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I know, i know jumping the gun. But any word on when the new patch in desending? (as hinted by Callash)
Originally posted by Callash A retail patch is imminent though
Muhahaha Sniper fun and hopefully xtreme Kami droneage. lol
generally released on a wednesday or thursday... either this week, the week after, maybe the week after that... possibly the week after that... who knows o_O
Shadow Dancer
15-09-03, 11:35
hurry up KK :(
Richard Slade
15-09-03, 11:36
No new words ATM, soz
The song is "One Love" by Stone Roses. You owe me 100k dude.
Originally posted by Richard Slade
No new words ATM, soz
The song is "One Love" by Stone Roses. You owe me 100k dude.
yes you already f'kin said, tell you what, ill jump in a taxi and go home from work at 10:36 AM just to log onto NC and then give you the 100k o_O
just DM me like everyone else has who answered with your char name then THEN, just maybe then we might be able to actually do something about it... Deal?
Richard Slade
15-09-03, 11:42
Bah! I don't even play on Pluto ;)
Just like to tell ppl stuff
And do it ALOT :angel: :angel:
Soz, no offense.
Dribble Joy
15-09-03, 12:13
Patch will be here soon(tm)
When its done! :D
Oh, wait.. Sorry, wrong game :p
I really hope we get a patch this week, im not sure how much longer I can wait for the SpyPA :(
Any time you want me
Any time at all
Any time you need me
All you gotta do is call
Any time you want me
Any time at all
Any time you need me
All you gotta do is call
I'm no dog or a dolphin
I just don't live in the sea
You feel my flow and you flood my brain
Show me a vision you wild apparition
And sink to the depths of your soul
One love, we don't need another love
One love, one heart and one soul
We can have it all
Easy, easy do do do do do
Any time you want me
Any time at all
Any time you need me
All you gotta do is call
You put me one step clear of the chain gang
And two miles over the line
All the scenes I saw left me wanting more
Show me a vision you wild apparition
And sink to the depths of your soul
One love, we don't need another love
One love, one heart and one soul
Your fruit's in season
And these feet fall surely sound
And what goes up must come down
Turns into dust or turns into stone do do do do
nice copy and paste Evs o_O
Anyway uhm richard slade got it earlier, but he dont play on pluto, so i guess you can have it :p
well im certainly not typing the bloody thing out :)
TSR was class, esp the second coming album.
Quite amazed how much sounds like it these days (i.e rip off)
ok smart arses
A world of fragile things.
Look for me in the white forest,
Hiding in a hollow tree
I know you hear me.
100k on pluto jsut DM ryuben
got to post here thow to say u know it
oh and I WANT PATCH
:edit: tough tittes thats all ur getting
MayhemMike
15-09-03, 14:16
o nos i play every english server :O , new patch?!:confused:
Originally posted by Ryuben
ok smart arses
A world of fragile things.
Look for me in the white forest,
Hiding in a hollow tree
100k on pluto jsut DM ryuben
got to post here thow to say u know it
oh and I WANT PATCH
Three bloody lines? Is that even the whole verse ? I recognise it from somewhere but post the whole verse o_O
Originally posted by \\Fényx//
Three bloody lines? Is that even the whole verse ? I recognise it from somewhere but post the whole verse o_O It's a Haiku I think. Then again, it might be something else.
but heres a full verse for ya
AM THE ONE WHO FELL TO EARTH
WHILE LYING ON A CLOUD
I AM THE ONE WHO BROUGHT YOU TRUTH
WHEN YOU WERE LIVING LIES
I AM THE ONE WHO TOOK THE BLAME
- OF ALL YOUR FAILURE
I AM THE ONE WHO TOOK THE PAIN
THAT'S WHY I'LL BE WAITING HERE
. . . I WILL BE WAITING . . .
come on then slags 100k each
Originally posted by Ryuben
A world of fragile things.
Look for me in the white forest,
Hiding in a hollow tree
I know you hear me.
