Not happy with the weapon selection

[Alex Mars]

I have become very dissastified with the weapon selection offered in this game. My main is a low-tech rifle PE and my choices are basically down to having only one option for any range of DEX of the character. I'm using the Gatlin Rifle, which is not a bad gun to be sure, but there is nothing else to use unless I want to gimp myself and go back down the weapons list to a lower TL weapon. They need to introduce some more weapons at each TL breakpoint or at different breakpoints so we have some choices. Right now it is "your DEX is between 62 and 78? Here is your Gatlin Rifle, you will use this until DEX 79 when you will again have only one option to choose from for a weapon".

[Thundra]

there currently reworking the tl of the guns. comeing up with ideas and the lists made so far look a lot more friendly.

i highly suggest however u make a tc PE tho as u get a much better range of weapons

[Mirco]

I say slab R-C and P-C skills together, making a skill called Small/medium arms combat. SMAC for short so runners can use both rifles and pistols. Also RCL should give 50% pistolcombat so droners get some fun to. KOS specialisation. These suggestions are just dreams of course and will never happen, but without ones dreams, what are you really?

[Alex Mars]

Originally posted by Thundra
there currently reworking the tl of the guns. comeing up with ideas and the lists made so far look a lot more friendly.

i highly suggest however u make a tc PE tho as u get a much better range of weapons

I know the TC guns are better, but I am that cursed thing: a generalist. I hate to over-specialize, in most games it doesn't restrict my choices of weapons. My PE implants and can drive a Rhino (my gunner is tired of getting shot off the back of the chaincraft and refuses to get on the APC), and can recycle to replenish his ammo and medkits (I'm resigned to being a gimp in PvP when I get to a high enough level to go to OP wars).

[trigger hurt]

it's not so bad really.

Back before I rerolled my last pe, I had a 5 slot tangent gatlin. I had to make several batches of 50 to get it, but I also ended up with a couple 4 slotters to hunt with.

But to the point, specializing in low tech, you can spare some points to recy and drive. Plus, if you can get a decent slotted rifle, you can get close to rof and damage cap and that gatlin with capped stats will rip through an apu like butter.

[Alex Mars]

Originally posted by trigger hurt
it's not so bad really.

Back before I rerolled my last pe, I had a 5 slot tangent gatlin. I had to make several batches of 50 to get it, but I also ended up with a couple 4 slotters to hunt with.

But to the point, specializing in low tech, you can spare some points to recy and drive. Plus, if you can get a decent slotted rifle, you can get close to rof and damage cap and that gatlin with capped stats will rip through an apu like butter.

Don't get me wrong, I know that the Gatlin Rifle is an effective weapon (although I think the magazine capacity is a bit small and it takes a geological epoch to reload), I'd just like the option to use an effective long range semi-automatic rifle once in a while.

[trigger hurt]

well, with all int points in wep lore, my pain easer could hit just inside clipping distance with no scope...all 3 shots would hit too
so, eh

[StryfeX]

Originally posted by trigger hurt
well, with all int points in wep lore, my pain easer could hit just inside clipping distance with no scope...all 3 shots would hit too
so, eh I've *never* gotten all shots to hit consistently with *any* weapon, let alone a high-ender like the PE. But Alex, you're completely right. At the very least, Sniper Rifles should be lowtech (like they should have been FROM THE FUCKING BEGINNING! :mad: )

They need to make WAY more lowtech rifles. Gauss Rifle or Railgun Rifle sound good. :D The Gauss Rifle would give us some AOE, too. Finally.

--Stryfe

Ok, the Railgun Rifle should probably be high-tech. So sue me. :p

[Alex Mars]

I'd settle for a Barrett .50 cal sniper rifle.

[greploco]

>i highly suggest however u make a tc PE tho as
>u get a much better range of weapons

depends, if variety is what you like - this is true

otherwise stay lowtech for the extra damage

[greploco]

rare shotgun is on it's way and one of the epic rewards will be an assault rifle

[SigmaDraconis]

Thats why i will always prefer spies over PE's...at high end you get the best selection of any class...except maybe an APU...

for instance you have your SH for extreme sniping..and either FL or Dis...which is ok for midrange sniping..FL is pretty good up close aswell if you have decent aim%....then tho its only TL93 the PE is really effective and the most flexable gun of any class(again except for APU's) Pistols are similar, RoLH and lib combination is rather effective.

