View Full Version : about GM's...(no this isnt a corruption thread)
KidWithStick
30-09-03, 07:41
i was just wondering....
you always seem to see GM's stating that there real life and work is getting in the way of them being able to do many things a GM is suppose to do...
i understand that being a GM is volunteer, what i dont understand is since they dont need to get paid, why not get a few more GM's on each server? im positive there are people who would volunteer to be a GM.
now i know that they say it takes up alot of time, but honostly if they had say...atleast 4 more GM's on each server, there wouldnt be so much work for just one GM to do. plus it will help with help requests times, and etc. personally since my account expires in a few days, and im getting a little bored of the game right now, i wouldnt mind volunteering to be a GM. it would give me somthing new to do in NC...since i seem to be logging in everyday only to log off 5 minutes later..:rolleyes:
so...how about getting atleast a few more GM's on all servers...well atleast english servers....i dont know how well the german/french server have things...
pleaseeeeeeee?
SilentGravity
30-09-03, 07:53
Its not like they are not accepting any more GM, get in contact with SnowCrash and get him to send you a application.
Good and trustworthy GMs don´t grow on trees, dude. It isn´t easy to find skilled guys and gals who are able to do this quite stressing job. We already had some who abused their powers instead of doing their job. This made us much more cautious in the selection of new GMs.
But you are right with the point that we are a bit low on u.s. gms. I already adressed that to my GM trial responsible and we will get in more u.s. gms in the next week. The other areas (europe etc.) are set up properly at the moment, so there is no need for reinforcements yet.
KidWithStick
30-09-03, 08:23
well...i know my reputation isnt that great...but if you need a GM id be glad to volunteer... i am trustworthy afterall....
Shadow Dancer
30-09-03, 08:30
Originally posted by KidWithStick
well...i know my reputation isnt that great...but if you need a GM id be glad to volunteer... i am trustworthy afterall....
:lol:
I feel the same way. I think I would be a good GM and i'm trustworthy, but i'm sure all the GMs frown on my past. :p
That's why I don't bother applying.
Originally posted by SnowCrash
The other areas (europe etc.) are set up properly at the moment, so there is no need for reinforcements yet.
Some ppl might disagree with this statement. O_o
Of course i wouldn't be one of them! :angel:
I's your forum history considerd when applying to be a GM ? o_O just uhh.... curious... when looking at my history on here... I do however do customer services and tech support for a living:)
If u need a GM from the UK, I won't mind (I know you said you are fine for Europe atm, but later you might want some one), and I think I am as trust worthy as they get, ask some one on Pluto who knows me (El Barto).
Jesus, you need to do an application to be a GM, not post on here begging to snowcrash
http://www.brynlomas-cecil.zen.co.uk/bigrolleyes.gif
The bad thing about being a GM would be that it is so time consuming, I know a couple of people that became GMs (a very long time ago) and didn't have any time to play the game with their friends like they used to before. Eventually it caused them to quit the game and GMing because they wern't enjoying it anymore. It takes a special person to be able to cope with everything I think.
From a GM to the community:
Just to get something "new" to do in NC is not the right intention of becoming a GM.
GM is not a further step in "playing" the game, it is a job and it is a hard job every day. It is hard to find a balance between this job and your reallife. And as Rizzy said, there will be not much time playing the game anymore.
And to become a GM needs more than just have played the game for a long time.
BTW to become a GM you need a good reputation, either ingame and the forum without any warnings and stuff like that.
Originally posted by Foucault
BTW to become a GM you need a good reputation, either ingame and the forum without any warnings and stuff like that.
Well ive got a goodun ingame :p but on the forums :lol: Thats different story :lol: you know you love me o_O why would I still be here :D
Originally posted by \\Fényx//
Well ive got a goodun ingame :p but on the forums :lol: Thats different story :lol: you know you love me o_O why would I still be here :D
Ignorance and acceptance through penetration. And we don't want to end our email-adresses on a porn-mailer and stuff like that. :P :)
Originally posted by Foucault
Ignorance and acceptance through penetration. And we don't want to end our email-adresses on a porn-mailer and stuff like that. :P :)
all i get from that post was that you mentioned porn and penetration :lol: teh funneh... *ahem* o_O
uh anyway... was that some kinda yoda quote or something ?o_O
A Yoda-quote or just a result of my bad english as a native german. :)
IMO GM's are masochists. All work and no pay/play make GM's an insane crew.
