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Anyone wanna post their uber elite setup?
Lest we die and fail to live on through our peers we should end the silence.
What armor setup / imps / resists do YOU use?
What would you like to know more about?
What would you like to see fixed (in relation to resists)?
Bubye,
oath.
SigmaDraconis
05-09-03, 12:23
yes..yes YES encourage the cookie cutter effect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :(
Sry i just dont like the public tweaking of everyone setting up tends to usually end with the same resuslts i.e. same charactors around everywhere..
True i suppose.
Personally i have my own armor and imp setup, just wondering what the Norm resists are like (i have my own setup too *works for me lol*)
Peeping Tom
05-09-03, 12:28
elite setting for wut class ?
setup for tanks are like this 100 psu inn int 150 tra rest inn frc resist
inn con get close to 100 atl\end\por resist
dex and psi is uber secrect and i wont tell
K4F
maybe if you posted your own setup people might be forthcoming with their own
Andy
SigmaDraconis
05-09-03, 12:30
100 POr thats insane its better in HLT and only 50 ATL the rest ino HLT aswell..they need to take alot of damage :\
Monks need lots and LOTS of MST so they can cast those spells out of GR.
100 POr thats insane its better in HLT and only 50 ATL the rest ino HLT aswell..they need to take alot of damage :\
Monks need lots and LOTS of MST so they can cast those spells out of GR.
elite setting for wut class ?
setup for tanks are like this 100 psu inn int 150 tra rest inn frc resist
inn con get close to 100 atl\end\por resist
dex and psi is uber secrect and i wont tell
K4F
Nice setups o_O Oath i would advise you to combine the 2 setups described above, then you will be uber
Andy
Originally posted by Peeping Tom
elite setting for wut class ?
setup for tanks are like this 100 psu inn int 150 tra rest inn frc resist
inn con get close to 100 atl\end\por resist
dex and psi is uber secrect and i wont tell
K4F
Lmao......wow trully tis ubar.
i have over high resists at mom but it works for me,
with armor and chips i go to bout 140 energy
114 xry
114 fire
70 Bh
Rest mostly athletics ans some poison. oh, and KOS KOS it probably wont work for anyone but me lol, but isnt that like all resist setups. i tried the whole 'Balanced' setup usign the ammo ratio, but its gimped like that (though good with a little tweak)
Ok so bring on the 'OMG YOU RESIST ARE SHIT YOU NOOB !!!!!!!1111111111oobeoeboeb'
H4x
Oath.
Originally posted by SigmaDraconis
Monks need lots and LOTS of MST so they can cast those spells out of GR.
I used that when the DS didnt have any requirements, thus i started with a fully working set of imps 10 secs after GRing.
But now its @ PSI 95, so no more need of mst.
With bonusses i got 180 ppu, enough mst to cast cath sanctum when 0 SI, and the rest in ppw.
Originally posted by stigmata
Nice setups o_O Oath i would advise you to combine the 2 setups described above, then you will be uber
Andy
Anyone that CAN combine the two above setups is trully ub4r!
Oath.
PS. is this a double post?.........probably.
___T-X____
05-09-03, 12:37
u know me oath, a tank.
capped not quite done Cons yet
best imps bone wise
FH2
pp resist
Targeting 3
Distance 3
Marine
Hard Back 3
HP 372
Fire 25
xray 114
Posion 15 from the resist
85 energy
Dur 4
Ath / AGY 110/110 i think (i found 120 matched to be cap on both)
something like that, i cant be arsed loggin t-x on
yes, i take the chance on fire - i dont need telling. But i know who uses heat CS's and i mix Inq 4 against non tank class.
thanks TX.
the first person to take the post seriously lol.
Respect.
___T-X____
05-09-03, 12:42
aye, enxt time im on, ill DM u dude. Hope your well haven t spoke for a while. Do a few rounds in FN if you are changing your setup.
SigmaDraconis
05-09-03, 12:44
i used to use target 3 on a tank...till i realised WEP did fuckall even for AIM on cannons..
Peeping Tom
05-09-03, 12:45
Originally posted by Oath
thanks TX.
the first person to take the post seriously lol.
Respect. could be something about your topic lol and dat you failed to say your con and class etc at start :P
anyway my tank con aint nuffing magic just read some stuff here and there chough chough (http://neocron.ems.ru/)
K4F
ps my i was wrong you need 114 por and rest inn 100 atl\end to be uber
[edit] grrrr quote'd wrong dude
___T-X____
05-09-03, 12:45
i have WL116, and theres no subskill that does nothing. I hope you dont use a Herc or move on lol.
a Tank, about 97% Cons. once your near cap its doesnt make a difference in my opinion- in your going to win, your going to win etc
Originally posted by SigmaDraconis
i used to use target 3 on a tank...till i realised WEP did fuckall even for AIM on cannons..
