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ghandisfury
22-10-03, 00:49
I didn't think it would happen, but it did. I am finally tired of NC. I can't handle getting parashocked again....I can't handle seeing 555500289693846956420967390485609328769034609566092987 monks at an OP war, and one tank.....(probaly rerolling to monk soon)....I can't handle the time and effort I've put into working out my resist being negated by a click of a button, seeing damage boost on my screen. I can't handle having 10 people being able to lie there and wait for resserection and being able to DO NOTHING about it. So, there you have it I won't be participating in PvP untill these issues are fixed.
Shadow Dancer
22-10-03, 00:51
Sorry man I totaly feel ya. I've stopped participating in op battles too because of it. Hell I use to solo pk/pvp alot, but even that's being thwarted by monkacron.
:(
Make a ranged combat char and fight outside of an Para'spamer's range. A Lowtech Rifle PE works well, or a gimped SH Rifle PE (I can't stand spys, to weak imho). Both work reasonable well to combat Para'cron.
Originally posted by ghandisfury
....I can't handle seeing 555500289693846956420967390485609328769034609566092987 monks at an OP war, and one tank.....
Now thatīs a lot of monks =/
Anyways if you fight the right people they bring fair fight chars first.. then they get annihilated.. and itīs first at that time the monks come ^^
In slightly reduced numbers in comparisance to your extremely "accurate" number ^^
but sure monksī a bitch.. take is a challenge, kill them and hear the sweet sound of bitching in OOC for ages and ages after =) almost worth dying a few times for.
gotta admit the monk problem is sucks, and if you chose to see it or not, it is killing the game.
i mean back when hybrids where godly, there was complaints and that, but there wasnt millions of the damn things allover the place, the tanks outnumbered the monks by a long shot.
now though everywhere you go, a fucking monk, if its a apu normally a ppu is not far away and its ifs a ppu then umm a apus not far away:D :rolleyes:
op wars would be more fun if you had a veriety of classes there.
its just shit the way PPUs ARE needed, apus ARE needed.
you dont need tanks pes or spys, which is dumb, there all classes in this game, they should all have there place at the ops battles, and rather than needing any one class, id rather see it that no class was needed, but any classwas useful at the battle what ever the class.
tbh i got bored of ops battles a while ago when i was a merc, so changed my tank over to BD for a diffrent kinda fun.
but its limiting with out a PPU on your ass what you can do and for how long.
i played my monk from start of retail up to about maybe a month or 2 ago, but its got to the point where id dont really enjoy logging him in, as it is im lomming my tank to melee which i originally started him as cos its fun, i kinda got lost along the way and though id go and pwn people, well now lomming back to play him for fun and enjoyment.
melee is tough anyway with or without PPUs so the monks have no bearing on thatfor me, but something needs to be done, i dont mind teaming, but how often are melee tanks welcome in a team, not in the caves normally.
so i have to solo and most the time i just wanna head of on my hover explore or whatever, i dont want to have a monk with me at all times.
as it is, i honestly believe theres not to much of a problem with apus(maybe a aiming device for them, but thats it)i still see it as PPUs as the Joy killlers in this game. but dunno how to solve it.
but like ghandisfury im staying out of ops for the time(at least untill i get my own personal PPU that follows me around 24/7:D )
ghandisfury
22-10-03, 01:20
Originally posted by Shadow Dancer
Sorry man I totaly feel ya. I've stopped participating in op battles too because of it. Hell I use to solo pk/pvp alot, but even that's being thwarted by monkacron.
:(
Heh, ya got DMed buy a guy....he said "the only reason you won was because my PPU fataled" :lol: .................and every_time I get parashocked, I want to log, and cancel my account.
@Keiron I have, but it doesn't mean much when a PPU is there.....
Hrmh...
ghandi, take a look at your sig.. and no, I don't mean the link. =x
Think about why you put that there, and tell me if what it means is you won't pvp because it's right, or because it's expected.
Thank you, I was just about to make a similar post and you saved me the effort.
The monk situation is out of control. The range, damage, RoF, and easy of aiming of APUs makes them the only attack class worth playing and OP wars are all about who has more PPUs. Tanks are a total joke. It's getting really tiresome.
