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So often have I seen pvp bitchers on the board cry about pks and get shit like SL put in then latter on down the road. After they have done everything capped the chars, done the mobs, got the items there is im bored I quit.
Seriously this game has piss poor content yet top notch pvp, the problem is its has to notch SL loss top go with the pvp.
So why build this game for the EQ RP type that can only be interseted with this game for so long. Cause take a look at the quests, mobs and items for EQ and daoc then look at neo's content.
This game mechanics is 100% pvp geared. Yet the rulesets are 80% EQ wich has no pvp.
This game needs to pick a path go no pvp anywhere except in the OP zones and then spend your time on content and quest and fuel those EQ player who want to fight in the future.
Or make it full PvP with nill safety BS and have the battles everywhere and total madness.
You have
EQ - Daoc - made of pure content
Neocron - No real content - No real pvp
SB - full fledged pvp
Its true.
People come on here, bitch and squack about PKs, carebear the game to hell....then say they are bored and quit.
Why?
This game isn't about content....its about PvP. Theres games out there with 500 times the content...and by content i mean races, classes, quests to do, items to obtain, monsters to fight...I mean look at EQ it caters to content...it has more content then any other game I have EVER played, you could play that game for 10 years and still not have everything you want.
Neocron doesn't have this type of content, but what it does have is SKILLED PVP...its the only one that has SKILLED PVP thats a little more then the usual click on the target and everything else flies in his/her direction. This games about pvp, but its so tough to pvp these days because of all the carebear elements...soullight, safezones, belt drops, etc.
We can't listen to the carebears, they will just get bored a few months after they start and go onto something new, leaving the pvpers with a game thats so pansy its not even funny.
:mad:
Soul Light has little to do with "ruining" the Neocron game experience. The main reason for soul light was to prevent people getting killed in leveling zones. As a TG I did multiple pk runs and never lost soul light a single time. We would go to CRP, Gabanium, MB, etc and never lose soul light. So please don't start this "the whiners ruined the game" shit because now "we have soul light and I can't kill noobs leveling in the sewers at the rate I want to."
The main hinderence to the soul light system I see is the lack of clan wars. After all some times there are reasons to fight an allied or nuetral clan. Part of this game is politics. There is much more to the game than just killing whoever the hell you want at any time without consequence.
I'll be the first to say the soul light system needs a serious overhaul but never have I once thought "stupid SL ruins PvP." Don't come here whining about that you think the carebears ruined the game for you. It gets old. There are more ways to play this game that how YOU like to play it. I have said it many times before. If you are playing Neocron solely for the PvP then maybe you should look into Planetside. Also if you are playing Neocron and hate PvP and have no desire to do it at all, then maybe you should look into Anarchy Online. The beauty of Neocron is that it allows both PvP AND roleplay. Taking one without the other just makes the game suck.
i would have to say shadowbane would be good if it had neocrons interface and combat so if neocron had the rules of shadowbane would be really good *cough*neptune with no carebear rules anytime soonthx*cough*
Jest, you are smarter then that.
SL ruins pvp. Plain and simple.
I go to CRP, find a few TTs in the chaos caves, kill them....now i have -30 sl. So now I can do 2 hours of missions to rectify that EXHILERATING 2 minutes of pvp.
It ruins it, 100%.
Shadowbane is a hardcore pvp game, you can kill anyone, anywhere, anytime....with the exception of a small noobie area. Unfortunately, SB is your standard noskill pvp...click on the guy you want to attack, and until he logs all your spells auto-track the guy. Not fun. As for planetside, you don't build your character. Its just another FPS like cs or any of that disposable bullshit. Fuck that, I want to build a char and pimp him out, then kick peoples ass with him.
Neocron is PvP geared, and its a game. You want politics? Go here. (http://www.cnn.com)
Originally posted by Jest
I'll be the first to say the soul light system needs a serious overhaul but never have I once thought "stupid SL ruins PvP." Don't come here whining about that you think the carebears ruined the game for you. It gets old. There are more ways to play this game that how YOU like to play it. I have said it many times before. If you are playing Neocron solely for the PvP then maybe you should look into Planetside. Also if you are playing Neocron and hate PvP and have no desire to do it at all, then maybe you should look into Anarchy Online. The beauty of Neocron is that it allows both PvP AND roleplay. Taking one without the other just makes the game suck.
