anyone if they make a few characters.
Psycho Killa
23-01-04, 05:15
Which is why they shouldnt be allowed to sell keys back to vendors.
Tradeskilllers SHOULD be the RICHEST people in neocron but off of other players money not magical money the neocron bank keeps pumping out.
Nerf selling keys to vendors and greatly improve ability to make money off of other players.
yeah, nerf it, I don't mind... I have 2 chars there and all I got is about 1.3 million credits. o=
EDIT: er, point is, not everyone is abusing the 4-slot thing. :p
Psycho Killa
23-01-04, 08:29
Of course not everyone abuses the 4 char server but the ones that do are fucking up the economy for everyone else. Pretty soon if this is not fixed people will be forced to construct vehicles and sell them to vendors just to compete with inflation.
People do this on pluto also.
Original monk
23-01-04, 10:06
saturn economy is yust fine, a LE chip only costs about 50 to 100K :P (people yust wont relog for less, i dont relog myself if it doesnt involve a milliontrade, less is yust not worth it, or yust fo friends maybe yeah)
i would love a casino on saturn with roullete for big bucks, poker, blackjack and more of that nice stuff, entertainement with a hi roleplay content :P
also a tech-o-matic : like a coca-cola vending machine but then with techs: 100k a tech/lowtech/e-part and maybe 1 chance in a 1000 on dropping a mc5 techs or so ?
tbh all you people that play on pluto that has these "wise" idea's of fucking with saturn can go take a hike.
if you dont play there then stop fucking getting involved.
i dont complain that 70% of pluto has multiple accounts with which to make APC's if they so desired.
also do you realise how long and boring it is to make APC's, i say if you wanna spend 4 hours making 50 APC's then so be it, if you dont then fine.
personally i would not waste 4 hours of play time to get a few million credits.
if you need cash why not go to mc5 for 4 hours, that about 6 mill per part on saturn and about the same if not more on pluto.
when i was loged on last week someone bought a SA frame for 12 million, over inflated economy on pluto.....no that just saturn.
Psycho Killa
23-01-04, 10:41
Wtf It happens on pluto also . Where THE FUCK did I say I wanted to fuck with saturn this has to do with the whole entire game people do this on pluto to just not to the extent since its easier on a 4 person server. We have pretty high prices I think for many things just not as high as saturn (atleast not yet im sure we will get there eventualy) This is a change that needs to be made to the game not to the fucking saturn server itself. Im sorry Ill keep all ideas about inflation to myself since im a pluto retarded elitist :rolleyes:
Why is it that im from fuckin pluto that my idea is now a worthless piece of shit? Ill have you know I have several characters on saturn but none of this is relevant to what I posted.
Problem still remains you dont just make a few million you canmake tons and tons of cash this way much quicker then any other way. Sure it may be boring but its the people that do this that offer 7 mil for a dev part on pluto or saturn.
They only go for Six mil because people have that much to spend alot of them using the apc method.
Like I said tradeskillers should be able to make tons of money but I think it should be through more player interaction what is so wrong with that?
trigger hurt
23-01-04, 11:09
PK,
I think his point is this. Everyone is using Saturn as an example in the 'nerf the economy' threads.
The only fucking people I see running to this forum, begging for something to be done are the assholes who play on pluto all the time and want to come and be the uber pk'rs on saturn. Then, when they have a tough time starting out and can't find the stuff they need, they come here to bitch.
Benjie, the starter of this thread admittedly has only 1 char on saturn. That char is meant to PK noobs and not much else? Why should this dick even be asking for something to be done about the economy?
I'm tired of the nerf this, fix this god damn bullshit threads. I have no problem playing this game as it is. There are bugs, yes, but I deal with them, infact, most of the people in my clan deal with them and accept them. The economy is broken, according to people who don't even play on saturn. Listen to the people here who log on every day and play on saturn. We are used to it. We don't care. Leave us to our devices.
And those of you asking for a money/item wipe...it's been discussed before. It's also been shown that it would be the dumbest thing that KK could possibly do. Many of us have played on saturn for over a year. To lose items I have had since day one would be a serious blow to me and I would most likely cancel my account. Do you want to see player count go down or up?
perhaps u should read the title of the thread
trigger hurt
23-01-04, 11:15
Originally posted by stigmata
perhaps u should read the title of the thread
was that directed at me?
if so,
[Economy] NERF SATURN!!!!11111one
am I missing something?