I hope the spawn button and the ability to kick/ban someone is worth it.
wuhahahahaha!
We are all maaaaaaaaad!!!!! wuhahahahaha
*grins evil and falls in a shallow laugh*
Step away from the drugs and walk away slowly please :wtf:
imagine they had a scale everyone starts on 100 points
every month you gain 10 points
every time you were reported for exploiting in game or abuse you loose one point. and at 300 you stand a chance of becoming a gm
that puts me on about -15000 atm :rolleyes:
Well, being a GM is not as bad as it sounds at the moment ;) and of course it's still possible to do this job AND to play your usual characters if you like. Most GMs spend about 2 hours every day on the servers and do their tickets - at least that's recommended :-) some of them do tickets for 8 hours without a pause...but that's your own decision. About 10 hours a week for GM stuff should be available, everything else is your choice but sometimes it's very quiet and there're not many tickets or other things to organise and sometimes it's really stressy and the ISS don't do anything else than tickets the whole day...that changes...
My personal reason why I became a GM is to work with so many different people from so many different countries. It's really cool in my eyes to be "friends" with people from America, Australia, UK, Germany, Denmark.....I like the international stuff.
Moreover, I love the community as long as it's fair ;)
Greetz,
Yashila [PR]
Personally the think I see GM's for is that when their visibly present and working on a server its like a morale boost, you know, ppl think theres something happening etc :) There does need to be some more, other than the odd event only time ive seen a GM is whenever ive needed one for a ticket, however 9 times outta 10 I make a ticket and never hear anything again about it...
Yeah, being a GM is nice too, right. Just like Yashila said.
Every mail with a "Thanks" or a message from the players that you solved their problem is just like a big pot of honey for us.
With this mails we get the power start over on the next day. :)
Oh and most fun is, when we neofrag with the players. 14 players against 2 GMs. :)
Originally posted by Foucault
Yeah, being a GM is nice too, right. Just like Yashila said.
Every mail with a "Thanks" or a message from the players that you solved their problem is just like a big pot of honey for us.
With this mails we get the power start over on the next day. :)
Oh and most fun is, when we neofrag with the players. 14 players against 2 GMs. :)
Aye I had a char on the test server that was setup as a GM ^^ 255 allround :D only while in neofrag tho o_O was a blast :D Ive also got a char there thats go soooo much cool shit on it from GM's etc, mines, spawned items, aload of collectables, but its a useless char as some git made all his subskills 0 while he's fully capped :rolleyes: :( good times..... lol
anyway.... yea.... I wanna do more live runs cause their kewl ^^
switchback
30-09-03, 15:03
My personal reason why I became a GM is to work with so many different people from so many different countries. It's really cool in my eyes to be "friends" with people from America, Australia, UK, Germany, Denmark.....I like the international stuff
if i could become one that would be one of my main reasons, allthough not being able to helpout your clannies if their OP is getting hacked would be a bit of a bummer, you would just have to sit there and hope they win without being able to do anything
you could get some great screenies from above the fighting though with invisiable mode on
Just to go back to the original poster's point, there is a shortage of response on uranus.
I've put reports in ingame and they haven't been answered in 2 days and I've just deleted them in the end.
This is not a dig at the GMs, but there is a need for more of you guys on Uranus. Even if to clear those reports. TBH i feel that people hardly use that process anymore because of the lack of replies. I think that the GMs we have do a good job and i've told whoever GM's i've met that.
Maybe you wrote ticketss about sympathie and soullight.
On these tickets the GMs don't work atm, because they hope it will be fixed with a patch, because there are a lot with that problems as far as I know.
Originally posted by El Barto
If u need a GM from the UK, I won't mind (I know you said you are fine for Europe atm, but later you might want some one), and I think I am as trust worthy as they get, ask some one on Pluto who knows me (El Barto).
