View Full Version : Parashock... it aint soo bad...
well, change of heart here tbh.
Since ive gone to PPU, ive kinda changed my view on parashock, ive realised that a PPU thats organised can keep himself and his team unshocked, and im onlu 104 psi with imps n armour, basically theres this spell called antipara, it instantly removes parashock with like 50/min ROF o_O no need for cath, plus parashock itself has saved my life alot of times, giving me the chance to run and buff up :)
Altho I believe the stun efect needs to be toned down with its effect to your mouse turning...
Theres drugs to counter it, however these need to be pretty much instant, and last for say 10 seconds so that you cant get paraspammed...
But the anti parashock spell's great, its like a 1.5 second cast, completely gets rid of it, and when im stunned i can effectively 'run cast' it :)
Some things do need changing about parashock, however its not all that bad there is ways of combatting it :) With my anti parashock I kept my team of 3 APU's unshocked lastnight whenever i saw them shocked...
that only really applies though if you have a PPU straped to your back, if not its the para of death
Originally posted by ezza
that only really applies though if you have a PPU straped to your back, if not its the para of death
true true but who doesent have a PPU stapled to their ass nowadays ? cmawn theres enough to go around :rolleyes:
Originally posted by \\Fényx//
true true but who doesent have a PPU stapled to their ass nowadays ? cmawn theres enough to go around :rolleyes:
i never* have a ppu with me hunting or killing, if i get killed as a soloist so be it, but i dont like having to rely on another class to do things.
i mean i didnt need them before, i mean who did, now theres millions of the monkeys popping out of every crack in neocron spamming para and damage boosting my ass.
*although i say never, i occasionaly have one when in the caves:D
Originally posted by \\Fényx//
true true but who doesent have a PPU stapled to their ass nowadays ? cmawn theres enough to go around :rolleyes:
I dont
95% of the time I hunt solo and when I dont its usually a Tank (Dav) :)
I actually don't like having a ppu up my butt hole - that place is reserved for hampsters.
Unfortunatly I'm an apu which means not even TL 3 heal - I can solo wbs etc but have to wait around for medipacks to heal my afterwards.
But I have a bice little pe levelling now so I can go out hunting solo if my clan wanna do different stuff to me.
ghandisfury
24-10-03, 17:04
If you truely believe that, then take the challenge on my siggy. You are welcome to bring all of the drugs you want.
Shadow Dancer
24-10-03, 19:05
Sorry Fenix I don't want to play only with one class up my rectum. I think rade's sig says it all. :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Shadow Dancer
Sorry Fenix I don't want to play only with one class up my rectum. I think rade's sig says it all. :rolleyes:
everyone has one tho o_O
CONFORM!
CONSUME!
OBEY !
Instant parashock, poison and damage boost removal drugs would be awesome. For 1500nc a pop for the current ones I'd expect them to be instant anywho.
Originally posted by \\Fényx//
everyone has one tho o_O
CONFORM!
CONSUME!
OBEY ! REFUSE AND RESIST
ghandisfury
24-10-03, 20:37
Originally posted by \\Fényx//
everyone has one tho o_O
CONFORM!
CONSUME!
OBEY !
WO WO WO!!!! Did you just *skip* over my post? Dont' you think parashock is "fine"? Click the link or shut your pie hole :D
Actually fenix, crackheads have begun pking without a ppu nowdays... and it is more fun tbh :eek: :eek:
What your saying makes a lot of sence.
1: make anti parashock drugs better
2: make anti parashock spells better
3: stop being so harsh on the turning
Does altering [Start>settings>control panal>mouse>motion>pointer speed] work?
spydre1070
25-10-03, 00:05
I don't have a ppu stapled to my ass...I am the PPU :)
Ghandi, your challenge is about Parashock AND DB..we've been through this before, dude.
Fenix is just talking about parashock...
Good point fenyx. All PPU spells have a counter spell as well.
And as for not having a PPU strapped to your as while hunting?...well niether do I on my PE yet I havnt been killed in ages. .........
Originally posted by Garet
Good point fenyx. All PPU spells have a counter spell as well.
How about a solution that doesnt... oh well
Shadow Dancer
25-10-03, 02:36
Originally posted by Rade
How about a solution that doesnt... oh well
Even though you're viciously and horribly biased, I agree with you here.
I actually think it's a catchy phrase now.
Originally posted by Shadow Dancer
Even though you're viciously and horribly biased, I agree with you here.
