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spys .......do we actualy get any mob drop items..like ChaosQueen and judgement day launcher etc...
if not why?
and mob drop armour ie boots n shit wouldnt b a bad thing:p
Ch0
edit armour examples /edit
GambitFlame
03-11-03, 01:32
THats true
Tanks Get Judement Days and STORMS
Monks get Flame Av's
PE can use Titan and VK Armour
Spy's ......................:confused:
Shadow Dancer
03-11-03, 01:39
Terminator
:p
No we get nothing at all *knudges KK*
What about an uber belt :P
Originally posted by Shadow Dancer
Terminator
:p
oh SUPER.....wait stfu i dont wanna lom to rifles just to use a mob drop.
good for rifle spys. but thats about it =/:wtf:
Ch0
GambitFlame
03-11-03, 01:41
Originally posted by Shadow Dancer
Terminator
:p
LOL @ the rate those books drop o_O
oh sh*t no, pes can use too >_<
Shadow Dancer
03-11-03, 01:43
Hey, my friend's friend's friend's friend's brother's wife's sister's aunt heard about someone who got the book you know.
:p
Originally posted by -=Bl@de=-
oh sh*t no, pes can use too >_<
yeah something that only spys can use and actualy makes playing a spy worthwhile ffs.
i mean i love my pistol spy but comon whats the point of us doing cave runs when we cant actualy use any of the drops=/
Ch0
for Xp, BUT thats not the reason lol WE WANT GOODIES
Originally posted by -=Bl@de=-
for Xp, BUT thats not the reason lol WE WANT GOODIES
yeha ok xp...but make it abit more worthwhile cos atm all cave runs do for spys except xp is loose weapon condition.
Ch0
Shadow Dancer
03-11-03, 01:50
I wouldn't feel too bad about it, most of the other drops are crap like the flame avalanche.
errrr my chaos queen on my monk is sweet , and weather or not its useful is besides the point......although if they do give us one dont make it useless ffs
Ch0
RUFF RYDER > ch0 AND EVERY1 ELSE
Originally posted by Dont Mess
RUFF RYDER > ch0 AND EVERY1 ELSE
u got the > the wrong way round:rolleyes: :p
and plz dont spam.
i seriously want at least 1 useful mob drop for spys which no other class can use.
Ch0
lol ok ok true there should be like mob drop libby or pulser
actualy id prefer more useful armour... with like some useful resists
Ch0
The idea of a uber belt is nice but then monkeys can use it too and I dont like the idea of monkeys getting even uberer resists.
Not really much you can give a spy that either a monkey or pe cant use unless you give it massive int and dex reqs like 100 on each.
Originally posted by Mr_Snow
The idea of a uber belt is nice but then monkeys can use it too and I dont like the idea of monkeys getting even uberer resists.
Not really much you can give a spy that either a monkey or pe cant use unless you give it massive int and dex reqs like 100 on each.
that doesnt seem a problem
but u canalways make it class specific like the pa.
Ch0
Originally posted by GambitFlame
LOL @ the rate those books drop o_O
what rate? they dont even drop?
We get more Warbot goodies than the other classes. :-)
they drop.....but I have a better chance of scoring with J-lo than getting a book.
Just give the drop a big dex req.
name one person?
they could make a dex based belt?
I have heard of 3 people who have the book. I am not sure if they are telling the truth....but its what they said.
Terminators are the uber close range rifle for low tech PE's. The cool thing about them is that they can stack damage. As far as a spy drop goes, I gotta wonder why all the tanks who guard faction head quarters are using hightech pistols and rifles so well. How about kill those and be able to possibly loot one off them. :angel: Give the spies a chance give them a drop. Ever think of throwing ideas in brainport?
Originally posted by FatDogg
Terminators are the uber close range rifle for low tech PE's. The cool thing about them is that they can stack damage. As far as a spy drop goes, I gotta wonder why all the tanks who guard faction head quarters are using hightech pistols and rifles so well. How about kill those and be able to possibly loot one off them. :angel: Give the spies a chance give them a drop. Ever think of throwing ideas in brainport?
i dont want normal crappy plasma pistols off FHQ guards, i want a proper mob drop item, be it armour a weapon or another stealth tool that has something like lower req than stealth 3 and lasts like 10 seconds more ...infact pretty much anything will do i just feel spys are left out and if your capped there isnt much point in doing cave runs =/.
Ch0
Original monk
03-11-03, 13:07
If you kill a copbot its should drop a copbotplasmarifle, if you kill a CAguard it should drop a CAguard plasmapistol, or even better some kind of uzi (level 75) from a NEXTguard ....
@ Dont mess: dont be so optimistic about ruff ryders skills: i saw em more dead (as in facing the ceiling with he's head and lying on he's back) then alive in PP ya see :)
Jesterthegreat
03-11-03, 13:10
dex based armour drop... ^.^
Junkie
Originally posted by Jesterthegreat
dex based armour drop... ^.^
Junkie
youll have to make it have a int req too cos pe's will b able to use it unless its class specific......which it should b.
we dont need vest armour though what about boots, pants and helmets?.
