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Jetpacks!!!!
now the diffrence in these babies is that you have to jump to use them. so you arent flying across a sector but rather, taking say.. 3-5 jumps to get you across the sector
make jetpacks that a tank can use. requires a lot of dex and somewhat int.
beats having a vehicle that gets stuck in the mountains or flying vehicles that have like 88 vhc.
who the hell wants to specialize in driving?
perhaps they go in place of the armor slot? Also, make it so that you can shoot and jump jet pack boost.
revolutionize neocron
anyway what do you guys think?:eek: O_o :D
Originally posted by WebShock
who the hell wants to specialize in driving?
Umm... not people like you I presume :o This is like the... nah, this idea doesn't even deserve me bashing it :p
// Wannabe
Original monk
17-12-03, 13:55
hiya webshock i would like to order 2 of them jetpacks, i can see my tank flying over the mountains allready :)
think its a good idea and i think the technology to make jetpacks is allready in the game: they can use the hovering motors of drones to construct somekind of jetpack :)
altough it remind me of some other game's :)
*Warning, stupid humour ahead, warning*
They should make them methane-powered! Finally a way to relieve yourself in 'cron, and I'm sure those smelly tanks produce more then enough methane to get high up.
As an extra, it should leave behind a cloud of poison gas after lift-off, because that's what you can expect.
Originally posted by Wannabe
Umm... not people like you I presume :o This is like the... nah, this idea doesn't even deserve me bashing it :p
// Wannabe
well i suppose i owe you a thanks for not saying anything ignorant that in turn is gonna make me flame the shit out of you. im getting tired of being edited.
anyway, i see specializing in driving the equivilant to specializing in poking. you dont see any TL 200 pokers on retail do u? :lol:
anyway, i can see how that generalized so yea, i take my "who wants to be a specialized driver" comment back.
Still, jump jet packs in my opinion will revolutionalize this game and will make op fighting so interesting...
imagine someone jump jetting out and then gets fried by a holy lightning strike. :o resulting in a big crash back to earth in a smoldering mess
its the uber!
Mumblyfish
17-12-03, 14:01
Damn it, I wanted jetpacks that WON'T let you fly.
is the whole suden jet packs idea a result of reading the tribes 2 thread?
PS: i like the idea of jet pack, make em realy heavy though with upgradable fly-time
BB
Jesterthegreat
17-12-03, 14:11
Originally posted by Mumblyfish
Damn it, I wanted jetpacks that WON'T let you fly. lmfao
Originally posted by Mumblyfish
Damn it, I wanted jetpacks that WON'T let you fly.
That is some truly genius humor there mumbly.
Psyco Groupie
17-12-03, 14:27
ROFL
this is better than mc5 parts falling out your ass thread
:rolleyes:
MayhemMike
17-12-03, 14:35
O NOS IF IHAD A JET BACK I WOULD POISON PEOPLE THEN FLY EWEAAAY YA!
I guess i've been on these forums long enough or just have a
good memory because this is just one of the many ideas that
reiterate on the forums every 1-3 months. Doing a search for
jetpacks quickly yeilds many threads on jetpacks. Maybe during
one of these cycles of reiteration, KK will finally absorb the thread
contents into their brain and follow through with results :)
But, these are just the type of things that kinda go "too far" for
KK anyway and i'm sure, very sure, KK has thought of Jetpacks
even before the developement of neocron or whenever they
planned for vehicles.
Let's just hope doy incorporates jetpacks (holds breath)
FBI
Jesterthegreat
17-12-03, 14:55
aye there are always posts on jetpacks... people claiming they need brute strength to use them (meaning the thread starter is a tank and wants a new toy) etc etc... it really does get old.
personally i think its a bad idea anyway. just get bugged and appear in the sky instead!
if you read my idea, it gears towards high dex.
why do so many ppl flame without reading the thread
:rolleyes:
its geared for all classes.
if all you have is worthless criticism how about you abstain from commenting?
if you think its a bad idea just say so, and why. why is it a stupid idea?
jetpack with a PA nerf (since you cant wear the PA, the pack would go in your armor slot) and a high dex requiremwent make it something we all can use, yet it nerfs your resists and main skiill PA boost.