Evanescence - My Last Breath
I dont care for the money on pluto though ;)
I mean, hey pick something REALLY obscure for a challenge... :p
Originally posted by Chaplin
Evanescence - My Last Breath
I dont care for the money on pluto though ;)
I mean, hey pick something REALLY obscure for a challenge... :p
i did do second one :D
Obscure as in something that won't give any results when you type lines of it into a Google search (People offering 100k for an answer are going to be very poor very quickly). :D
Fingers crossed on the patch being this week. Now that the stats on the Spy PA have been decided it shouldn't be long. :)
*Crosses everything he has that's crossable, and one or two that shouldn't be*
Shock.
*cough* no ones got the second one :D
Originally posted by Ryuben
*cough* no ones got the second one :D
Edit: Deleted my post. Don't want to give it away, since I cheated. :p
Shock.
Yes. Yes I did. What exactly did you expect? :D
Shock.
booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo thats not in the spirit of the thing :( cheater
Ok ok, I've edited out the post! Happy now? :p
Psyco Groupie
15-09-03, 17:23
Its in our nature to kill each other
its in our nature to kill ourselves
its in our nature to KILL KILL KILL
answers on a postcard
:eek: :eek: :p o_O :angel: :wtf: :cool: :) O_o :lol: :D :rolleyes: ;) :confused: :mad:
Originally posted by Ryuben
but heres a full verse for ya
AM THE ONE WHO FELL TO EARTH
WHILE LYING ON A CLOUD
I AM THE ONE WHO BROUGHT YOU TRUTH
WHEN YOU WERE LIVING LIES
I AM THE ONE WHO TOOK THE BLAME
- OF ALL YOUR FAILURE
I AM THE ONE WHO TOOK THE PAIN
THAT'S WHY I'LL BE WAITING HERE
. . . I WILL BE WAITING . . .
come on then slags 100k each
... 'breaking the silence'.
:p
Originally posted by Psyco Groupie
Its in our nature to kill each other
its in our nature to kill ourselves
its in our nature to KILL KILL KILL
answers on a postcard
:eek: :eek: :p o_O :angel: :wtf: :cool: :) O_o :lol: :D :rolleyes: ;) :confused: :mad:
Papa Roach isn't it? God they are terrible.
o_O
What happened to the patch discussion?
*grabs umbrella for incoming tomatoes* :eek:
Psycho_Soldier
15-09-03, 17:49
Originally posted by Psyco Groupie
Its in our nature to kill each other
its in our nature to kill ourselves
its in our nature to KILL KILL KILL
Papa Roach - Blood Brothers
From the movie - The One with Jet Li. Good movie. :)
*Selects "Keep on the topic" spell from quickbelt*
I wish the next patch would come soon too. Really looking forward for new bugs.. erm, I mean bugfixes ^^
Sorry for my attitude but.. still waiting for DoY :\
// Wannabe
Anyone ever wonder why the new PA's get on Retail servers first, before they are on the Test Server?.....o_O
because on test server they're testing the setup - not the skin.
Du din bög, du är så jävla feminin
som en sticka av trä i min braskamin
brinner upp sakta, tar kål på livet
ingen som du skall ta nåt för givet
Svag - är ditt adjektiv
Vek - som mitt mickstativ
Du skall dö, men tyvärr är lagen för trög
Jag vill att du skall bort din jävla bög
lol, 100k on ANY server for the one who finds out :p
Originally posted by RuButt
lol, 100k on ANY server for the one who finds out :p http://hem.passagen.se/oljeburk/Rosa_(LOK).htm
Psycho_Soldier
15-09-03, 22:11
Ahh the power of a search engine. :p
still
what group?
and what original name of song?
=)
Roc-a-fella
15-09-03, 22:20
whats gonna be in the next patch?
Dribble Joy
15-09-03, 22:23
Bananas
Richard Slade
15-09-03, 22:25
Originally posted by RuButt
still
what group?
and what original name of song?
=)
group: Lok
Song: Rosa (Din jävla bög)
You owe me 100k on saturn man
Originally posted by Richard Slade
group: Lok
Song: Rosa (Din jävla bög)
You owe me 100k on saturn man
lol, ORIGINAL NAME!!
u wont find this on the net!!
u need to have one of their very old records!