Maybe people are wanting Tankocron or 'Hybridocron' (since the bigass nerf was only because of a few good hybrids...) back now...
KidWithStick
22-10-03, 02:03
the other day when PIMP was fighting SS over syncon, cyclon ran around for like 5 mins trying to rez his people, while all 7 or so of us were pounding on him non stop, and yes, one of oru APU's was doing nothing but non stop anti buffing him...
cyclon is good, he eventually gave up and typed out, oh well...ill leave now... and ran to the GR and just GRed away...
i think that kinda means somthing about a problem...
ghandisfury
22-10-03, 02:04
Originally posted by Kenjuten
Hrmh...
ghandi, take a look at your sig.. and no, I don't mean the link. =x
Think about why you put that there, and tell me if what it means is you won't pvp because it's right, or because it's expected.
What???? I know exactly what my sig means......do you? I am stopping because every time I get parashocked, damage boosted, or see a "dead spie" I want to log, and uninstall NC. The monk problem is becoming increasingly worse, and there is no_end_in_sight.
So, like I said, I'm stopping with the PvP for a bit because it's dull, fruitless, and pointless.....answere your question?
KidWithStick
22-10-03, 02:04
Originally posted by Kenjuten
Maybe people are wanting Tankocron or 'Hybridocron' (since the bigass nerf was only because of a few good hybrids...) back now...
tankocron, yes, hybridocron, hell no...never again.
hybrids was worse than it is now IMO...
Shadow Dancer
22-10-03, 02:06
Originally posted by RayBob
The range, damage, RoF, and easy of aiming of APUs makes them the only attack class worth playing
I think you're blowing that out of proportion. Apus can't snipe(well :D), they can't tradeskill, they can't stealth, and their defense sux. I think saying that their the only attack class worth playing is exaggerating. The only reason their picked so often over other classes is because of anti-shielding capabilities. How many times have I heard "we don't have enough anti-buffers, i guess I'll roll one".
Btw, I never even thought tankacron was bad. I think tankacron was more the result of other classes not having enough toys or being underpowered, rather than tanks being the UBER LEET SHIZNIT.
KidWithStick
22-10-03, 02:08
Originally posted by Shadow Dancer
I think you're blowing that out of proportion. Apus can't snipe(well :D), they can't tradeskill, they can't stealth, and their defense sux. I think saying that their the only attack class worth playing is exaggerating. The only reason their picked so often over other classes is because of anti-shielding capabilities. How many times have I heard "we don't have enough anti-buffers, i guess I'll roll one".
Btw, I never even thought tankacron was bad. I think tankacron was more the result of other classes not having enough toys or being underpowered, rather than tanks being the UBER LEET SHIZNIT.
yea..i agree with all u say, even tankocron, but i was a tank...:rolleyes:
i didnt see what was so bad about it...
ghandi, I've chatted with you a bit..you kinda gave me the impression you would not back down and do what's expected after so long, which is to not do PvP, but not stop at any cost and fight the PPUs, and find ways to kill them....... without exploits anyway.
Listen man, I'm not saying I think what I'm saying is right, but don't YOU think it would be more worth it if you snuffed out those that make the game less fun?
Think about it a bit...I know you quit PvP because it's become boring for you. But wouldn't you prefer to fight to make it become less boring?
The more people that stop PvP, the more boring this game will become, and that is my belief. Whether it is right or not, is not up to me, but up to fate and the future to decree.
KidWithStick
22-10-03, 02:12
Originally posted by Kenjuten
ghandi, I've chatted with you a bit..you kinda gave me the impression you would not back down and do what's expected after so long, which is to not do PvP, but not stop at any cost and fight the PPUs, and find ways to kill them....... without exploits anyway.
Listen man, I'm not saying I think what I'm saying is right, but don't YOU think it would be more worth it if you snuffed out those that make the game less fun?
Think about it a bit...I know you quit PvP because it's become boring for you. But wouldn't you prefer to fight to make it become less boring?
The more people that stop PvP, the more boring this game will become, and that is my belief. Whether it is right or not, is not up to me, but up to fate and the future to decree.
gimmie some of ur crack8|
The mineral you seek is not of the white substance that looks similar to flour or sugar, but it is that which is inside one's own mind... =P
Do you want me to get MORE cryptic? Don't ask for my 'crack'. You'll just make me become temporarily more eccentric than I normally am. =P
Edit: Seriously though...I think tonight I realized something very interesting. And it makes me saddened... for the people that could help make this game better are slowly and surely slipping away...
KidWithStick
22-10-03, 02:43
Originally posted by Kenjuten
The mineral you seek is not of the white substance that looks similar to flour or sugar, but it is that which is inside one's own mind... =P
Do you want me to get MORE cryptic? Don't ask for my 'crack'. You'll just make me become temporarily more eccentric than I normally am. =P
Edit: Seriously though...I think tonight I realized something very interesting. And it makes me saddened... for the people that could help make this game better are slowly and surely slipping away...
its because were fed up with the bullshit...its one thing after another...
*starts wit the matrix scene in zion with morph*
NEOCRON HEAR ME!
LETS ALL REFUSE TO PLAY AS MONKIES AND REROLL TO MELEE TANKS!
:D
yeah ok well i can understand ur point tho; i am a die hard monk and i hate how so many peopel are monks now... i liked being special... now i'm a grain in billions like me... sux... so i r melee tank now.
"WOnna hire a PPU"
"You don't want to hire yourself as a PPU"
"I don't want to hire myself as a PPU"
"You want to log out and reroll to a meelee tank"
"I want to go home and reroll roll to a meelee tank"
Sorry couldn't resist so many of these dam posts here now.
Change Para, problem solved.....
PvP= Paraspam Damage boost, Yur fucked. Next victim please.
Total waste of time.
Not only that, If yur 1v1 with a PPU. The PPU will kick yur ass then hack yur shit.
Originally posted by KidWithStick
the other day when PIMP was fighting SS over syncon, cyclon ran around for like 5 mins trying to rez his people, while all 7 or so of us were pounding on him non stop, and yes, one of oru APU's was doing nothing but non stop anti buffing him...
cyclon is good, he eventually gave up and typed out, oh well...ill leave now... and ran to the GR and just GRed away...
i think that kinda means somthing about a problem...
No shit!
Bring some melee tanks to the fight.. good bye PPU.
[TgR]KILLER
22-10-03, 11:31
we'v stopped doing OP wars or anything realy a few of the members even left because of Monkocron.. and we'r just not PvPing anymore.. only way to do pvp now is find somebody leveling alone and kill and then run as fast as u can before 3 PPUs turn up..
lommed to hack.. gonna make some cash.. i'm a gimp now but who cares.. still outrange WBs even with low wep.. dont need to aim "fast" haha
Originally posted by Archeus
Bring some melee tanks to the fight.. good bye PPU.
Most PPUS have all there dex in aglity, they see a melee tank, they para-spam dmg boost and run away.
The melee tansk thunderstorm does nothign to anyone especially not PPU monks.
As long as para shock can be spamed then all para weapons should be un-nerfed.
Then we can all play in slow motion, like the matrix, it might even improve my aim :)
*points to above*
totally; now i show up at anyfight and the enemy ppu just paraspams me... thats all they ever do...
Yes, currently the Monk class is unbalanced with respect to the other classes, but as someone pointed out earlier they're just the latest in the list. In the past both Tanks and Hybrids have completely ruled in PvP situations. The way it's going the monks are going to get another harsh pounding with the nerf bat the way the others did, and the PEs are going to be the uber-class (They're a lot more effective than people think). At which point there'll be a large number of kiddies rerolling to PE so they can keep "pwning" people with the least amount of effort and skill, then brag about how "ubar" they are to try to boost their low self-esteem.
Personally I really can't be bothered with it all - it's never going to be truly blanced, and this will keep happening ad nauseum. That's why all but one of my 5 characters wear LEs.
Shock.
I don't PVP at the moment ...... I'm happy levelling PVM. My only experiences of PVP have been being shot in the back and hitting the floor.
But what TGR said above sounded interesting ......... could it be possible that people are going to gimp their pure combat characters and make interesting characters ?
Are characters on Pluto going to begin to have more than ONE dimension ?
Will there now be more than one tradeskiller available in Plaza because all those characters now have a useful skill ?
Will the drop in specialisation bring KK around to dropping the requirement to specialise ? Would this be a benefit if they did if everyone was happy being semi gimped ?
Could the RP suddenly appear in this MMORPG as more players interact ?
I see that everyone has issues and to please everyone is almost impossible , but having interesting characters would be nice.
Don't flame me , this is just a random series of thoughts whilst at work ...... I'll probably read this tonight and hide in a corner:D
i agree but i am being hypocritical becuase i use my monk more than any other char, becuase to beat the monks you have to be a monk.
last night we went to fight against TT/CM at jeriko as we set off running towards tyron i stopped and counted we had 4 PPU's and 5 APU's oh and a spy (no idea what he was doing there)
as we approached tyron we got the jeriko is under attack warning so we turned and ran back to jeriko.
once at jeriko we had a 30 man brawl for nearly an hour, not becuase people died and returned but becuase we had 4/5 PPU's and the opposition had about the same or slightly more PPU's.
this was one of the shittiest fights ive ever been in, i personaly died 17 times on my APU last night each time i was dead for no longer than 5 seconds, it was the same on both sides though.
I killed the same TT guy 9 times, god knows how many times others killed him aswell.
in total last night estimating the jeriko battle.
12 PPU's
15 APU's
2 PE's
1 SPY
and a tank or two.
Maybe we should just release skill points of all monks and make then all go hybrid or APU becuase the PPU's really are destroying the game.
Andy
p.s i am teh hypocritic i have just started levelling a ppu.
pps when in NAT and the begining of ND, we used to slag off our main rival clan (a CA one now TG and good allies) becuase they all had a PPU a APU a TANK and a hacking SPY. i think 95% of NC has this same setup but maybe a PE instead of a tank
Original monk
22-10-03, 12:14
i dunno anymore: should i laugh or should i cry :/
ghandi: 2 bad ya wonna leave because of that 1 spell and the overpopulation on monks, its not that everyone has 4 monks on he's account but still alot off people play only with there monk ... dont think this is caused cause the monk is overpowered, the rest is underpowered yeah (and a monk is a master in specialization being either heal or attack, they forced us to specialize actually -hybrid nerf/kill cough- )... and yeah as soon as the monks are nerfed all the wonnabe L337 people will yust reroll there monk to the class that "owns" at that moment... on that part i 100% agree with shockwave's wise words (not being sarcastic).
gl anyway ghandi
to kenjuten: i like the way ya speak lol: the mineral you seek ... :P
...dont ask me for my "crack" :) post some more man :P all this cryptic stuff is cool and it makes ya think hehe
cu all online fo the good o the bad
Original monk
22-10-03, 12:16
Originally posted by stigmata
Maybe we should just release skill points of all monks and make then all go hybrid or APU becuase the PPU's really are destroying the game.
p.s i am teh hypocritic i have just started levelling a ppu.
yeah release em and make hybrids viable again, this means that they do more then 15 damage on a tank or sumthing and heal faster with holy heal then a tl 3 heal :P
weird how it has become, first they all want the hybrids away ... then KK kills the hybrids ... now they want the PPU's away ... and want the hybrids back :P
My bet is that the next nerf cry is going to be for APU's :P or maybe even PE's if they keep getting non stop KK love, no way i ever reroll my chars to sumthing else: maybe a hybrid back yeah, but never a PE, PE's are good for people that yust start out to learn the game a bit more yeah :)
youre not hypocritic leveling a ppu, then you will know how hard it is to level a pure ppu and how expensive :)
better make an apu and lom to ppu, it will safe you shitloads of time :)
gl with youre ppu hehe
youre not hypocritic leveling a ppu, then you will know how hard it is to level a pure ppu and how expensive
better make an apu and lom to ppu, it will safe you shitloads of time
gl with youre ppu hehe
ive had the ppu for just over 2 weeks i levelled him from scratch as a ppu with a mate and then went to caves and teamed with other mates.
im at base psi 82 and 71 int, strangely enough my int is only 11 levels below my psi capped APU :(
in reference to the hybrid comment i made, i dont mean to restore hybrids to the old state where they kill everyone and everything, i mean to a decent level where they heal effectively and still attack with a decent amount of force.
maybe limit the hybrids to being a blessed hybrid using beams only ?