Originally posted by WebShock
jetpack with a PA nerf (since you cant wear the PA, the pack would go in your armor slot) and a high dex requiremwent make it something we all can use, yet it nerfs your resists and main skiill PA boost.
I think weight would effect the jetpack as well... if you had like little
transport available, you would burn more "fuel" which you have
to refil the jetpack via ASG store ;)
So balance isn't an issue, it works out nicely, no armor vest/pa
and transport free'd to maximum for further flights/less fuel burn.
(fuel also has weight :) )
It just boils down to KK, once again.... *holds breath* looks at
shooting star, makes a wish... exhales :)
FBI
Jesterthegreat
17-12-03, 15:07
Originally posted by WebShock
if you read my idea, it gears towards high dex.
why do so many ppl flame without reading the thread
read it - dont think i flamed either
:rolleyes:
its geared for all classes.
an idea that (imho) isnt good, just cos all classes have access to it doesnt make it a "must have" idea.
if all you have is worthless criticism how about you abstain from commenting?
"agree with me or shut up - i want s completely biased community opinion"
if you think its a bad idea just say so, and why. why is it a stupid idea?
i dont have to explain myself. you dont agree with me? dont take my comment onboard - however my opinion is just as valid as anyone else's whether i explain it or not.
jetpack with a PA nerf (since you cant wear the PA, the pack would go in your armor slot) and a high dex requiremwent make it something we all can use, yet it nerfs your resists and main skiill PA boost. "high dex req and we can all use"? so a Psi caps at 35, he can use with its high dex req? im sorry, but all i see this being used for is to exploit / gain an unfair advantage. jump to inaccessable areas, jump to areas that were never meant to be reached. "oh look a melee tank!" *jumps across the building* "haha catch me now" *watches the melee tank changing armour" O_o
YAY \o/ From a futuristc cyberpunk world set thousands of years in the future, back to Jet Set Willy on the Spectrum :D
:rolleyes:
worthless criticism is a comment like "it's a stupid idea".
why? if you are looking to argue, talk to me im PM, ill start a flame thread so big you will have to go beg nidhogg to hammer me. it being an idea thread, post why you disagree, so yea i want you to explain yourself. its a brainport idea, not a chance for you to vent your teenage frustration on.
i love it when people dissect everything you say. can anyone start a discussion on this forum without turning a decent idea into a pissing contest?
/edit
furthermore, dont want someone to poison you and jump away, carry a anti-air vehicle launcher
kthnx
quit worrying about exploits and let the devs worry about that. tell me why you dont like the idea. new content = fun
btw, i love the whole weight= transport idea.
Jesterthegreat
17-12-03, 15:23
Originally posted by WebShock
:rolleyes:
worthless criticism is a comment like "it's a stupid idea""personally i think its a bad idea anyway" didnt call it stupid... i dont like it. i dont need to explain myself. i assume this post was to see the communities opinion on it? if people have suggestions, but no one likes the idea anyway, the suggestions are useless. a good idea that nobody wants is just as worthless as a bad idea. i was merely stating my opinion as an member of the community - just as you are.
why? if you lare ooking to argue talk to me im PM, ill start a flame thread so big you will have to go beg nidhogg to hammer me. it being an idea thread, post why you disagree, so yea i want you to explain yourself. its a brainport idea, not a chance for you to vent your teenage frustration on.
no. i am not looking to argue. i just posted my opinion and got a long post in return. so i tried to reply to all of your points.
i love it when people dissect everything you say. can anyone start a discussion on this forum without turning a decent idea into a pissing contest?
sure its annoying - but its the best way to make it easy to read what is refering to what point (and stop me from missing parts) where did i start a pissing contest? where did i say "OMG! you idea is teh sux0r!!1! ME > YOU!1!!1! you are a [insert homophobic / racist flame here]"? i believe i said i didnt like it, and pointed out the fact that this idea is constantly here, many people suggest it.
