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Archeus
02-12-03, 12:00
I don't think this is the problem as I am sure I did all this and doesn't explain why it doesn't crash in fullscreen but can someone else confirm and I'll ask Zonelabs to look at it again?
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This Information Applies to

ZoneAlarm Pro ZAP
ZoneAlarm Plus ZA+

Summary

I am having a problem playing an Online Game with ZoneAlarm running.

Solution

If you are having problem getting an online game to run properly,
the first thing to do is to check the game's help files or support
site. Try searching for the word ZONEALARM, if that does not show
anything, try the word FIREWALL. Follow those instructions. For
generic firewall information, use the instructions below that apply
to the manufacturer's instructions:

1) Many games run in 'exclusive' full screen mode. This prevents
ZoneAlarm Alerts, as well as normal windows error messages, from
appearing. When you are unable to see a ZoneAlarm Alert while you
are playing a full screen game there are a few things you can do to
attempt to remedy the problem:
- Set your game to run in a window. This will allow you to see the
alert if the game is running in a resolution lower than your
desktop. If your mouse is locked to the game try pressing the
windows key, and you should be able to use the mouse to click on the
alert. Then simply reset the game to run full screen after allowing
it Internet access. Check the game documentation or support site for
information on how to run the game in a window.
- Change your rendering mode to 'Software Rendering'. This will
allow Windows to overlay the ZoneAlarm Alert on top of your game
screen. After allowing Internet access, you can change back to your
preferred rendering device. Check the game documentation or support
site for information on how to change this.
- Press Alt-Tab to toggle back into windows. This leaves the game
running, but allows you to respond to the alert. Once you have
allowed Internet access you press Alt-Tab again to restore your
game. This may cause some applications to crash, especially if you
are using Glide or OpenGL; however, the problem should be corrected
the next time you run the game. Sometimes you can use Alt-Enter in
the place of Alt-Tab.

2) Some games require that you add the manufacturer's game servers
to your Trusted Zone (by name, IP address, IP range or any
combination). You should be able to find this information in the
game documentation, or from the game manufacturer's web site. Please
do the following to add a trusted Host/Site, IP Address or IP Range
to your Trusted Zone.

- Click on Firewall -> Zones -> Add
- Select IP Address, subnet, IP range, or site. (a range cannot be
larger than a subnet)
- Under Description, enter a name or description.
- Enter the Host/Site, IP Address, subnet or Range.
- Click OK.
You should add ALL of the information as stated by the manufacturer
in order to avoid connection problems.

3) Some online games require specific ports to be opened. You can
learn more about these requirements within the documentation for
your game, or from the manufacturer's web site. Click on Firewall
->
Main -> Internet Zone -> Custom button. Scroll down to the
appropriate port type, TCP or UDP and Incoming or outgoing. Check
the box next to the appropriate port and a text box will appear
where you can enter the port number(s) below. Type the port number
or range (i.e. 6970-7070) you would like opened.

4) You can add the program before you run it. Check with the
manufacturer's support site for the name of any executable programs
that will require access. In the Programs panel, scroll down to the
white area at the bottom of the programs list. Right-click and
highlight Add Program. Browse to the directory that contains the
executable you are looking for and click Open.

You can also specify the default behavior of new applications, to
allow it access without asking (however, you should turn this back
to the default of Ask, or else Deny once you have the program listed
and configured). Go to Program Control -> Main -> Advanced
button ->
Access Permissions tab; change all settings to Accept, and click
Apply. Start the game, connect to the Internet, stay connected for
several minutes, then disconnect. Check the Program settings for the
game.

5) If you are using Voice Over IP (Dialpad, game and chat software
voice ability, etc), there are several ways you can use this feature
with ZA+/ZAP running.

- You will need to give the program access rights, and Server
rights. If you know the actual IP address of the person or system
that you will be talking to, you can try adding that IP address to
your Trusted Zone, and then the program will only require those
rights for Trusted Zone. Otherwise you will need to open ports in
the firewall to accept incoming requests.