Currently OP wars are coming down to who has the most ppu's, and one clan fighting 4 factions aint gonna have more ppu's if you know what i mean
Andy
Problem is KK seem to take wopping big steps all the time. If they just got rid of Paraspam.{small steps} We can then see how that works out, an go from there.
Problem is KK seem to take wopping big steps all the time. If they just got rid of Paraspam.{small steps} We can then see how that works out, an go from there
parashock means nothing when there are 9 PPU's all shocking each other and they all have cath sanctum up, the problem is everyone in the game seems to feel the need to only fight if they have 4+ ppu's with them
Andy
Originally posted by stigmata
parashock means nothing when there are 9 PPU's all shocking each other and they all have cath sanctum up, the problem is everyone in the game seems to feel the need to only fight if they have 4+ ppu's with them
Andy
Yeh I know mate what you mean mate. I'm just sugestin a small adjustment for a change, an see how it works out. Instaed of the huge changes they often make, that has everybody rerolling or scoffing down LOMs.
[TgR]KILLER
22-10-03, 13:26
Originally posted by stigmata
, the problem is everyone in the game seems to feel the need to only fight if they have 4+ ppu's with them
Andy
not everybody.. but when like half of them think that way.. the other half can't fight them because they will be facing 4 PPUs with like nothing.. we'v found most of our fights without or just 1 PPU for a whole group of ppl..
still remember the time when we drove a apu / ppu team up an TH app and we ( me a low level pistol pe a rifle spy and pistol spy ) wasted them when they came back down.. nobody of us died :D
Originally posted by stigmata
maybe limit the hybrids to being a blessed hybrid using beams only ?
Andy
my thoughts exactly
*looks at story* Hey wasn't the tank meant for uberness? :wtf:
Anywayz, its out of control, further out of control when tanks ruled the game in PvP, cause tanks died, 2 PE's against a tank and the tank would loose, which is not the case with ppu / apu teams.
afaik in beta 4 the balance was better, altho tanks where the strongest, it was just a bit. a tank not setup right would loose from a PE that was setup right, even spys had a chance.
All characters could do PvP back then, and the tank had a little advantage, which is only fair cause he can't do any form of tradeskill which a monk and spy can do, and even a PE can choose to do tradeskills if he gets bored with fights, tell that to a tank who gets bored of fights.
I didn't say bring a tank. I said bring a few tanks.
PPUs tend not to have good melee defense (or piercing protection) and a couple of tanks whacking on them with varied attacks does wonders for dropping.
Paraspam? I am starting see contridictions. First people are saying "OMG OMG THE PPU JUST STANDS THERE WHILE WE ALL ATTACK!!" then it's "OMG WE CANT HIT THE PPU AS THEY MOVE AND PARASPAM".
I'd like to see a good PPU taking on a couple of melee tanks that are spinning around them. Like to see them get a lock easy. Especially if they have drugs kicking in to block the para.
Can't be done? then why are there at least two melee tank clans that I know of currently owning in op wars?
looks at story* Hey wasn't the tank meant for uberness?
read the story again. they were meant for mass production cheap replacable soliders. They won because of numbers, not because they were good fighters.
Jesterthegreat
22-10-03, 15:41
bring on Spy'o'cron!
Yeh beta4. The weapons were only as good, as the constructor that made them, back then.
I think the move to speciallistion really fucked things up balance wise.
Put the caps back on the skills.
Originally posted by Archeus
I didn't say bring a tank. I said bring a few tanks.
PPUs tend not to have good melee defense (or piercing protection) and a couple of tanks whacking on them with varied attacks does wonders for dropping.
Paraspam? I am starting see contridictions. First people are saying "OMG OMG THE PPU JUST STANDS THERE WHILE WE ALL ATTACK!!" then it's "OMG WE CANT HIT THE PPU AS THEY MOVE AND PARASPAM".
I'd like to see a good PPU taking on a couple of melee tanks that are spinning around them. Like to see them get a lock easy. Especially if they have drugs kicking in to block the para.
