View Full Version : Why i'm sick to death of this game....
DigestiveBiscui
15-01-04, 15:31
1. login, go to citycom - crash
2. login stuck on sync screen
3. login with 0 SL 0 cash and no weapons
4. login with sync screen
5. login crash
6. login go to citycom and crash
7. login, zone, crash
im not gonna go on and have a big yell, because ive said it enough times and they dont listen - dont say they do, because its been like this for ages (year maybe?) and they....dont, the whole citycom situation has got worse recently
re-installing doesnt help, so dont say that, because i've tried it along with others, and it fixes nothing.
all i can see for neocron in the future is DOY - FILLED with more bugs because it hasnt been tested correctly or anything like that, more crashes, bollocks fps and even though some of the changes look fucking great, i doubt half the people will be able to use them due to crashing, syncs, turd fps...and so on
Win2000?
Neocron never actually crashes for me, ever. I havn't had Permasynch for about a month and a half too, and back then it was a rarity. The reason I get so much good luck is mainly because of my compatability with Neocron.
DigestiveBiscui
15-01-04, 15:44
windows XP pro with SP1
QuantumDelta
15-01-04, 15:44
Biscuit, if you want people to help you, you're probably going to need to post up system specs.
Graphics, Motherboard, Processor(Type, not just speed), RAM(Type, as specific as possible), Operating System, Sound Card, etc...
Background programs? what are you running other than neocron?
You know there are background programs that make Cron crash ALL the time?
If you have a GF5x00 FX - I would recommend getting RivaTuner and turning AA off completely (Detonators don't seem to do it).
Give us somethin to work with...
Ergh, I have no real experience with XP and Cron .... that was a mine field I just couldn't bare to step in ...so I ran 98se (worked like a charm)
Originally posted by Benjie
Neocron never actually crashes for me, ever. I havn't had Permasynch for about a month and a half too, and back then it was a rarity. The reason I get so much good luck is mainly because of my compatability with Neocron.
If there's systems like yours which are so "compatible" with NC, surely it shouldn't be that hard to figure out which systems AREN'T so compatible with NC.. and WHY.. and rectify it.
I'm far from being a computer expert but I can't understand why these things have been there so long without being fixed. :confused:
DigestiveBiscui
15-01-04, 15:47
nothing out of the ordinary running the the BG.....BT yahoo etc, firewall, pc-cillin anti-virus
512RAM
AMD Athlon 1800
GF4 MX 440
80 HD (dont know the make, cba to look :p)
Soltek SL-75FRV/75FRV-L mobo
I say this time and time again - if you have so many problems and I don't, do you really think this is down just to KK ? Could it be you have too many other apps / services running ?
DigestiveBiscui
15-01-04, 15:49
Originally posted by GT_Rince
I say this time and time again - if you have so many problems and I don't, do you really think this is down just to KK ? Could it be you have too many other apps / services running ?
im a mad comptuer clean guy :p i make sure there is NOTHING that doesnt need to be running on my computer
so nah, its not really nu-needed services runnign thats fucking it up, no spyware (check it daily)
the only things i have running atm are my firewall and anti-virus, bt yahoo, IE explorer and all the needed system thingies
Originally posted by DigestiveBiscui
im a mad comptuer clean guy :p i make sure there is NOTHING that doesnt need to be running on my computer
so nah, its not really nu-needed services runnign thats fucking it up, no spyware (check it daily)
the only things i have running atm are my firewall and anti-virus, bt yahoo, IE explorer and all the needed system thingies
sounds like me :) I have next to nothing running and it can be days between me seeing a crash / fatal.
One thing I did see on a different forum (non-NC related), everyone that has DSL installed on a line, can make it better. You just call BT (or phone provider), and ask them to adjust the gain accordingly. If it goes too far, it can affect the phone quality, so it is a case of trial and error.
Also, I notice that I can crash up to 5-6 times more if I have IE open...
VVerevvolf
15-01-04, 16:01
My worst login ever (since BETA 4 days) was a synch and after relog a 0SL0money-bug. 3rd relog, everything alright.
Normally I only have in 1 of 20 log-ins right-click bug
DigestiveBiscui
15-01-04, 16:21
its just getting on, i know other people who have it, once im on i rarely crash (unless i use the citycom)
Dribble Joy
15-01-04, 16:37
This whole crashing in CityCom is very odd, and perma syncs, I don't want to sound rude but.... what are they? no seriously, I am confused. I get the occational FRE when quitting NC, which is good, get to the desktop faster, and I have FREed VERY infrequently outside of that.
My fps is crap, but my ping and lag are fine.
i get a mix of :
FRE in CityCom
Very rare sync crashed (unless in an APC - then massive crashes with nearly every zone, all members of APC crash too)
Occasional FRE in normal gameplay
lots of FRE's on exiting game
I have never EVER got ANY error when accessing a City-com. (98Se > all)
Anyway, try to turn off your firewall and see what happens, if it's muuuuuch better then have it turned off while you are playing (I don't get this firewall thingy anyway if you have important stuff you should keep it backuped and/or encrypted)
Try to formate your harddrive. Install Cron imediately after running windows update and see if it's any better. If it is then install your usual programs one by one and check what fucks it up.
Psyco Groupie
15-01-04, 16:47
Theres zero problems with citycom other than clan cash transfers .. anything else is your install / computer .. post it!
Jesterthegreat
15-01-04, 17:02
Originally posted by GT_Rince
I say this time and time again - if you have so many problems and I don't, do you really think this is down just to KK ? Could it be you have too many other apps / services running ?
heh i run NC (windowed), IRC, MSN, IE (or equevilent - IE has died on me), mouse app, sound app...
and those are just the things i know about :)
i dont crash on my PC (custom build by me... not great spec, amazing performance)
ZoneVortex
15-01-04, 17:07
when you say something like "well i dn't crash and you do, so it's gotta be something in your computer. it's not KK's fault, it's yours cause it's YOUR computer" and you're actually serious, then look
it's the game's fault that it doesn't understand complicated processes (yes i know they are complicated and that is why it can be tough to debug them) when they are matched up against certain peoples' computers
if it's a windows compatable game it should run well on windows 95, 98, ME, xp, whatever
if it doesn't then there's something wrong in the game's programming
Dribble Joy
15-01-04, 17:08
Hmmm, biscuit, is your comp 'custom', Ie. did you build it yourself.
Mine is totally self made and installed, and I have virtually no problems.
Don't trust anyone else to make it for you, damn PC world.
Jesterthegreat
15-01-04, 17:15
Originally posted by ZoneVortex
when you say something like "well i dn't crash and you do, so it's gotta be something in your computer. it's not KK's fault, it's yours cause it's YOUR computer" and you're actually serious, then look
it's the game's fault that it doesn't understand complicated processes (yes i know they are complicated and that is why it can be tough to debug them) when they are matched up against certain peoples' computers
if it's a windows compatable game it should run well on windows 95, 98, ME, xp, whatever
if it doesn't then there's something wrong in the game's programming
heh of course when i say i have no problems... i dont mean that :D
i have no idea why my PC does NC so well... almost all other games dont run well on it... SWG and DAoC run shit :lol:
Originally posted by QuantumDelta
If you have a GF5x00 FX - I would recommend getting RivaTuner and turning AA off completely (Detonators don't seem to do it).
Got one of those, and dont get much problems :shrugs:
even with AA on O_O
Well, maybe you lots can help me then?
here are my system specs:
Celeron 1.8
256 ddr
Asus p4b533 motherboard
ati radeon 8500 128mb
running on win xp pro, sp 1, regularly patched
only things running in the background are norton antivirus and firewall
and here's what i got:
- steady 30 fps in normal environment
- 5-10 fps in crowded p1
- 2-5 fps in op wars
- steady 2 fps in redrock (what's going on with this OP?????)
- steady memory leaks which turns my NC to crash regularly after 20-30 mins of playing
- steady syncs after crash, usually it takes me 3-5 attemps to relog into the game at all
- steady inventory bug after each death (99% efficiency)
- steady FREs each time i'm getting out of crp caves (75% efficiency)
- around 50% chance to FRE after GRing
now please tell me, what is wrong with my system specs???? i really could use some help here...
never ever had any real problem with other games before, but this is really ridicolous. The most horrible, buggable software i've ever had is simply nothing compared to NC. And so far i haven't found any solution for this. Everything on my PC is running excellent, except NC...
this is really frustrating
so, waiting for your help computer maniacs...
az
Jesterthegreat
15-01-04, 18:13
dunno tbh...
AMD Athlon XP+ 2600
GeForce 3 Ti 500
256MB RAM (was expensive when i made my PC)
Chaintech mobo (i forget details though)
DSL connection.
30 fps in plaza 1
100 fps in empty areas
15-20 fps in OP wars
You get sick to death of this game?
Do what I have been doing. Play Star Wars : KOTOR :D
Or Americas Army, Unreal II XMP, Wolfenstein Enemy Territory, ETC...
Im bored of neocron right now so im playin other games.
Playin for 4 and a half months straight almost makes the game a little boring after awile.
Jesterthegreat
15-01-04, 18:17
i'm playing:
SWG
Fallout 2
Fallout
Champ Mngr 2003-2004
FFIX (only one i got that isnt scratched beyond use)
THUG
NFSU
and of course, perfecting my playlist :D
:edit: most importantly - The Specialists (http://www.specialistsmod.net)
Originally posted by DigestiveBiscui
1. login, go to citycom - crash
2. login stuck on sync screen
3. login with 0 SL 0 cash and no weapons
4. login with sync screen
5. login crash
6. login go to citycom and crash
7. login, zone, crash
You forget :
8. Login and cant right click on anything (you will notice this one the most if you can fix your other problems).
I had almost all those problems before but now it's back to my no. 8 and the odd fatal, which is fine. I think I may have talked with you about this before ages ago in pm but I couldnt help from what I remember. What I did was change my set up as per the neocron site instructions router/firewall software : wingate 4.0 to coyote linux and all my problems were solved. Syncing only takes a second or two maximum.
Currently I'm connected directly to the net via a cable modem to my network card as I moved out of home. It's works the same here - maybe slightly longer sync times oddly enough.
Maybe you can try on a new network card or something.
512RAM
AMD Athlon 1800
GF4 MX 440
80 HD (dont know the make, cba to look )
Soltek SL-75FRV/75FRV-L mobo
Your spec is _very_ similar to mine. I use soltek SL-75DRV motherboard, athlon 1900+, gf4 ti4600 + a gamesurround fortissimo II. I tried _everything_ i could think of with that pc before I worked out it was my firewall/router at fault.
Your probs sound very network oriented. My crashes always read that ntdll.dll had the exception - in the error log or callstack. I would take the guess that those errors are related to network :) So maybe it's worth looking in there too.
I use XP Pro.
I also feel your pain :) I had a good 6 months of it before I managed to fix it, after support closed their doors to me ;)
I must stress the fact again that I believe all those problems are network rather than graphics or sound related
I imagine you are on ADSL.. and I dont know exactly how that works but...
It may be that you can fix this be adjusting your network settings. At my parent's house, my dad's win2k machine kept messing up the internet connection - it would only happen when that one machine was on, so I had to do a bit of investigating into the network settings.
I cant remember _exactly_ what I did (I cant check with NT4 at work), but I think it was something along the lines of disabling netbeui and disabling netbios over IP. If you can trim your connection settings down to the bare minimum needed to be connected to the internet and use DNS, this may help you out.