NOTE - If you plan to host your own game, the information in 5)
above will also work.

In some cases you may need to drop the Internet Zone to Medium while
playing. Setting the Internet security level to medium does not
leave you unprotected, as ZoneAlarm, in addition to its firewall
capabilities, provides protection against hackers through its unique
application control feature. Our product only allows applications
the user specifically approves to communicate through the Internet.
Our two measures of security taken together provide the utmost
protection for our users.

Additional keywords
Appli73, pogo, Unreal Tournament, Asheron's Call 2, AC2, Soldier of
Fortune, Scrabble, MSN Game Zone

NOTE - Links to sites other than zonelabs.com are provided for the
convenience of our users. Zone Labs does not provide, and is not
responsible for, the content users may find on such sites.

garyu69
02-12-03, 12:11
Neocron for some reason refuses to run in Full screen mode since Zone Alarm released their new version.

I have been running in Window mode for the past two weeks now :(

Last i heard from Nid was tehy were looking into it.

CoDi
02-12-03, 16:09
* doesn't explain why it doesn't crash in fullscreen

Does crash or does not crash? :)

* Many games run in 'exclusive' full screen mode. This prevents ZoneAlarm Alerts, as well as normal windows error messages, from appearing

There are no hidden alert windows. At the moment, I have no idea why it works in windowed, but fails in fullscreen mode.

* Some games require that you add the manufacturer's game servers to your Trusted Zone
* You can add the program before you run it
* You can specify the default behavior of new applications
* you may need to drop the Internet Zone to Medium while playing

Tried them all, does not work. Even disabling the firewall does not work. As long as ZoneAlarm is running, no matter what options are enabled or disabled, Neocron freezes as soon as the client tries to open a connection to the server.

* Some online games require specific ports to be opened

Not possible with the free version of ZA, or I'm just too stupid to find the matching options.

If you use the PRO version, you may try to open the ports listed here (http://www.neocron.com/index.php?name=NeoContent&op=modload&file=index&pageID=36).

Jesterthegreat
02-12-03, 16:11
your wish has been granted!


bwahahahaha


*thinks about all the things he wants to ask CoDi*

:lol:

garyu69
02-12-03, 16:20
Originally posted by CoDi
Tried them all, does not work. Even disabling the firewall does not work. As long as ZoneAlarm is running, no matter what options are enabled or disabled, Neocron freezes as soon as the client tries to open a connection to the server. If you shutdown ZoneAlarm you can connect in fullscreen mode no problem. I just don't fancy being unprotected :-\

Is there any indication if this is being worked on?

]v[ortice
02-12-03, 16:23
If ever there was a doubt that KK "cares", then this thread does everything to dispell that theory once and for all.

Hows u CoDi?

Hope everythings going cool bro ;-)



PS: If you're running Windows XP, use the windows firewall. Some may scoff, but Microsoft have taken to releasing weekly security updates of late.

The message is: "keep up to date, stay safe :)"

I've never had a problem myself.

shend
02-12-03, 16:34
zone alarm and neocron don't mix
i've experienced that firsthand and believe me, it can drive one mad
my advice is to get a different firewall.
free ones are easy to find and the reality is, most of them are better than zone alarm (sorry guys but its the truth)
i cleared zone alarm completely from my system, installed a different one (can't remember and i'm at work now so i can't check
:o ) and neocron runs as smooth as can be...

Archeus
02-12-03, 16:43
ZA Pro is a good product (can't vouch for the free one but you get what you pay for I guess).

Sent a reply to zonelabs for more help.


installed a different one (can't remember and i'm at work now so i can't check

Can't be that good of a product if you can't remember its name.

CoDi
02-12-03, 17:22
The ZoneLabs user forum is full of complaints about the new version not working with online games in fullscreen mode.