I vouch 4 this guy :) hes a trust worthy guy..;)
I'll just say the following:
For the most part, anyone who wants to be a GM isn't suited to being one. Because they obviously don't know what kind of hellish job it is.
Originally posted by Foucault
Yeah, being a GM is nice too, right. Just like Yashila said.
Every mail with a "Thanks" or a message from the players that you solved their problem is just like a big pot of honey for us.
With this mails we get the power start over on the next day. :)
Oh and most fun is, when we neofrag with the players. 14 players against 2 GMs. :)
DAMN! I deteled the picture of me and my brother hammering you (Ok there were about 10 more people in NF at the time, but we were the only two when you *finally* died) :D
KidWithStick
30-09-03, 16:40
yes, i understand that it can be time consuming....what im trying to get at is if there were a few..as in like 3-4 new GM's in all servers, they wouldnt be so swamped with work, and would have less stress and more time to enjoy the game.
Originally posted by Legoias
DAMN! I deteled the picture of me and my brother hammering you (Ok there were about 10 more people in NF at the time, but we were the only two when you *finally* died) :D
REVENGE WILL BE MINE!!!!
*again the evil grin with laugh*
I'm assuming that you don't consider taking on GMs under 18?
Not that I'm under 18, honest. *looks shiftly*
Heh, i wouldnt trust me being a GM...90% of my time i'm nice and fair and stuff but the rest of the time i`m really drunk while playing and it might end in "/set kill_server 1" or something like that...:D
Originally posted by Yashila
Well, being a GM is not as bad as it sounds at the moment ;) [PR]
Need I point to the PE PA thread that Callash made?
Sure some people would weigh the benefits of being a GM, against being hated/sucked up by; turn to pathological depression - yet still it's a tough position no matter how you look at it. The damage to the mind still exists, you can't just go "Oh I don't care" when you're in that kind of a position. Most of your pre-requisites to even GET the job were based on the fact that you _have to_ "care". Now if you had special mental defences for your mind to process one from the other and simply reflect the bad rather than absorb it, then you can go and say the job is "fine".
You sure as hell ain't near that kind of mental setting if as your main liking of the GM position, you list "having friends from different countries" That benefit can only get you so far, and by "far" I don't mean anything longer than 5-10 years.
I wish you all luck though, you and any current/future GM. I sure as hell know you'll be needing it :p
SilentGravity
30-09-03, 20:57
Originally posted by Judge
I'm assuming that you don't consider taking on GMs under 18?
Not that I'm under 18, honest. *looks shiftly*
You need to be whatever the legal age is of an adult where you live, for you need to sign a NDA. This is most of the reason why you dont see GM's posting very much is because everything they say is taken as a statement from KK and they could A. Be wrong B. break NDA C. Be something that MJS does not want to be a offical statement (ie, "I find Tanks boring to play" or "I dont play on Uranus because it crashes to much") so pretty much everything they post they have to give it to someone like SnowCrash to make sure its free of any un-true info, NDA-breaking info and un-wanted info.
Yeah I thought as much. :(
Damn, sometimes being *cough* not under 18 *cough* is really annoying. No drink, no good money, no GM.... *sigh*
DarkPhoenix
30-09-03, 21:30
I wish I would get an email saying at least they got my application and read it... Its been like 2 months now I think. Even if I was not accepted and email would be nice.*hint hint*
:D
hehehe yeah; a friend of mine and i both sent stuff in a while back... oh well :D
Originally posted by Foucault
Oh and most fun is, when we neofrag with the players. 14 players against 2 GMs. :)
hrhr cant handle yourself alone??? :p j/k
Like Foucault said... Aplying to be a GM cause you want to do something new in NC will get a NO stamped on it right away...
in my opinion its not reason enough to be a GM, It is very fun :D :D (/me remembers the spawn's on Test Server hrhr)
but its also hard work =)
Originally posted by Carbonite
Aplying to be a GM cause you want to do something new in NC will get a NO stamped on it right away...
