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Psycho Killa
22-01-04, 22:17
AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA
Fuck the musin industry. If they didnt charge 15$ for 70 minutes or less of friggen music (It cost the same for a god damn dvd) Then maybe piracy wouldnt of been so big. It seems now in the us most have been lowered to around 10 which is a bit more acceptable but if it wasnt for piracy they would have never done that.
lol im sending mine back right away...............
The RIAA can go stick their lawsuits up their collective rear-ends.
--Stryfe
The web sight should be called "Help Us Sue You"
:lol:
VictorKruger
22-01-04, 22:29
hm...i wonder if their mail server can handle a 20+ GB attachment....well can't hurt to try :D
metalangel
22-01-04, 22:29
Oh, you poor little Merkins, paying $15 for a CD... I'll tell you something, in the UK, we pay £15 for a CD. That's $27.
Go look at hmv.co.uk if you don't believe me.
i prefer the fax way without printing :)
just OOo --> ISDN
How childish is that? Is spamming nowadays a legitimate way of pushing forward arguments?
Hey how about this.. Lets all send mass emails to KK to have poison/PPU/para/holy heal/PEs/stealth nerfed o_O
Originally posted by Chaplin
How childish is that? Is spamming nowadays a legitimate way of pushing forward arguments?
Hey how about this.. Lets all send mass emails to KK to have poison/PPU/para/holy heal/PEs/stealth nerfed o_O i think your onto something there chaplin mate:lol:
Originally posted by metalangel
Oh, you poor little Merkins, paying $15 for a CD... I'll tell you something, in the UK, we pay £15 for a CD. That's $27.
Go look at hmv.co.uk if you don't believe me.
Your avatar is so hot.
Gotterdammerung
22-01-04, 22:57
I'm just venturing a guess here, but I doubt that the wholesale solicitation for mp3 owners to send back all their mp3's is on the up-and-up. It sounds more like a scam to spam & clog the riaa servers. I'll err on the side of caution with this. I don't want Reakktor to be viewed as condoning a veiled DNS attack
Nightbrother
22-01-04, 22:58
This site > all sites! Feel the love grow inside you.
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/
Originally posted by metalangel
Oh, you poor little Merkins, paying $15 for a CD... I'll tell you something, in the UK, we pay £15 for a CD. That's $27.
ON MARS< WE PAY 4 CDS WIT JOY & HAPPEENIS.
HONASTR!
How childish is that? Is spamming nowadays a legitimate way of pushing forward arguments?
Oh come on, it's entertaining. The RIAA is doing their damndest to prevent filesharing, even to the point of hiring out mercenaries to bust bootleggers (note that most of these people were ex-cops, wearing tactical gear and police style clothing.). link (http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/07/news-sullivan.php)
Now you have like, 100 lawsuits against the RIAA for theft, illegal restraint, and impersonation of police officers for monetary gain.
Frankly, both sides in this game ar taking shots. At least the pro-fileshare folk have a sense of humor.
loltastic. (http://dirtynuke.net/24971riaa.jpg)
Psycho Killa
22-01-04, 23:01
Why does everyone have to bring nationalities into this. Leave it out of it you could of easily said well in america it may be bad but its even worse here.
Simple fact I wouldnt pay 15 dollars for a music cd I will listen to a few times then will collect dust. 27 dollars I feel bad for you thats insane.
lets send KK the bugged log files!!
20gb +
metalangel
22-01-04, 23:52
There was a site in the UK called CD-WOW that bought their CDs from North American suppliers (where they'd be cheaper) and then sold them to Europeans, passing on the savings they'd gotten buying them in the first place. Then the European equivalent of the RIAA hears about this, takes them to court for 'copyright infringement' stating that the CDs are not copyrighted for use or sale in Europe, and now CD-WOW has had to raise their prices in order to buy CDs from European suppliers and avoid 'infringing' the 'copyright'.
Or, in other words, the record companies used a legal loophole to disguise using their monopoly to maintain their profit stream at the expense of their customers. While for the sake of this thread I won't condone downloading Mp3s, I bet those of you who do don't feel so bad about it after hearing about the behaviour of the 'poor hardworking people' you 'rip off'. :mad:
Originally posted by Marx
Oh come on, it's entertaining. [/URL]
So email spamming is as entertaining as DoS-attacks and site-hacks, right? Besides, you didnt get my point. Feel free to express your opinion about the RIAA but imho the choice of weapon in this case is childish...
btw.: Try mailorders that specialise in the music-type you are looking for, they sell for 12-14 USD. I can recommend a nice one for gothic/ambient/dark wave :cool:
So email spamming is as entertaining as DoS-attacks and site-hacks, right? Besides, you didnt get my point. Feel free to express your opinion about the RIAA but imho the choice of weapon in this case is childish...
