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Ok, most of you probably know my opinions on this matter thus I will leave the opening post devoid of them and just give you the question.
Should rares be:
Rarer than they are already
Kept at their present state of rareness
Made less rare
Removed/Completely other system (implies less rare also)
I won't be able to argue for a while, as I'm posting this just before I have to bugger off to school. :(
i think its pretty nice now it lets a nice trade system work the trade nc channel really worked out for a lot of people and there is a good trading game inside the neocron game....
tell me y do u want it changed if u show ur opinion it might get me thinkin :P
A story always had 2 sides (2opinions if you hear only 1 side u cant decied now can you ? )
//GurT
ericdraven
29-09-03, 09:53
Keep it like it is.
I'm posting this just before I have to bugger off to school.
Hehe, denied.
Keep em the way they are
Diss.... lol you're not even playing the game atm man (or are you :eek: ). I can't remember what the rare situation was when you left but I think that it has changed since.
Its fine if you can afford to play over 2 hours per day but any lower than that and you are looking a spending a month equiping a character fully for PvP.
whats the point in making a vote when all the people who liked the old rare drop system has left because this really really realy really rare drop system, kk dont fucking undersand
when people have got bored off this game, if they are gona stay its for pvp, not camping monsters even more!
Dead Bodies
29-09-03, 19:05
I rember Back in the day when id kill a single warbot and pick 2 to 4 rares and 2 lvl 3 imps off a single warbot *sigh* those days are long gone .. granted that was a bit extreme everyone had 200+ rares in there possession wich made them Sort of a hassal to get .. i belive when you kill a 3 star monster (or hard one) you should atleast get ONE RARE make it worthwhile reccently i went out and i spent 12 HOURS huntign warbots (max str in dooing so) and i diddnt pick up a SINGLE RARE i got a exp headbone and 2 lvl 3 imps You should atleast be able to get one every time u kill then so we dont get discurged from dooing so becasue thats BULLSHIT if i spent 12 hours and diddnt get a single FREAKIN RARE.... Well theres my 2 cents.... *tip*(warbots have more of a drop than titans)
What I think really blows the most about the current system is that they penalize you for reaching a high rank, making good loot practically unattainable. My capped PE is pretty much useless for warbot farming anymore but his spy friends of lower ranks still get decent drops. And why should teams of hunters get less loot than solo players? Shouldn't people who go to the effort of teaming up get rewarded slightly better for their trouble? I go out with 2 other players and we rampage on warbots for hours and each of us come out with like 3-4 techs where in the same period I might get twice that many, farming solo.
If you want people to get bored and quit, KK, continue to give capped players crappy loot. When I whack 40 warbots over the course of an entire night of play, and I only get 2-5 techs of which 3 are crappy melee, slotenhancer, and spy rifles, and maybe 1-2 decent tradeable parts, that is not the right amount of reward for the effort. I would get the same crappy rate if I was farming Grims.
That's all I'm here for, is to acquire some pretty cool stuff and do a little PVP. At the current rate, I barely pay for my own ammo. Fix it or lose yet another player. I have about 6 friends in the same position, mostly capped chars, we like hunting and playing the game in general, but the rewards just aren't there. Last night I just gave up and started PKing any Tangents I found in the normal hunting spots, it was substantially more fun. Why hunt? Why friggin bother?
There was someone offering no less than 8 complete rares (melee, spy rifles, and a CS) on the trade channel (Saturn) for a single SF chip today. Something is borked. The loot pool is polluted with tons of useless crap. Convert some of the melee and slotenhancer drops to be rare loot from boss mobs, dropping as complete items. The only use for slotenhancer parts is to carry around as drop fodder in anarchy zones. If you can't clean up the tech pool, then up the damn drops to offset the almost 100 useless tech parts that drop way too often.
And don't get me started on this new "rare book" thing. I killed the doom harbringer 30 times solo and we did a dozen or more Cristal Cave queens last night. I bet more bossmobs were killed on the servers this weekend than at any time since release, and did ANYONE get the rare book out of it? So we might see like 1 rare shotgun on the server this year? I have more Judgement Days and Bat Queen bones now than I can ever use, talk about f'cking up the economy.