Ch0
Jesterthegreat
03-11-03, 13:18
aye would be sweet... maybe like holy spirit (but lower resists?)
a general armour?
then again i dont need DEX amrour on my spy, i have my inq 1 set and a nice resist setup (under 10% damage from all but poison)
Junkie
Richard Slade
03-11-03, 14:15
Me wunna have some kewl rifle (or pistol for you... Others...)
The coppers rifle would be neat
Or atleast give us some DoYer Kamis n' their rifles
just give us something :mad:
Ch0
theres the shaman drugs :p spy's can use those :p Also the fucked up copbot out near regants drops a TL 17 pulselaser rifle :eek: stop moaning :D
Jesterthegreat
03-11-03, 15:15
Originally posted by Richard Slade
Me wunna have some kewl rifle (or pistol for you... Others...)
The coppers rifle would be neat
Or atleast give us some DoYer Kamis n' their rifles
haha... copbot rifle? not likely :lol:
they already had to whipe them from at least 1 server lol
and pistol / rifle? well what rifle/pistol ya need? i cant think of one? (other than rare gatling? thentanks will moan lol)
Junkie
armour or a stealth tool or something.....or a spy specific shelter :p
Ch0
Jesterthegreat
03-11-03, 15:42
ooo spy shelter ^.^
not gonna happen... but would be sweet lol
personally i would say armour. kinda like titan, but for spies, and legs not chest :p
yeah but u gotta make it worthwhile not just a novelty factor of haveing a mob drop pair of pants.
Ch0
*interview with kk*
me: so, will the spy's get some spy specific stuff?
mjs: spy, whats that? *thinks really hard* OOOOH you mean the monk bait? :)
me: no i mean teh uber rifle users! O_o
mjs: BAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHA *dies cause he cant stop laughing*
me: *doh* :rolleyes:
anywayz yeah i would like to see some spy specific drops.. i prefer a belt or boots.. guns arent really needed imo since the spy already has a great range of guns...
Jesterthegreat
03-11-03, 16:21
Originally posted by Al3X
anywayz yeah i would like to see some spy specific drops.. i prefer a belt or boots.. guns arent really needed imo since the spy already has a great range of guns...
i would agree with this. although i think pants.
belts - have access to all.
boots - have access to base level of all (and all of some)
helm / pants - inq 1 / duranit 1 with +str
helm / pants would be good... and pants tend to give more.
a set of lower req titan pants? make titan vest PE only and titan (insert body part) spy only with a dex req (maybe int req too?)
cant see a spy shelter happenin... i would say armour
yeah spy items would rock i was kinda upset when i finished my epic and got a fcking helmet that i cant wear
Jesterthegreat
03-11-03, 16:29
lol... i want the TT epic. i know its near enough useless for a capped spy... but its the only (semi)rare pistol that i am missing (i even have the medicant SMG's - tl7 doesnt drop / sell anywhere anymore - kept in circlation by teh players)
Maybe something like semi rare bone drops that enchance dex or spy skills such as hacking, res, con, or vehicles.
Originally posted by Ghanima
Maybe something like semi rare bone drops that enchance dex or spy skills such as hacking, res, con, or vehicles.
what about the combat spys?
Ch0
why "acces" to all? just add the damn class restriction :)
Originally posted by Al3X
why "acces" to all? just add the damn class restriction :)
yeah god dammit something only spys can use thats noyt a complete pile of shit.
Ch0
@ dont mess
err ? ruff ryder uber LMAO
http://home.planet.nl/~harte536/ruff.JPG
was it as nice for me as it was for you "?
enigma_b17
03-11-03, 20:28
he is ub3r, but hes still a spy u nubin, just like ur still an apu monk and he can kill u in about 3 and half seconds, just as quick as u can kill him :P
anyway....yea mayb a pair of "air boots" which gives like loads of agility or/and athletics :)
Hrmm lets see....yes tanks get 3 of those special weapons...but lets add up the rares that tanks can use:
Paw of tiger
Paw of bear
Vein Ripper
Blade of Ceres
Devils Grace
Malediction
Doom Beamer
Cursed Soul
Moonstriker
Thats a total of 9 rare weapons, some of which are useless for anything other then leveling (*caught* paw of tiger, vein ripper, etc)
Lets see how many rare weapons a spy can use:
Wyatt Earp
Liberator
Slasher
Executioner
Ray of Last Hope
Beam of Hell
Judge
Pain Easer
Disruptor
First Love
Redeemer
Ray of God
Silent Hunter
Partical Nemesis
Punisher
Revenge
Thats a total of 16 weapons, not including stealth devices and the ability to use a tradeskill...therefore enabling the use of various machina gloves.
Lay off the tanks backs, they dont got much as it is.
enigma_b17
03-11-03, 20:37
no thats true tanks dont get much in way of rares. But they aint talkin about a rare....theyr talkin about a Mob drop for spies: lets c
Titan Armour - tank/pe
Viper King - tank/pe
Batqueen imp - tank
chaos queen flame avalanche - monk
judgement day launcher - tank
knightshade - any1
krithal mushroom thing - any1
spies being the only ones who dont ave a drop being the point i believe
Originally posted by enigma_b17
no thats true tanks dont get much in way of rares. But they aint talkin about a rare....theyr talkin about a Mob drop for spies: lets c
Titan Armour - tank/pe
Viper King - tank/pe
Batqueen imp - tank
chaos queen flame avalanche - monk
judgement day launcher - tank
knightshade - any1
krithal mushroom thing - any1
spies being the only ones who dont ave a drop being the point i believe
What im saying is, spies have access to more rare weapons then any other class in the game...so it works out. The rifle and pistol pools have more rares then any of the other pools, and spies are the only ones that can use the FULL line of 'em.