Yes, please tell that to more stupid people O.o
I put in an application way back when..so maybe this time :)
--Garm
I think that sig is a winner for the application (sorry I just had to)
KidWithStick
01-10-03, 00:28
carbonite....you need to get on pluto and give spectra260 his speedgat...:rolleyes:
its a no slotter BTW peoples....calm down:D
Ohhh? does GMs now replace my 0slot speedgun with slotted one? Last time when i asked i was told to send email and they told me that it wont be replaced :p IMO it sucks to get 0slot epic item. its useless and you cant make the epic agan.
Q`alooaith
01-10-03, 06:18
Originally posted by Garm
I put in an application way back when..so maybe this time :)
--Garm
:rolleyes:
So did I, nout yet, but then I'm in the UK and already enough GM's in that time zone.. though I'm upsiddown timezone wise (look at this post time), this is my afternoon/evening some night's...
though then no one would trust me to be a GM.. I'd not trust me to be a GM, I'd not trust me near any sharp object's over the holiday season, though that's anther matter..
10 hours a week? thats it? I could do that easy... 20 hours is doable too, and I could still play a decent amount. I doubt they would want me though, hehe. On the otherhand, I know a GM thats a pker, or at least was a gm, havnt seen him in a while. btw, he was a pker before I found out he was a GM.
so????
pking is part of the game. If they didn't want the game to have pkers they would not let you take your law chip out. Whatever a GM does on their own account and however they act doesn't have to be the same way they act on their GM account.
PKing is not forbidden, but exploiters will never become a GM. And these 10 hours are a minimum. Most of us do more that that. It is the same with FCs, "10 hours per week minimum", but you need more time to be a good FC.
The best payment we volunteers (GMs, Mods, FCs) get is a"thank you, you are doing a great job" from the players/community.
And for me it is the most fun deleting chairs we spawned for an event. *del* *del* *del* *del* soooo faaaast :D
And for me it is the most fun deleting chairs we spawned for an event. *del* *del* *del* *del* soooo faaaast
You need to get out more :p
NC + no life = GM :D
Naa you guys/gals doing a good job I mean you doing it for free so I cant complain :p
but KK grrrrrrr j/k :)
NC + life + CEO of a small company = GM
To make this up.
If
NC + no life = GM
NC + life + CEO = NC + no life -->
life + ceo = no life -->
life = (life + ceo) / no or
ceo = no life - life -->
ceo = (no-1) life
if we set no to zero as it is ment to be this will lead to the following.
ceo = -life
so being a ceo means negative life.
Having a godd life makes a bad ceo.
All this could made be up to semething different.
GM - NC = no life
life = (GM - NC) / no
NC + CEO + (GM - NC)/no = GM
NC + CEO + GM/no - NC/no = GM
GM/no - GM = NC/no - NC + CEO
GM - no GM = NC - no NC + no CEO
GM (1 - no) = NC - no (NC + CEO)
If we set no again to zero the rust will be as followed
GM = NC
So the result is that anybody can become a GM. :)
.... in theory. :)
:)
may i just say one thing
WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT ON ABOUT?
theres teh door stick your head out see what the real world is like
btw being ceo is fun at least i always think so just before i sell the company on again :)
OMG FIRE HIM MARTIN !!! HE SAID YOU HAVE NO LIFE BWAHAHAHAHA !!!
:p :D
It was the mathmatical prove that everyone can be a GM and that CEOs have no life. :)
Foucault:
:lol: for me that studdy college math atm I had a blast reading that :p
More math to the community :)
Jesterthegreat
01-10-03, 15:22
lol well i would be 100% willing to be a GM... i am a full time ICT / Network technician (i am used to peeps comin to me with problems, simple and hard)... i played since beta with no stops... i have capped near enough every kind of char (including my now 253 research skill resser [with lab+boost 3 :D])
anyone who knows me knows i am trustworthy... i have never been accused of any exploits etc (AFAIK O_o) and never got a game / forum ban (got a PM once about sig size... but thats it heh)
hell i would even be willing to GM another server (though uranus would be best as i know the situation there etc)
ah well ^.^
NC Junkie
Originally posted by Foucault
NC + life + CEO of a small company = GM
To make this up.
If
NC + no life = GM
NC + life + CEO = NC + no life -->
life + ceo = no life -->
life = (life + ceo) / no or
ceo = no life - life -->
ceo = (no-1) life
if we set no to zero as it is ment to be this will lead to the following.
ceo = -life
so being a ceo means negative life.
Having a godd life makes a bad ceo.
All this could made be up to semething different.
GM - NC = no life
life = (GM - NC) / no
NC + CEO + (GM - NC)/no = GM
NC + CEO + GM/no - NC/no = GM
GM/no - GM = NC/no - NC + CEO
GM - no GM = NC - no NC + no CEO
GM (1 - no) = NC - no (NC + CEO)
If we set no again to zero the rust will be as followed
GM = NC
So the result is that anybody can become a GM. :)
.... in theory. :)
:)
less math + more game improvment planning = good for you and the community
Originally posted by BlackDove
less math + more game improvment planning = good for you and the community
lol first time youve said something thats made sense :D ;)
hey i may not be good at math but i can do an equation!!!!!!!!1111111111111oneoeneoneoneone
after reading all these posts and long consideration. I will never be able to become gm.
Original monk
01-10-03, 15:50
Originally posted by Foucault
Oh and most fun is, when we neofrag with the players. 14 players against 2 GMs. :)
Last time i remember neofragging against GM's was a small group off tanks vs 2 GM's, no freeze etc allowed, i accidentaly yust walked by PP1 where they where standin and i got teamed in the "KILL-THE-GM's team" . The fight itself was real Fun altough i have to say honestly that me and rizzy (who also happend to be there) yust owned the 2 GM's LoL with all there capped this and capped that but 2 regular tanks owned em badly :P i think the other tanks in our group got bored hehe. and that was with a viperkingarmour in and only some inQ boots (vs FL and cs GM) . 2 bad i formatted my computer, and with that the 340 screenies i made off the fight :( now i cant prove my braggin :)
yust to say that not all GM's are so superpowerd in neofrag :)
unless they start with using there holy buffs etc ffcourse, but this was a clean honest fight and BIG fun :)
Ok ppl please stop spamming Snowcrash's Private Message Box...
If you want to aply then mail Jobs@neocron.com, thats where they should go not to Snow's PM Box ;)
10 hours a week?? pffft
try over 50 hours a week ;) hrhr thats how long i work with GM related stuff :p
Originally posted by Carbonite
;) hrhr thats how long i work with GM related stuff :p
Cmon carb.... your right hand isnt GM related stuff... man FIFTY HOURS 8| you must hurt after that..... RSI ? o_O
Becoming a GM is very much like swallowing the Red Pill or stepping through the looking glass. Once you step through it becomes incredibly hard to play the game and not be in 'GM' Mode to a greater or lesser degree. If you do apply to become a GM you should be prepared to accept that it is likely that your personal 'gameplay' will diminish as a result.
Prime requisites to be a successful GM are dedication and considerable patience, coupled with a reasonable knowledge of the game, and good communication skills.
Moon
QuantumDelta
02-10-03, 01:18
Moony, you still rock LoL
Carb ~~ Too much abuse? :p
Clothing_Option
02-10-03, 01:26
Originally posted by Shadow Dancer
:lol:
I feel the same way. I think I would be a good GM and i'm trustworthy, but i'm sure all the GMs frown on my past. :p
That's why I don't bother applying.
If hes a GM i quit
Clothing_Option
02-10-03, 01:32
Originally posted by Yashila
Well, being a GM is not as bad as it sounds at the moment ;) and of course it's still possible to do this job AND don't do anything else than tickets the whole day...that changes...
My personal reason why I became a GM is to work with so many different people from so many different countries. It's really cool in my eyes to be "friends" with people from America, Australia, UK, Germany, Denmark.....I like the international stuff.