Can't be done? then why are there at least two melee tank clans that I know of currently owning in op wars?
read the story again. they were meant for mass production cheap replacable soliders. They won because of numbers, not because they were good fighters.
PPUs skill all of their stength into resist force, and have Holy Deflector. Hardly crap piercing protection. :rolleyes:
And the story is open to interpretation. At no point does it explicitly state that tanks were technically poor fighters and simply available in large numbers. If you want to go entirely by the story then fair enough, we'll nerf ppu defence because they're not mentioned in the story, we'll nerf PE defence because they're supposed to be average citizens, and we'll give spies uber psi powers because they're supposed to be the second best psi users. :rolleyes:
Original monk
22-10-03, 15:43
Originally posted by stigmata
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im at base psi 82 and 71 int, strangely enough my int is only 11 levels below my psi capped APU :(
in reference to the hybrid comment i made, i dont mean to restore hybrids to the old state where they kill everyone and everything, i mean to a decent level where they heal effectively and still attack with a decent amount of force.
maybe limit the hybrids to being a blessed hybrid using beams only ?
thats some nice leveling ya did over there, but the fun part is still to come :P from 90 to 100 hehe
and i fully understand youre hybrid comment and yeah i think youre a 100% right on that point: dont bring em back to the old state but indeed let em atleast use a DECENT blessed heal (i mean the healingpower of a blessed heal) and a decent beam or sumthing from that strenght, maybe its yust to hard to make a hybrid balanced, i dunno ... after all the spysuit couldnt have pc and rc at the same time so who knows what other weird factors are involved in balancing hybrids :)
SigmaDraconis
22-10-03, 15:48
I havnt seen a new topic on this forum in 3 months....
get rid of para....
fix sniping...and the APU's will be fuxxed...
dont make cannons slow tanks down so much !
its not fair....screw the instant lock reticle..screw the massive damage..screw the indirect fire...its the fucking 19087509237 mph movement speed a monk can maintain while runcasting all his spells. APU get the best of both(all) worlds with the exception of defense...and even that isnt half bad considering monk armour is the best in the game and they get more resists then spies.
I think APU is ok as it is, its the PPU being way overpowered when casted on them (and parashock), making them basicly invinsible thats the problem.
Maybe reducing the PPU strength when casted on other to 5% of what it is now might fix it, so it gives just a slight edge in PVP and doesnt make you godlike.
I remember several Neofrag duels in Beta4. I was convinced that spies were gimped beyond belief, so I challenged a Capped PA wearing Raygun Cannon (remember when they were 'TEH UBER?') tank to a dual. I had a 4 Slotted Black Sun (*waves at the long departed Coda V'toi*) and we dueled. No suprise, we stood face to face and dueled. I was convinced in my mind that I would drop like a stone.
(This was JUST after the much hated patch that made tanks slow down when they had a HC gun drawn by the way)
I danced, I dodged, I ducked, I weaved. Little specks of plasma dotted the Tanks mighty armour. I died. It was close.
I'm not sure what has changed, but now-days a Spy has NO chance against a Tank and even less against a PPU...
I remember the days when CoLdFuZiOn successfully PKed with a pistol spy (Oh the fun I had trying to kill FuZiOn...) I remember when Ying (Sid) rolled a pistol Tank and cleaned out the military base in several seconds. Now days its cookie cutter, spec'd characters or "press mouse button 2 to select a GR."
What went wrong...
Shadow Dancer
22-10-03, 18:02
Originally posted by Archeus
Bring some melee tanks to the fight.. good bye PPU.
rofl
Can we get some ppus with actual pvp experience please? Anybody?
Disturbed021
22-10-03, 18:59
Originally posted by KidWithStick
the other day when PIMP was fighting SS over syncon, cyclon ran around for like 5 mins trying to rez his people, while all 7 or so of us were pounding on him non stop, and yes, one of oru APU's was doing nothing but non stop anti buffing him...
cyclon is good, he eventually gave up and typed out, oh well...ill leave now... and ran to the GR and just GRed away...
i think that kinda means somthing about a problem...
7 of you couldn't take down one PPU?