Get my drift?
Originally posted by g0rt
and spies are the only ones that can use the FULL line of 'em.
Get my drift?
your wrong pes can use most if not all rare rifles n pistols but yes this isnt about rares.
Ch0
seeing as Ch0 keeps bugging me to reply to this thread (it's like having a gun to my head), i'd actually like to say that i think there should be more boss mobs, and some semi-rare rifle's/pistols dropped by those mobs, preferrably shotguns :D (and i'm not talking about the damn rare shotgun)
Happy now Ch0 ?
Originally posted by =Chojin=
what about the combat spys?
Ch0
Combat stuff would be great but having played a spy since the North American release I would like to see spies be more effective in the support roles especially hacking and to have hacking mean something. Adding simple little faction mission such as hacking a enemy faction from a remote city term for information and returning to your contact would be a fun way to gain some FS or hacking GR for free travel.
Spies suck at combat when they get stuck up close and personal. It would be nice if we could get some drops that would help with close combat. Maybe something like a modified stealth unit that would decrease the size of your target box but would decrease the amount of damage you do to even it out.
Originally posted by Inchenzo
seeing as Ch0 keeps bugging me to reply to this thread (it's like having a gun to my head), i'd actually like to say that i think there should be more boss mobs, and some semi-rare rifle's/pistols dropped by those mobs, preferrably shotguns :D (and i'm not talking about the damn rare shotgun)
Happy now Ch0 ?
MUCH :D
comon campaign for spy mob drops u bitches RWAr
Ch0 *removes gun from Inchenzo's head*
Originally posted by =Chojin=
your wrong pes can use most if not all rare rifles n pistols but yes this isnt about rares.
Ch0
How clear it is you don't play a PE if this is actually what you think :lol: :lol:
A PE can barely use a JUDGE or Ray of God without gimping themselves, and even at that they will get nowhere near to capping it.
No, this is not about rares...but my point is spies have enough things, and spies have no place in most of these areas anyway. What can a Spy do in the chaos caves? It caters to AOE classes....monks and tanks....so it should give a MONK or TANK reward.
Spies are for sniping, so go snipe warbots...your reward is the techs you get, use them to build one of the many rares you have access too.
Originally posted by g0rt
How clear it is you don't play a PE if this is actually what you think :lol: :lol:
A PE can barely use a JUDGE or Ray of God without gimping themselves, and even at that they will get nowhere near to capping it.
No, this is not about rares...but my point is spies have enough things, and spies have no place in most of these areas anyway. What can a Spy do in the chaos caves? It caters to AOE classes....monks and tanks....so it should give a MONK or TANK reward.
Spies are for sniping, so go snipe warbots...your reward is the techs you get, use them to build one of the many rares you have access too.
i didnt say a pe could use them efficently i just said that the large amount of rares there are not one is realy spy specific.
and why do u have to pigeon hole spys to rifleso_O thats like saying all spys are crap up close so they should all b trade skillers.
this game needs more flexability and i think spy specific mob drop armour might make combat spys more viable and provide more variety instead of the usual combat classes like Pe's and Monks.
and spys have no place in the only effective lvling spots in the game...o_O stfu before u say something stupid and dont rain on my parade :p
just 1 mob drop item plz :D
Ch0
Originally posted by =Chojin=
i didnt say a pe could use them efficently i just said that the large amount of rares there are not one is realy spy specific.
and why do u have to pigeon hole spys to rifleso_O thats like saying all spys are crap up close so they should all b trade skillers.
this game needs more flexability and i think spy specific mob drop armour might make combat spys more viable and provide more variety instead of the usual combat classes like Pe's and Monks.
and spys have no place in the only effective lvling spots in the game...o_O stfu before u say something stupid and dont rain on my parade :p
just 1 mob drop item plz :D
Ch0
Oh ok I guess the Cursed Soul is not tank specific then....cuz a PE could drug and spec to use it, right? :rolleyes:
Get in touch with reality pls.
Spies have plenty as it is. They should maybe change the Titan Vest to a Titan Helmet or something, and make it wearable by a spy...for that fire resist boost. But no they shouldn't add a whole new item, takes too much time in which they could be doing better things....
Originally posted by g0rt
Oh ok I guess the Cursed Soul is not tank specific then....cuz a PE could drug and spec to use it, right? :rolleyes:
Get in touch with reality pls.
a pe can use VK / titan, and it makes sence and its effective...
but if a pe would use a CS...it doesnt really make him uber......
did that make sence?
ok lets try to explain it more into detail for you
If a pe uses some drugs to use a VK / Titan....its not much...and they dun need a imp change, and they get some awesome resists from it, that makes them lil better in pvp, and pvm.
If a pe uses alot of drugs and implants to use a CS, they would be crap.
once again this isnt about rares its about mob drops.