So basically the only thing left to do is farm MC5, sell the parts for cash, buy the techs I need, and further f'ck up the economy. Fun Fun :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Style
whats the point in making a vote when all the people who liked the old rare drop system has left because this really really realy really rare drop system, kk dont fucking undersand
when people have got bored off this game, if they are gona stay its for pvp, not camping monsters even more!
That is unfortunately true. That and paraspam. :(
GurTjaN I would have posted my views on the subject but I assumed that most people would have seen one of my various threads of rares. Considering you haven't I will go over my opnion:
"Rares" are, in almost all cases, necessary for combat for an averagely skilled runner. This is a PvP game, at its core. For a person who plays less than 2 hours it is very hard to get hold of rares. I play about three hours a day and it took me a month to completely set up my PE for combat, and I only had to get one weapon in all of that. Thus why should "rares" be rare when it takes a casual gamer a month to get the weapons/implants needed to become viable in combat. When this is a PvP game.
I think that all weapons should be buildable up to "rare" quality and that all weapons should be store bought (apart from mob drops). There should be rare items, however, things like special appartments, datacubes containing interesting Neocron history. Roleplay items or miscellaneous items should be the reward for camping not the ability to take part in the main purpose of the game. Oh and if all this was part of the game then I would also remove safe slot.
My opinion.
Dead Bodies
29-09-03, 19:50
Heh you think a month is long you have gotten your stuff quick i have ben playing FOrever and a day and i still am not complete as are sooo many players out there .. there is 2 kinds of people in this economy .. ..1 (THE TAKER) The charactor who has everythign and everyone in the pal of his hand becasue he has everythign a simle man wants to get a single mc5 part and this charactor will milk him for all he's got even tho he has 20 of this single part Money and stuff is no value to him he has it all and is trying to screw everyone else.. 2 (THE SEARCHER) The Honest 9-5 workign man who farms his wb's and does his lvlign helps his caln and trys to be a good neocron citican (unless he's a tg,fa,cm then accordign to those factions) he works hard and trys to get the simple thigs he needs in life not trying to have it all and screw everyone else......
THE SERVERS NEED TO BE WHIPE PEOPLE HAVE STUFF THAT SHOULDNT EVEN BELOGN IN THE GAME ANYMORE AND HAVE 600... 800+ RARES AND SHIT FROM WHEN WARBOTS DROPED 5 AT A TIME LIKE I HAVE AN 5 SLOT ALL ARTIFACT CS NOT EVEN MODDED AND MY TANK HAS 20 EXTRA POINTS IN CON AND STR ON A GERMAN SERVER I SHOUDL NOT HAVE THAT THAT IS ALL FROM THE GAME BEIGN FUCKED UP AND TRYED TO BE FIXED ONCE MORE SEE THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF THIGS THAT SHOULD EB GONE THERE IS A CLAN ON PLUTO THAT HAS OVER 400 MILLON DOLLARS IN THE BANKS AND OVER 6,000 RARE ITEMS THIS IS ALL BULLSHIT ....(KK WHIPE ALL THE SERVERS LET US START A NEW) MOST OF YOU WILL EB INCREADLY UPSET ABOUT THIS POST BUT MOST WILL AGREE WITH ME DOY NEEDS TO COEM OUT NOW AND THE SERVERS NEED TO BE WHIPED WHEN IT COMES OUT SO EVERYONE CAN START A NEW BECASUE THERE ARE TONS OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WITH THE LITTLE THINGS THAT SHOULDNT BE HERE .....
As far as the rare drop goes They need to up it for high lvl players and all players i dotn want to kill 200 wb and not get a single part if i kill 200 wb's i want atleast 200 rare parts 1 for each kill!!!!!!
Originally posted by ericdraven
Keep it like it is.
Trading rare parts (also MC5 parts) @ Uranus! (1854 parts available)
Looks like someone has a vested interest.
I voted to take them all out. I am all for the badass phospohor rifle shootouts of Beta4. Lets take out all rares so there will be more diversity with extra skill points to spend.
Dead Bodies
29-09-03, 20:00
Just whipe the godam servers then no one can complain about anythign everyone will be equal and whoever getts rich from that point on is from his own hard work....
i didn't vote. can't be arsed (also bored) with the rares debates. i can't believe someone said server wipe. like it wouldn't take the hardcore camper long to restock the rares appartments.