Things that Neocron is allergic to
Windows 2000
Large open spaces actually inside of Neocron (uses seperate engine to wastelands. Thats why there arn't many of them, and one of the reasons why plaza 1 gives people such crappy fps)
ATI cards
Not multiple people on screen, but multiple player skins on screen at a time. (so if everyone wore PA people would probabally get better fps)
(if you know lotz about the engine please add to this list)
QuantumDelta
15-01-04, 21:40
KILL The firewall.
KILL The Anti-Virus Program.
You don't NEED them while you're running Neocron if you close any messangers.
I ran for absolutely ages (and I mean it's measurable in years) without a firewall, I'm on cable, never been hacked.
FW = Most stupid thing to have running when playing a computer game if you are having trouble with the games reliability.
AV Software = Next.
I believe Numb is quite right, most of Cron's problems are ping/packetloss/network baxed.
Originally posted by Xylaz
now please tell me, what is wrong with my system specs???? i really could use some help here...
In a word, the Celeron. In a few more, firewall and Norton running, and outdated GFX card.
Nash_Brigham
15-01-04, 22:41
It's quite possible yoru synch and crash errors are due to your firewall. Try turning it off when you play Neocron and see if that helps.
I get a lot of crashes to. I got two computers I play Neocron on and I can tell you that Windows XP doesnt give less crashes than Win2k.
First computer:
AMD T-bird 1,4ghz
Creative Geforce 3 64mb
512 SDRAM
Windows XP
Second computer:
AMD T-brid 1,4ghz
3D Prophet III Geforce 3 64mb DDR
1024 DDR
Windows 2000 SP3
whats your i-net connection again biccy? maybe thats the reason for crashing??....
but anyway i think youre right with the citycom thing KK told me too to re-install the game and i did and nothing got better soooooo.......:confused:
DigestiveBiscui
16-01-04, 00:59
I'm on DSL (or ADSL in UK :p) so its not a problem with being on a budget turd connection :)
firewall was off for 30mins tonight - crashed crashed crashed crashed crashed........
There's definately more problem's with Neocron than you "it's your system"-ists are toting.
Theres zero problems with citycom other than clan cash transfers .. anything else is your install / computer .. post it!
I call bullshit. For a week straight, I couldn't click on e-mail or it would crash. Every time. Then it started working all of a sudden. Friend had the same problem.
Also, the list of things Neocron is "allergic" to is hardly an excuse. Being "allergic" to the second largest consumer level video card manfacturer is rediculous.
I can agree with a lot of the problems being the result of poor netcode (the problem I imagine is their servers aren't the best quality, and the client software isn't very fault tolerant, so when the server hiccups and sends you some bogus data, the game simply flips out and commits suicide, rather than saying "hey wait, this data doesn't make sense".)
Although there's sometimes when I feel KK is getting mighty close to "failure to provide service" when it takes 15 minutes to log in because of sync errors and just sitting there waiting for the thing to connect, but I am more understanding since I am connecting from another continent. I'd like to see them get some sort of north american gateway server that has a lightning fast pipe over to their servers and handles all of our bandwidth.
Of course, all of this is a reason, and not a bloody excuse. Fix the goddamn software. This is what the beta was for. As for you that might say it's my computer, I laugh. over 100+ hours on prime95 without a single error, and memtest86 for 48 hours on top of that, plus 48 hours straight of 3dmark2001 runs to test stability in 3d games. I run Neocron on both a vanilla copy of XPSP1 (no FW, no AV) and also a heavily tweaked second install that only uses 50MB of memory and has no unecessary services. The level of crashing and such is the same.
Neocron is the most poorly optimized (netcode, and the engine it runs on is a piece of shit. does NC even USE any of the hardware based optimizations that exist besides transform and lighting?), buggy piece of software I've ever seen. It's amazing they make any money, because KK lucked out and brought in a very, very patient crowd of people, myself included. Other software would never make it past beta if it was as buggy as the version that *thousands of people are paying for* of Neocron is.
Get your act together KK. Get some assistance if it's too much of a workload, hell, I'm sure there's community members that would work for free doing oddjobs if you gave them a free account. I know I would, and I'm fairly fluent in C++ and have experience with the windows, d3d and opengl apis.
No point in posting shit like this here.
Everyone will just say its your computer.
Its not your computer tho. Its the game.
I get this same shit, yet I managed to play DAOC and UO for years without ever getting a single crash or sync out on my "broken" computer.
What a joke :rolleyes:
I have been running windows xp for the last 2 months, AGAINST my own will (yes it will be gone asap once i get time to format), and no nothings different.
Everyone said the same thing...OMG WINXP WILL GIVE YOU LESS CRASHES AND TEH GAME WILL RUN BETTAR!!W@!@!
How about...i get just as many crashes, the game runs exactly the same....the only difference i see is a bunch of cpu cycles and ram space being thrown out the window to run this piece of shit. Nuff said bye bye xp.
play around with it before you go. like I said, I've got a tweaked version that takes up 50MB of ram upon startup and benches like a motherfucker compared to a stock install
Originally posted by Samhain
play around with it before you go. like I said, I've got a tweaked version that takes up 50MB of ram upon startup and benches like a motherfucker compared to a stock install
Ive tried alot of things. Seems to always take more system resources then 2k did.
That being said, I also have a bunch of small problems...sound card problems when running TS/winamp at the same time, duplicate items haunting me in my multiple toolbars, explorer seems to perform somewhat slower then in 2k...all these little annoyances...and I think what is XP giving me that 2k doesn't? Nothing...nothing at all. If games in fact DID run better in XP, then I would live with it...but tbh a properly setup 2k machine runs games just as well as XP does.
TBH my windows machine (gaming machine) isn't exactly the fastest PC money can buy...1.4ghz 512megs 333 ram 5400 rpm drive :rolleseyes:
and...how can i put this...i relate my gaming pc to a 4 cylinder engine...can be very quick if tuned properly, in a small/light body..... but when I installed XP i put my 4 cylinder engine into the hood of a mac truck...
DigestiveBiscui
16-01-04, 12:04
bring back win 98 :p
Do you have a modem you can use to attempt a dial up?
Does BT yahoo or whatever you use let you dial up instead of ADSL should the connection go down or whatever?
If you can, it will be worth trying to dial out to see if that fixes your problems. If you can dial up for free and it works then at least you have an alternative to the crashing, even if your ping time is increased.
One of my mates has ADSL, and I think his machine connects to a router or something provided by his ISP. It could be that that piece of hardware is maybe acting as a firewall or it's not compatible with neocron (like the s/w wingate 4 wasnt for me). Maybe it's possible to do a firmware update on it, or at least configure it.
I *think* that part of the neocron client acts as a server, and the neocron servers request information from the client's server part - it may be possible that your provider does not allow game servers to be run on their network, or has at least configured your connection in such a way that it cannot be done, and that may be the problem. It may be different now, but I do remember at least the early UK broadband providers not allowing their customers to do this, and neocron software is effectively requiring you to be able to do it.
I've been crashing less and less lately, the servers seem more stable and I'm getting so I notice sync lag or crashes, before they happens so often I just tuned them out to stop me pulling my hair out.
I have a fully updated version of xp pro with SP1 & DX 9b & latest radeon cat drivers :)
Originally posted by DigestiveBiscui
1. login, go to citycom - crash
2. login stuck on sync screen
3. login with 0 SL 0 cash and no weapons
4. login with sync screen
5. login crash
6. login go to citycom and crash
7. login, zone, crash
im not gonna go on and have a big yell, because ive said it enough times and they dont listen - dont say they do, because its been like this for ages (year maybe?) and they....dont, the whole citycom situation has got worse recently
re-installing doesnt help, so dont say that, because i've tried it along with others, and it fixes nothing.