I have lost SL from fighting off Merc's in MC5 and had to either leave or go red cause they dont stop coming.
Fighting BD in pepper I have killed one and then had a CS rez them then if you touch the rezer good bye SL.
Some dum nibs gets in your AE good bye SL.
Some nuetral attacks you its defend take SL or die.
PvP is the red houses in UO.
PvP is ambushing a hunt team in the swamps of SB and having a clan respond with the lvlers you ganked. No worrying about who is neutral or green.
UO - Red or Blue
SB your team and thats it
I have taked with some of the guys on Seige and SB about NC they think the pvp system is great but think the SL system is the biggest joke on the planet.
Originally posted by g0rt
Jest, you are smarter then that.
SL ruins pvp. Plain and simple.
I go to CRP, find a few TTs in the chaos caves, kill them....now i have -30 sl. So now I can do 2 hours of missions to rectify that EXHILERATING 2 minutes of pvp.
It ruins it, 100%.
Shadowbane is a hardcore pvp game, you can kill anyone, anywhere, anytime....with the exception of a small noobie area. Unfortunately, SB is your standard noskill pvp...click on the guy you want to attack, and until he logs all your spells auto-track the guy. Not fun.
Neocron is PvP geared, and its a game. You want politics? Go here. (http://www.cnn.com) Firstly, Ive killed many people in the Chaos Caves. I dont think I would ever call it PvP. Shooting some one in the back and killing them before they realize you are there is not PvP. That would be the infamous 'gank.' (Of which I do in Tangent HQ as often as I can ;) ) If you want to say "Soul light ruins my ganking sessions in the Chaos Caves" then hey, I'll give a hardy thumbs up as say hellz yes. Or even just say "the Chaos Caves being labeled a hunting zone ruins my PvP."
Oh and personally I prefer this (http://www.bbc.co.uk/) for my politics. Seriously man, if you are playing this game to only gank people at the Chaos Caves then why are you playing this game at all?
And as I said in my first post I still think the SL system needs an overhaul. Personally I think safezones should be taken out, Copbots should shoot CA enemies on sight, clan wars should be put in, and soul light should only effect your drops. I like that there are consequences to both killing newbs and going outside of your factions ally/war system. Though Kimmy Id agree with you that the allied PPU problem needs to be dealt with. Im FA and Ive had TG PPUs helping my enemies fairly often. That certainly does piss me off so I can agree with you there. I think thats the only valid complaint of the soul light system that I see.
Originally posted by Jest
Firstly, Ive killed many people in the Chaos Caves. I dont think I would ever call it PvP. Shooting some one in the back and killing them before they realize you are there is not PvP. That would be the infamous 'gank.' (Of which I do in Tangent HQ as often as I can ;) ) If you want to say "Soul light ruins my ganking sessions in the Chaos Caves" then hey, I'll give a hardy thumbs up as say hellz yes. Or even just say "the Chaos Caves being labeled a hunting zone ruins my PvP."
Oh and personally I prefer this (http://www.bbc.co.uk/) for my politics. Seriously man, if you are playing this game to only gank people at the Chaos Caves then why are you playing this game at all?
And as I said in my first post I still think the SL system needs an overhaul. Personally I think safezones should be taken out, Copbots should shoot CA enemies on sight, clan wars should be put in, and soul light should only effect your drops. I like that there are consequences to both killing newbs and going outside of your factions ally/war system. Though Kimmy Id agree with you that the allied PPU problem needs to be dealt with. Im FA and Ive had TG PPUs helping my enemies fairly often. That certainly does piss me off so I can agree with you there. I think thats the only valid complaint of the soul light system that I see.
The Tangent's saw me coming, and went into the cave...they knew I was coming and I had a good fight. They were in TG territory, they knew they shouldn't have been there, and I was punished by 2 hours of missions for clearing out a TG enemy from TG territory.
You tell me how SL helped me, and ill believe you.
Another event....im standing in PP1, and I get attacked by an allied faction member. Of course, I defend myself and kill him. Now I lost soullight so I can go do missions.