Got millions on saturn and pluto and have only ever build about... 01 mayube 20 APCs in the time ive played and thats from c10s ive found on WBs. YOu can make money easily by not making APCs or by selling a tech for 6mil.
Originally posted by trigger hurt
was that directed at me?
if so,
am I missing something?
it was pointed at PK me thinks
up all the vendors prices 500 percent.
Piece of cake. ^_^
Originally posted by Artie
up all the vendors prices 500 percent.
Piece of cake. ^_^ then you fuck over the noobs
If repairing a game economy would be as simple as to remove all items and/or cash and change the barter skill ... unless the whole thing gets heavily modified you will always get a 'fucked up' economy, sooner or later, it doesn't really matter.
I got a shitload of stuff on saturn. But not even 500k on all my 4 chars together...
Same with uranus. I'm still living off the money i made when i had 3 spies just to res/const/barter. Had about 4 million in my best times, but due to my massive drug problem and the fact that i tend to drop my PA3 nearly everytime i die brought me down to about 400k. And i'm too fucking lazy to get me some new money...If i need some i go waste doy bots for an hour and sell the loot. ;)
yes ezza u are corect it was directed at psycho killa
and putting up the prices 500% is going to achieve nothing, people would then be more reliant on having a const/resser/barter just to break even on build a weapon.
if i wanna make 100 holy shelters it costs a shit load if i buy the parts so i ould have to spend hours bp'ing the parts to make a tiny profit.
JUST STFU ABOUT NERFING BARTER
u can nerf apcs all u wont wont stop any1 from having cash for example i made 200 of something and wen i sold it back i made 2mill back. they didnt put barter in the game for the hell of it as i said before its the nature of the class 2 buy cheap sell more so stop spamming NERF NERF NERF BARTER!!!!
Nerfing barter would be the most dumb thing to do.
Look into the grave...erm pardon...brainport for economy threads, you find all the money generators and possible fixes for them in there.
Yes, trade skillers should be the richest chars in NC, but some items generate just too much cash. Lets take the good old APC example. Building those from parts and only the parts you cant buy from chems, you make a profit of around 80k a key with a medium level barter. You wont do the same high profit in that short time with any other vehicle. So why not just add another C10 to the APC BP and the problem gets solved. Or lower the price on ASG vendors when they buy keys by 50% or something.
Devils Grace
23-01-04, 14:30
LOL
1st
this is a thread made by a plutonion that think he logs on saturn to pk but it was pk by my 30/29 apu monk, just kuz i recognize him from the forums (remenber benjie, captain bullseye and captain birdseye).
2nd as in all saturn - pluto - saturn and quoting Gotter " my dick is biiger then urs thingy" we all found out, that pluto economy is as fucked as saturn or even worse, diference is that u dont have where to spend the money, kuz so low population, low items, parts, techs, rares and so on.
3rd and most important, u ppl are trying to do in a game sometin that real ppl cant do in their own countrys.
u can nerf all u want, money is easy to be made, and ppl will always find out ways to make money
how do u think there is multimilionares in the real fucking world
[edited for violation of the forum rules - be nice ! ]
I think Devil summed it up pritty well, why do you guys on Pluto care anyway? ohhh thats right swaping stuff form server to server, and trying to play with the big boys ;) the cash is fine so is the rare drops on the mobs, do we realy need another "nerf the economy on saturn |again|" thread? no we dont nuff said
normal tech are selling for a fucking million now on saturn, it has changed a lot i believe since the last months.
**goes back to buying c10's**
[TgR]KILLER
23-01-04, 15:36
well i know 1 thing normal tech's aint selling for millions on pluto.. only dev parts sell for around a mil because there's a few tanks trying to beat eachother in getting the parts.. that will always push prices up.. but i still bought loads and loads of unided techs for 50K a piece.. being L normal or E tech..
and a SA frame for 12 mil wtf ? i bought a whole SA for 24 O.o
Originally posted by dr.fish
normal tech are selling for a fucking million now on saturn, it has changed a lot i believe since the last months.
oh come on..
I bought 2 Hawkins Parts for 1.5million each. Just because someone is asking a million per regular tech doesnt mean the economy is fucked, mmkay ?
Wow.
I agree with everything Devils Grace said.
*heads off to doctor for examination*
Seriously, stop the damn dramatics about Saturn.
First, its not as bad as people state here in the forums. Tons of trading and selling go on, and unless you want a devourer or MC5 parts, things are very EASY to find and not that expensive.
Second, is just as bad on Pluto. You are plain ignorant if you think people dont have and spend LOTS of money on Pluto.