all i can see for neocron in the future is DOY - FILLED with more bugs because it hasnt been tested correctly or anything like that, more crashes, bollocks fps and even though some of the changes look fucking great, i doubt half the people will be able to use them due to crashing, syncs, turd fps...and so on
NC doesnt crash that often, and the perma synch isnt game related, its to do with ur connection....if i quickly log another account on my bros pc with aol broadband, i can pretty much gurantee im gunna go into a perma synch with 0/2 stats/hp....however, if i do the same thing on my pc with freeserve broadband it never happens...thats that solved, get a new connection :p
the crashing isnt all down to nc either, its comes down to ur pc...since i upgraded to a better cpu and motherboard i dont crash half as much as i used to, as my fps's are a hell of alot higher and u know when ur gunna crash, it will kinda judder about 3 times then go 'crank' and fatal, which while its doing that, ur fps's drop alot, so imo its the fps's that make u crasho_O
QuantumDelta
16-01-04, 14:35
Samhaim;
I wont flame.
Or anything else.
Generally speaking I treat my system(s) much like g0rts comments make me think he treats his.
It's why I still run 98se.
There was a point, last year, during my summer break, where I logged well over 96 hours a week on Cron.
Typically, I'd measure my crashes on a monthly basis.
Even back then during THAT kind of usage, my system worked perfectly, with several background applications (none of which were allowed to conflict), I would crash MAYBE once a week.
*shrug*
I love Computing in Real Time Systems LOL
i get it a-lot....
meh
Athlon xp 1800+
ASUS A7v333 mobo
528mb ddr ram
GeForce 4 ti 4800 (all settings set like)
80gb Western Dig cav
600k ntl con
Running with nothing in the background is the same aws with everything in the background *shrugs*
Originally posted by alig
the crashing isnt all down to nc either, its comes down to ur pc...since i upgraded to a better cpu and motherboard i dont crash half as much as i used to, as my fps's are a hell of alot higher and u know when ur gunna crash, it will kinda judder about 3 times then go 'crank' and fatal, which while its doing that, ur fps's drop alot, so imo its the fps's that make u crasho_O
I used to crash 20+ times a day, after solving network (not hardware) issues, the crashes went down to 0 (and I think I had practically all of the bugs mentioned). I wouldnt say that was down to my PC, although I spent months believing it was :)
edit: I know it's not much help, but if I fatal these days, it's going to be when I'm playing on Saturn and not Pluto
the crashing isnt all down to nc either, its comes down to ur pc...
Ok, thats your opinion.
So back it up, answer me this...
Why can I NOT play Neocron for more then 6 hours without at LEAST one crash, yet I can play DAOC for 6 months without a SINGLE crash.
It just doesn't make sense that everything runs well on my PC.... but Neocron doesn't...thats proof enough for me that its NOT my pc.
Either way, im convinced of one thing....CRASHING in Neocron is due to LATANCY. Im 100% convinced. I never crash on the offline demo :p .
That being said, some days I will be pinging well and I will hardly crash at all! Yet some days I get poor pings, and im crashing like a motherfucker.
I think internet lag has to do with 90% of neocron's stability problems, im certainly no expert but in my humble opinion the games code has to be more forgiving toward the net connection.
Originally posted by QuantumDelta
I ran for absolutely ages (and I mean it's measurable in years) without a firewall, I'm on cable, never been hacked.
err, how do you know you're not getting hacked then??
not all hackers delete files or do shit that harms your computer, they could just use it in a simple dos attack or something, which you don't notice if you don't have a firewall or something that monitors your upload right??
edit: I crashed 2 times in the last month, both during zoning.
And citycom doesn't make me crash but my FPS just drop to 1 or something, which is about as annoying, hehe :rolleyes:
QuantumDelta
17-01-04, 00:28
If someone is going to dos you on your home PC, it doesn't matter wtf your running you wont be able to do anything about it.
You see, DoSing cannot do any form of damage, but also, is extremely difficult to stop.
