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Ok pole is simple, should players with LE's in be able to GR to any location, that they have tagged (thus allowing them to easily level there charicter)
Ah another LE expliot post.
I think LE should shut down out of neocron
Id rather have a uber dungeon down in the mainsewers, with high level mobs down there, and the lower you go, the dangerous it becomes..
Mobs would be;
Giant Roaches
Giant Green Rats
Giant Spiders
More dangerous Spider mutant thingeys
etc etc etc.
Everyone that have their "base" in the wastelands have some sort of high level dungeon, why shouldnt Neocron, the city have them?
Jesterthegreat
08-09-03, 16:08
Originally posted by KimmyG
Ah another LE expliot post.
I think LE should shut down out of neocron
ban taking out of LE... stupid idea? yup... re read your own post though
each to their own, name a few LE exploits (no detail... tis not allowed ^.^)
:edit: no none of my chars on any server use an LE
BlackPrince
08-09-03, 16:14
Originally posted by Jesterthegreat
:edit: no none of my chars on any server use an LE
LE'd Scouts during Op fights feeding info.
LE scouts running around inside a faction base finding noobs who are hiding and giving that info to the attackers.
Sorry folks, LE users are just as vulnerable to non-violent player actions as everyone else.
What makes you think you're so special that you don't have to suffer the ramifications of faction RP?
Jesterthegreat
08-09-03, 16:20
faction RP... i like that...
is that the 'omg! he is teh red! i r0x0r j00!' approach?
tbh that is embarrasing
edit
btw i never get this prob with LE users... i tend to get it with non LE clan members.. a clan who claims to be neutral then double crosses you o.O
in EVERY MMORPG there is some sort of non-PvP measure...
EQ has a book thing, DAoC has realms / PvP server, AO had something, but i forget what
face it... LE is there to stay
___T-X____
08-09-03, 16:27
Nerf teh LE
BlackPrince
08-09-03, 16:30
Oh sorry if other folks' RP doesn't agree with you. I mean, you obviously play all the servers, know all the clans, and have been able to judge their RP objectively. I humbly retract my prior statement.
While we're opening GRs to LE Users maybe we should also let them damage boost people, take out turrets, and anything else they want.
o_O
Sorry, but right now LE users are such a minority of the population any pandering to them will do nothing but have negative effects for the rest of us.
Originally posted by KimmyG
Ah another LE expliot post.
I think LE should shut down out of neocron
The only LE Exploit I know of is a way of getting round the PvP damage block under certain conditions. LE Scouts I would call a valid (although underhanded and annoying) tactic of OP wars, and not an exploit.
Lose the LE, and NC will lose a lot of players, n00bs and vets alike. Hell, there isn't a lot keeping me here any more - something like that and I'd be back to Counterstrike. All of my characters are LE'd, including my level 68 Spy.
What makes you think you're so special that you don't have to suffer the ramifications of faction RP?
Faction RP?! :lol: Bumped into one of those last night on Saturn. It was a BD runner, who gunned down an FA runner from behind while he was at a shop. I asked him why he did it. "Faction enemy" was the answer. Faction RP is just another excuse for RPKing, and that's the main reason a lot of people keep an LE in right the way to capped. LE users aren't special, we've just chosen to opt out of PvP.
A fact that seems to intensely annoy some people. :D
Shock.
Edit: Almost forgot. I voted no, because I think by opting out of the PvP side of the game and Clans (and therefore OP wars) LE users have also given up their right to affect where they can GR to.
Ok this would allow easy scouting of ops tele right there see whats going down.
People who start shit get KoS cause they picked the wrong fights so now when yea wanna lvl you pop your LE back in.
People who choose one faction but wanna lvl in enemy territory no problem just put my LE in at lvling time and rip it out when I wanna do other shit.
Originally posted by Duder
Id rather have a uber dungeon down in the mainsewers, with high level mobs down there, and the lower you go, the dangerous it becomes..
Mobs would be;
Giant Roaches
Giant Green Rats
Giant Spiders
More dangerous Spider mutant thingeys
etc etc etc.