It's just as entertaining as seeing a pseudo-swat team wearing yellow jackets storm a bootleg vendor and restrain him/her illegally while they take their shit and run.
:rolleyes:
Frankly, if they hadn't done that, I'd be more sympathetic to the RIAA's cause and frown at this site. However, they did.
Heavy handed actions lead to heavy handed responses. Instead of doing things the morally right and commonsensical way, the RIAA is doing it the staunch capitalist way. "STOP THE LEAK NOW, BY ANY MEANS".
Hell, if anything, their actions of late have looked more and more desperate.
darkservent
23-01-04, 00:39
erm wots this thread abt as u can see the msg put up by the starrter of the thread has been changed to.....[edited for violation of the forum rules]
Its complete bollocks that we have to pay £15 for a fucking CD that you can get off your mate for £1 with him breaking even FFS!
I mean if they charged maybe £10 then that would be better.... but £15 its just stupid. Whats even MORE stupid is the FUCKING game prices. They go from fucking £40 to £50 in some places.... OMG, how about no? Lets think, shall I spend £50 quid, which may I point out as a teenager would take me two months to get hold of, or shall I pay £1 (once again) for a CD-RW and get my mate to compy it for me?
God damn fucking CD Music and Games industry people.
Necrosadistic
23-01-04, 04:24
Depends what music you listen to...
If you buy your cd's at gigs and mailorders you can get them for about £ 8-10...
Then again, I listen to extreme metal where no one gives a damn about profits... Its much easier if you listen to a genre based on inedpendent companies not the majors...
btw in Russia officially licensed, bookletted CD's cost £3... And the companies that produce them still manage to make a profit, as well as those who have licensed the cd's to them...
The bands themselves only get £1 per CD sold by the way, so this whole system does not even benefit the artists...
metalangel
23-01-04, 19:34
Yeah, in Russia I hear they sell two versions... one is just the case and disc for like $3, and the other costs a lot more but you get the box and printed manual and other goodies. Pirate stuff costs $2 but people gladly pasy the extra $1 for the proper version!
And ffs, you buy Flight Sim 2004 for £39, and you don't get a manual! You have to read freakin' PDFs! They've got us right where they want us, across a log saying what a purty mouth we've got :mad:
Personally I think Rosen, Valenti et al need to be kicked to death by the millions of consumers and artists they have been abusing for so long.
I now boycott all companies that are members of either the RIAA or MPAA because I am sick of their illegal and immoral actions. Seeing that they are now employing Brownshirts doesn't surprise me in the least.
I used to spend hundreds of pounds a month on their products until a few years ago but they won't see another penny from me funding their crime syndicates.
At the end of the day the music industry is dieing. These are it's death throws. The industry is not prepaired to adapt and hasn't for about 70 years. It had an outmoded business model. Something else will take it's place. Hopefully it will be the propagation of quality music for a fee that keeps the musicians in a job and us not feeling fleeced.
Anyone hear about cdwow being essentially put out of business due to the music industry threatening to sue for CDWOW parallel importing music from Asia? So not only are they price fixing in Europe but there ignoring the fucking free market! And governments are supporting them! Wankers!!!!
@ RIAA Adapt or Die!
DjSKum
I happily pay £5-15 for CDs that I like and listen too. As long as I can buy a CD and rip it for adding to my playlist so I don't have to change CDs I am happy.
I do not think £5-15 is too much for 70 minutes of music (I don't generally buy singles) that artists have spent months producing (I don't listen to manufactured pop artists who bring out a new CD every month) and from which I'll get hours of enjoyment.
I do disagree with some of the RIAA's tactics, as I disagree with some of the tactics being used by some of the people who are anti-RIAA.
If I get a CD that I can't rip to my HDD then I'll send it back (hasn't happened yet), as I believe what I do is fair use.
I do personally disagree with regional price fixing and the situation with CD-NOW.
Personally, I think the best way to encourage music distributors to lower prices is to only buy music when it's on special offer. This is something I have done with DVD's that I believe to be overpriced (I don't pay more than £15 for a DVD).
Athon Solo
i wish i cared i dont know what this thread is about :(
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NS_CHROME54
24-01-04, 18:59
mwahaha.
up here in canada we only pay 13$ for CD's. that's about 10$ american these days :P. and THAT is worth paying (at least for a good album, anyway).
http://lethalg33k.co.uk/riaa.jpg
i love this pic, says it all heh
I can't wait for the day when all band realise that they don't need the record companies any more and begin to sell direct to us.
Good bands don't need to spend money on advertising, word of mouth is enough. It's the shitty manufactured bands that the music industry has to keep on plugging, so that impressionable youngsters will buy what they are told is "cool".
The sooner the middle men are out on the street and our money goes straight to the artists the better in my opinion.
Cerebus
metalangel
24-01-04, 23:03
Yeah, it's great in Canada, went home to visit in November and bought 10 CDs, which is about as many as I've bought in 5 years living in the UK. Except, some are $23... like Me First and the Gimme Gimmes, don't understand why... :wtf:
£15, meanwhile, is only acceptable for the very finest CDs, the CDs you will treasure forever, that you like every track on, the ones you adore. £15 is NOT an impulse buy price. £10 is. Back when I was a teen in Toronto with $40 a week allowance, I bought TONS of CDs. I would take chances on bands I hadn't heard of, or those recommended by other people. Now, I don't dare waste £12 on something that may well be shit.
Thing is, I think books are going the same way. We've got a £12 book token from Xmas, and just went into the bookshop to try and spend it. And I couldn't find a thing that really interested me, but if I were to log onto Amazon I'd find £100 worth of books I'd want, easily.
Oh, and this might interest you, I'll knock the size down a notch tho as it's quite long, it's me comparing CD prices:
CRANES - FUTURE SONGS:
Amazon.co.uk - £12.99
HMVUK: £13.99
TOWER: £12.35
CDWOW: Doesn't have it
AMAZON US: £6.18
VELOCITY GIRL - COPACETIC:
Amazon.co.uk - £12.99
HMVUK: Doesn't have it!
TOWER: £11.35
CDWOW: Doesn't have it!
AMAZON US: £6.18
VITESSE - YOU WIN AGAIN GRAVITY:
Amazon.co.uk - £12.99
HMVUK: £12.99
TOWER: £12.35, but not available.
CDWOW: Doesn't have it!!!
AMAZON US: £9.22
MANIFOLD SPLENDOUR - MY NIGHT TIME CAREER:
Amazon.co.uk - £12.99 but 3-5 week delay
HMVUK: Doesn't have it
Tower: £8.38!!!! Ships from USA tho
CDWOW: Doesn't have it!! They suck!
AMAZON US: Out Of Stock.
Conclusions, then.
CDWOW are for mainstream stuff only. Tower have the best prices in the UK, but Amazon are more likely to have it in stock.
And, CDs in the US cost just over half what they do here. Which is the most important conclusion of all.
OK. 70% of ALL music out there has been obtained illegally, so quite a few people are missing out on their money. The only people who deserve the money, are the artists themselves, and those artists are making plenty of money of the other 30%.
I have about 10 gig of stuff, mostly mp3's that i shouldn't have. But the people who deserve credit for making the music get plenty of credit, and more than plenty of money. Nobody else deserves to make a profit out of the music.
Then this RIAA shit come's along and tries to make people pay outragous prices, so music stores and record companies can make millions off of other people's work. I think that's the bigger crime.
metalangel
25-01-04, 01:05
Hehe, wouldn't it be funny if artists made their money from concerts and other gigs, and their music was distributed either by mp3 or directly from themselves?
That would be the end of record labels... until some bands couldn't keep track of demand to keep their stuff out there, and hired someone to do it. And that someone did a few other bands. And there's the labels back again.
Originally posted by djskum
@ RIAA Adapt or Die!Nah, how about they just die and leave the rest of us alone. ;) :angel:
--Stryfe
Q`alooaith
25-01-04, 06:37
Originally posted by metalangel
Oh, you poor little Merkins, paying $15 for a CD... I'll tell you something, in the UK, we pay £15 for a CD. That's $27.
Go look at hmv.co.uk if you don't believe me.
Hell some cost more..
Even after shipping on top you can buy cheeper music from the US and have it shipped, even one CD at a time it's still cheeper...
Don't forget to have it gift wraped though...;)
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