Its not fun. I spend more time doing missions in this game then I do actually playing, it ruins the game and its gotta go.
Cruzbroker
11-11-03, 22:23
fix neofrag
those who whine about pk, use le, or deal with it o_O
Originally posted by Cruzbroker
fix neofrag
those who whine about pk, use le, or deal with it o_O
Ya honestly, the LE is there for people that want to level without worry...so why is SL here?
SL is to seperate the men from the boys.
Real PK'ers wouldn't worry about loosing items when they die. Because they would have the balls to fight with the limit put on them.
Although if you are that worried just go PK in warzones.
I find the hunt zones to be too "carebearish". Anything higher level than the sewers should NOT be hunt zones. Yes, I am a rank 50'ish LE wearing sissy! :D
Bring your mates for backup or wear your LE until you're strong enough to take care of yourself. No one is forcing you to take out your LE. If being in a clan is so important to you, bring them along.
Let the PK'rs have some fun.
Let people defend their home turf without repercussions (maybe no SL lose if you kill in certain zones belonging to your faction).
Just my thoughts...
Cruzbroker
11-11-03, 22:57
You should PK at warzone if you don't want to lose SL..
Those Pkers who worry about SL are like LE users ;) jk..
if you want good PvP, it's warzone op fights/duels or neofrag (which need fixing etc.), PK is different..
Jest, all of your points are valid, but there are too many bugs in the SL system atm.
SL ruins pvp. Plain and simple.
no, SL ruins ganking in hunting zones. there are chickens who will do anything to evade a fight, so they zone into a hunting zone. you make a choice when you go into chaos caves to kill someone, you know you are going to lose SL.
Mumblyfish
11-11-03, 23:07
Believe it or not, PvP is NOT the only thing this game has going for it. And as far as non-PvP based content goes, there's enough to keep me happy. Getting my hybrid capped, juggling the stats, finding my own rares, taking part in the lucrative tech trading market, getting the Paladin, exploring every inch of the wasteland, fighting every monster, collecting every junk, getting to know every faction, learning more about the storyline, socialising, tradeskilling... hell, I haven't even started yet.
Personally, I find PvM to be the game's strongest asset, yet it's undermarketed. What is there to do in PvP? Take an op, shoot people. Well... if that's your idea of fun...
Originally posted by Mumblyfish
Believe it or not, PvP is NOT the only thing this game has going for it. And as far as non-PvP based content goes, there's enough to keep me happy. Getting my hybrid capped, juggling the stats, finding my own rares, taking part in the lucrative tech trading market, getting the Paladin, exploring every inch of the wasteland, fighting every monster, collecting every junk, getting to know every faction, learning more about the storyline, socialising, tradeskilling... hell, I haven't even started yet.
Personally, I find PvM to be the game's strongest asset, yet it's undermarketed. What is there to do in PvP? Take an op, shoot people. Well... if that's your idea of fun... PvM is fun to an extent but I think PvP is what sets Neocron apart. I'm reluctant to play any turn based MMOs after Ive played Cron. Though I wouldnt play Neocron if it didnt also have the things you mentioned.
And its obvious that there are some valid points about the current SL system which is why it needs to be looked at. Leveling zones for newbs need to stay just that. (And yes any zone where people who are level 30+ should sure as hell not be considered a leveling zone). But the whole allied faction attacking me is a good point. Personally I think that there should be a quasi aggro system put in. Similiar to UO to any one that played it. When you attacked some one unprovoked you turned gray. While you were gray you could be killed by a person without penalty. It would be nice to have a system like that. If some one initiated attack and takes a certain % of my life off (no matter what faction they are ) then I could kill them without penalty.
I'm the first to agree that the SL in its current state has some serious problems but what I dont like is the typical attitude that the infamous 'carebear' is some how ruining the game for every one when they are not. The carebear is a myth that doesnt exist. :mad: ;)
Originally posted by Furion
Jest, all of your points are valid, but there are too many bugs in the SL system atm.
no, SL ruins ganking in hunting zones. there are chickens who will do anything to evade a fight, so they zone into a hunting zone. you make a choice when you go into chaos caves to kill someone, you know you are going to lose SL.