Everyone that have their "base" in the wastelands have some sort of high level dungeon, why shouldnt Neocron, the city have them?
rofl yeah, ''giant sewer rat queen'' 120/120 and drops huge pieces of meat, wich u can sell to the resutrants for 150k
I think that runner under a certain rank and who have their LE in should be able to genrepa anywhere....
TBH I think that because of a few twats who use LE characters to scout out in OPs etc (although your turrets should kill them anyway, seeing as they can't be buffed by any non LE character) we should make life harder and less interesting for the common newb. atm we are getting a huge influx of newbs and I don't see any wanting to stay on too long if they are going to be restricted to the city, as the wasteland is quite an interesting place.
Anyway I vote yeah. For noobs.
actually, i rather see some high level sewers in the city(other than ncpd :)), that would be really awesome.
I voted no. It's too open to exploits, and you are giving a bonus to players who shouldn't get one.
However if it was to be then it should have the following.
- LE player gets x2 SI when GR'ing to a hostile GR.
- LE player can be targetted and killed by turrets and cannot attack them back.
- LE player cannot enter underground areas of bases that are hostile.
- LE players over level 20 do not get the option to GR anywhere. (or if they do, then they should get x3 or more SI)
i voted no, even though all my characters have their LE's. i've made the decision not to be involved with the PVP aspect which is the primary reason for the outposts. if i want to change the way an outpost gr is set then i should remove my LE, join a clan and do something about it.
As for the newbies, well they have to run out to the GR in the first place anyway (or be driven). there are a few non-outpost GR's that could be tagged while they are out.
As an LE'd runner i dont want any "special" treatment (other than the safety from being ganked).
Originally posted by AxeMan
i voted no, even though all my characters have their LE's. i've made the decision not to be involved with the PVP aspect which is the primary reason for the outposts. if i want to change the way an outpost gr is set then i should remove my LE, join a clan and do something about it.
As for the newbies, well they have to run out to the GR in the first place anyway (or be driven). there are a few non-outpost GR's that could be tagged while they are out.
As an LE'd runner i dont want any "special" treatment (other than the safety from being ganked).
Thank you. That is possibly the first ever post by an LE user than didn't degenerate into blind, insulting comments about PKers.
What is the point of changeing this for lows the only real GR problem would be GRing to the cycrow zone or for other high lvl crap and if your going there your not a n00b anymore.
BlackPrince
08-09-03, 17:48
Originally posted by KimmyG
What is the point of changeing this for lows the only real GR problem would be GRing to the cycrow zone or for other high lvl crap and if your going there your not a n00b anymore.
Exactly. No matter how he may phrase it, its not 'for the noobs', its for him and other high level LE's who don't like having to run to get 't3h ub3r Xp'.
Axeman summed it up perfectly.
one other thing i should have added. for those that would like to incorporate some way to help out newbies / lowlevel runners. there is a work-around for the clan that wants to exploit even that.
one of the clan members creates a new character and uses that for the spying. then we are back to the potential exploit again.
I'm sorry but i just cant see a way to help newbie's that would be impossible for someone to exploit.
BlackPrince
08-09-03, 18:08
Give Op owners a Ban list.
They add names to it and that char is banned from using that GR anytime the clan who's list he's on owns the Op.
Better than that, give us an Access list as well, so we can allow true noobs and neutral LE's to level.
Heraclitus
08-09-03, 18:32
I say instead of an LE chip, that there be Law Enforced areas (mostly lower-level Neocron hunting grounds) and that be the end of it.
No. The sooner somebody takes out their LE - the more fun they'll have!
(well I think so anyway)
More seriously - there are two far more important changes:
1. Have a boss mob and dungeon under Neocron. CM/TG/FA all have nearby caves to play in - what don't city folk?
(I'd like Cthulu under NC but I guess he's more than 120/120)
This will be more important when DOY arrives - the guys who don't get in the city had better get something nice....
2. Fix the GRs at Escabar & El Farid so you land somewhere safe (and not on top of a Johnny 5)
John
80% of people who play cron now are high level players...