Moreover, I love the community as long as it's fair ;)
Greetz,
Yashila [PR]
God damn right jack and if I were a GM i would spawn Hookers allover NC and the wastelands
Hookers Hookers Hookers Hookers Hookers Hookers everywhere hookers international hookers even
And these hookers would be like 90lvl and drop rares from their vaginas when you blasted them in the head and spit back poison at you. Thats right poison hooker MOBs ---how do i trade mark that?
GMing is great but you have to be willing to take the bad with the good - if you can't do that then you'll just become really quickly disallusioned and it'll ruin the game for you.
As long as you can accept the fact that for every compliment you get there will be one or more critisism, you'll be fine.
Also you have to work really, really, really hard. And if you don't send Snow protection money in a brown envelope every month he sends the boys for you.
Erm, did I say that last part out loud?
Clothing_Option
02-10-03, 01:37
Originally posted by Penzius
GMing is great but you have to be willing to take the bad with the good - if you can't do that then you'll just become really quickly disallusioned and it'll ruin the game for you.
As long as you can accept the fact that for every compliment you get there will be one or more critisism, you'll be fine.
Also you have to work really, really, really hard. And if you don't send Snow protection money in a brown envelope every month he sends the boys for you.
Erm, did I say that last part out loud?
Noob question friend---what the hell do they (GM) do exactly in NC
Originally posted by Penzius
And if you don't send Snow protection money in a brown envelope every month he sends the boys for you.
bet one of them is nidhogg.
please dont hit me.
That really depends on their position in the team.
I'm a member of the Event & Content Team. We work on bringing the storyline into the game, through new content, events and mini-quests and such.
60% of the work we (or at least I) do is out-of-game. Writing scripts, plans for events, bigger picture outlines - all to be sure that when we execute an event nothing goes wrong, and that we don't do anything that adversly effects the storyline.
Of course, the story is loose and while it may not seem it all the time - it does adapt based on the players which is why we're currently focused on increasing the roleplay elements of the game. In particular, giving the player real choice about what they do rather than just creating a path and putting up a fence so they can't wander off from it.
When I can I also help clear the in-game ticket queues.
For my part my GM-day is sometimes up to 12 hours depending on if it is patching day or not.
I also do the tech@neocron.com-tickets so I realy gott packed with work every day. But even with this I find some time to play.
But what comes with it is, that you are just playing to meet some friends again. Due to your knowledge as a GM you get lag of the fun of exploring the world and neocrons little secrets. If there will be anything new, you just know it and don't have to experience it with your char. So sometimes it gets realy boring.
On the other hand you have the benefit of your gm-knowledge you can use you play your char very skilled, makes you the secret weapon of your clan without even your clan knowing about it.
Sometimes it is realy hard to keep the informations you have for yourself, especially when you here some of your clanmates talking crap about any ingame issues but with some discipline it works.
To avoid any insults on abusing the GM-powers most GMs refuse to support on the servers they are activily playing on. That's how I make it and what is the best to it in my eyes.
Originally posted by Penzius
That really depends on their position in the team.
I'm a member of the Event & Content Team. We work on bringing the storyline into the game, through new content, events and mini-quests and such.
60% of the work we (or at least I) do is out-of-game. Writing scripts, plans for events, bigger picture outlines - all to be sure that when we execute an event nothing goes wrong, and that we don't do anything that adversly effects the storyline.
*blink*
*blink*
Neocron has a storyline? :p I hope you're new :D
Originally posted by BlackDove
*blink*
*blink*
Neocron has a storyline? :p I hope you're new :D
So that would be one of them critisism's right? gah must people always take a swing at the GM's?
For the most part every GM i have ever met has been really nice and tried to answer my questions about the game (that's not easy when 20 people are telling him to morph into a rat or a grim).
Gm's must really have stones to be able to stand and talk calmy when people are yelling at them to fix the bugs (GM's are not Dev's!) and have mega willpower to do the job on a daily basis.
Big thumbs up ya' all! :cool:
KidWithStick
02-10-03, 02:35
even though all the GM's are saying how hard and time consuming it is, i still dont think i wouldnt mind doing it... i would like to help people and stuff in the game, i already help alot of newbies all the time...kinda used to it:rolleyes:
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