I actually think it's a catchy phrase now. ¨
(Completely off topic, and should probably be a DM to SD)
Now, even tho you always shout that Im a biased little piece of
shit. While a average skill tanked easily kills a average skilled PE,
and even when a average skilled tank easily killed a very skilled
PE, did you ever see me cry about tanks needing a nerf? And
now, that Ps and APUs are even in duels but APUs are so
much more important than PEs in every single aspect of the game
trafeskills, PvM, PvP, EVERYTHING. How much have I promoted
the nerfing of APUs on these forums? No I havent besides a snide
remark or two, because Im satisfied in seing PPUs nerfed first
and then see how well APUs fare without them.
Now, my, as for PEs goes, imo the best thing would be to nerf the
PEs staying power and then give them toys to compensate for it,
as they would be even worse in OP wars and no longer be
the masters of duels (which is still pointless and oh, they aint
maters, tanks are still better, hybrids are still better and APUs are
still equal), but hve some neat tricks to compensate for their lack
of power, such as locating a target through hacking a citycom, or
some weird effect grenades.
Seriously, what part of this reasoning is biased? Where am I
horribly mistaken?
Shadow Dancer
25-10-03, 02:54
Originally posted by Rade
¨
(Completely off topic, and should probably be a DM to SD)
Now, even tho you always shout that Im a biased little piece of
shit.
I never called you a piece of shit.
On the forums at least.
Originally posted by Rade
¨
now, that Ps and APUs are even in duels but APUs are so
much more important than PEs in every single aspect of the game
trafeskills, PvM, PvP, EVERYTHING.
Um. Apus are more important in team battles, due to PPUS. If ppu wasn't in a team battle, apu wouldn't be more important, since there's no ppu to debuff.
Can you please tell me how apu is more "important" than pes in tradeskills and PvM? THNX i'd really like to know.
Originally posted by Rade
¨
How much have I promoted
the nerfing of APUs on these forums?
You asked for antibuffs to be removed from apus, and then you say they have enough toys. You wanted pes spies to have a minor tradeskill(poke, imp), a healing tool, AND a stealth too. Then you have the nerve to say that even without antibuff an apu would have more "toys" even though he can't stealth, heal(except medkit), or tradeskill.
You also said you wanted agility moved to STR. That would be a HUGE monk nerf in general. Then you said that you wanted apu damage back down to 368%. Which means they would do less damage than tanks.
Want me to go on?
Originally posted by Rade
¨
Now, my, as for PEs goes, imo the best thing would be to nerf the
PEs staying power and then give them toys to compensate for it,
as they would be even worse in OP wars and no longer be
the masters of duels (which is still pointless and oh, they aint
maters, tanks are still better, hybrids are still better and APUs are
still equal), but hve some neat tricks to compensate for their lack
of power, such as locating a target through hacking a citycom, or
some weird effect grenades.
Right. I wasn't talking about pes though. Although I think it's lame they have stealth, but I haven't proposed any nerfs.
Originally posted by Rade
¨
Seriously, what part of this reasoning is biased? Where am I
horribly mistaken?
It's about being selfish. Like when you say "remove antibuffs and give them to pes/spies" and like I said, you actually have the audacity to say that an apu has enough toys WITHOUT antibffs? What toys? Please let me know. You mean "damage". Doesn't everyone have the "damage" toy? Or do you include "highest damage" as a toy? in that case can I count your defense, being better than a tank, as a "toy" and say that pes don't need stealth or minor tradeskill?
And if asking for damage to be reduced so low to the point that tanks outdamage apus(which would be stupid, since apus are supposed to do the most damage) isn't selfish, then I don't know what the hell is.
EDIT: Also you're always trying to make it seem like every class is better off than yours, and that yours is the worst. Including showing that rediculous spy setup that either requires 2 drugs, OR requires imps that deny the access of SH, FL, DS to the spy.
DOUBLE EDIT: I hope to god you aren't saying APUs are more important PvM because of PPUs. We are supposed to be excluding ppus for the sake of 1 class vs antoher class discussion. If you don't like what an apu can do WITH a ppu then the PPU is the problem there. K THX BYE
Shadow Dancer
25-10-03, 03:15
Right to add to what I said, you would have no problem fucking over the apu and making him useless without a PPU. That is the epitome of biasedNESS and selfishNESS.
Furthermore if you have a problem with apu/ppu combo(since 99% of the jackasses on this forum keep judging apu class by him being with a ppu) then you fix something that doesn't nerf them solo. How about making heal con based? Or make shelter con based? Or make apu points decrease shelter power? or etc.............. Instead of trying to find a way to "fix" it(even though it doesn't need fixing IMO) without nerfing the apus who don't have ppus inside their anus hole, you selfishly ask for things that would fuck over all apus even if the solo apu is more-or-less balanced.