No. You are wrong.
SL has ruined so much fun for me in this game its unbelievable. I constantly lose SL when I shouldnt.
Examples
- removing pro-ca factions from tg territory including tg caves
- fighting clans im at WAR with for fucks sake in pp1 because htey are neutral
- a resser thats allied to me starts ressing my enemy, I have to take SL to kill him
- a player thats allied to me is teamed with an enemy and attacks with him, I have to take SL to kill him
Also, it doesnt protect you from shit, everyone still PKs in hunt zones....they just do missions after. It doesnt stop anything, it just wastes peoples time.
My bro just walked by, who used to play Neocron....said this exactly to me when he saw me on this forum:
Why are you still wasting ur time with that shit game?
And hes right. The game is shit right now, and it has the potential to be good. It has the potential to have more then 300 people on the biggest server at prime time. It has POTENTIAL. Can you carebears and crybabys not let it grow? Because making this game boring for everyone by adding carebear crap like SL is not helping the population at all.
This game should be #1. But it never will be with you carebears calling the shots.
Originally posted by Archeus
SL is to seperate the men from the boys.
Real PK'ers wouldn't worry about loosing items when they die. Because they would have the balls to fight with the limit put on them.
Your an idiot plain and simple. I really kind stand statments like this flying from some LE'er thats gonna get bored and quite
What group of real pvpers will every enjoy this system.
Go to any pvp game out there and tell them about the SL system and see what they think about.
Real pvp worlds.
SB or seige perilous of UO or any other game where its all out. You get your low hazing period to start out then your tossed into the fray. Anyone I have every talked in these games about neo system thinks its fucked.
You think pvm is good in this game yea its a thrill at the ease solo almost everything and if its really hard you only need 2 people to do it. And what do u get apartments full of the same shit real fun.
Originally posted by KimmyG
Anyone I have every talked in these games about neo system thinks its fucked.
Its a shame. Talking about Neocron anywhere other then on this board you will only get responses like:
1. that game is shit
2. neocron sucks
3. worst game ever
4. etc
The game is sitting right in between what people want. Some people want an EQ style game full of content and very little pvp. Others want a SB style game full of pvp, because thats whats fun.
RP/CONTENT/NOPVP - EQ
NEOCRON - HALF ASSED CONTENT, HALF ASSED PVP - no one likes it
PVP/SMALL CONTENT/FUN RULESETS SO YOU CAN PVP WITHOUT DOING MISSIONS FOR 3 HOURS AFTER - SB
All I want is for Neocron to be a popular, fun game that everyone can play. Right now its boring to play...the content is limited, and the pvp is even more limited thanks to the carebears demanding SL changes and other pussy crap EVEN THOUGH theres LEs in the game for them. :confused: WTF?
Until this game makes changes were never gonna see more then a few hundred people on each server.
Oh ya and Mumblyfish - if its PvM you're after, why are you wasting your 10$/month? Why are you wasting the worlds bandwidth? Theres PLENTY of single player games out there that you can PvM in all day and all night without bothering anyone and without paying for it! You should try it sometime.
Mumblyfish
12-11-03, 01:48
Originally posted by g0rt
Oh ya and Mumblyfish - if its PvM you're after, why are you wasting your 10$/month? Why are you wasting the worlds bandwidth? Theres PLENTY of single player games out there that you can PvM in all day and all night without bothering anyone and without paying for it! You should try it sometime.
Because it's not the same. I mean really... in a single player game, you don't get a player-run market, or other people to team up with, or the ability to roleplay.
Just because I'd rather kill a mob than a player doesn't mean I don't like the other players being there.
And your LE argument is poor at best. Yes, the LE is there. Yes, people like me use it. But many can't because it takes a valuable implant slot.
Originally posted by Mumblyfish
And your LE argument is poor at best. Yes, the LE is there. Yes, people like me use it. But many can't because it takes a valuable implant slot.
Thats just the next excuse on the list. They could make it a flag and take no slot and it really wouldn't make a differnece.
The only reason to play online is to go up against something better than dumass AI. Fight some human intel.