Not true, id doesnt do AS much as for rifles or Pistols, but it DOES increase aiming a fair bit.
Originally posted by Peeping Tom
could be something about your topic lol and dat you failed to say your con and class etc at start :P
anyway my tank con aint nuffing magic just read some stuff here and there chough chough (http://neocron.ems.ru/)
K4F
Yeah i checked that and i worked out an 'Elite' setup, but i dont wanna om to it lol. and tbh no-pne that plays regularly anymore has a cs (my mates lol) theyre all on other servers :(.
Peeping Tom
05-09-03, 12:49
Originally posted by Oath
Not true, id doesnt do AS much as for rifles or Pistols, but it DOES increase aiming a fair bit.
yes but not enuf to sacrifice a brain slot for it
Yeah i checked that and i worked out an 'Elite' setup, but i dont wanna om to it lol. and tbh no-pne that plays regularly anymore has a cs (my mates lol) theyre all on other servers .
jsut go to PP 1 and ask if some one can shoot you a couple of times last time i checked my setup i took 90 dmg from cs.. like i said nuffing magic about dat think i take some where between 80-90 dmg from cs atm
K4F
___T-X____
05-09-03, 12:51
i worked out the perfect setup using emu.ru website. I tried it, and its was great on paper, made sense. But it was shit.
You have to find what works for you. As a tank I find the best setup to be the fasted tanks 120/120 etc ATH AGY. Slutsumi is an example of this although he's a twat.
I try to stay at 90 Degree's of the person im dueling, regardless of class using 3rd person. Once i start to get behind someone, they are fucked. tanks with under about 75/75 dont really stand a chance.
In op fights against another tank a tangent freeze will win you a fight.
Originally posted by Peeping Tom
yes but not enuf to sacrifice a brain slot for it
K4F
Also true, but thats what this thread is about, discussion.
Personally i'll try it, if it doesnt work ill ditch it. at the mom im no-where near cap (damned rerolls) so i need loads of weapon lore to compensate for my 170 heavy lol.
P.s i made a melee tank with the 'Ems.ru' guide setup........and he took 250 dmg from cs lol ( hewas nearly capped) spent ages lomming, now i deleted him in a fit of rage lol.
Peeping Tom
05-09-03, 12:56
well for a capped tank i would use Marine, move on, PP CPU ,AMC 3, ( or Herc if you got one ) and either drug up for PA 2 fi you dont have a herc
anyway i would ditch zerk 3 soon as you dont need the extra str from it
Originally posted by ___T-X____
In op fights against another tank a tangent freeze will win you a fight.
Freezing is lame and total unneccisary
ps Otis i did say PP CPU = PROTO PHARMA RESISTOR :P
K4F
well for a capped tank i would use Marine, move on, PP CPU ,AMC 3, ( or Herc if you got one ) and either drug up for PA 2 fi you dont have a herc
What about pp resistOR?o_O o_O o_O o_O o_O o_O
Opps sorry thats what u meant by pp ok i gotcha:lol: :lol:
___T-X____
05-09-03, 13:00
the pp is the resist0r. wish i could fight more tanks with hercs ive beat everyone easily apart from rip
i have a herc what server are u on?
___T-X____
05-09-03, 13:02
uranus, ill need 3 repairs, please say u have a tank on uranus
SigmaDraconis
05-09-03, 13:03
TX youll find that the herc/MOVEON does about as much for yur aiming form the HC bonus that a target 3 does from WEP bonus..no joke...
Peeping Tom
05-09-03, 13:04
Originally posted by ___T-X____
uranus, ill need 3 repairs, please say u have a tank on uranus
i got high lv apu and a low lv spy there
Originally posted by SigmaDraconis
TX youll find that the herc/MOVEON does about as much for yur aiming form the HC bonus that a target 3 does from WEP bonus..no joke...
and not talk about the extra hp :) over 500 hp is nice to have :)
ps bah ppl are posting so fast
K4F
im not 100 % sure of my setup atm as im at work, however my tank only needs 7 CON to cap out after I lommed 4 levels away *sigh* but heres roughly how it is
IMPS:
Marine, Moveon, Resistor, Adv Movement 3, HBB3, Melee eye 3, Filter heart 2, usual bones ^^
Ath base 48 and its around 78ish with imps
Bodyhealth is 109 with imps
End is base 0
Fire is base 60ish +15 from reistor.
Energy is 114 with imps.
Xray is 114 with imps.