I'm sure if people kept saying PE was overpowered, based on a PPU attached to him, you would be pissed as well. How the hell would you feel if KK made it super hard to cap pistols because it was to easy to cap it with pistol combat 3? Or some other idiocy. Based on the way you think, the way you attach yourself to one class and exaggerate it's weaknesses as well as teh strengths of other classes, I laugh so hard when you say "i used to handle balance issues in this or that mud that I was blah blah co reproducer designer artist troll etc...." PUH leeze, like you know about balance.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Heh...
(OT: *peers at SD's title* So, you came back into the fold, eh? :p)
I think a large part problem is, the only one who has the damned counters is the APU.
Okay, lemme rephrase. The only one who can counter EFFICIENTLY, YET STILL not be adequate enough, is the APU.
I think that leads to our current Monkocron.
And since the PPUs are starting it, I think the way we're going is alright; Try to tweak the PPU, and go from there.
Oh gee, looks like I really ticked you off this time didnt I.
Why are you bringing up old brainstorming ideas that you know
that I didnt mean seriously? Sure, I might need to take a step
back at times but so do you, look at what you are saying. Saying
that APUs are better than PEs in tradeskills was a poor choice of
words, true, I should have said that APUs are better at PvM and
PvP and equal to PEs at tradeskills, happy now? The APU damage
output is insane in PvM and you know it, theres a reason only
monks are necesary in MC5 and that the APU monks always gets
the loot if you are farming fire mobs. Having the highest damage
output in the game is a big deal, are you trying to deny
that? When you end up in a chance encounter or get the jump on
someone having the highest damage output in the game can
determine the outcome extremely quick. In a fight the best
defence is more often than not to have a great offence, even if
there were no PPUs to debuff or APUs didnt hav debuff having a
bunch of APUs that can destroy the enemy force fast is a huge
deal. When it comes to adjusting APUs I do think that PPUs
should be adjusted first and then we can see if APUs are still a
problem, if so we could take it one step at a time. I dont however
think that we should hit them with all the proposed
changes, for example; the damage output is fine if they would
have alot shorter range and they would actually be fragile (ie not
have a ppu), the damage output and range would be fine if they
did not have the ability to debuff but another class had it, etc etc.
As for the PEs staying power, I have already agreed time and
time again that something needs to be done, my point is that if
PEs are supposed to be worse at fighting than all other classes
then they should have some things to make up for it, and not just
stealth, debuffing fits perfectly in here.
If you look at it this way, Tanks and APUs are the pure fighting
classes, they should have an equal amount of defence and
offence if you add them together, then we come to spies and
PEs, which should have a smaller amount of combined defence
and offence but something else to make up for it.
The fact that you laugh at what someone says or fill your posts
with Im-better-than-you smilies doesnt makes someone elses
point any less valid. The fact is that you accuse me of being
biased and selfish when I am suggesting changes to your class
but at the same time remain open to suggestion to changes to
my class, who is the one that is selfish and biased here?
The most basic fallacie of argumentation is ad hominem, to attack
someones person rather than their arguments. If you are going
to continue doing this than people will percieve your points as
poor even if they are indeed valid. If you doubt my abilities when
it comes to balancing and just want me to show me credentials
then I can post pictures of my grades as soon as I get a camera
becaus I am currently studying game design at a university
here in Sweden, if you doubt the work I did at the MUD we can
log on there and I can show you. If you are interested in any of
this then PM me and we can solve it, perhaps then we can bring
our discussions to a tad bit more mature level.
I think one of the problems we have is that you often focus on
one of my points in a multi-facetted solution, which is
understandable since I often present my ideas extremely poorly.
Part because the forum style of discussing often chops peoples
points up and you will very rarely have read all posts done by a
person on one subject.
Now, I have to go again, we can continue this at some other time.
Originally posted by Benjie
Does altering [Start>settings>control panal>mouse>motion>pointer speed] work?
not for a optical mouse no, a ball mouse tho it does (should)
Originally posted by \\Fényx//
not for a optical mouse no, a ball mouse tho it does (should)
Indeed, and if ya stil have a ball mouse, you should go to your bathroom stick yourhead in the pan and flush violently, rollerball mice suck ass, got my optic a week ago, it pwns.
as for para,
I agree its fine as is, though the turn speed killing sucks ass (specially against pistol PEs (kos kos) )
Instant anti shock drugs sound good, but then theres no point in paraspamming cos like what happend with blacksun, soon as sonmeone says WOW, everyone goes and gets one, negating paraspam, wich in turn gets the PPUs to come on forums bitching OMFG WHY GIVE US A USELESS SPELL!!!!!!!
though 10 seconds of glory before i get another spamming and flash, sounds good to me he :)
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