Go play diablo single player you can pretend that the npcs are players and you can even team up with some mercs there if your a good at RP, just pretend the NPC's are real.
Mumblyfish
12-11-03, 01:59
Originally posted by KimmyG
Go play diablo single player you can pretend that the npcs are players and you can even team up with some mercs there if your a good at RP, just pretend the NPC's are real.
But can I have a real conversation with the NPCs? Can I become friends with the NPCs? You just don't realise that it isn't the same.
Look, nobody's opinion here is wrong. You want a "hardcore" game where the sole objective is to kill other players... that's fine. I want a game where I can buddy up with a few clanmates and go find some rare loot, or further enhance my character.
Who's to say we can't have the best of both worlds?
Originally posted by Mumblyfish
Who's to say we can't have the best of both worlds?
YOu cant if you could im sure it would have been brought into exsistance in UO or EQ by now. One way or the other not both.
Plus I just cant see why someone like you would want to play here? Like why not play daoc or EQ if yea want team work RP and rares?
Personally Kimmy and g0rt I think people with attitudes like yours are ruining this game far more than the supposed whining of the carebear masses. :mad: The problem is not that you play Neocron solely for PvP, the problem is that you think every one else should play the game your way and your way alone. And if people don't conform to your way of playing you write them off as a carebear that is ruining the game for you.
Originally posted by Jest
Soul Light has little to do with "ruining" the Neocron game experience. The main reason for soul light was to prevent people getting killed in leveling zones. As a TG I did multiple pk runs and never lost soul light a single time. We would go to CRP, Gabanium, MB, etc and never lose soul light. So please don't start this "the whiners ruined the game" shit because now "we have soul light and I can't kill noobs leveling in the sewers at the rate I want to."
The main hinderence to the soul light system I see is the lack of clan wars. After all some times there are reasons to fight an allied or nuetral clan. Part of this game is politics. There is much more to the game than just killing whoever the hell you want at any time without consequence.
I'll be the first to say the soul light system needs a serious overhaul but never have I once thought "stupid SL ruins PvP." Don't come here whining about that you think the carebears ruined the game for you. It gets old. There are more ways to play this game that how YOU like to play it. I have said it many times before. If you are playing Neocron solely for the PvP then maybe you should look into Planetside. Also if you are playing Neocron and hate PvP and have no desire to do it at all, then maybe you should look into Anarchy Online. The beauty of Neocron is that it allows both PvP AND roleplay. Taking one without the other just makes the game suck.
the only thing that needs doing imo is clan wars fixing so that the clan your at war with whether enemy, neutral or allied gives no SL when killed, but keep the faction sympathy loss assosiated with allied and neutral killing.
Originally posted by Jest
Personally Kimmy and g0rt I think people with attitudes like yours are ruining this game far more than the supposed whining of the carebear masses. :mad: The problem is not that you play Neocron solely for PvP, the problem is that you think every one else should play the game your way and your way alone. And if people don't conform to your way of playing you write them off as a carebear that is ruining the game for you.
Yes this is a PvP game and I dont see why it should have its handicaps.
Lets say DoY is the savior and brings in the masses.
People from EQ and Daoc will come in play for a month cap out a char do the epic get the rares. Then go fuck this I have done it all this content blows ill go back to fighting stuff that takes 100 people 2 hours to kill and has mass items and hundreds of quests and epics that take whole clans to do.
Brings in the PvPers they will play for a bit then think WTF is this that guy is interfering in my fight and I cant touch him or I will lose SL
That guy just attacked I can die or take an SL hit.
Im lvling or farming here I can fight them off or take SL or sit back and die.
I have to say I agree with Jest. As much as I enjoy PvP, and as much as I hate the 5 drops with red SL, there is a lot more to this game than ganking and PvP, and there are other players who want more than just mindless killing out of the game. That doesn't mean they are completely against PvP, or that they only advocate PvP at OP wars, and it also doesn't mean the game shouldn't cater for them. Also I doubt you could persuade KK to drop their RP work on epic run storylines, FCs, and PA runs just because you don't think it's worth it.