Ch0
Originally posted by RuButt
a pe can use VK / titan, and it makes sence and its effective...
but if a pe would use a CS...it doesnt really make him uber......
did that make sence?
ok lets try to explain it more into detail for you
If a pe uses some drugs to use a VK / Titan....its not much...and they dun need a imp change, and they get some awesome resists from it, that makes them lil better in pvp, and pvm.
If a pe uses alot of drugs and implants to use a CS, they would be crap.
Actually, a GOOD pe setup would allow the use of viper king or titan without drugs.
On the CS note....you think a PE using a disruptor would make him uber? Because Chojin here is saying that a PE can use ALL of the rifles and pistols in the line....no matter WHAT you or your little friend say, this is false....a PE with 115 dex, drugs or not, is gonna have crap resists and wont come anywhere NEAR capping the weapon.
So get off the pot....PE's cannot use the full line of rifles and pistols...they are for spies only....
Originally posted by =Chojin=
once again this isnt about rares its about mob drops.
Ch0
Once again I am giving you a reason why a spy should NOT need any mob drops. Once again you miss the point. Please read carefully, it shouldn't be hard...at least my posts are somewhat spelled correctly unlike Rubutt's and yours.
Originally posted by =Chojin=
what about the combat spys?
*/me wonders it to*
*another interview with mjs*
me: martin, what do you think about combat spies?
mjs: combat spies... hmmmz... sounds spicy, can you eat it? :confused:
me: no those are teh uberpistol users you know :)
mjs: BHAHAAHAHAAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA *dies cause he cant stop laughing*
me: *doh* not again :rolleyes:
anywayz i wonder if the combat spy ever will be powerful enough to survice against a gentank with the same skill as yourself... probly not cause i somehow agree that spy's are better of as snipers.... imo all pistols should accessible to the pe's.. but thats a different discussion :)
imo a spy-only belt would be the best solution... a belt with multiple resist, like the holy spirit belt does for monks...
Originally posted by g0rt
Actually, a GOOD pe setup would allow the use of viper king or titan without drugs.
On the CS note....you think a PE using a disruptor would make him uber? Because Chojin here is saying that a PE can use ALL of the rifles and pistols in the line....no matter WHAT you or your little friend say, this is false....a PE with 115 dex, drugs or not, is gonna have crap resists and wont come anywhere NEAR capping the weapon.
So get off the pot....PE's cannot use the full line of rifles and pistols...they are for spies only....
Once again I am giving you a reason why a spy should NOT need any mob drops. Once again you miss the point. Please read carefully, it shouldn't be hard...at least my posts are somewhat spelled correctly unlike Rubutt's and yours.
can u actualy read???? im not talking about the effective practise of the rare weapon hell im not even talking about rares ffs sheesh is that tooo hard for u to under stand? this thread is about the lack of spy mob drops not about the rare pool as it is.
so can we stop talking about the normal rares plz.
and what the hells spelling got to do wiith this your saying spys shouldnt get a mob drop tem because we already have a large pool of normal rares to choose from? which pes have accsess to aswell.
bring up better points instead of my inability to spell
thx
Ch0
Originally posted by g0rt
no matter WHAT you or your little friend say
wow, wait a min, my little friend?
mah wally?
or cho?
can you be a lil bit more detailed, ur extremly incoherent as it is, dont make it any worse with all theese mysteries!
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Spies - LOTS OF STUFF USE, DONT NEED MOB DROPS
Tanks - NOT LOTS OF STUFF TO USE, NEED MOB DROPS
Does that make it easier for you guys? [ edited for violation of the forum rules - flaming ]
Originally posted by g0rt
[ edited ]
Spies - LOTS OF STUFF USE, DONT NEED MOB DROPS
Tanks - NOT LOTS OF STUFF TO USE, NEED MOB DROPS
[ edited ]
ahhhhaaaaaahhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaahhhahahaha
tanks = WHO THE FUCK USES A MOB DROP!?!
spies = THEYLL USE WHATEVER THEY CAN FIND AS THEY ARE SPIES!!!
EDIT: THISS THREAD IS ABOUT ADDING ANOTHER FEATURE AND UR AGAINST IT [ edited for violation of the forum rules - flaming ] WE WANT KK TO LIVE NOT DIE [ edited - flaming ]
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EDIT 2 :homophobic language added
/Nid's edit - ban added
Originally posted by RuButt
ahhhhaaaaaahhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaahhhahahaha
tanks = WHO THE FUCK USES A MOB DROP!?!
spies = THEYLL USE WHATEVER THEY CAN FIND AS THEY ARE SPIES!!!
EDIT: THISS THREAD IS ABOUT ADDING ANOTHER FEATURE AND UR AGAINST IT [ edited ] WE WANT KK TO LIVE NOT DIE [ edited ]
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EDIT 2 :homophobic language added
Terminator is a mob drop that spies can use.
There ya go, you got your mob drop. So whats the point of this thread?
If you can't cut it as a spy....get some skills. You don't need any more mob drops, go find a Terminator for yourself.
Originally posted by g0rt
Terminator is a mob drop that spies can use.
There ya go, you got your mob drop. So whats the point of this thread?