Richard Slade
16-09-03, 10:33
Bah "Ord och inga visor"
Happy?!
i think 'ord och inga visor' is the name of one of their CD's
and no, im not happy! :p
Richard Slade
16-09-03, 11:53
Originally posted by RuButt
i think 'ord och inga visor' is the name of one of their CD's
and no, im not happy! :p
That IS the name of the song.
If u don't like it you can get the fuck out
And if my wife doesn't like it she can get the fuck out too!
*swish, duck, bonk*
Missed me. Bitch.
ok, contest is over now.
the name of the song is
'Homofob'
MjukisDjur
16-09-03, 16:47
its thursday... :)
Edit:
BTW Nid, you need to catch up on some Swedish...
Ozambabbaz
16-09-03, 16:55
thursday :) weeeee
oh, got a wicked song here, deep lyrics n all
free milky ren for teh winnar
I like it when the beat goes da na da na
Baby make your booty go da na da na
Girl I know you wanna show da na da na
That thong th thong thong thong
I like it when the beat goes da na da na
Baby make your booty go da na da na
Girl I know you wanna show da na da na
That thong th thong thong thong
nobody's gonna get this one, yea :wtf:
Originally posted by MjukisDjur
its thursday... :)We get the patch on Thursday??
:eek:
*tries unsecessfully to keep self calm*
Probably not this week, because CoDi is about to finish a couple of things that need to be in the next retail patch and those will need to be tested first.
Ozambabbaz
16-09-03, 17:08
thanks Thanatos :) *trods off to hibernation cave*
Originally posted by Thanatos
Probably not this week, because CoDi is about to finish a couple of things that need to be in the next retail patch and those will need to be tested first. *crawls back under his dark, damp, rock sobbing* http://moddb.com/images/smilie/cry.gif
Originally posted by Thanatos
Probably not this week, because CoDi is about to finish a couple of things that need to be in the next retail patch and those will need to be tested first.
oooo so next week then :D *quivers with excitment*
Original monk
16-09-03, 18:02
Originally posted by Thanatos
Probably not this week, because CoDi is about to finish a couple of things that need to be in the next retail patch and those will need to be tested first.
Ty sir for this information, im gettin a bit desperate so know i know i dont have to look at the forum like every 30 minutes to see if its there allready or not, for this week that is
Thanks Thanatos for the update.
But again... Why can't you release patches that are small and frequent instead of trying to whack as many features into a new patch as techincally possible? Can't these new things that CoDi is finishing wait? Or will there be another long stretch before you release the next patch, and something really big really needs to be fixed?
It has been a massive while since the last (retail) patch was released: it really needs to be more frequent than this.
Sorry, I just had to rant about this great idea. Again.
Eddie
P.S. True.. it just so happens that the Spy PA is included in this patch, and I want it very much :P
Well, besides some "behind the scenes stuff" (GM related), he's working on a encryption method using hardware IDs for the passwords stored in the registry. If he gets that done, we'll revert the "type password every login" change.
Originally posted by Thanatos
Well, besides some "behind the scenes stuff" (GM related), he's working on a encryption method using hardware IDs for the passwords stored in the registry. If he gets that done, we'll revert the "type password every login" change.
/me bows down and kisses Thanatos feet.
thanks for that.:)
Originally posted by Thanatos
Well, besides some "behind the scenes stuff" (GM related), he's working on a encryption method using hardware IDs for the passwords stored in the registry. If he gets that done, we'll revert the "type password every login" change.
w00t
sings swedish trashcore in tribute to than...dude...yeah...
..
Progenitor
16-09-03, 19:38
Originally posted by Thanatos
Well, besides some "behind the scenes stuff" (GM related), he's working on a encryption method using hardware IDs for the passwords stored in the registry. If he gets that done, we'll revert the "type password every login" change.
While I would love not to have to retype my password in each time, IF that is the only thing holding up the patch, I'd rather get the current patch now and type my password in until the next patch is ready.
-p
liek uhhh
what happens if we upgrade ?!? o_O or what if we were using the same account on 2 PC's (mine and my sisters when im over her house or something?)
Fen - this is just for remembering the password.
If hardware changes.. the ID will change. So it'll ask you to retype password.
Sorted.
Well.. thanks for the update again!
I suppose that encryption thingy might be important enough to wait for (granted that too many people on the forums have bitched constantly about safety issues, and how they'll (probably) quit if ever came into play - so I can kinda understand why you don't want to implement this patch just yet).
Eddie
lol, so what is this ? everyone cry out loud if any hardware ID is transmited to Microsoft and then you give a friendly HELLO if neocron does ?o_O
not that i have any problems on that topic but like some other things around this is strange :)
Richard Blade
16-09-03, 20:17
I doubt they are looking for information on your computer.
What will happen, Neocron will look at your hardware specs and come up with a check sum, or key that will be used to encrypt your password into your registry.
Fen - your password will be the same on either machine. The encryption is for the machine registry only.
Before I look like a pompous ass, I am making huge assumptions and could be wrong. What I put up above just seems logical for encryption and security.
Regards,
RB
o_O
But what's that gonna do to stop keyloggers ? :confused:
Originally posted by \\Fényx//
o_O
But what's that gonna do to stop keyloggers ? :confused:
well, you can not put all responceibility for you PC on KK side.
you are responcible for the programs you use on you PC so KK only have to take care of NCo_O
Richard is right, the hardware ID will be used to encrypt the password saved in *your* registry. That way, even if someone gets a prog on your computer that reads the encrypted password and sends it to that guy, he won't be able to use the password because his hardware has another ID.
We don't send that ID anywhere.
Originally posted by \\Fényx//
o_O
But what's that gonna do to stop keyloggers ? :confused: You only have to type the password once.
As msdong says - you can't police everything, all the time, for everyone ... but you can dramatically reduce the probabilities of a successful "sniff".
Having to type the password only once inherently gives a keylogger the minimum statistically possible window of opportunity.
Originally posted by kurai
You only have to type the password once.
As msdong says - you can't police everything, all the time, for everyone ... but you can dramatically reduce the probabilities of a successful "sniff".
Having to type the password only once inherently gives a keylogger the minimum statistically possible window of opportunity.
rather old chap ^.^ hoff hoff.
Carry on my good man.
Q`alooaith
17-09-03, 01:14
Originally posted by kurai
Having to type the password only once inherently gives a keylogger the minimum statistically possible window of opportunity.
and if you want to reduce it more, take your PC offline the first time you type it, store it, then go away.. log on later..
FirestarXL
17-09-03, 01:18
Originally posted by Thanatos
Well, besides some "behind the scenes stuff" (GM related), he's working on a encryption method using hardware IDs for the passwords stored in the registry. If he gets that done, we'll revert the "type password every login" change.
Ahh, excellent, I'm glad you guys looked into doing that, because the typing the password thing everytime you log in after a crash would have become old very quickly. Kudos guys!
Combined with the nointro setting and the resume button in the test patch, getting back in after a crash will be a lot smoother and quicker, even for non Plutonians. :D
Originally posted by Q`alooaith
and if you want to reduce it more, take your PC offline the first time you type it, store it, then go away.. log on later.. Well - most loggers work async - the capture and transmit stages are separate, so it would simply save the info and send it off to Mr. H4xx0r when a connection was available again (or Mr. H4xx0r might have to poll the infected machine - same effect)
Originally posted by FirestarXL
Ahh, excellent, I'm glad you guys looked into doing that. . . Kudos
. . .Combined with the nointro setting and the resume button in the test patch, getting back in after a crash will be a lot smoother and quicker, even for non Plutonians. :D Seconded.
It's always good to see real and effective solutions implemented.
Q`alooaith
17-09-03, 01:21
Originally posted by kurai
Well - most loggers work async - the capture and transmit stages are separate, so it would simply save the info and send it off to Mr. H4xx0r when a connection was available again (or Mr. H4xx0r might have to poll the infected machine - same effect)
ahh, but in all that time, you type a bunch of random shit.. so any one could be a pasword...
but then it's easyer to just keep your PC safe and not download risky files, and such... Virus and other scanners.. reinstalling windows often also helps(twice a week)
Originally posted by Q`alooaith
ahh, but in all that time, you type a bunch of random shit.. so any one could be a pasword... Yeah - that's about the only thing that stops them being truly effective and a crippling pandemic - most loggers capture *everything*.
Picking a significant sequence out of all the keystrokes is difficult.
Q`alooaith
17-09-03, 01:29
Originally posted by kurai
Yeah - that's about the only thing that stops them being truly effective and a crippling pandemic - most loggers capture *everything*.
Picking a significant sequence out of all the keystrokes is difficult.
thats why I always spa... I mean post in the forums before loggin on..
counting is also fun game to do..
one, 1, two, 2, three, 3, four, 4, five, 5, six, 6... and so on.. ..
I do that mainly for any hard keyloggers and such, I'm a little paranoid, but anyway, fills em up so fast...
Originally posted by Q`alooaith
ahh, but in all that time, you type a bunch of random shit.. so any one could be a pasword...
and
Originally posted by kurai
Yeah - that's about the only thing that stops them being truly effective and a crippling pandemic - most loggers capture *everything*.
Picking a significant sequence out of all the keystrokes is difficult.
You both don't know much about keyloggers, well... good keyloggers.
I worked on a keylogger for a private company once, actually here
is the site:
http://www.rentacoder.com
Anyway, the keylogger uses "GetActiveWindow" api and records
the window's caption along with keystrokes. So, all a person would
have to do is do a text search for "neocron" and boom, everything
typed into the client will be there.
The keylogger would save the captured text when the buffer
is reached or at intervals, then it is encrypted to a file, usually
a good idea would be to use inconspicious file names like "thumbs.db".
The file is sent over a proxy (relay) server, presto.
Nobody is safe, just don't put nonsense into your system and
check your startup for unknown executables. I use MSCONFIG,
comes with window os > 9x.
FBI
Q`alooaith
17-09-03, 01:41
Originally posted by FBI
Nobody is safe, just don't put nonsense into your system and
check your startup for unknown executables. I use MSCONFIG,
comes with windows OS.
then me typing random shit into the password and login info's must realy dirve them mad...
+ Fresh windows install often, so not much junk like loggers have time to get on, before they go bye bye into the void..
Originally posted by Q`alooaith
then me typing random shit into the password and login info's must realy dirve them mad...
+ Fresh windows install often, so not much junk like loggers have time to get on, before they go bye bye into the void..
A good keylogger records mouse clicks as well. Even better
keyloggers get the caption of the child (button/label/textbox)
that you clicked. Although for games , this wouldn't be possible.
But, if someone were to look at the captured file with the key
strokes they could clearly see that you opened neocron, typed
a password and did a mouse click. Unless you clicked the mouse
100 times, im sure the person woudn't mind trying each password
before each mouse click until one worked.
Also, unless you could hit random keys and then type your password
without wasting any time, the capture would show a "delay"
since each stroke would be time stamped, this would show
that you stopped to click into the password box, typed a password,
then clicked again.
FBI
Originally posted by FBI
You both don't know much about keyloggers, well... good keyloggers. . . . Nobody is safe, just don't put nonsense into your system and check your startup for unknown executables.
That's why I said "Picking a significant sequence out of all the keystrokes is difficult" - *not* impossible :D
Most keyloggers do tend to be simple - the more complex and refined your system, the bigger the footprint and the more potentially detectable your logger is to 3rd party tools, if not the user.
I totally agree with the last part - no-one will ever be 100% safe - all you can do is minimize the risks.
Q`alooaith
17-09-03, 02:03
Originally posted by FBI
Also, unless you could hit random keys and then type your password
without wasting any time, the capture would show a "delay"
since each stroke would be time stamped, this would show
that you stopped to click into the password box, typed a password,
then clicked again.
it takes me three seconds to type my password, or so, and it looks pretty random when you see it typed out...
can't be totaly safe, but can be as near as is..
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