[Rizzy]

if they ever brought out the tsunami epic this problem would be solved. Its a tl 75 assault rifle that would probably only be a tiny bit worse then the pain easer as epic items tend to be equivalent to a gun with a techlevel of about 85

[Original monk]

Originally posted by Mirco
I say slab R-C and P-C skills together, making a skill called Small/medium arms combat. SMAC for short so runners can use both rifles and pistols. Also RCL should give 50% pistolcombat so droners get some fun to. KOS specialisation. These suggestions are just dreams of course and will never happen, but without ones dreams, what are you really?

hehe i think there not that bad idea's (there actually very good idea's :P) altough i guess you are right and that those idea's stay dreams, dont think KK can handle that big of a change :)

[Spy<VS>Spy]

well, no offence but i would like to point out that as far as to my knowledge NO game, of any genre has anywhere near the weapon variety level as neocron...now, i'm not saying anything on weapon usefulness, just the variety of them.

Almost every weapon known to man kind is in the game for your use.

flame throwers, knifes, sword, brass knuckles, tasers...

to automatic pistols, singles, uzi's. rockets, fusion, plasma...

we have rifles, we have cannons. we have fucking granade launchers, granades themselves. sniper rifles.

psi spells, laser guns, laser swords, gatlins. Anti vehicle, anti air missles...

i mean fuck...we have a bloody nail gun...if you hurt yourself with it as a kid, neocron has it, from baseball bats to bloody raygun cannons...neocron covers all the bases...

the only thing we are missing is the land mines and trip mines, and technicly they already made em for the game they just aint out yet.

[Alex Mars]

well, no offence but i would like to point out that as far as to my knowledge NO game, of any genre has anywhere near the weapon variety level as neocron...now, i'm not saying anything on weapon usefulness, just the variety of them.

I guess you need to get out more. There is a better selection in all three of the games that might be considered competition to NC; WWIIOL, Anarchy Online, and PlanetSide all offer more weapons to choose from and the skill system allows a single character to use more than one choice of weapon at a given level.

In addition, that is totally irrelevant to my point, I was talking about the selection of weapons available to a low-tech PE. As you missed the point I'll restate it for those who were asleep at the back of the class: at this time in the game of Neocron there is one weapon you can use for a given level of DEX.

[joran420]

Alex so u saying you should have all guns repeated with different TL?(eg TL 1 nailgun, TL 25 Nail gun, TL 45 nailgun, etc.) I dont know if thats what u asking for....or u asking for a PE to be able to use the cannons tanks use....I think they have a bunch of weapons....but your right at any given lvl there is one weapon per class that is the best..

.[edit] besides with mods and slots .... I would say there are prolly 20 different varieties of the speed gun u using

[StryfeX]

Ok, let me spell this out for you guys. Low tech rifles have a total of *4* lines of weapons to choose from, and only ONE of those lines have non-rare versions over TL 50. Not to mention that out of 4 lines, only *1* of them has a rare weapon.

Hi-Tech rifles have 7 lines, all of which have non-rare versions over TL 50 and *ALL* of which have rare versions as well.

Get with the program people. Low-tech weapons suck donkey balls for variety and it needs to be fixed.

--Stryfe

[Spy<VS>Spy]

Originally posted by Alex Mars
I guess you need to get out more. There is a better selection in all three of the games that might be considered competition to NC; WWIIOL, Anarchy Online, and PlanetSide all offer more weapons to choose from and the skill system allows a single character to use more than one choice of weapon at a given level.

In addition, that is totally irrelevant to my point, I was talking about the selection of weapons available to a low-tech PE. As you missed the point I'll restate it for those who were asleep at the back of the class: at this time in the game of Neocron there is one weapon you can use for a given level of DEX.

you have to be joking, never played AO, but planet side and WWIIOL weapon select is the shit, like 3 pistols, 3 rifles, 1 heavy and a few things that fires some sorta rocket...

oh, and 1 knife...again, as far as TYPES...neocron has the most, period, fecking count them already. i do it for neocron but i dont have that long.

[BlackPrince]

How about this, as far as viable weapons choices go for combat, Neocron has a limited selection. In Planetside, for instance, I can't think of a single weapon that I would classify as 'worthless' except maybe the Vanu pistol, its like a flashlight. Other than that, every one of those weapons is viable in the right hands.

[StryfeX]

AO has weapons out the wazoo. I didn't play long enough to see whether they were any good, but they all looked decent at least.

Now as far as PvP goes, there's really only one good lowtech rifle and that's the Pain Easer. (I can't say anything about the Terminator since I've not played with it yet.)

--Stryfe