I can honestly say I haven't had that problem.
I've been to several OP battles that end with just one PPU left and if they stick around to try to rez anyone they are dead in a matter of seconds.
Generally they run like hell to the GR if we keep Para on them and constant fire and debuff they drop just short of the GR....they definetly don't leasurely walk to the GR typing o_O
They only time we haven't been able to kill a single PPU at an OP battle we either didn't paraspam them or missed on the debuffs.
To the original topic, I was a 1337 Hybrid when they had them...the best way to fix the Hybrid problem was to up the Req on the Holy Spells and/or have a cap on how much APU/PPU you can have combined. It was said many times by ppl including myself.
KKs response was to totally kill off the viability of Hybrids (altho there are a couple out there) and split the Monks into 2 classes making them totally dependant upon eachother. They basically forced team play. PPUs make your team soo much better, which is fine, but the only way to kill a PPU is with an APU. So you are forced to have PPUs so you have great buffs, heals and can be resurrected and are forced to have APUs to counter the other teams PPUs...well duh that turned this game into Monkocron.
I personally hate being Para shocked too. You go from running around causeing havoc to a f00kin turret.
Up the PSI cost a little and lower the stun effect of the Holy Para slightly and I think we will all be able to fight more reasonable at OP battles again.
AS a bonus give spies a way to debuff as well. It could be like a hack tool of somekind that you have to run up to the target to debuff them or a rare drone that blows up and debuffs everything whithin a few meters of the drone.
ghandisfury
22-10-03, 20:20
Originally posted by Shadow Dancer
rofl
Can we get some ppus with actual pvp experience please? Anybody?
Yes, I "think" I have sufficiant exp......melee damage is shit. Help at all?
"Up the PSI cost a little and lower the stun effect of the Holy Para slightly and I think we will all be able to fight more reasonable at OP battles again.
AS a bonus give spies a way to debuff as well. It could be like a hack tool of somekind that you have to run up to the target to debuff them or a rare drone that blows up and debuffs everything whithin a few meters of the drone."
No, don't give anybody anymore debuff weapons. PPUs are fine as they are. It's the three spells that kill PvP (parashock/damage boost/resserection). Once these are fixed, PPUs will truely be balanced.
Disturbed021
22-10-03, 22:08
Originally posted by ghandisfury
No, don't give anybody anymore debuff weapons. PPUs are fine as they are. It's the three spells that kill PvP (parashock/damage boost/resserection). Once these are fixed, PPUs will truely be balanced.
Funny, u say PPUs are fine but that 3 of their main spells are not?o_O
What are you saying needs to be changed? You say Para sux...well ya para elminates half the skill involved in PvP, lessen the shock effect and charge more PSI per use (would help there).
I'm saying if you allow classes other than APUs to debuff PPUs that PPUs will be slightly easier to kill thus maybe changing the dependancy on APUs and PPUs which you said in your original post pisses you off to have 1201920192019219209 monks at OP wars. But then you say NO to that o_O wtf are you on about? Sounds like you are pissy and just need a break tbh.
ghandisfury
22-10-03, 22:31
Originally posted by Disturbed021
Funny, u say PPUs are fine but that 3 of their main spells are not?o_O
NO, I said PPU defences are fine as they are...I also find it interesting you say "three of their main spells" but you forget shelter, deflector, heal, hazard buff, melee buff, spie buff, rifle buff, antipoison sanctum, holy cat sanctum........need I go on??? Because I can. Why is it that when anybody calls for a nerf, they call for a nerf of heals, shelters, deflectors but keep quiet about the real problems which are parashock, damage boost, and resserection?
Originally posted by Disturbed021
What are you saying needs to be changed? You say Para sux...well ya para elminates half the skill involved in PvP, lessen the shock effect and charge more PSI per use (would help there).
I am saying that parashock needs to be removed, damage boost changed, and a counter needs to be added for resserection. I never said that "para eliminates half the kill involved in PvP" I said it removes ALL skill in PvP. Reducing the effects and increasing cast cost only makes another useless rare in an endless rare pool.....just remove it.