Junkie
:edit:
i cannot worry about exploits? i suppose i should ignore them? not care? i believe when thinking of new things to put ingame (which is what you are doing) you must look at the missuse as well as the use.
and about the anti-air thing, isnt that tank only? isnt the anti vehical thing tank only (and by that i mean HC)? if so what is my spy gonna do? this isnt a bitch or a "nerf tanks!" comment - its an observation
also, just like vhc brain imps, a psi can raise his dex significantly with imps.
again this pack is for travel and not really fight and travel, while you have the ability to fight you will be gimped to the point where it wont be the only way people fight. more of a way to shoot back in defense in case you run into a mob or a pk. and yes, its meant as a way to flee quikcly, hence escaping holy paralysis... dump ur armor and strap on the jump pack,,,
how about stealth pack jumping :eek:
the possibilities are endless.
Originally posted by Jesterthegreat
where did i say "OMG! you idea is teh sux0r!!1! ME > YOU!1!!1! you are a [insert homophobic / racist flame here]"? i believe i said i didnt like it, and pointed out the fact that this idea is constantly here, many people suggest it.
Junkie
ok cool, noted, still i would like to know why you think its a stupid idea. i mean maybe it can be fixed and tailored to what you may think is a decent idea. i mean im sure you didnt think it was a bad idea because WebShock came up with it. or as i discovered, has been thought of before.
Jesterthegreat
17-12-03, 15:44
Originally posted by Jesterthegreat
I'm sorry but all i see this being used for is to exploit / gain an unfair advantage. jump to inaccessable areas, jump to areas that were never meant to be reached. "oh look a melee tank!" *jumps across the building* "haha catch me now" *watches the melee tank changing armour" O_o [/B]
as it is veh speeds are defined by framerate more than anything else. i outrun all veh's anyway... i assume this is planned to be quicker? otherwise imo it is a waste of time for a dev to make a veh that will be outran by players, and have no weapons (and maybe a small skin built onto the model?)
model - they have delayed and delayed mech's. i think (and this is just something that i think...) that alot of the problem is the model. the animation, theoretically not too hard as its just like modding the normal player model. however to get it to react intime with the runner? we have all seen when someones PA kicks in when running - they seem to slide along the floor. having this booster strapped to your back would be hard to make look good. it will be hard to stop lag from making it appear to come off.
use - what would the major uses be? travel? as i said i outrun all veh's. make it stupidly fast? that will look stupid and be too confusing for the player most likely. all i can think of (legal actions here, no exploits) is jumping into an OP. i think this would be a good thing, although i think ladders in strategic places added to OP's would be better. possibly even a ladder as a dynamic object, so it can be stuck on anyway, but that has the same exploit problems as this IMO.
time - howmuch time would it take to:
Work out the idea, come up with Pro's / Con's
Talk to the staff, programmers, scripters - see if its possible
get a model done
get an animation done
get the model and the animation to work consistantly
get the model and the animation to work consistantly with all player models
test the jetpack thoroughly
make any improvements
decide on req's (ok this is a reletively quick stage)
make sure req's are doable for all classes (if this is the plan still)
invent a story
stick it in neocronicle (is happening with most changes nowdays) (baring in mind its shut down til the new year)
implement it
now consider how many people would use this item. traveling would be too slow, flying would be usefull, but we gotta assume that there would be a tc req at least (no low tech chars), a highish dex req should be included (you are flying, you need to be quick at reacting), a high int would be good (complecated, jet pilots ec arent usually stupid). this leaves you with spies really. spies jumping into OP's? other than ninja hacking i cant see the major addition.
Junkie
with BDOY done, i dont suppose it will take too long. I mean, for every thing you say will take time, there is a diffrent dev, IE script animator, modeler, chronicle dude. as far as requirements really thats up to the kk dev round table and tweaking on the test server.