It floods your connection (or ISP Local Router, or website router) with so much information that the service cannot continue running.
Denial of Service.
As for hackers - don't piss'em off, don't leave data trails in what you do, don't visit untrustworthy websites.
Common sense really, the only way you could find my IP is on something like CS by hacking the /SERVER/ not me(or Neocron's forum/etc).
And if someone was good enough to hack servers on games for IP addresses, they would most likely have larger targets than myself.
I have one of the best cable providers in north america. That makes them the king of shit, but I really don't think it's my connection. I've drawn almost a MEG (byte, not bit) a second from some servers - the only thing I can think of is due to the distance, it's more packetloss and such, which goes in hand with my theory that neocron is not a very fault tolerant program. Plus, I really doubt KK put the money towards quality servers.
The only time I have ever crashed my system is when I've got a rediculously high overclock, when I'm going as high as I can to see at what point I crash on a new voltage setting. Once I do my tests to ensure stability, stability is guarenteed and nothing has ever crashed. Windows XP has never crashed on me outside of that. I mean ever.
QuantumDelta
17-01-04, 00:44
I don't know many (I honestly can't think of one) game that jumps the transatlantic gap without something noticably wrong compared to local games ...be it MMO or otherwise.. seriously o_O
As for L3's servers being "not so great" heh.
http://www.level3.com/
Have a look around.
They're very professional imo, and fyi I typically got 25 ping on servers when there were no lag spikes (hardware problems on uranus in the past).
I live in england, there's a fair gap between me'n'the servers, so I personally think they're fine....
Especially for an MMO..
Originally posted by QuantumDelta
If someone is going to dos you on your home PC, it doesn't matter wtf your running you wont be able to do anything about it.
You see, DoSing cannot do any form of damage, but also, is extremely difficult to stop.
It floods your connection (or ISP Local Router, or website router) with so much information that the service cannot continue running.
Denial of Service.
I wasn't talking about you being attacked, but about somebody else using your computer to aid in a dos attack (and I know what a dos does, hehe)
anyway, it doesn't really matter in this topic so nevermind ;)
as for ping, mine us usually around 30, my FPS are "acceptable" and I like don't crash anymore....
dunno what's causing all you guys to crash so I'm gonna stay outta here, before whatever got to you gets to me as well and makes me crash again, eeek! :eek:
QuantumDelta
17-01-04, 00:55
While I can't catch that in the act someone would have to sneak a bot on my compie...while I don't run firewalls, it is hard to get a bot onto my compie when I make sure I always know exactly what I'm downloadin, and I regularly scan for things which shouldn't be around (with spybot/manually and another proggie I picked up..)
Without a firewall you can see quite easily if your pc is being used in some DoS attack. All you have to do, assuming you are on a network connection to the net, is set up windows with the network setting 'Show icon in notification area when connected' checked and you will see those boxes u get on a modem connection. So if you're connection is being used without you using it.. you can see it lighting up straight away, it's not too hard to work out what's going on - you can even double click that icon to see if you're sending out loads of packets.
edit: also you can use the command netstat to see what ips your connection is using should you want to find out who's hacking you :)
Decent size OP war. I was having a blast, never had so much fun in PvP because I usually get killed almost instantly. Then, fucking lag out happens while I'm actually going to get two kills. Go back in, they're gone. I run back, more people come, larger war ensues, I'm stealthing around popping out trying to ambush PPUs with my pain easer, and I decide to stealth in to the underground to see if anyones retreated down there. Of course, game FREs. I think okay, I just started stealth, I might have some time to restart and get in there to cast it again. Start the game. Stuck to sync. Exit out. Go back in, go outside, stuck to sync. Hit esc, resume, goes in, loads fine, I run to the corner, go to stealth - nothing works. Sure, I am being shot yb some guy with a gatcannon, but I'll be damned if I can even pull my own gun out and defend myself.
FIX. YOUR. PIECE. OF. SHIT. SERVERS.