Originally posted by Disturbed021
I'm saying if you allow classes other than APUs to debuff PPUs that PPUs will be slightly easier to kill thus maybe changing the dependancy on APUs and PPUs which you said in your original post pisses you off to have 1201920192019219209 monks at OP wars.
Take notice that you offer no suggestion to fix the *actual* problem. You want to kill the PPU easily, not alter or remove the spells that define his unbalance. Besides this obvious point giving other classes debuff weapons does not make them *mandatory* in OP battles because the APU can do it better, faster, and easier.
Originally posted by Disturbed021
But then you say NO to that o_O wtf are you on about? Sounds like you are pissy and just need a break tbh.
I said that making the PPU killable by a small team does not fix the problem, it only pricks the PPU. Don't prick the PPU, fix the spells that unbalance him.
I am pissy....which is *why* I took a break.
KidWithStick
22-10-03, 22:42
Originally posted by Shockwave
Yes, currently the Monk class is unbalanced with respect to the other classes, but as someone pointed out earlier they're just the latest in the list. In the past both Tanks and Hybrids have completely ruled in PvP situations.
is that was true then how come tanks never got nerfed? they never got boosted either...but never nerfed? because
a) they were genetically designed for combat
b) they wernt overpowered
the only thing that made people mad was that there was just alot of tanks...but theres only 4 classes...one of them is going to have more people than the others.
KidWithStick
22-10-03, 22:44
Originally posted by Disturbed021
7 of you couldn't take down one PPU?
I can honestly say I haven't had that problem.
I've been to several OP battles that end with just one PPU left and if they stick around to try to rez anyone they are dead in a matter of seconds.
Generally they run like hell to the GR if we keep Para on them and constant fire and debuff they drop just short of the GR....they definetly don't leasurely walk to the GR typing o_O
They only time we haven't been able to kill a single PPU at an OP battle we either didn't paraspam them or missed on the debuffs.
for one cyclone is good...
for 2 there were cath sancs up, so paraspamming/poisin had no effect...
and also were not a clan thats to fancy about paraspaming people...
Shadow Dancer
22-10-03, 23:19
Originally posted by KidWithStick
and also were not a clan thats to fancy about paraspaming people...
I'm gonna hafta agree. It really annoyed me to ask my own ppus to paraspam the ppus on the opposing side(especially since they did it) and to recieve " sorry I don't paraspam" as a response. :rolleyes:
Disturbed021
22-10-03, 23:40
Originally posted by ghandisfury
NO, I said PPU defences are fine as they are...I also find it interesting you say "three of their main spells" but you forget shelter, deflector, heal, hazard buff, melee buff, spie buff, rifle buff, antipoison sanctum, holy cat sanctum........need I go on??? Because I can. Why is it that when anybody calls for a nerf, they call for a nerf of heals, shelters, deflectors but keep quiet about the real problems which are parashock, damage boost, and resserection?
Yes please go on :p I've played PPUs I know what spells they have thx.
If you play a PPU do you not have HP in your QB? Do you not have DB in your QB? Do you not use both at OP fights a lot unless given the task to heal/buff specific individuals? Those 2 spells are extremely important to a PPU. (@KWS I can understand not wanting to Paraspam ppl, but after I have been killed numerous times that way I gave up and have no problems using it now. It is a spell that is in the game and until it is taken out it can be used).
Don't get me wrong I am not disagreeing with you that there is a problem but I do not want to see any class nerfed again, especially not have spells taken away from them.
I have complained about electric shock since I have been playing, i f00kin hate it, a few months ago I gave up complaining about it. Its obvious they will not remove them, so I say they need to weaken the HP a little.
Not sure what you see wrong with DB. Imo its not the DB that kills you its the fact that you're glued to the floor while DBd that kills you. So again weaken HP and req more PSI per cast.
I couldn't agree with you more on rezing. They need to change this. I really hate killing 6-7 ppl then find out a PPU rezzed them 10 mins later while we were fighting elsewhere in the OP. Hell I have suggested getting ride of it all together in the past and was flamed all to hell. Imo, if someone dies the PPU failed and should have to rez within like 1 minute or the body disappears and the person is forced to pick a GR.
Anyways, I hope you're enjoying your break from NC and when you come back will enjoy the game again.
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