If you can't cut it as a spy....get some skills. You don't need any more mob drops, go find a Terminator for yourself.
oh great...im gonna lom all my pistol points to use a rifleo_O
tanks get melee and hc.
Originally posted by g0rt
[ edited ]
Spies - LOTS OF STUFF USE, DONT NEED MOB DROPS
Tanks - NOT LOTS OF STUFF TO USE, NEED MOB DROPS
Does that make it easier for you guys? [ edited ]
once again this thread isnt about the current rare pool which ive stated a number of times now, its about equality between the classes:p
and your point about tanks is irrevilent as tanks are stupid and are only 1 trick poneys where as spys have intelligence which give's them more options in rpg terms.
its adding to the game and wont unbalance it in anyway imo.
Ch0
oh great...im gonna lom all my pistol points to use a rifle
tanks get melee and hc.
Wrong. Tanks with a pure HC setup cannot use any rare melee weapons. Thats about as stupid as saying spies get pistol AND rifle at the same time.
its adding to the game and wont unbalance it in anyway imo.
Maybe so, but it will take valuable time for them to implament...time that could be used for something USEFULL not some spy item that 30 people will try once then they will sit in apartment cabs for all of eternity because the disruptor, first love, etc are all better.
Originally posted by g0rt
Terminator is a mob drop that spies can use.
There ya go, you got your mob drop. So whats the point of this thread?
If you can't cut it as a spy....get some skills. You don't need any more mob drops, go find a Terminator for yourself.
so your still against adding a feature for more ways to go for a pvp setup, more weaponry....and all that
its only positive! why are you against it?
oh yeah...because my name got the word "butt" in it?
you were owned 5 mins ago....stop trying.
edit: oh about the skill thing, i got more neocron pvp skills then you could ever dream about.
Originally posted by g0rt
Wrong. Tanks with a pure HC setup cannot use any rare melee weapons. Thats about as stupid as saying spies get pistol AND rifle at the same time.
Maybe so, but it will take valuable time for them to implament...time that could be used for something USEFULL not some spy item that 30 people will try once then they will sit in apartment cabs for all of eternity because the disruptor, first love, etc are all better.
actually....tanks with a pure HC setup can use rare melee weapons...
Originally posted by RuButt
so your still against adding a feature for more ways to go for a pvp setup, more weaponry....and all that
its only positive! why are you against it?
oh yeah...because my name got the word "butt" in it?
you were owned 5 mins ago....stop trying.
edit: oh about the skill thing, i got more neocron pvp skills then you could ever dream about.
Im against adding a feature that is not needed. The game NEEDS certain things...balancing, bug fixes, lag fixes....not more spy items. Theres things the devs should be spending time on, and things they should NOT be spending time on.
New spy items is NOT something they should be spending time on.
If you need more items on your spy, you got no skills....sorry.
Originally posted by g0rt
Maybe so, but it will take valuable time for them to implament...time that could be used for something USEFULL not some spy item that 30 people will try once then they will sit in apartment cabs for all of eternity because the disruptor, first love, etc are all better.
who said it has to b a weapon [ edited for violation of the forum rules - flaming ] if u actualy read the revelant replys u would see most spys want a piece of armour.
Originally posted by g0rt
Wrong. Tanks with a pure HC setup cannot use any rare melee weapons. Thats about as stupid as saying spies get pistol AND rifle at the same time.
HOLY FUCK u realy dont read your own posts do uo_O
u were reffering to the terminator and says spys get that. thats great for rifle spys yeah but what about pistol spys. and the
"tanks get melee and hc" was refering to the mob drop items:rolleyes:
Ch0
ahahahhahha
all features are needed features! =)
or at least the good ones!
adding some variety aint bad!
admit it you lost ages ago...you just defending ur lost :p
oh yeah if u cant kill a monk ur skilless =)
i got plenty of screens where ive killed saturns "best" apu, with his ppu mate...
your still a mystery as you dont seem to like more features, more weaponry, more variety....thats the kind of thing that attracts more players.
Originally posted by RuButt
actually....tanks with a pure HC setup can use rare melee weapons...
Pure HC Setup:
MC5 Herc
MOVEON
Marine
Resistor
Melee Eye 3
Filter Heart 2
Hard Bone 3
As for bones, antigamma head, arm, chest ... exp foot / leg
Thats a total of +39 to melee combat.
Show me a rare melee weapon that needs 39 melee combat, and then a pure HC tank can use it.
Two words....Not Smart.
Three words....Get some Skills.
Originally posted by g0rt
Pure HC Setup:
MC5 Herc
MOVEON
Marine
Resistor
Melee Eye 3
Filter Heart 2
Hard Bone 3
As for bones, antigamma head, arm, chest ... exp foot / leg
Thats a total of +39 to melee combat.
Show me a rare melee weapon that needs 39 melee combat, and then a pure HC tank can use it.
Two words....Not Smart.
twentythree words:
drugs.
Originally posted by RuButt
twentythree words:
drugs.
Ok so we got 39 to start....lets add drugs
Trisolin +10
X-strong +20
Beast +25
-----------------
Thats a total of +55, add that to the 39...you have 94 after taking THREE DRUGS...something anyone smart would not consider doing.
The LOWEST rare melee weapon is the paw of tiger. It requires 98 melee combat.