Originally posted by Jest
Personally Kimmy and g0rt I think people with attitudes like yours are ruining this game far more than the supposed whining of the carebear masses. :mad: The problem is not that you play Neocron solely for PvP, the problem is that you think every one else should play the game your way and your way alone. And if people don't conform to your way of playing you write them off as a carebear that is ruining the game for you.
Look, theres 800 people playing Neocron. KK is doign something wrong. Let me check on some other games populations atm...
DAOC: 54,776 players
EQ: God knows, probably double DAOC
UO: Also doesn't show online, but a hell of alot more then Neocron and this is a fucking 7 year old game almost.
The list continues...yes even shadowbane has roughly 5 times more people playing then Neocron.
Why are these games so much more successfull then Neocron? Ill tell you why...they cater to specific people.
SB - full pvp, if you dont like pvp you should NEVER play this game, you can get smoked in the back with a fresh noob char by a capped char and that capped char does NOT get punished for it at all, its a hardcore game for people with balls, unfortunately the pvp is not skill based
EQ - full content, WITH FUCKING PVP SERVERS for people who want them....no rules, no blockings, no bullshit....the hardcore players are not in the jumble with the normal players. again, this game is noskill pvp and sucks due to it.
DAOC - full content, again WITH PVP SERVERS! and I mean HARDCORE PVP SERVERS. you will see more people die in your first 15 minutes playing DAOC on the pvp server then you will see in a month in Neocron, and no one bitches, no one squacks....its fun...but again, noskill pvp, a bit more skill maybe then eq but nowhere near what neocron offers
UO, same story.
Neocron is like a PE. A pe that tries to go full RIFLE and full PISTOL, and just ends up sucking dick at BOTH. Neocron tries to be the carebear friendly pvm game of happyness AND the hardcore pvp game of death, and sucks at them both. Thats why theres 800 people TOTAL playing this game right now.
So no Jest, whats happening without me and Kimmy G bitching is NOT HELPING THIS GAME.
Just because some people play only for PvM and RP and don't play for a long time does not mean they should be completely ignored. The number of people who want PvM and RP exceeds the number of people who want pure PvP. So there is a turnover, as PvM/RP players quit, new ones join.
If you make NC a pure PvP game then you'll lose a large proportion of the player base overnight. I won't quit, but that doesn't mean I think it's acceptable.
Just be patient and wait for Neptune like the rest of us. With Neptune we can make everyone happy.
Originally posted by Scikar
[BJust be patient and wait for Neptune like the rest of us. With Neptune we can make everyone happy. [/B]
Neocrons total online player base of the total community is around 900-1300 people online. Thats all 5 servers. So neocron peek counting every server there is, is the same as 1 server on some games.
I dont see how they can afford to open a new server.
Plus what new people are they gonna bring in everyone I talked to about this game from Seige and SB wouldn't tollerate the SL system for more than1 week of pvp.
And I doubt this game would interest any of the non pvper types I know either they love there content.
Geez why am I even bothering with this. I have said the SL system could use some work. I have agreed with both of you on several points and even put forth some suggestions on how to improve the current system. Why is Neocron the carebear game of happiness? Because you cant kill leveling noobs without some penalty? Cry me a fucking a river.
If you want some change in the game, be constructive and post a well thought out post on what needs to be changed about the soul light system. Not some whiny thread about how carebears ruin your game and where you start bitching at some one who, omg stop the presses, likes to hunt with his friends! Holy crap what a lame ass!!! He likes to hunt with his friends. *points and laughs* I bet he is one of those roleplaying types.
You know what? Shit I'll just start a SL change thread myself.
Originally posted by Jest
Geez why am I even bothering with this. I have said the SL system could use some work. I have agreed with both of you on several points and even put forth some suggestions on how to improve the current system. Why is Neocron the carebear game of happiness? Because you cant kill leveling noobs without some penalty? Cry me a fucking a river.
I dont give flying fuck about nibs leveling.
I care about
About taking SL in pepper fights
Taking SL cause some mercs decide to come in when I am at MC-5 getting parts.
Then this merc clan thinks its ok to level in the caves opn TG turf well fuck that. But hey I gotta take SL there to.
Taking SL fighting a neutral clan at MB they came at my party we both were have lots of fun 2 consenting clans battleing it out fight ended cause of going red.