My opinion is that they should be rarer than they are now BUT BUT BUT, the non-rares should be given a boost to be VERY close in PvP to a rare.
Dead Bodies
29-09-03, 20:09
Yes if the "HARDCORE CAMPER" wants to do that then let him be but the problem is the items and things that are still in the game cince the start of neocron that people have accumlated that isnt supusto be here anymore .. kk tried to fix it but it but they cant fix everythign...
Originally posted by bounty
My opinion is that they should be rarer than they are now BUT BUT BUT, the non-rares should be given a boost to be VERY close in PvP to a rare.
The problem with that theory is that some people already have loooooads of rares as dead bodies stated. Thus these people would still have an advantage over the normal player who has to work harder to get hold of rares that people already have.
I can see how it could work with a server wipe (though I DO NOT want a server wipe personally).
The problem that most of the vets who ahve left had was that all the exciteme nt was taken out of PvP with rares being made more rare and the safeslot being put in. Oh and the massive specialisation, oh and quickbelts.
Dead Bodies
29-09-03, 20:19
Yes Excatly No one wants to lose all they got but it has to be done we need a fresh start.....
people are just too damn lazy, its fucking easy to get parts.
go hunt for an hour a day, TRY IT
its a piece of piss
just put some effort in like everyone else.
if you go start a new char on a diff server, no matter what class you play (except ppu) from when you can first level it is easy to get rares.
Rifles, gab mine or other sort of area to hunt warbots or decayed mobs
pistols takes a bit more care but same approach.
APU any mob that moves is easy with the partial hitbox
Heavy tank can use either lasercannons to sniper warbots or firemobs
Melee is a bit harder and so takes longer till your a higher level but same warbots or fire mobs
have i missed any class ?
oh droners decayed mobs piece of piss.
All the time while your hunting these mobs you are levelling which is essential.
STOP BEING LAZY AND WANTING EVERYTHING PUT ON A PLATE FOR YOU.
Andy
Originally posted by stigmata
people are just too damn lazy, its fucking easy to get parts.
go hunt for an hour a day, TRY IT
Yes I did for two hours a day in fact when I was getting Drikie up to cap. I got about two or three parts per two hour of hunting fire mobs, normally two of which were pieces of shit, ie rare shockers or melee. It still took me a month to get all the parts.
But then I wasn't in a clan for that period of time, so maybe being in the largest clan on the server gave you a better chance of getting hold of rares... hmmmm?
just put some effort in like everyone else.
What some people call effort other people call hardcore camping and most people don't want to camp for days on end.
STOP BEING LAZY AND WANTING EVERYTHING PUT ON A PLATE FOR YOU.
WE AREN'T BEING LAZY WE JUST DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO SPEND A FUCKING MONTH GETTING THE RARES NEEDED TO SET UP A CHARACTER FOR THE PRIMARY GOAL OF THIS DAMN GAME.
There, I even said it in capitals for you.
I HOPE KK listen to some of the things said in this thread and do them soon before you loose all the 'SEARCHER' type players, because i tell you this, there is more people in this world who are 'SEARCHERS' and not 'TAKERS' who have the time to play this game an awful lot, and enjoy camping mobs for 2 months everyday
you spoilt this game for people who like to farm other players, why spoil pvp for everyone who dont like camping mobs for 2 months
god, i dont even play this game anymore so i dont even know why im still here talking, i guess because this is a good game spoilt by FUKED up rules ok
CAMPING MOBS FOR 2 MONTHS IS NOT FUN
just change the drop rate back to the way it was, it would rock
you would also have your RP economy back MR MJS where everyone can take part instead of KK turning the players against each other like this now, the 'TAKER' player should not complain at all about the drop system, because even if it did get raised, they would still not have a problem. but the 'SEARCHER' player will always have a problem with this games rare system, they will either QUIT or never have the rare they want to have fun pvp
either RAISE the drop rate, or encourage pvp, and take away the PRE PK nerf patch
ericdraven
30-09-03, 15:39
Originally posted by stigmata
STOP BEING LAZY AND WANTING EVERYTHING PUT ON A PLATE FOR YOU.
Nothing to add.