UH OH! Looks like you are wrong...unless you were gonna spend a few hours in the swamp caves getting nightshade, then you can enjoy 4 drugs to use a shitty low end melee weapons :lol: :lol:
Just accept it....you're dead wrong and theres nothing you can do about it.
Originally posted by g0rt
Pure HC Setup:
MC5 Herc
MOVEON
Marine
Resistor
Melee Eye 3
Filter Heart 2
Hard Bone 3
As for bones, antigamma head, arm, chest ... exp foot / leg
Three words....Get some Skills.
i think batqueen imp also give melee......+ 40 i think
Ch0
Originally posted by =Chojin=
i think batqueen imp also give melee......
Ch0
Anyone with a good pure HC setup would be using the antigamma arm. Rubutt said with a 100% HC setup you could use rare melee weapons, well....hes dead wrong. EVEN with drugs :lol:
Originally posted by g0rt
Anyone with a good pure HC setup would be using the antigamma arm. Rubutt said with a 100% HC setup you could use rare melee weapons, well....hes dead wrong. EVEN with drugs :lol:
why would a tank need gamma bones..... they get 100 cono_O
Ch0
Originally posted by =Chojin=
why would a tank need gamma bones..... they get 100 cono_O
Ch0
Please don't make me explain how resists work. If you want your tank to hit 150 in energy, fire and xray....you gotta use antigamma bones.
And yes hitting 150 in all three resists is quite possible.
Originally posted by g0rt
Please don't make me explain how resists work. If you want your tank to hit 150 in energy, fire and xray....you gotta use antigamma bones.
if im right the pvp resist cap isnt 150 so unless u wanna go pure hunting mobs u dont need 150 in 1 resits plz someone correct me if im wrong but i think the pvp resist cap is 114 or around that area..
Ch0
Originally posted by =Chojin=
if im right the pvp resist cap isnt 150 so unless u wanna go pure hunting mobs u dont need 150 in 1 resits plz someone correct me if im wrong but i think the pvp resist cap is 114 or around that area..
Ch0
Oh my you have alot to learn about this game.
114 is the natural resist cap. 114 in natural resists gives 119 to your armor rating. Armor on top of that makes that number go UP.
For example:
114 fire resist + inq4 helm would look like:
119 ac + 42 ac = 161 fire resist
And yes it works in pvp, very little after about 125 but still enough to make it worth it.
Please keep the flames out of your argument because one ban is quite enough for any thread. Chill the thread down please.
N
Originally posted by Nidhogg
Please keep the flames out of your argument because one ban is quite enough for any thread. Chill the thread down please.
N
Ok. I only posted to say one thing really:
In my opinion, spies have enough toys right now...time should be spent on more important things in the game.
Thats all.
Originally posted by g0rt
In my opinion, spies have enough toys right now...time should be spent on more important things in the game.
Thats all.
more important things than content?
as far as my source goes its something like this
Resist skill :Armor addition
0 0
25 22
50 45
75 67
100 90
101 97
102 101
103 103
104 105
105 107
107 110
110 114
114 119
200 119
and a mob drop belt would b nice and i realy doubt it would take up much time to implement
Ch0
a belt with energy/poison would be great!
and g0rt....if you think that a spy is perfectly balnced then you have never really played a capped combat spy.
In addition, yes spies may have many rare weps to choose from, but many are so nerfed they arent even plausable in pvp. FOr example (I can only give rifle examples as I have 0 experience with pistols) have you even seen a good capped spy seriously use a First Love, Redeemer, or Healing Light in pvp? No. All combat spies know that our only real choices for rifles in order to be mildly dangerous would be an Arti PE/SH/Disruptor/RoG.....thats 4 rifles, 2 of which a PE can use effectively, especially the PE. SO in the end.. the only 2 really class specific rare weapons a spy has that is usefull in pvp would be a SH/Disruptor. Two gun. Yay. :o
Give me some armor drops damnit!
Shadow Dancer
04-11-03, 00:51
I think duranit armor should be dex based.
There, can't argue with that. :p
and g0rt....if you think that a spy is perfectly balnced then you have never really played a capped combat spy.
Did I say that? No...
Do not put words into my mouth.
Anyways...I doubt a mob drop spy item would make them uber.
no it doesnt make them "uber", and they arent supposed to be uber.. but some resistance in pvp would be fair.. i mean damnit if you can survive 5 seconds vs an apu with HL/Fire apoc then you have a *fucking good resist setup* already O_o
the only thing spy's can cover is xray... mayB energy to but that would nerf your fire AND poison resist, so you might wanna balance that out which lowers your resists in general. so its a hopeless case right now...
ooh if some mr smartass sais that spy's can have *UBBAAAAAAH resists* then plz post that below, dont come with that "classified!" bs cause i aint impressed by that. be constructive! :)
Jesterthegreat
04-11-03, 15:25
my capped spy setup will allow me to take under 10% damage from any damage type (except poison) as it is.
g0rt - you are speaking out of your ass for 90% of your comments O_o
and as for new item - i agree no weapons... belt? well that would make the current high belts useless (new belt in its place) - legs / helm / boots would be more usefull
and btw - i dont expect spies to be 'UBAH!!1!1!11oneone' but i wouldnt mind them being a bit better.
before anyone comments i am far from skill-less, i have a ** rank pistol spy - pure combat. i am not complaining cos it is unplayable... i just think an addition would be nice. i realise tanks dont get many rares... would you tell KK not to add more cos there are more important things to do? i seriously doubt it. just as i dont think adding spy items is a waste... in a way it IS balance
Junkie
g0rt....you say spies should not have any unique mob drops....which would indicate you think they are a balanced class and dont need any adavntage given by mob boss drops. No a drop wont make us uber. We just want to have a chance against other classes. Since when have spies gone to op battles in large numbers? Never.