Devils Grace
23-01-04, 17:08
Originally posted by Strych9
Wow.
I agree with everything Devils Grace said.
*heads off to doctor for examination*
ROFLLMAO:lol:
Nerfing everyones money would do 1 thing. I would REALLY REALLY piss people like me off who actually go out, hunt and trade for their money rather than having a line of people making APCs. And it would piss noobs off because they haven't discovered the joys of making APCs. Woot. Just Nerf being able to make such a profit on selling APC.
lol it would piss my mate off more than me cos 10million of my cash is actually his for when he returns to game
Saturn is fine.
The economy(ies) are fine.
If you are too lazy to earn money then tough.
If you don't know how to earn money then ask.
APCs are NOT the only way to make money though I do think the NPCs should stop buying vehicles because it's lame.
Saturn's economy isn't bad at all.lol started 3 weeks ago and have everything.... quit whining, play.
http://members.chello.nl/hjw.heezen/Benjie.jpg
wow.
APC's arent the only thing you can get money from, pretty much anything can get you money.
my clan mates built a shit load of spells and weapons for characters in our new shared account (us 4 leaders share 1 trade skilling account, getting weapons and spells to level up)
it took about 45 minutes, and they made 300k profit after selling all the useless stuff.
not much profit but still.
BTW, ive never had more than 300k of my own money on any of my characters. Except my pluto char now though..... he was given 2 million for a job, and i got an SF for 1.4 million..... my money has been fine ever since. I got like...... 2 million now again total (Im spending my money to get the stuff I want :)
I really wish money actually meant something
Saturn reminds me of Germany during the great depression.
Anyone know what Im refering to?
Originally posted by Zanathos
Saturn reminds me of Germany during the great depression.
Anyone know what Im refering to?
It's not really like Hyperinflation.
Firstly - only high end items are affected
Second - it's not going up much, all that's happened for ages now is that different items have gone in and out of favour.
Thirdly - Neocron has no items that you can't live without (ammo and medipacks are free) so there's no poverty as such.
Fourthly - people can choose whether to be rich or poor.
Psycho Killa
24-01-04, 00:43
This problem is on all servers just not as high on all of them as some of them happen to be.
I didnt suggest nerfing barter I suggested nerfing the ability to amass tons of cash in a short amound of time. Sure its boring as hell to make apcs but then again leveling can be pretty fucking tedious too and you dont get NEARLY the same amount of money. Well geeh im bored for a couple hours while I mass produce apcs and read a book or do my homework I deserve to make 10 mil or more.
Improve barter so they are more used to purchase items but just less used to sell high end items like keys to vendors.
Just because I come from pluto does not make my opinion on this matter any less valid. I could give a fuck about saturns economy this shit happens on pluto also.
If its not a problem why are people willing to spend money for 3 extra accounts to mass produce cash?
By the way i spend the last 4 out of 5 months on saturn.
Not to mention you can sell turrets or vehicles to players for more money then to vendors. Im just want to force tradeskillers to interact with the community thats all.
The reason I dont play saturn: I started a complete noob. Realised it was fucking stupid when I attempted to buy a weapon with cash, and got the fuck out of there. It's shit! (unless your already established, which ALL of you people are!) I played up to rank 36, leveling with Pistols which is a lot slower. (don't discuss, off topic.) so i didn't just hang around for a few days. (actually i played saturn for about 3 weeks)
The reason it shoud be nerfed: It has a problem, it can't admit it but it does.
It affects other servers: I've seen saturn people come to pluto paying 4 million for a moveon. The pluto price is 1.2. Prices inflate when people realise they can charge more, and they realise they can charge more when they see people buying moveon cpu's for a frikkin 4 million!
I'm pissed off with plutos econamy inflating due to saturn peeps coming over (admitadly not that big a problem), with the new publisher apparently bringing in more noobs, things need to be sorted out fast.
lol i bough a vein ripper on pluto for 300k you gonna say im inflating the price on pluto now :lol:
im one of the laziest players going, i hate hunting, and can rarly be bothered to trade techs, only just got my Dev the other day, cos i couldnt be bothered to trade /buy, but when i did want to get it, took me about a hour total time to get the trades to get 4 of the parts and buy the last one.
the only diffrence i see between pluto and saturn is that pluto is more money orientated and a little tech trading, where as saturn is major tech trading and a little money.
and its not hard to get in on the action, kill a few warbys get a few techs and start trading for what you want, pretty quickly you get what you need
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