View Full Version : A simple hybrid fix
sanityislost
20-01-04, 20:38
if u have one point in apu u get an auto -200 in ppu
and
if u have one point in ppu u get an auto -200 in apu
meh its my idea but wtf do i know lol
Original monk
20-01-04, 20:43
well, it aint that bad of an idea, could be a liberation maybe
i didnt voted yet ill vote tommorow
I'm not sure, not yes and not no.
*scratches head*
Psycho Killa
20-01-04, 20:47
No hybrids should be viable but equal to a pe in strength.
Originally posted by Psycho Killa
No hybrids should be viable
agreed. and about how strong defence/ofence they should have
i'm not the one to say
//Radium
Deanus_willis
20-01-04, 20:55
there is no reason not to have hybrids. they are fun to use and allow for none specialisation of what is after all the MAIN char type in the game. Yes the Psi's did turn the tide in the story line so why be confined to either apu or ppu. What we need is a method of creating a Hybrid that isn't overpowered. Not eliminate them completely
Try again
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Hybrids should be viable
remove the kami chip and I am happy
Deanus_willis
20-01-04, 21:07
remove the kami chip and I am happy
In that case the next patch will have us both jumping up and down in happiness :D
As long as those pesky brainers of the game dont figure out a way to use the kami chip even with the nerf, then its back to Nerf the Hybrids threads. which i dont want to see.
Originally posted by Deanus_willis
In that case the next patch will have us both jumping up and down in happiness :D
wrong
you might be, i wont.
i want the kami chip removed, not my spells.
MjukisDjur
20-01-04, 22:04
Originally posted by retr0n
agreed. and about how strong defence/ofence they should have
i'm not the one to say
//Radium
If you are going to quote so make it right...
No. Even though I hate hybrids even more than I hate PPUs and PEs, they do not deserve to be completely removed. If all goes well with the test server, then in the next retail patch there won't be any problems with hybrids. They will lose the higest branch of spells in the process, but I do think that pures should be the ones using holy spells. Anyway, blessed shelter and heal, even regular shelter and heal look the same as their holy cousins. :p
Disturbed021
20-01-04, 22:12
Originally posted by Psycho Killa
No hybrids should be viable but equal to a pe in strength.
Agreed.
Hybrids r fun to play and with the raising of the reqs on the high tl spells they will never even get close to the old uber hybrids.
The only reason hybrids were so overpowered was because they could use Holy Shelter, Holy heal along with Holy Para and HL (afaik they will not be able to use those spells).
So, whats gonna be the problem?
sanityislost
20-01-04, 23:04
naa i think hybrids are fucked they dont make the game balanced as it should be so fuck em lol
Why does the game need to be balanced? Not everyone is equal in real life, why make it so in the game? Play to have fun...
Ever play Anarchy Online, or any other MMORPG? Games dont need 100% balance. Doctors in AO could stand toe to toe with pretty much anyone and survive, while doing damage...traders could debuff you to hell, and then destroy you.
If you want to PVP, make a character for that purpose, if you want to PVM, do the same, but just play for fun, dont bitch about balance.
Shadow Dancer
21-01-04, 00:07
Originally posted by Psycho Killa
No hybrids should be viable but equal to a pe in strength.
without the stealth and minor tradeskillin?
Nah. :p
Psycho Killa
21-01-04, 00:09
Wtf dont give me this shit.
A pe has to give up some of his fighting potential just as much as a psi would to tradeskill. Maybe not all pe's think this but I got on my melee pe 41 rof on a damage boost. Getting a damage boost of in just over a second is a big thing since most pe's never damage boost because it takes to long.
Stealth is a combat tool. I mean in a fight even using stealth 1 vs 1 a pe and a hybrid match should go either way. Straight up fire fight with a tc user not using stealth then sure the hybrid will be more likely to win. Though if the pe is able to use stealth to sneak attack the hybrid it should be an even fight. Now nontech is different he should be able to stand up to a hybrid 1 on 1 since he has higher desfensive abilities.
So just because a pe has stealth which is getting reworked and the ability to tradeskill which gives up as much combat skill as a hybrid a hybrid should win 1 on 1?
And when i say the strength of a pe i dont mean same heal same defense same attack. I just mean that a hybrid should have an equal chance of killing a pe that a pe does.
Originally posted by Strieder
Why does the game need to be balanced? Not everyone is equal in real life, why make it so in the game? Play to have fun...
Ever play Anarchy Online, or any other MMORPG? Games dont need 100% balance. Doctors in AO could stand toe to toe with pretty much anyone and survive, while doing damage...traders could debuff you to hell, and then destroy you.
If you want to PVP, make a character for that purpose, if you want to PVM, do the same, but just play for fun, dont bitch about balance.
Because when that happens in Neocron it just becomes XX-o-cron when all the pussies jump ship and go on to their new uber class. If a Class is better in PvP than all others then they should suffer some other sort of penalty.
Shadow Dancer
21-01-04, 00:11
Originally posted by Psycho Killa
Wtf dont give me this shit.
A pe has to give up some of his fighting potential just as much as a psi would to tradeskill. Maybe not all pe's think this but I got on my melee pe 41 rof on a damage boost. Getting a damage boost of in just over a second is a big thing since most pe's never damage boost because it takes to long.
Stealth is a combat tool I mean in a fight even using stealth 1 vs 1 a pe and a hybrid match should go either way.
Well I guess we disagree then.
Psycho Killa
21-01-04, 00:13
Disagree on what you give pe's one little toy and now you think hybrids should kick a pe's ass all the time?
What is your idea of balance between a pe and a hybrid how often should a hybrid win versus a pe?
Shadow Dancer
21-01-04, 00:14
Originally posted by Psycho Killa
Disagree on what you give pe's one little toy and now you think hybrids should kick a pe's ass all the time?
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Psycho Killa
21-01-04, 00:16
How about you stop spamming as usual and answer the question.
Out of 10 fights how many should the best hybrid win versus the best pe?
I agree with PK that the PE should be equal in strength to the hybrid. Thats what appeals to me so much about the hybrid and I am eager to level mine. (Even after hearing the new reqs on Blessed Heal :p)
KK wants hybs balanced hybs and now after this patch they are really gonna be nice. make -200 PPU is just lame hope they never listen to you...
5% penalty and raise the APU/PPU on the high end spells is just fine then they cant go holy heal with HL..
If a character had -200 APU, then theyd also have -200 PPU, thus an unplayable character...thats not a fix
sanityislost
21-01-04, 01:54
not if they didnt put any of there skill points into the other skill
Mr Friendly
21-01-04, 07:29
Originally posted by Jest
I agree with PK that the PE should be equal in strength to the hybrid. Thats what appeals to me so much about the hybrid and I am eager to level mine. (Even after hearing the new reqs on Blessed Heal :p)
yes, but this goes back to another point. The PE isnt suppost to be the class that kills monks the easiest. thats the tanks job, but seeing as how the PE can do more than the speedgat. which is where ppl get the PEs are overpowered stuff from.
but o/w, i aint gettin back into dis sheet again
hybrids should be viable
but not overpowered
easier said then done...
Well i dont see a prob with them but as if KK doesnt want them just remove the ability to make them in the first place.
Just it sucks to not be able to change from one class to the other
Maybe make a new class set up APU PSI MONK PPU PSI MONK
reset all monk points and make them select one or the other
hell I dont know good bye logging in now :-p
Originally posted by Omnituens
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I posted YES - Hybrids are way too powerful atm and the next patch we will probably see more - but without the Kami in. Maybe if KK just made them less powerful...
[TgR]KILLER
21-01-04, 11:39
Well imo if u put points in the APU or PPU the other should get gimped a little more.. but as it was a few patches back when my mate had a APU with a TL 3 heal specced it was totaly useless it din't heal @ all lol.. mayby 1 point on 2 ticks.. so useless..
do the same thing for like blessed heal :p
hybrids are fun to play esp when leveling.. because u can heal yourself.. but i'm making a Pure monkey won't lom to hybrid..
ow and san aint a n00b he's just insane :p
this idea is stupid, as are the changes on the test server.
the only one i agree with is the kami chip changes.
my IQ is well into triple figures btw.
Originally posted by Omnituens
this idea is stupid, as are the changes on the test server.This idea is stupider though. :p
Besides, the test server changes aren't that bad. It's nothing like it used to be, but that's nothing unexpected.
Edit: Removed some rampant idiocy, those who saw it know what I mean.
Original monk
21-01-04, 16:38
Originally posted by Omnituens
this idea is stupid, as are the changes on the test server.
the only one i agree with is the kami chip changes.
im down with you omnituens, people should ask you first since you are the one and only real hybrid :) (by this i mean you where the one persistant enough to not lom pure when everybody else did)
respect and youre right that they are fucking up the hybrids ...
Originally posted by Psycho Killa
How about you stop spamming as usual and answer the question.
Out of 10 fights how many should the best hybrid win versus the best pe? With stealth, the hybrid wouldnt win any, and most would end in a draw with the PE continually stealthing off to heal, and then the hybrid getting bored.
yup, the hybrid would just /set kill_self 1 out of fustraition just to end the fight.
Originally posted by Strych9
With stealth, the hybrid wouldnt win any, and most would end in a draw with the PE continually stealthing off to heal, and then the hybrid getting bored.
Psycho Killa said the BEST PE. The BEST PE wouldnt keep stealthing away to heal. He would fight to the end (imo :p)
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