Jesterthegreat
05-11-03, 13:34
my spy will be 100% combat viable when i am capped...
yester if you think you have a good setup plz post that below so we can discuss it.
yeah plz...thats if u dont mind showing us your setup:rolleyes:
anyinformation would b nice tho:D
Ch0
Jesterthegreat
05-11-03, 21:22
cant be bothered to find the image i hosted... do a search for 'need input' as that is the thread i made about it's name :p
its all there... prolly needs tweaking, but should be a good setup
and its jester... or junkie... not yester :p
:edit: it seems the host deleted... gimme 5 mins to repost :p
Jesterthegreat
05-11-03, 21:31
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/daniel_rogers1/forum/spy_setup_2.JPG
Jester - what program are you using there?
EDIT: Looked at NeocronCentral.de and downloaded all the stuff they gots, but it's in german and it doesn't show how much damage you take.
Eddie
dex 105.... cant use a disruptor that way :/
Shadow Dancer
06-11-03, 01:40
Isn't that setup basically a PE with less health who has to drug up for shelter?
Originally posted by Al3X
dex 105.... cant use a disruptor that way :/
he's pistols.....
why would you ever need m-c/h-c? Yet you have only 120 wep lore????? Your gonna need a lot more than that.
ANd -17 end?! Not being able to run during combat is a HUGE disadvantage, especially when you put all those point into alt/agl.
Originally posted by StrongSad
why would you ever need m-c/h-c? Yet you have only 120 wep lore????? Your gonna need a lot more than that.
ANd -17 end?! Not being able to run during combat is a HUGE disadvantage, especially when you put all those point into alt/agl. M-C/H-C is purely from imps.
Don't need more than 120 WEP for pistols.
Endurance negative is from the Spy PA. He'll still have an END pool of 90 or so. (The skill calculator doesn't do endurance at present)
You've haven't been doing this stuff very long, have you ? :rolleyes:
Edit: Looked at profile join date. Being new is fine - we all have to learn. Try not to make sage pronouncements on subjects you are shaky on, however. It just makes you look faintly silly ;)
90 end? Thats still very crappy. Run around a bit and you will soon be forced to walk....which will make an easy target. Most good spies I have talked to have a 100+ amount of end.
Plus 120 wep lore is just fine for a pistol spy. But it wont do for a rifle spy.
PS- just because I have joined the forums recently doesnt mean I am new to NC :rolleyes:
Originally posted by \\Fényx//
he's pistols.....
i know.. but im a marksman and if i would use the same setup i wouldnt be able to use my disruptor/silent silent hunter...
I am not able to post my setup, but I can tell you that there is no need to skill END on a spy.
You can have Stamina-Boosters in your quickbelt. So use the spare points for anything else.
With pistols even WEP is not needed.
On my pistol-spy I have 3 points on WEP (the remaining points after full cap and skilling different skills). And I can defend myself very well.
I use a Slasher and a Liberator, have a Obliterator in my quickbelt and a hackingtool, a Steahlth-III in my GoGu (what I use depends on the situation), using various spells (Basic Resist, Spy-Booster, Pistol-Booster, Deflector and Heal) and a spare slot for medis or stam-boosters.
I am pretty fast and do enough damage to survive long enough.
Armor is a combination of Battle 2 and 3 and the Pistol-Spy-Suit 3
And please forget the calculations made by the tools for taking xx% of damage. They are not correct.
Jesterthegreat
06-11-03, 12:07
ok i was off forums for a while ^.^
it is skill manager from www.neocronnetwork.de (2nd news piece i think)
it is indeed pistol, and its not made to be converted to rifle (its a ROLH setup)
i will prolly lose wep lore, i want 340/min on lib / slasher - no more but ill have to test it all before i get my final setup
it may be considered a PE with no shelter... but i consider it a combat spy... cos thats what it actually is!
and yeah, with my current setup i have 3 slots for medikits / stam boosters... i dont need end at all.
that is:
gun
heal
space
space
space
deflecter
spy1
pistol1
resist1 (will be 2 later)
hacktool
when i cap i will be:
gun
heal
stealth
medikit
stamana booster
heal sanc
deflector
spy1
pistol1
resist2
i will throw in shelter / hacktool only when needed
Junkie
id losse the heal sanctum.. i tried that doesnt work too well+ your easily seen in stealth:p
Ch0
Jesterthegreat
06-11-03, 13:06
yeah well ill see. i lost my current one anyway.
i have a 5 slot 120/120/120/94 heal atm, a heal + a medikit = full health from anything
Originally posted by Jesterthegreat
yeah well ill see. i lost my current one anyway.
i have a 5 slot 120/120/120/94 heal atm, a heal + a medikit = full health from anything
i have a 5 slot heal + i did have a 5 slot sanct but still didnt find it worthwhile... now i just need to find space in my qb for a medikit/antishock lol.