Well FUCK that.
Originally posted by KimmyG
Neocrons total online player base of the total community is around 900-1300 people online. Thats all 5 servers. So neocron peek counting every server there is, is the same as 1 server on some games.
I dont see how they can afford to open a new server.
Plus what new people are they gonna bring in everyone I talked to about this game from Seige and SB wouldn't tollerate the SL system for more than1 week of pvp.
And I doubt this game would interest any of the non pvper types I know either they love there content.
If you would take the time to actually listen when KK make an announcement, MJS recently posted that KK are in a better financial position than ever currently. This is exactly why I'm hoping to see Neptune soon.
Besides, you make it sound like you lose SL just for shooting someone in the first place, and that losing SL is instant death. Fact is, you can kill faction enemies without losing SL, here the SL system is in place as warning, that you ignore factions at your peril. You can also kill anyone who has yellow or red SL without penalty, telling you that if someone killed your friend, then you can go eye for an eye without penalty. Finally, you don't go into red SL for killing one ally/neutral, which allows you to fight off an ally/neutral who is attacking you without being too concerned about red SL.
The flaws in the system are that an ally/neutral attacking you does not lose SL until you die, at which point it's kind of hard to fight back, and that the drop rules for red SL are a little excessive. But maybe that's just KKs way of trying to encourage you to play the game the way they want you to, only they're a little more subtle than the "Forget about everyone who doesn't want to play my way" approach.
Originally posted by Scikar
If you would take the time to actually listen when KK make an announcement, MJS recently posted that KK are in a better financial position than ever currently. This is exactly why I'm hoping to see Neptune soon.
Thats nice go buy some stock. He has also said doy is coming out imenently ever 2 months.
No company will ever come out and say were in a heep of shit. The day you find out that a company is doing real when bankrupcy is declared.
Originally posted by KimmyG
Thats nice go buy some stock. He has also said doy is coming out imenently ever 2 months.
No company will ever come out and say were in a heep of shit. The day you find out that a company is doing real when bankrupcy is declared.
I didn't say I believed him. I said I hope Neptune will be released soon. The impression I have of MJS is that if KK were doing badly he would say nothing at all rather than say they were doing well. That could of course be miles off and he could be talking out of his ass. I have no way of knowing, so I accept it as truth, though I take it with a pinch of salt. Even if MJS is lying about it, I don't really care, because I like Neocron, for the most part, how it is, and I don't see DoY or Neptune as a requirement for my continued subscription.
I also don't care about the population either. There is no other game targetted at the same corner of the market as Neocron is, thus there is nothing to compare player counts with. Comparing with PS, SB, DAoC, EQ, UO, or EVE is misleading, because they don't target the same players as NC does. The only thing which is important to me about the population is that it's not falling. I'm seeing as many new players join as I see leaving, and I don't see the numbers going down, which leads me to the conclusion that the population is not falling. And I only see it going up after the release of DoY and a new publisher.
Originally posted by Scikar
I also don't care about the population either. There is no other game targetted at the same corner of the market as Neocron is, thus there is nothing to compare player counts with. Comparing with PS, SB, DAoC, EQ, UO, or EVE is misleading, because they don't target the same players as NC does. The only thing which is important to me about the population is that it's not falling. I'm seeing as many new players join as I see leaving, and I don't see the numbers going down, which leads me to the conclusion that the population is not falling. And I only see it going up after the release of DoY and a new publisher.
What part does it target.
Originally posted by KimmyG
What part does it target.
It targets people interested in cyberpunk, PvP, RP, MMORPGs, sci-fi, FPSs, RPGs and PvM in no particular order. IMO it's sort of a unique mix, other PvP MMORPGs (e.g. SB) miss out on the real time FPS aspect, and other FPS MMOs (e.g. PlanetSide) miss out on the RP, RPG, and cyberpunk aspects.
In one word, fun.
Most other games you level and level to try and be the best if thats your thing, on here you level for abit then you can just fight.
fun>content. Thats why i re-newed
Make PP a warzone then, nbs who level there only get killed anyway.
