Question about Libby & PE

[Pi-Oh-Pah]

IS it possible to use both without severe gimpage ?

[Original monk]

i think thats not possible (witouth gimpage) , maybe it is but ya need some more weaponlore (fo the PE) and you will gimp youre agility and techcombat (stealth). But to be honest i never tried so go ahead and try it out :) then youre a 100% sure, must be nice shooting with a pe and draw a libby as a backupweapon :)

[QuantumDelta]

depends on what you define as gimpage.
You'd never be able to PvP well, but you would be able to PvM just fine.

edit;
Hell, even a spy would have trouble pulling it off and capping either-or-both o_O

[Pi-Oh-Pah]

Im not too fussed with stealth as I could only use the lowest one on my last PE

I think I will give it a go :)

[\\Fényx//]

use a pistol and a rifle kami :D ;)

[Pi-Oh-Pah]

Originally posted by \\Fényx//
use a pistol and a rifle kami :D ;)

and get killed by a breeze :P

[Rade]

I dont get it. You want to be able to flash it in pepper park and
shout "onoz look at me im gimped" or whats the point?

[Pi-Oh-Pah]

Originally posted by Rade
I dont get it. You want to be able to flash it in pepper park and
shout "onoz look at me im gimped" or whats the point?

Coz I want to do it

what other reason do I need ?

[Rade]

Ok, theres something called manifested disfunction, its an action
which have no positive consequences, intentional or
unintentional. Its a theoretic term because humans never ever
do this, therefore you must have some sort motive with what
you are doing, and some sort of gain in sight. Im just wondering
what it is.

[Pi-Oh-Pah]

Originally posted by Rade
Ok, theres something called manifested disfunction, its an action
which have no positive consequences, intentional or
unintentional. Its a theoretic term because humans never ever
do this, therefore you must have some sort motive with what
you are doing, and some sort of gain in sight. Im just wondering
what it is.

Being mentally unstable cant be ruled out for starters - that and complete boredom.

I may be following Ronaz soon :(

[Rade]

Neither mentally unstable nor bored people do it either, they just
have a different perspective of what there is to gain from actions.

[Pi-Oh-Pah]

Why should there be a reason behind my actions other than 'cos I want to' ?

[evs]

Ok, theres something called manifested disfunction, its an action
which have no positive consequences, intentional or
unintentional. Its a theoretic term because humans never ever
do this, therefore you must have some sort motive with what
you are doing, and some sort of gain in sight. Im just wondering
what it is.



sleepwalking

[Rade]

Originally posted by evs
sleepwalking

unconscious actions doesnt qualify, such as actions that are
results of spasms or cramps, sleepwalking etc.

[evs]

So basically you are saying everything that humans do has a motive.
And that there is never 'no motive'.

i.e sleep = to rest the body
breathe = to stay alive
use a pain easer and liberator = because you want to use both or want to see if you can

its the 'unintenional' part that i cant work out.
what if you drive your car.
motive is to get to somewhere.
you squash a squirrel.

there was no intention or morive to do so, so it fits the unintentional part, and also it didnt have any positive consequence.

fits the statement, although id call it co-incidence.

thought provoking indeed :)

[Original monk]

IMO its is cool to run around after someone with a pain easer and shoot that person and when you fall outta ammo quickly change to a liberator to finish the job, its yust a cool way of attacking.

Not everybody wonna come into pepper park and say: i am the one here with every single point in pistolcombat and i outdamage everybody here :P also when you draw a PE and start firing, the person in question thinks automatically you are a rifler, and will base he's attack or defense on he's observing, the point ya draw a liberator and start running around em like a madman can certainly suprise youre enemy wich can give a combat advantage.

So its not such a stupid or unreasonable idea and it points out that you are not like every-one and follow the rest as sheep, what phiohpha wonna do is create a diffrent kind of attacking instead the same old same old attacking everybody does, in my opinion this gives her a major advance on the rest, yust cause she doesnt thinks inline with the attitude most players have in the situation of fighting: and that is: i must cap every weapon i have or i suck at pvp, and thats yust not true, even with a so called "gimped" char you can kill people also :)
And what about the roleplay effect ? she can say shes like a real swatteammember and armed to the teeth with rifles and pistols :P
And she can change her tactics for example: use the PE for distances and when her target comes to close swith to a libby fo close action :)

I certainly encourage this way of thinking, for the simple reason that now she isnt a pistolpe or riflepe like everyone else, some diffrency in this game is higly appreciated, instead of always the same ol boring pe that comes running around you with a libby he or she knowing they could never kill ya for the simple reason ya know like 5km in advance what there planning on doing .. Why ? cause like 400 PE before him or her used exactly that same old boring tactic ...

gl and enjoy playing :)

edit: yust be carefull cause ya only have 1 safeslot for the 2 rares hehe

[Rade]

Originally posted by evs
So basically you are saying everything that humans do has a motive.
And that there is never 'no motive'.

i.e sleep = to rest the body
breathe = to stay alive
use a pain easer and liberator = because you want to use both or want to see if you can

its the 'unintenional' part that i cant work out.
what if you drive your car.
motive is to get to somewhere.
you squash a squirrel.

there was no intention or morive to do so, so it fits the unintentional part, and also it didnt have any positive consequence.

fits the statement, although id call it co-incidence.

thought provoking indeed :)

Its not what Im saying, its widely used psycological terms. What
you are talking about with the example of the car is a latent
dysfunction, your purpose when you took a drive was not to kill
something, it was an effect that you did not predict. There are
four types of actions or consequences from actions: Latent
function = a good conseqeence that isnt intentional, manifested
function = a good consequence which is intentional, latent
disfunction = a unintentional negative consequence and
manifested disfunction= a intentional negative consequence.

There are no actions which are purely negative, people who take
their lives wants to end some pain, people who cut themselves
do it to gain pitty or to block something out, everything we do
have a motive which is a positive consequence of our actions.
Theres no such thing as "because I can", humans dont work that
way.

Anyway, I have translated the terms from swedish and it might
be that they are called something completely different in english
and makes shit sense now, I could explain this further but I dont
feel like writing an essay on the subject. This is the short version.

[Pi-Oh-Pah]

My head hurts - who hi-jacked my thread :eek: