View Full Version : upping spy psi to 25
1. its only 5 points
2. Spies need a lot of concentration in order to stealth and such, but it also take concentration to cast psi spells. Spies use a lot of concentration so why not add 5 more points.
beacuse 5 more points is 5 less somewere elce. rather have 5 more points in con or str with spy then psi.
Q`alooaith
26-09-03, 02:37
because each class has the same number of skill level's total..
maybe you'd like to drop some str or con for it.. but try telling that to all the other spys..
nonamebrandeggs
26-09-03, 02:39
Drop strength.
Peeping Tom
26-09-03, 02:44
Originally posted by nonamebrandeggs
Drop strength.
then i need to eat even more str drugs for inq 2... bah :P
but shelt would be nice
K4F
The ability to use Shelter would make a great addition to a spy.
We would have to loose 5 CON, or STR though, not sure the benefits of shelter overweigh that...
nonamebrandeggs
26-09-03, 02:46
Exactly :p, I was thinking of you when I said that.
But...but...but that might give them a better defense! We can't have spies doing COMBAT! They're supposed to be tradeskill bitches, to come to my calling of them instantly so I can give them crappy tips after IDing dozens of rare parts!
Originally posted by Marzola
But...but...but that might give them a better defense! We can't have spies doing COMBAT! They're supposed to be tradeskill bitches, to come to my calling of them instantly so I can give them crappy tips after IDing dozens of rare parts!
OK +5 PSI
-5 what? INT,STR,DEX,CON?
QuantumDelta
26-09-03, 03:22
I would actually recommend dropping five INT.
Since implants make up enough to use heavy belts anyway.
I don't want 5 extra PSI, at the cost of something else.
I don't even use deflector, 90% of the time - the way it flashes with stealth is too much of a giveaway.
Doy should (it wont, but it should) just add to level caps for all chars,not much, just a little. one of them should be 25 psi for spies.
I agree.
25 psi.
Lower intelligence to 95 since most spies have INT imps allowing them to use any of the heavy belts.
Peeping Tom
26-09-03, 05:43
Originally posted by Mankind
I agree.
25 psi.
Lower intelligence to 95 since most spies have INT imps allowing them to use any of the heavy belts.
PA will take some int away.. dunt remember how much and to sleepy to find out
but if i remember rite, with my setup i cant afford -5 int
K4F
Am I the only one that thinks 20 psi is too much for spies? They are the tech heads, rather the opposite of monks (at least to me).
I'd much rather drop 10 psi for 5 str and 5 con. As Kurai said, shelter/deflector clash with stealth.
Yeah - 5 more STR at the expense of 5 PSI would help more.
There's sod all in the 15 to 20 PSI range thats of any use, so it's not like we would lose out on any worthwhile spells.
Dropping to 10 PSI might be too much, as you wouldn't be able to spec enough PPU to get respecatble stats on the TL3 heal .
Disturbed021
26-09-03, 10:31
Pop a Destrosol Forte if you wanna use a Shelter as a spy. Problem solved. (I think its abit late to be changing the Character stats around now anyways :p )
Originally posted by QuantumDelta
I would actually recommend dropping five INT.
Since implants make up enough to use heavy belts anyway.
Yep - I agree.
INT could drop 10 in fact.
The only high-level INT items are belts and the top one is 99. Ten points of INT is easy from implants.
Ideally I'd go for INT-10, PSI+5, CON+5.
I seriously doubt KK will change it again now though.
Originally posted by hose187
Am I the only one that thinks 20 psi is too much for spies? They are the tech heads, rather the opposite of monks (at least to me).
I'd much rather drop 10 psi for 5 str and 5 con. As Kurai said, shelter/deflector clash with stealth.
Can't agree at all. Spies are/were supposed to be the 2nd best Psi-users in the game. If Psi is to be treated as an intellectual skill (as it seems to be in Neocron) then Spies should have more.
If Spys want 5 more PSI I say remove 5 dex.. if you want something so bad you should pay the worst price you can for it..
SigmaDraconis
26-09-03, 10:49
wo0t lets completely break the charactor templates so spies can have a shelter ^^
As for me better downgrate PSI to 15 and Int to 90 but improve Str to 45 and Con to 50 (or Str 50 Con 45).
I think some of you guys missed someone's point there... so i'll re-iterate.
The Skill Caps will increase with DOY!
And in all likelihood PSI for Spies will be 25 :)
Don;t forget KK have stated that all classes will be able to use the high end PA without drugs at some point. We can also expect some higher t/l weapons after t/l 115 with the expansion.
My own personal hunch is that the Skill Caps will actually double. I also believe that the XP gain will remain the same and also the growth between skill levels will keep extending at the same rate.
KK said that the new levelling changes will challenge even the capped players. Now that's what i call challenging!!
Originally posted by ]v[ortice
The Skill Caps will increase with DOY!
No they won't
SigmaDraconis
26-09-03, 11:50
Hes right. They wont.
Why you ask?
Because DoY is a myth.
A lie. A gimmick.
Why you ask. (again)
To keep you paying.
Yes this post reminds me of an AdultSwim Buffer aswell.
Original monk
26-09-03, 12:11
they will increase, no they wont, yes they do, no they wont i tell ya, maybe they do... i bet they do, or maybe not :P
in any case drop 5 str and add 5 psi, i dont need extra transport or resistforce i wanna use a regular simple shelter :)
onlyone thats not gonna like the -5 str is rizzy, he's heavycombatspy will be gimped by this ya see :P
i repeat: -5 str +5 psi :)
Originally posted by Original monk
they will increase, no they wont, yes they do, no they wont i tell ya, maybe they do... i bet they do, or maybe not :P
in any case drop 5 str and add 5 psi, i dont need extra transport or resistforce i wanna use a regular simple shelter :)
onlyone thats not gonna like the -5 str is rizzy, he's heavycombatspy will be gimped by this ya see :P
i repeat: -5 str +5 psi :)
I'd say that the fact KK and MJS have stated several times now that they won't increase it makes it unlikely they will. They are doing "something else".:wtf:
I still miss my 'nade launcher Spy. :( He rocked before all this specialisation bollox.
I dont want my spy to be changed, I like him like he is and he is already using shelter.
-5 INT = less skill points for tradeskills. Some have more then just one tradeskill.
-5 STR = Inq-1/Dur-1 armor even harder to use, level-2 armors completly out of reach.
-5 CON = No filter-2, less skill points for resists.
-5 DEX = less skillpoints for combat (trade skill in DEX dont require to be as high as those under INT so we can skip that point here), PAs another 5 DEX more far away - same for First Love and Distruptor.
Hmm...CON seems to be the easiest to sacrificy for the majority of spies I think.
How on earth are you getting 48CON on a Spy to use a filter 2?
My Filter-2 worked good at 43 CON (moveon), I sometimes just had to relog after GRing.
hmmmz...
so let me get this straight... KK aren;t gonna increase skill caps ever?
Well you now have 4 capped (or 1 capped char) on your respective server? Ur telling me that you're gonna keep subscribing for a bit of an extra map and some new items when DoY comes out????
Don't talk bull****.
KK will lose 75% of their customer base if they don;t give them a reason to keep playing ffs. Items and new areas is not a good reason. You can only PVP for so long until you're bored with the game total and that's what i'm hearing from most guys on my server anyway.
There's too much going on in the gaming world atm for the interest to remain without significant interest gains from the expansion.
Half Life 2 anyone?????
Originally posted by ]v[ortice
hmmmz...
so let me get this straight... KK aren;t gonna increase skill caps ever?
Well you now have 4 capped (or 1 capped char) on your respective server? Ur telling me that you're gonna keep subscribing for a bit of an extra map and some new items when DoY comes out????
Don't talk bull****.
KK will lose 75% of their customer base if they don;t give them a reason to keep playing ffs. Items and new areas is not a good reason. You can only PVP for so long until you're bored with the game total and that's what i'm hearing from most guys on my server anyway.
There's too much going on in the gaming world atm for the interest to remain without significant interest gains from the expansion.
Half Life 2 anyone?????
Welcome to Neocron :)
Funny thing is though - we're still here.o_O
Originally posted by ]v[ortice
hmmmz...
so let me get this straight... KK aren;t gonna increase skill caps ever?
Well you now have 4 capped (or 1 capped char) on your respective server? Ur telling me that you're gonna keep subscribing for a bit of an extra map and some new items when DoY comes out????
Don't talk bull****.
KK will lose 75% of their customer base if they don;t give them a reason to keep playing ffs. Items and new areas is not a good reason. You can only PVP for so long until you're bored with the game total and that's what i'm hearing from most guys on my server anyway.
There's too much going on in the gaming world atm for the interest to remain without significant interest gains from the expansion.
Half Life 2 anyone?????
1. Yeah - no cap increases - but there will be "something else" with DoY.
2. Come on, truthfully, how many people have 4 capped chars (across all servers - nvm on 1)?
3. Don't talk bull****
4. Erm, well there's this thing called ROLE PLAY! With a little luck and a bit of work on KKs part i think it's gonna get better. After all this is an MMORPG.
5. So your saying it's not possible to play 2 games at once (no, of course I don't mean literally)? I play UT2k3 and Neocron and the odd bit of UO. I stay interested in all 3.
Athon Solo
Originally posted by athon
5. So your saying it's not possible to play 2 games at once (no, of course I don't mean literally)? I play UT2k3 and Neocron and the odd bit of UO. I stay interested in all 3.
I do.
Usually something turn based on one though (Gunbound mostly atm).
I'm getting the hang of using 2 NC chars at once though. No hope for PvP of course but I can multi-task PvM without too much trouble.
Athon:
When did you ever role play?
When did anyone ever roleplay?
My point was this game is a glorified chat-room with a sub-game thrown in. I say this because I enjoy talking to the mates I have in the game more than actually playing and thats not a feeling that is indigenous to myself. Killing the same stuff over and over is a grind.
The only thing of any interest atm is to level your characters and to acquire items, then move on to PVP. I know there is a small section of RPing guys on the servers and I take my hat off to them and mean no offence. I have only ever seen one person properly RP on this game and SuAnn if ur watching (/me tips hat).
I didn't mean 4 capped chars on all servers I meant on the one they play on most. So... In actual fact maybe not everyone has 4 capped chars... but in all likelyhood they have 4 chars that are close to cap if some of them aren't capped already. Are you telling me your gonna continue to PAY for this game if KK don;t deliver a decent package to keep you interested? I can understand you playing more than just Neo, I do myself, but you're paying for this and you should expect more longevity than little over a years interest. You can't tell me its impossible to CAP all 4 chars in a year cos its been done and lots.
Bottom line Athon... If this "something else" isn't the dogs bollocks people will walk. That's fair comment.
Before anyone points out again that people have been paying playing for just over a year... I beta tested it myself and have a fully paid account since, therefore I feel I have the right to this opinion.
Voodoochicken
26-09-03, 20:58
1) spys can already use shelter
2) see point 1
3) Personally, I'd prefer 5 more STR at the expense of 5 PSI*
*I always thought spy PSI should have been lowered by more when the caps were changed .. but, oh no.. spy's MUST have access to shelter.. :rolleyes:
4) I don't want to be pissing around with PSI spells to be effective with a spy.. . (plus, see point 1)
5) If I wanted to mess around with PSI, I'd roll a PE or Monk, rather than a spy.
Simply introduce "Shelter belts" with reasonable (INT/DEX)requirements (15% shelter effect on the best one?) , take 5 off the spy's PSI cap and add 5 to STR cap.
(off topic)
And, of course, add in some STR based belts that add transport/HC (and I don't even have a tank or PE)!
The skill caps won't get raised. I think the "something different" will be special abilities you can aquire after you cap, like in EQ. I seem to remember someone dropping a hint to this effect (an actual KK person)
Originally posted by ]v[ortice
When did anyone ever roleplay?
I roleplay
My point was this game is a glorified chat-room with a sub-game thrown in. I say this because I enjoy talking to the mates I have in the game more than actually playing and thats not a feeling that is indigenous to myself. Killing the same stuff over and over is a grind.
Then try killing something different, or roleplaying, or setting up a new clan with a specific role, or exploring various places, or go and check out the new regants mutants or go get a full set of Kami chips. There is plenty to do.
The only thing of any interest atm is to level your characters and to acquire items, then move on to PVP. I know there is a small section of RPing guys on the servers and I take my hat off to them and mean no offence. I have only ever seen one person properly RP on this game and SuAnn if ur watching (/me tips hat).
How do you define "proper" roleplay. To me that just sounds arrogant.
I didn't mean 4 capped chars on all servers I meant on the one they play on most. So... In actual fact maybe not everyone has 4 capped chars... but in all likelyhood they have 4 chars that are close to cap if some of them aren't capped already. Are you telling me your gonna continue to PAY for this game if KK don;t deliver a decent package to keep you interested? I can understand you playing more than just Neo, I do myself, but you're paying for this and you should expect more longevity than little over a years interest. You can't tell me its impossible to CAP all 4 chars in a year cos its been done and lots.
Not everyone's aim is to cap their characters. I have no fully capped character on any server, and as I mentioned above there are plenty of things to do once you are capped.
Bottom line Athon... If this "something else" isn't the dogs bollocks people will walk. That's fair comment.
It won't have to be the dogs bollocks, it will just have to be pretty cool. Cool enough to keep people in game.
first off, I would like to say thank you to everyone that replid to this thread it is an important issue for me.
I was thinkin more along the lines of dropping 2 str 2 con and 1 intel.
Kuria i know that deflector doesnt work well with stealth ( seeing as how i also am practically perma-stealthed) but there is always a mountain or a hill u can cast it on real quick. As for the getting shot while stealthed issue, i also realize that is a pain but in the long run you will be thanking the shelter and deflector.
Str and con are important issues for a spy, however if u can use shelter then u will need less enrgy resist and deflector allows for less force resist so it works out all together, as for the intel it is important but you can still use heavy belts even with 99 intel.
Originally posted by ]v[ortice
Athon:
When did you ever role play?
When did anyone ever roleplay?
My point was this game is a glorified chat-room with a sub-game thrown in. I say this because I enjoy talking to the mates I have in the game more than actually playing and thats not a feeling that is indigenous to myself. Killing the same stuff over and over is a grind.
The only thing of any interest atm is to level your characters and to acquire items, then move on to PVP. I know there is a small section of RPing guys on the servers and I take my hat off to them and mean no offence. I have only ever seen one person properly RP on this game and SuAnn if ur watching (/me tips hat).
I didn't mean 4 capped chars on all servers I meant on the one they play on most. So... In actual fact maybe not everyone has 4 capped chars... but in all likelyhood they have 4 chars that are close to cap if some of them aren't capped already. Are you telling me your gonna continue to PAY for this game if KK don;t deliver a decent package to keep you interested? I can understand you playing more than just Neo, I do myself, but you're paying for this and you should expect more longevity than little over a years interest. You can't tell me its impossible to CAP all 4 chars in a year cos its been done and lots.
Bottom line Athon... If this "something else" isn't the dogs bollocks people will walk. That's fair comment.
Before anyone points out again that people have been paying playing for just over a year... I beta tested it myself and have a fully paid account since, therefore I feel I have the right to this opinion.
I try to role play whenever I can, admittedly its damn hard when no one turns up to faction meetings that I arranged when I was council chairman, and when they do, enemies turn up and wreck the meeting.
IMO KK aren't doing too bad atm with the patches. They are listening to the community and keeping us informed enough that we know things like DoY are coming, but not overinformed so that when things don't happen on schedule we don't get lots of REALLY pissed off people.
Yes, I do believe that if this "something else" isn't the "dogs bollox" in the peoples opinion, many people will walk. But they will be the exact people only concerned with levelling and PvP that you talk about. What will we be left with then? Oh good god no, ROLE PLAYERS! Neocron might actually turn into a proper role playing game!
Athon Solo
Guys, IMO, If a spy had access to shelter without drugs (which only ever use in neofrag anyway, whop uses drug's during proper fights?) anyways if spy's had access to shelter without drugs then with the combination of XRR PA, Heavy belts, and a decent CON setup, They would once again, just like the PE, Be more resilient than a tank... Shelter DOES do that much...
this had better be some non-spy having a joke. it was bad enough losing my spies STR the 1st time round. now i got some fool asking for more PSI and deducting from STR,INT or CON. just STFU about p!ssing about with the skill lvl's.
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no no no no no no no no
spys are fine imho they dont really need anything changed at all
[Edited for Flames - Gungnir], who is forcing you to read this thread??? thats right no one so if u dont like it then dont reply.
Voodoochicken
29-09-03, 19:39
You have to realise that a lot of spys like getting their STR high enough to use INQ 1 armour (It's possible atm by using the right implants and/or drugs.)
Taking any more lvls off STR will severely screw all these people over, just so that you can more easily use a shelter (that you can already use by taking drugs).
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