While outrunning a vehicle is really a flaw in the game, in my opinion, i see your point. Really what my intent was a manner to travel the mountain ranges without getting your vehicle stuck in a rut or always sliding everywhere. Also to have some sort of gimped air combat, the ability to jump into OP's, hence another way around turrets.
Really all its based on is another option of travel that can be banged and shaped into something balanced. If it can be exploited, im sure it will get tweaked like everything else in the game. I really dont see why there should be so much focus thrown into a fear of exploit.
the fps to vehicle speed was fixed few patches ago. they should all travel at the same speed regardless of fps. i think that the jump pack should travel slightly faster than a hovertech, that way you can travel a sector in a few jumps. I would say fly all the way across but kk already has something like that coming. the gliders.
Originally posted by WebShock
who the hell wants to specialize in driving? Me :(
I want to run a taxi service.
I like driving. It rocks
Vampire222
17-12-03, 16:14
YES!!! YES YES YES YES!!! JETPACKS WUD OWN.... not to mention ppl fucking off from op battles using them
Jesterthegreat
17-12-03, 16:15
Originally posted by WebShock
with BDOY done, i dont suppose it will take too long. I mean, for every thing you say will take time, there is a diffrent dev, IE script animator, modeler, chronicle dude. as far as requirements really thats up to the kk dev round table and tweaking on the test server.
While outrunning a vehicle is really a flaw in the game, in my opinion, i see your point. Really what my intent was a manner to travel the mountain ranges without getting your vehicle stuck in a rut or always sliding everywhere. Also to have some sort of gimped air combat, the ability to jump into OP's, hence another way around turrets.
Really all its based on is another option of travel that can be banged and shaped into something balanced. If it can be exploited, im sure it will get tweaked like everything else in the game. I really dont see why there should be so much focus thrown into a fear of exploit.
the fps to vehicle speed was fixed few patches ago. they should all travel at the same speed regardless of fps. i think that the jump pack should travel slightly faster than a hovertech, that way you can travel a sector in a few jumps. I would say fly all the way across but kk already has something like that coming. the gliders.
the other thing - i gather these will not have any veh skill needed? as its to stop veh specialisation needed? why would anyone use current veh's when they could all use jetpacks with no gimpage? being able to jump into an OP would be good. but as i said thats the only advantage i can think of. i run everywhere anyway and mountains are not an issue for me - cant see everyone else bein too different?
no no definitly need VHC it being that its a form of transportation. I just dont think it should be at the glider level. gliders are like, 70-90 vhc level.
perhaps diffrent types of packs that have speed and height, the higher the skill, the faster and the higher the pack gets.
concentrating on just one pack, perhaps something between a hovetec (vhc 25 ) and a 4x4 reveler (vhc 37)
something definitly not as slow as the reveler. we need another vehicle with the speed of a hovertec.
Psyco Groupie
17-12-03, 16:43
for fucks sake, its a shit idea.
it would not help neocron in anyway, nor would it be available too all ... and after all there are gliders *soon (tm)* for vhc nutters who want to fly around
now shut the **** up and stop imitating heavyporker the fairy of bad ideas
Jesterthegreat
17-12-03, 16:48
Originally posted by Psyco Groupie
for fucks sake, its a shit idea.
it would not help neocron in anyway, nor would it be available too all ... and after all there are gliders *soon (tm)* for vhc nutters who want to fly around
now shut the **** up and stop imitating heavyporker the fairy of bad ideas
well if you wanna be blunt about it... what he said :lol:
however im a charming young gentleman who wouldnt dream of offending anyone
Originally posted by Psyco Groupie
for fucks sake, its a shit idea.
it would not help neocron in anyway, nor would it be available too all ... and after all there are gliders *soon (tm)* for vhc nutters who want to fly around
now shut the **** up and stop imitating heavyporker the fairy of bad ideas
huh? i dont even know who heavy porker is.
why do you think its a shit idea? because its to closely similar to a glider concept? wouldnt that have been a more apropriate response?
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