Unfortunately, I could not find any official responses, just some long-time forum gurus stating "they are working on it" (deja'vu, anyone? :D ).

Anyway, I've tracked down the problem to the "connect()" function call, a Windows Socket API function used to build the TCP/IP connection to our login server (62.140.29.54, port 7000). The function call simply does not return. Why? I don't know. Based on the Microsoft documentation, it *should* return almost instantly, even if it takes some time to open the connection.

:confused:

Archeus, is there any contact address I may use to reach someone.. err.. responsible?

Archeus
02-12-03, 17:58
I am just going through support@zonelabs.com. I have 4 purchased copies of ZAP so it entitles me 'priority 1' support.

I'll check the mail and PM you a name if one exists. *edit* Sent.

Jaenus
02-12-03, 21:35
If this is because of the most recent update to ZA then I'm glad I forgot to install it.

I'm not sure if it's related but if I leave my machine semi-idle for a while then ZA just stops allowing connections all together. I end up having to restart it to make anything work o_O

Problems problems problems...

Archeus
02-12-03, 22:08
Go into the device settings for your network card.

W2k, Right click my computer select manage. Select Device Manager branch of the tree and then select your network card and view the properties.

Go to the power management tab if there is one (otherwise ignore this) and make sure the option "Allow computer to turn off this device to save power" is checked off.

Other then that, never heard of anything else that would cause the problem (except your ISP or router booting you for idle time). I am assuming your using cable.

Jaenus
03-12-03, 00:46
Originally posted by Archeus
Other then that, never heard of anything else that would cause the problem (except your ISP or router booting you for idle time). I am assuming your using cable.

I'm using DSL via an encrypted, mac filtered wireless router. I thought it was from the encryption key rotating at first, but soon realised otherwise.

Thanks for the advice, I'll give that a try when I get back tonight.

Pi-Oh-Pah
03-12-03, 01:12
Originally posted by garyu69
If you shutdown ZoneAlarm you can connect in fullscreen mode no problem. I just don't fancy being unprotected :-\

Is there any indication if this is being worked on?

Ive never had any problems with ZA (free version) just add Neocron th the trusted programs and your sorted

greploco
03-12-03, 02:46
>> zone alarm and neocron don't mix

no, ZA has been great, it's very very good

but it sounds like there is a problem, these things happen, and then they are fixed

thank you for reporting it, guess I won't be upgrading to the new version of ZA until they fix it

so there is a problem, does anyone know exactly what "it" is ?

Spikadelia
03-12-03, 02:55
Okay good to see the commmunity and CODI are on to this....

I updated ZAPro two days ago, encountered the NC freeze, re-installed hoping to get ZAP to recognise NC but to no avail.

Went back to my previous ZAP state which re-enabled serene protected gaming...... only concern is what the update was about.

Hmmmmm? Over to the bits and bytes boffins o_O

Archeus
06-12-03, 12:06
Yep.. here is what I got from Support...

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This applies to

All ZoneAlarm Products 4.5

Summary

My game or program will no longer connect, or hangs, when I have
version 4.5

Solution

Thank you for your feedback regarding games/programs no longer
connecting under version 4.5 (but work properly in earlier
versions).

This has been reproduced at Zone Labs, and the developers are
investigating. It should be fixed in the next release (no set date
but should be this month). Meanwhile the only workaround is to use
the previous 4.0 version that worked for you.

Additional keywords
games, 4.5, hang, freeze, connection, ts241126

NOTE - Links to sites other than zonelabs.com are provided for the
convenience of our users. Zone Labs does not provide, and is not
responsible for, the content users may find on such sites.

Freaky Deaky
06-12-03, 15:58
i suggested it already in the p2phelp forum...

i experienced the same probs with the new version of ZA.

i solved the problem---i deinstalled it and downloaded the kerio firewall

i remembered some good tests about kerio.
it`s free too.

there is a new version which looks nice.

perhaps you wanna give it a try too.

check www.kerio.com


over and out