I bought a secound account and found it extremly hard to level, no I cant go to CRP ... NO I cant go to tescom .. . . etc
How about a comprimise?
If you havent taken you LE out at all yet, GR settings dont effect you.
well ether way... my charicter is lvled now. . . just wasnt fun becuase the only leveling locals available were MB and TG.
BlackPrince
09-09-03, 15:43
Originally posted by G.0.D.
80% of people who play cron now are high level players...
I bought a secound account and found it extremly hard to level, no I cant go to CRP ... NO I cant go to tescom .. . . etc
How about a comprimise?
If you havent taken you LE out at all yet, GR settings dont effect you.
well ether way... my charicter is lvled now. . . just wasnt fun becuase the only leveling locals available were MB and TG.
Its called a hovertech. Makes travelling to all those places real easy.
Mighty Max
09-09-03, 15:46
As a LE wearing player, i dont want to have any advantages or disadvantages as the non-LE player - just seen as pk switch.
So no plus of GR everywhere ....
*me waiting for the disadvantages to disappear*
*me waiting for sthg that may never be done*
Originally posted by BlackPrince
Its called a hovertech. Makes travelling to all those places real easy.
I've got one character that drives. The other 4 I'm mucking about with don't have that option, because they can't afford the points for it (Either through low level or specialization). You can't just say "Learn to drive, n00b" - quite often it's not viable.
Personally when I want to get somewhere I can't GR to and can't be bothered to walk, I Venture Warp. If I end up on the wrong side of the planet, I GR back and try again.
Shock.
Edit:
I second everything MightyMax said. :)
Specialisation is only a problem for PvP based chars. For PvM it doesn't matter if you sacrifice a little RoF on your weapons to drive. And even for PvP chars it's not much of a sacrifice to be able to drive a hovertec.
As I'm sure you (being the "crazy guy with the CS" :) ) are aware, every point counts. Besides, it's not just combat skills that take DEX specialization.
Shock.
Yes, every point counts for me, but I still manage some force resist and transport on my tank, and though he can rep, clone and drive vehicles I intend to lom the rep and rec, he can still drive a jeep. My rifle PE drives a hovertec, yet he still manages to beat 4 SXR by himself in a fight. :)
Each to their own. I prefer a higher AGL and the magical mystery tour that is hte Venture Warp. You never know when you're going to spawn in the lap of a Doom Reaper. :D
Shock.
No, as I dont want to see the creation of a game inside a game, and these GR rules would be the next step to a LE-game within a PvP-game.
On top of that, I dont really see the point...I somehow have the feeling it is about blocked access to some common leveling spots. And changing the current GR rules just to give people access to their favorite leveling spots is a big no no. The game changes, live with it. It is not like you can't level. There are uncounted places to level, maybe it is about time to get some points in VHC and seek for a new leveling place in the accessable areas...there are plenty of them.
LE's point is to keep you out of PvP, not out of the entire game. Territory fights and due to this access control are a new part of the game. And many people do really like it that way...
i voted NO. cause LE users would just be taking the p!ss out of the faction system. by being able to go to enemy territory and not face the wrath of the enemy players.
Although I still keep my LE in for my tank, I say no. With my LE in I'm free to explore the game world with my only worry being mobs, not some arse who thinks pking a noob is a great idea. I took my LE out early for my APU, and even when I was x/10 I was getting ganked by high level and capped players in newbie hunting grounds. What chance did I even have? Not as if I could have done any real damage.
I dont want to worry about that crap with a new character who stands no chance to fight back. I want to level in peace. I want to explore the map and tag GRs for future use in peace. I want to be able to have some fun, rather than getting continuously ganked by some capped "I R |337!!!111ONOS!!" tit who thinks PKing a low level character is a major achievement.
Take my LE and I'll probably leave this game. I have a non-LE'd character who I accept getting ganked with. He's a decent level so at least stands a chance 1 on 1.
As far as using LE'd user to scout enemy ops out, yeah thats lame, but what can you do? I dont think penalising all of us LE users and the newbies based on the actions of a few retards is entirely fair.
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