Ch0
ChO, you have seen my spy yesterday. Maybe we will meet at Nexus today and I can tell you exactly how I am skilled.
yeah ok cool, ill b on Nc in a little bit :D
Ch0
I am only at 19:00 CET again.
Jesterthegreat
06-11-03, 13:31
well if you peeps were on uranus and i was capped + using my setup i would show you mine :p
however i am only 84 dex and about the same int atm, need to level hard and get a PP resistor chip for my setup
still... whats everyones opinions? is it a viable setup? cos i think so
it can hack ops with spy 1, walk cast all my spells AFAIK, use ROLH without drugs, AND have nice defences. also i made it realistic.... no SA in my setup at the moment - i made do with the slightly more common chips. infact all i am missing IMP-wise is a PP resistor.
Junkie
Originally posted by Jesterthegreat
it is indeed pistol, and its not made to be converted to rifle (its a ROLH setup)
i will prolly lose wep lore, i want 340/min on lib / slasher - no more but ill have to test it all before i get my final setup
it may be considered a PE with no shelter... but i consider it a combat spy... cos thats what it actually is!
and yeah, with my current setup i have 3 slots for medikits / stam boosters... i dont need end at all.
that is:
gun
heal
space
space
space
deflecter
spy1
pistol1
resist1 (will be 2 later)
hacktool
when i cap i will be:
gun
heal
stealth
medikit
stamana booster
heal sanc
deflector
spy1
pistol1
resist2
i will throw in shelter / hacktool only when needed
Some constructive suggestions ...
Firstly - yeah - lose the Heal Sanctum - too slow, too visible. You can jetison the Medpacks too - just too slow to be of great use.
Use an anti-shock drug in one of the freed up slots.
On the setup side ... you could drop agility down to 75 and have absolutely no change to runspeed. Change Anti-gamma foot for Experimental Foot and you have another 12 skillpoints to spend on R-C for rate of fire. The tiny X-Ray loss won't be noticeable.
You also might wan't to consider changing the filter heart for an experimental - you look a little low on health, and the poison resist isn't really doing a lot for the point investment committed, as poison is easily countered.
With Stealth it's easy to cloak, slam on the heavy poison belt and chug an antidote to get rid of the stacks.
I'd put those point in HLT again ... just past 100 skill there's a significant "accelerator" point you might want to take advantage of - you should be able to get 400 or so health pool without difficulty.
Just my personal opinions, natch ;)
Jesterthegreat
06-11-03, 13:59
iirc spies cant use EXP bones... but i may be wrong ^.^
i never even considered exp heart... i played a tank in the past and lived on filter 2 so i went for filter. i guess with so much XRay and poison being useless to me your prolly right.
i have never used any of the new 'anti' drugs... but again its something i will have to try. your prolly all right about heal sanct... but im not losing both heal sanct and medikits :p the amount of times medikits have kept me alive... ^.^
my spy currently tanks Grim Chasers. with deflecter / heal / medikit he outheals them (until heal runs out) - this is with inq 1 and LIGHT fire belt btw
Junkie
this is link to char planner i think (http://home.pages.at/smoker/skillmanager-2003-11-03.exe)
Originally posted by Jesterthegreat
iirc spies cant use EXP bones... but i may be wrong ^.^ Don't forget, you have 49 STR available now ;)
Jesterthegreat
06-11-03, 14:23
haha ^.^ i need to look at my own setup more O_o
i build it with minimum 49 str and 108 dex as a target... then i completely forget about it when setting up lol
On my pistol-spy I have 3 points on WEP (the remaining points after full cap and skilling different skills). And I can defend myself very well.
All I know is that my combat rank with 80 wep lore was about 56 (using a FL) and it went all the way up to 78*** when I bumped my wep lore to 186. I think your gonna need a bit more than 3.
I could be wrong though. Cuz I am only a silly newb :rolleyes:
PS- Jester...i think you can also use a batqueen arm. That will add 10 more force prtection :D
The difference is:
You: RIFLE
Me: PISTOL
With rifles you need a high weaponlore to get a decent aiming. With pistols there is no need for it. You have a pretty fast aimiing with pistols anyway.
And I give a shit on the combat-rang. Even if it was 0 with only one /
It wouldn't interrest me. A high combatrang is only for prolling around. It says nothing about the real abilities of the char.
was banned
and to the dude that thought i was skilless
ill take u any time with a APU tank.
ok,
here we go
personally i would use BQ arm instead of gamma arm
that is another 40 mc
so we got 36+40=76
and drugs?
Trisolin M-C+10
X-strong M-C+20
Beast M-C+25
Tiger Blood M-C+30
Kri'nakh Nightshade M-C+40
drugs adds 125 MC, so we get a total of 201 MC, as a pure HC tank.
ok, maybe not everyone got apps filled with tiger blood and nightshade....
but youll have 70 less in MC, but thats still 131 in MC....and the devils grace only needs 116 in MC....
im sorry for having this post off topic.....but got a 3 day bann and couldnt answer till now.
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