All I hear from these "1337" Pkers here on the board is "*I* want this", "*I* want that", I, I, I, I, I ... geez. Especially these egomaniacs destroy a community and in the end a game.
Personally I'm not against PvP, but I'm against stupid PKing (ganking) which should be heavily penalized. If you got the balls to do ganking, then do it, but don't moan about if you have to suffer consequences from it. This only proves the above stated "I, I, I, ..."-want-to-have-fun and "I" don't care about the others. I wonder if you really would want to live in a world like Neocron is currently.
The SL system needs tweaking, infact it needs a complete rework together with this F6-window-bullshit. But well, thats something for another thread.
One last point: The simple "then put your LE (back) in" doesn't really work out. The LE introduces a two class society, and the higher your rank is the worse are the drawbacks. Besides the missing brain slot for implants (which is more or less ok, even though some setups won't work then), you can only fully interact with other LE players. Really worse it gets if you are an LE'ed PPU which needs LE'ed players, otherwise he/she will be of no real use to a team (and the PPU needs a team to level). Tradeskillers can't get buffs from non-LE PPUs and neither does it work the other way around. etc. So people sometimes have no real choice about the LE, which all PKers praise as the solution for those who don't want to get ganked.
And now we have people on both sides of the argument missing the point... :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Scikar
I also don't care about the population either. There is no other game targetted at the same corner of the market as Neocron is, thus there is nothing to compare player counts with. Comparing with PS, SB, DAoC, EQ, UO, or EVE is misleading, because they don't target the same players as NC does. The only thing which is important to me about the population is that it's not falling. I'm seeing as many new players join as I see leaving, and I don't see the numbers going down, which leads me to the conclusion that the population is not falling. And I only see it going up after the release of DoY and a new publisher.
Well I do cause servers cost money,people cost money,quality cost money.
Low population means less money.
Plus if this game is one of a kind there should be lots interested in it and a lot more than 1000 people on at one time over the whole server base. Im sure there are plenty that would love to play a cyber FPS game.
@Spex
LE is 2 differn't groups there is those who want to be part of the pvp world and those who dont and thats how it should be. Not tons of PPU's with LE then boo hoo get with the pvp pk dance
Dribble Joy
12-11-03, 06:20
Originally posted by KimmyG
I care about
About taking SL in pepper fights
Taking SL cause some mercs decide to come in when I am at MC-5 getting parts.
Then this merc clan thinks its ok to level in the caves opn TG turf well fuck that. But hey I gotta take SL there to.
Taking SL fighting a neutral clan at MB they came at my party we both were have lots of fun 2 consenting clans battleing it out fight ended cause of going red.
Well FUCK that.
None of this would happen if clan wars were implemented.....
Shadow Dancer
12-11-03, 06:23
I want clan wars and kill lists implemented. Maybe kill lists could be agreements you have with other people to kill each other at any chance, and lose no SL.
:p
Kimmy, didn't you leave? If so, why did you come back?
I'm not having a dig it's just that all you ever do is complain about how NC is not the game you want to play and how much better you think everything else is.
Something keeps you here/brought you back. Maybe KK need to work out what that thing is and work to their strengths in order to bring in new people rather then listen to all the bitching from people who are paying while they bitch.
As to server populations - that has feck-all to do with the game itself. It's all due to shitty distribution and marketing. Everyone I've shown Neocron to or who I've spoken about it to in other games has liked it, including the idea of SL (though not necessarily it's implementation).
Dribble Joy
12-11-03, 06:49
Indeed, a few net ads around the place, penny-arcade, gamespy, ign etc. wouldn't cost too much and would bring in a fair few number of people.
The only way I even found out about NC was because PA mentionned it briefly and said it was cool, a small link, no pics, just a href to the NC home page, and off I toddled to GAME, and here I am a year later having a whale of a time.
Originally posted by jernau
I'm not having a dig it's just that all you ever do is complain about how NC is not the game you want to play and how much better you think everything else is.
Neocron is not the game I bought. Early days were amazing there were some PK problems but instead of small tweaks they hammered it.
The loot system was good I only wish I could speak german that community seems to be less pussy.
Servers pops are have alot lot to do with the realease but it also has to with feck all im bored.
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