This isn't a beta. People are PAYING. Yes, going overseas causes problems - but I've played on many, many servers in many, many games and I've never had this kind of bullshit.
rofl.....NOTHING ever crashes on me except Neocron...sometimes it crashes every 10 minutes, sometimes only once a day. Synch errors on logging in are common, but if I relog quickly it usually takes care of it.....sometimes have to do it twice.
It would be very nice if the fatals are taken care of...but I still prefer these bugs to what I've suffered in my last mmorpg. At least Neocron crashes nice and clean, and I can be back in the game in about 5 seconds.
If Neocron was a movie theatre...
The doors would jam all the time preventing people from getting in. You'd be promised an "action-packed comedy", but be told after paying for your ticket that you can later buy a ticket for the sequel which features the action part of it. The movie would come off the reel constantly throughout the feature and cause short (but annoying) delays inbetween just about every important scene. The theatre would only have 3 of the 6 channels from surround sound implimented (something obscure like left, rear left, and subwoofer). Making small, forseeable mistakes (like swiping your bank card with the stripe facing the wrong way) would cause mayhem and the machine would fry. You'd also have no real forwarning as to what new movies are coming out. The seats would be highly 'allergic' to certain kind of pants, despite being widely common (such as blue jeans), and sitting down in a pair of these would cause the seat to break.
update....and this is interesting. I switched my spyware scanning software from Adaware to Spybot.....spybot found somethings that adaware had been missing. Ya know what? Not ONE synch error, not ONE fatal since. (Over 24 hours now 8| )
Originally posted by alig
NC doesnt crash that often, and the perma synch isnt game related, its to do with ur connection....if i quickly log another account on my bros pc with aol broadband, i can pretty much gurantee im gunna go into a perma synch with 0/2 stats/hp....however, if i do the same thing on my pc with freeserve broadband it never happens...thats that solved, get a new connection :p
How can you say that when neocron is the only game giving you these evil synchings/crashes? The answer to synching is simple: neocron.
EDIT: btw, I have 3 different ISP's now. I had 4, none of them gave me any extra synching or less synching at all. So blaming synchs on your connection is gay.
ok......working on teh second day in a row with no crashes, and no synch.....
DigestiveBiscui
18-01-04, 19:37
and spybot can be found where? ;p
same place as google ;)
but for those too lazy to search:
http://www.safer-networking.org/
Seriously man, I was having to login like 3 times to get rid of synch bug, and fataling like 3+ times per hour. Been running SMOOTH since I ran this.
DigestiveBiscui
19-01-04, 17:00
HATE that program
dont know why, but the whole layout is horrible, cant stand it
it picked up all my microsoft updates, download accelerator etc, and was just a pain in the arse
back to adware
Originally posted by DigestiveBiscui
im a mad comptuer clean guy :p i make sure there is NOTHING that doesnt need to be running on my computer
so nah, its not really nu-needed services runnign thats fucking it up, no spyware (check it daily)
the only things i have running atm are my firewall and anti-virus, bt yahoo, IE explorer and all the needed system thingies
PC-Cillin running with the real time stuff enabled is a system hog and caused me no end of problems with neo and other games to
especiallt with win xp althought it does it with 2k :(
so i disabled all the real time stuff, the POP3 email scanning and the "run on window startup" Client, so i now use it manually for everything keeps me virus free and does not cause problems with games
DigestiveBiscui
19-01-04, 18:18
i tried doing that
but it didnt make any difference in the amount of crashes i get
yup...it picked up Download accellerator and the Media player ID on my machine too. Just added teh media player ID to the exclude list, and nuked download accelerator...never use it anyway.
THREE days without a crash...so far :D
DigestiveBiscui
02-02-04, 14:53
*sigh* still happening
sync in - stuck in sync
sync in - stuck in sync
sync in - crash
sync in - no SL and cash
sync in - can move but nothing in gogo
sync in - missing slot 1
:(
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