Nohing to add.
WE AREN'T BEING LAZY WE JUST DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO SPEND A FUCKING MONTH GETTING THE RARES NEEDED TO SET UP A CHARACTER FOR THE PRIMARY GOAL OF THIS DAMN GAME.
as i said, ... did you even read my post? anyway... you do not have a say, because if the drop rate was raised, you would not have a problem, as i can see you like to camp mobs all day long from having, hat many tech parts fo trade, plus all the capped charecters you got, by defending the system your just being selfish to the players who are leaving ebcause of the drop rate system, which does not even create an economy, get this into your thick skull of yours, open ya mind a bit, take a big breath, whats best for this game, kk raising the drop rate and getting more customers to come and stay with this game, or people leaving
ericdraven
30-09-03, 16:00
A better game?
Hmm.. playing with people who put effort into the game and don't want everything for free.
Better for KK?
Rares shop buyable.
(or maybe... NOT.. because once you have EVERYTHING for free and run around as 1337 PKer every day, PvP every day you will get bored as fast as you obviously get bored now with hunting mobs)
once again your being stubborn with your bullshit, WHERE HAVE I FUCKING SAID RARES SHOULD BE SHOP BROUGHT@??
NO WHERE SO... STFU! im sorry but how many times do i have to explain my self you you thick pos's?? i said rares should be made back to the WAY THEY WAS. when everyone could go out for an hour or two, and come back to plaza 1, and trade = economy ... ECONOMY :) hehehahaha understand???! kid.
eric from your sig I can see that you obivoulsy just camp out mobs for hours a day. almost 2000 tech parts? If thats what you like doing then thats cool, but don't fuck up other peoples games because of your narrowmindedness.
It was my personal OPINION that rares should be shop bought. I only said that because one person wanted to know my own personal opinion. Thus that has no place in the argument.
Once again. We aren't lazy, you call us lazy and we call you fucked up campers. See, we don't like camping and prefer to not spend hours and hours a day mindlessly killing mobs.
ericdraven
30-09-03, 17:05
No, i don't understand.
Can you elaborate your statement? Judging your last post you seem to be on a very high intellectual level, so please consider to do it in a way i understand it as well. :)
Originally posted by Judge
Once again. We aren't lazy, you call us lazy and we call you fucked up campers. See, we don't like camping and prefer to not spend hours and hours a day mindlessly killing mobs.
Then don't expect to get the same reward as people who do "hours and hours a day mindlessly killing mobs".
Obiouvlsy we don't expect the same reward, we merely want it to be easyer to get enough so that we can focus on the main point of the game, namely PvP.
Of course you should get more parts, but the problem is that just takes too long for a casual gamer to get hold of the basic parts needed to setup their character. This is the problem, not us wanting as much stuff as you have. I'm sorry if you misunderstood the thread on that part.
ericdraven
30-09-03, 17:27
Originally posted by Judge
Obiouvlsy we don't expect the same reward, we merely want it to be easyer to get enough so that we can focus on the main point of the game, namely PvP.
Of course you should get more parts, but the problem is that just takes too long for a casual gamer to get hold of the basic parts needed to setup their character. This is the problem, not us wanting as much stuff as you have. I'm sorry if you misunderstood the thread on that part.
Nice to see a post without flames and attacks.
I think the problem is rather the large rare pool with many (almost) useless rares, which no one is using anyway. So if you get a core of an Electric Temptest you can actually throw it away.. you won't need it and no one will trade this part for a CS part.
If you keep the droprate but clean up the rare pool it should be OK again, IMHO.
god you chat so much shit.... first, you flame bait me by calling me an 'L337' PKer, which im not. then you judge what im trying to think, and when i correct you, you dont reply to me and back out off ansering me back by putting down my intelligence? what does intelligence have to do with having an opinion? firST OF ALL! i think that you need to learn how you communicate with others, ebcause im almost certain you would not talk to me the way you did here face to face, so why do it online and flame bait me to look crazy and shit? and then you continue to put me down knowing that im reading this thread, i mean... wtf? treat others online when speaking to them as you would in the real world ,KAPISH?
let me elaborate... anyone whos played jk2 from the start will see how fun it was, then someone came up with a thing called the 'jedi code' where people thought they had the right to go around with no lightsaber and not get atacked, the same people who was an admin would kick the people who broke these rules, finding it hard to accept the facts not everyone is a good guy, these sorta of people where the ones who went about calling others a lamer just for playing how they wanted, and the so called good guys couldnt accept the fact there was bad guys in the game aswell, this destroyed the community
caebear v the l337
sadly, everyone has to be catogorised here, and the worst thing off all, the open minded is classed as the l337
listen to the small, selfish minded, and all the customers who read this post will understand where this is headed
ericdraven
30-09-03, 18:46
In what pubs/clubs in vienna are you hanging around, Style?
I know how you look like from the RL Pic thread, so maybe - one day- i will tap on your shoulder an we can have your "live discussion".
Original monk
30-09-03, 18:51
rares what rares ? everybody has rares allready except the new noobies so they aint rare anymore, there yust called rare to give em a name :P
Originally posted by Style
what does intelligence have to do with having an opinion?
Hahahahahaha
I'm sorry that just made me laugh.
Whitestuff
30-09-03, 18:54
OK looked like it was getting off topic.
I agree with Stigmata. Get off your butt and hunt for the parts.
And do you want to know the secret to getting rare parts?
But then I wasn't in a clan for that period of time, so maybe being in the largest clan on the server gave you a better chance of getting hold of rares... hmmmm?
BINGO! Join a clan that does nothing but hunt for rares and help them get them. Then when you need one, they might have a spare 3 to give you. Works for me anyway.....
ericdraven
30-09-03, 18:55
Originally posted by WhiteKrAkRBOi
BINGO! Join a clan that does nothing but hunt for rares and help them get them. Then when you need one, they might have a spare 3 to give you. Works for me anyway.....
Don't give them wrong ideas.
It works alone or with only two people perfectly as well.
Whitestuff
30-09-03, 19:01
Yes eric but I f I need, lets say some machina glove parts, I always ask my clan first. Then if we don't have any, we go gank entire sectors of WBs and firemobs. The way our clan is organized we donate all parts to the leader. He keeps them in a separate apartment so no one steals them. When anyone is high enough level to use the rare, you just ask and it is likely that we have AT LEAST 1 that you can use. So it can be easier to be in a clan. Alone you gotta go hunt, identify hunt identify...... In a good clan, you ask and they prolly got one already.
ericdraven
30-09-03, 19:03
Yes sure, of course it's easier in a big clan.
Originally posted by WhiteKrAkRBOi
BINGO! Join a clan that does nothing but hunt for rares and help them get them. Then when you need one, they might have a spare 3 to give you. Works for me anyway.....
Quote from Neocron box:
Ideal for playing in teams, clans or alone.
:rolleyes:
Original, not everyone has "rares" and I use that term merely so that everyone else can recognise what I am talking about. Also noobies don't have rares... exactly, and how good are they gonna feel when they have spent a few months leveling up a character to cap only to discover that they will now have to camp out a load of monsters to get the rest of what they need.
Anyway, if all everyone is gonna do is say "get off butt and hunt for the parts" then I can see the same arguments put forward by me again and again.... I really wish that someone could propose something a little different to counter argue with me.
There should be multiple ways of playing this game. One is to camp out and thats all fine and dandy if you like that stuff, its the time that it takes to go the other route of a mainly PvP character. This is what the game is designed for and I see a problem that it takes so long to get characters up to a good and decent level for PvP combat, along with all the items obligartory with this.
Whitestuff
30-09-03, 19:09
Yes being in a clan helped me out a lot. I get what I need when I need it.
BUT
I sympathise with you. It can be done alone, but as I said it takes a lot longer. As I worked alone for my first few characters. I think the drop rate was changed to increase team work, which is a whole hell of a lot more fun anyways. IMO.
EDIT: @Judge
The game is ideal to play alone. You can do everything alone that I do in a clan, but here is the thing:
1. I am prolly having more fun joking around in a team of clanmates killing 10x more mobs than I would alone.
2. Because of reason 1, I am going to get the "rares" I need to PvP with much faster than if I were alone.
3. Because of my clan, I get to joke around and role play and have a good time hunting, so hunting does not get boring, it is just fun.
You can:
1. Go hunt alone perfectly fine.
2. Get fewer "rares" cause you aren't going to kill as many mobs per hunt
3. You will spend more time hunting than anything else and eventually get tired of hunting, so you will post a thread about how you want to get rares faster without joining a clan....:rolleyes:
It's a vicious cycle.
EDIT: Sorry forgot to say: I have a solo character and I agree with you. I voted to up the drop rate just a bit, not a whole lot though cause I really like the idea of teamplay cause it is a whole lot more fun.
Originally posted by WhiteKrAkRBOi
3. You will spend more time hunting than anything else and eventually get tired of hunting, so you will post a thread about how you want to get rares faster without joining a clan....:rolleyes:
I think you'll find that I have done nothing of the sort, this thread was meant to be a neutral ground for which to discuss what tod o with rares, I merely supplied my own opnions as one side of that argument.
Whitestuff
30-09-03, 19:33
Your opinion is a valid one, I just proposed an alternate solution. :) Good debate tho m8.
It should be a system of reward based on the difficulty of the mob.
76/76 – 80/80 should have a drop rate much like we have now. 33% chance of dropping a valuable item.
85/85 – 90/90 should have a 50% chance of dropping a valuable item.
95/95-100/100 should have a 75% chance.
100/100+ should have a 75% chance of dropping a valuable item as well as a good chance of multiple items.
Other really hard mobs such as the Y. Troops should drop even better loot.
OMG..... its a freaking MMORPG its not that they gonna hand you over a pice of rares...
Its even harder to get rares/uniques at LoD and they are all hardcore gamers :p hehehe so yea if you dont like it start playing hmmm tetris?
normal weapons should be made more viable for PVP like the blacksun. instead of all the morons shouting "onoz someone r teh shoot me and do dmg with none swirly wtf?!!11one, n3rf teh blacksun" etc etc
Rares shouldn't be weapons in my opinion. They should be weapon mods, armour and other such things that give quirky bonuses with quirky disadvantages, like Kamikaze chips but on varying levels. I'm very much a fan of the DnD system of magic items, and the best way in my opinion for that to be introduced is to give us high level weapons in the shops that can be used and constructed, but then give us crazy rare mods, like +10% damage -10% frequency. Or the like. As well as DoT radiation bullets or the like, stuff to make the weapons that are viable for PvP and that can be storebought MORE UNIQUE, and not BETTER. That way you never know what you are coming up against :D
Originally posted by ericdraven
In what pubs/clubs in vienna are you hanging around, Style?
I know how you look like from the RL Pic thread, so maybe - one day- i will tap on your shoulder an we can have your "live discussion".
:rolleyes: fucking keyboard heroes
EDIT. also in all the spare time i had today i managed to get in a wb killing spree, killed about 15 and got........not a single tech or implant.
it seems KK are making this game purely aimed now at people who are in a massive clan and who spend hours in teams raping MC5 or high mob spawn areas for imps and techs. its not a question of being LAZY, its a question of having a fucking life outside of neocron. if they want to make rares ultra rare that is fine for me, AS LONG as they make it so they arent essential for PVP, currently they are. ALso the rare situation atm is extremely unfriendly towards the new / unclanned player. as, might i add, are the stupid new fucking GR rules (oh look all the gr's are locked we cant get anywhere to level)
Originally posted by Mingerroo
Rares shouldn't be weapons in my opinion. They should be weapon mods, armour and other such things that give quirky bonuses with quirky disadvantages, like Kamikaze chips but on varying levels. I'm very much a fan of the DnD system of magic items, and the best way in my opinion for that to be introduced is to give us high level weapons in the shops that can be used and constructed, but then give us crazy rare mods, like +10% damage -10% frequency. Or the like. As well as DoT radiation bullets or the like, stuff to make the weapons that are viable for PvP and that can be storebought MORE UNIQUE, and not BETTER. That way you never know what you are coming up against :D
thats a really good idea, make weapons unique instead of ooh look its a phosphour modded liberator *yawn*
Originally posted by icarium
EDIT. also in all the spare time i had today i managed to get in a wb killing spree, killed about 15 and got........not a single tech or implant.
Yeah that just happened to me as except with fire mobs... and I'm a rank 34/54 pistol tank. :eek:
Originally posted by icarium
it seems KK are making this game purely aimed now at people who are in a massive clan and who spend hours in teams raping MC5 or high mob spawn areas for imps and techs. its not a question of being LAZY, its a question of having a fucking life outside of neocron. if they want to make rares ultra rare that is fine for me, AS LONG as they make it so they arent essential for PVP, currently they are. ALso the rare situation atm is extremely unfriendly towards the new / unclanned player. as, might i add, are the stupid new fucking GR rules (oh look all the gr's are locked we cant get anywhere to level)
I think that you have hit the proverbial nail on the head there.
Originally posted by Mingerroo
Rares shouldn't be weapons in my opinion. They should be weapon mods, armour and other such things that give quirky bonuses with quirky disadvantages, like Kamikaze chips but on varying levels. I'm very much a fan of the DnD system of magic items, and the best way in my opinion for that to be introduced is to give us high level weapons in the shops that can be used and constructed, but then give us crazy rare mods, like +10% damage -10% frequency. Or the like. As well as DoT radiation bullets or the like, stuff to make the weapons that are viable for PvP and that can be storebought MORE UNIQUE, and not BETTER. That way you never know what you are coming up against :D
Yes I do belive that that is a stunning idea. :D
Thanks guys, it seems the beta screenshots somebody else posted a link to have given me this strange power of making viable suggestions... should I make a thread out of that idea?
Make them less rare. Definetely.
Camping mobs for days/weeks/months on end just for tech parts is boring as sin, the economy (especially on Saturn) is in the shitter because of it, and people don't PvP as much either because they're camping mobs for parts, or are still worried about losing any rares that aren't in their safe slot because they're extremely hard to replace.
Back when the drop rate was higher, everything was a lot better. Hunting high level mobs was more rewarding and fun, the economy was a lot healthier, and more people were PvPing.
Stuff like MC5 chips are supposed to be what the super ritzy/hardcore players pawn their children for, not something as essential to the very core of the game as rare weapons (that'd be PvP, not monster camping).
THIS ISN'T EVERQUEST PEOPLE.
Shadow Dancer
01-10-03, 01:37
Originally posted by Style
once again your being stubborn with your bullshit, WHERE HAVE I FUCKING SAID RARES SHOULD BE SHOP BROUGHT@??
Ignore eric, I urge you to ignore him.
He has no arguements. All his arguements consist of black and white exaggerations like "OMG U WANT 5 SLOT HOLY LIGHTNING FOR CHRISTMAS" or some other stupid comment.
For the guy who said Eric has a vested interest, I totally agree. Look at the amount of parts he has, look at all the capped characters he has. FULLY capped apu? FULLY? So he capped int?
Sorry but Eric is just a selfish camper who camps 572323478 hours a day and thinks it should be like that for everyone. To eric you either have no life and camp 20 hours a day or you want "rares for free" :rolleyes: .
Logan Tyrus
01-10-03, 01:50
HEY!
This isnt a rare debate! This is a pretty common one!!! :eek:
IVE BEEN HAD! :mad:
Shadow Dancer
01-10-03, 01:50
Originally posted by Logan Tyrus
HEY!
This isnt a rare debate! This is a pretty common one!!! :eek:
IVE BEEN HAD! :mad:
ROFLMAO!
Gold, comedy GOLD!
ericdraven
01-10-03, 03:09
Arc, just because you are too stupid to cap your APU and think your are such a 1337 PKer it means not that you can judge about me.
Thank you. ;)
Shadow Dancer
01-10-03, 05:18
Originally posted by ericdraven
Arc, just because you are too stupid to cap your APU and think your are such a 1337 PKer it means not that you can judge about me.
Thank you. ;)
wow awesome counter arguement. :rolleyes:
I choose not to cap int because I don't have the patience. and I never said anything about being an 1337 pker. So your post is full of shit, much like all of your arguements.
"it means not that you can judge about me."
That made no sense btw.
Could we please not turn this into yet another flamewar? :\
Shadow Dancer
01-10-03, 09:04
Sorry Lanigav. :(
Make them less rare. Definetely.
Camping mobs for days/weeks/months on end just for tech parts is boring as sin, the economy (especially on Saturn) is in the shitter because of it, and people don't PvP as much either because they're camping mobs for parts, or are still worried about losing any rares that aren't in their safe slot because they're extremely hard to replace.
Back when the drop rate was higher, everything was a lot better. Hunting high level mobs was more rewarding and fun, the economy was a lot healthier, and more people were PvPing.
Stuff like MC5 chips are supposed to be what the super ritzy/hardcore players pawn their children for, not something as essential to the very core of the game as rare weapons (that'd be PvP, not monster camping).
THIS ISN'T EVERQUEST PEOPLE.
this is why the droprate needs changed back to the way it was, it was perfect. this game had an economy, people where pvp more
someone once told me, when something is good, don't try to fix it
we dont need this new rare book system thing im hearing about, we need the old system back, and stuff like slot enchancers made into the rare book system
seriously, if you make the rare book system and can only get this rare book of boss mobs, again only people in big clans or APU monks will get the loot
just make the drop rate back to the way it was, is it that hard to do? :(
otherwise continue to follow the same stupid rules of other MMOs such as evershit
I'm goign to throw my "newbie" 2nc in here.
what I'd really like to see, is rare weapons done away with, all they are is a time sink, look at the new book one, no-one's (admitted to) got one.
Back in beta days (2/3) We had PvP with all weapons, all the way down to the ACR. I liked it that way. I wouldn't mind seeing the rare system scrapped, all weapons be made able to be built artifact again, and like someone else said, putting new mods in as a "rare" so we can get some variety into the PvP.
I poped my law enforcer out with my now near capped PE, using the second ray gun and died in about 2 seconds. without a rare and a team/clan PvP really isn't viable in this kind of setting. And it's a real shame too, because I'd like to not have to be capped, specialized, with a rare, in a clan, with a certain combination of back-up, to do this games primary focus.
I've seen it, and it's coming just short of seeing over faction, or some other channel "Raiding queen, need PPU help". this game becomes more and more like EQ every day, and it really sucks.
Of course, I swore never to take my LE out, but being near capped, I see why people wnat PvP, mob hunting at that point is just...boring...
yes, i know what you mean, and the rules just get more and more like evershit every patch:mad:
what I'd really like to see, is rare weapons done away with, all they are is a time sink, look at the new book one, no-one's (admitted to) got one.
Back in beta days (2/3) We had PvP with all weapons, all the way down to the ACR. I liked it that way. I wouldn't mind seeing the rare system scrapped, all weapons be made able to be built artifact again, and like someone else said, putting new mods in as a "rare" so we can get some variety into the PvP.
The problem with that is it would likely totally ruin the economy, since the economy is almost 80% driven by the purchase and trade of weapon tech parts.
Also, hunting for rare parts provided a nice change from constant PvP, and an extra reward for just leveling up to begin with.
Upping the droprate or removing rares altogether would achieve the same purpose of allowing everyone to have decent PvP weapons without an extreme amount of hassle, but being able to collect and trade tech parts is a lot more fun and lucrative. Eventually there should be a rare version for every weapon type, so everyone's setup won't be as cookiecutter as it is now.
There are alot of complicated methods that could make the rare system really good, but tbh I don't see why KK changed the drop rate in the first place. I supposed that people had the old "rares should be rare" argument and they won.
Yeah, I remember there being a lot of people who wanted the drop rate lowered, and after KK implimented it, they were all going "WTF did we just do?!!".
people was asking for the droprate to be lowered?? and kk went with them?
this is stupid.... no really, look at the poll, half the people want the tech rate to stay how it is, the other half who want it raised is alot of people that are pissed off ok, changing the drop rate to more would not have an effect on the selfish idiots who want the drop rate to stay how it is
ericdraven
02-10-03, 15:57
Well, according to the poll the majority are selfish idiots. :D
god, i ainte ven gona reply to your pointless arguments, i dont even know what your trying to say
/me ignores
What he's saying is that almost half (but not the majority) of people want the rate to stay the same.
Here's the way I see it. If the rate is raised, I highly doubt anyone will leave the game as a result. However, a good number of people are leaving because of the rate as it is now. So that reason alone is good enough to raise it.
Also, the tech part pool has many more items (nearly double) that of what it had back when the nerf hit.
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