Poison is 15 with imps.
Armour is mixed and no I aint saying ^^
It's not exactly a big secret, ive told enough people about my CON/Armour setup and the ammount of people I was testing it with will also know it.
I like my CON/Armour setup :) It's pretty sweet now compared to some people, ive seen high level tanks take like 150 from a CS burst, Hell I used to take that, but after all this damn lomming I take arounr 50/60 a burst full on from either xray or xheat, even less in a fight because you never take 4 bang on hits.
___T-X____
05-09-03, 13:06
a while there was a link to techical information on what each subskill does. I did the maths, and the tar 3 worked out best
Originally posted by ___T-X____
a while there was a link to techical information on what each subskill does. I did the maths, and the tar 3 worked out best
I wouldnt bother man, if a CS is all you use then yea but youll be getting shitty damage and ROF on the AOE weapons with higher TL than a CS
T-X whats your total HC, Tra and Res force ?
___T-X____
05-09-03, 13:10
even less in a fight because you never take 4 bang on hits.
u do when the tanks got 116WL and can run rings around you. You armour sounds like a INQ 4 full setup which is a good setup
all in h-c, only imp bonuses in tra or for
Dribble Joy
05-09-03, 13:15
I'd post my setup, but it's kinda useless to most as it is geared to useing the judge.
Lets just say I have 110+ in all resists exept poison, capped judge, and 75+ agl/atl
Originally posted by ___T-X____
u do when the tanks got 116WL and can run rings around you. You armour sounds like a INQ 4 full setup which is a good setup
all in h-c, only imp bonuses in tra or for
its not full inq 4 :)
My tanks uber freaking fast aswell, prolly one of the fastest on pluto when i have my cannon out as i have around 116 agility o_O my ath is at 78 which is the max effectiveness for the points :) Fire mob's tickle and DOY mobs with their pure Xray dont hurt me as much as other classes.
Thing is T-X another thing im learning with my pistol PE, your chars skill has jack shit to do with your stats, it has jack shit to do with your weapon and if it has a swirly. All that counts is your preperation before the fight aswell as your movement and your twitch reactions with your mouse, hell whats the point of trying if your slow and inaccurate with your mouse, your aimings gonna suck.
SigmaDraconis
05-09-03, 13:21
Originally posted by \\Fényx//
im not 100 % sure of my setup atm as im at work, however my tank only needs 7 CON to cap out after I lommed 4 levels away *sigh* but heres roughly how it is
IMPS:
Marine, Moveon, Resistor, Adv Movement 3, HBB3, Melee eye 3, Filter heart 2, usual bones ^^
Ath base 48 and its around 78ish with imps
Bodyhealth is 109 with imps
End is base 0
Fire is base 60ish +15 from reistor.
Energy is 114 with imps.
Xray is 114 with imps.
Poison is 15 with imps.
Armour is mixed and no I aint saying ^^
It's not exactly a big secret, ive told enough people about my CON/Armour setup and the ammount of people I was testing it with will also know it.
I like my CON/Armour setup :) It's pretty sweet now compared to some people, ive seen high level tanks take like 150 from a CS burst, Hell I used to take that, but after all this damn lomming I take arounr 50/60 a burst full on from either xray or xheat, even less in a fight because you never take 4 bang on hits.
I used to take 40 or so from both xray and xheat CS....i pop in my resistor and get to CON 105 and i take about 80...its freaky shit :( well i dotn have my tank now but you get what im sayin..
___T-X____
05-09-03, 13:28
I bought a Microsoft Intellimouse 3 which has the best DPi per movement than any other mouse on the planet apartently. So its supposed to be decent for gaming - still wont do much for me on a bad day, heh.
I know what your saying about the swirlly. I have a 5 slot ultimated TPC, its sick with god aim.
40 from a cs as an unbuffed tank? yeh right....
SigmaDraconis
05-09-03, 13:32
sigh....read the last line of the quote :rolleyes: a full burst is going to do about 50 but unless yur dumb enough to stand totally still you will rarely get hit with more then 3 rounds..usually less when fighting an average tank who doesnt know hwo to utilize the plasmas unique aiming.
MayhemMike
05-09-03, 13:34
FBI you have my setup
0 Atl
0 health
150 endurance
0fire
0 energy
1 xray
200 resist posion , best way to go
Armor: shelter pants/vest/helmet/boots
U dont beat me easily TX :)
Anyways ill post my setup when I get home
What I did wonder from a tank perspective is how much damage u take from a CS 70 ? 80 ? 90 ?
Please dont bullshit mine varys form 70 - 90 which is bizarre tbh
I know CS is not a test weapon but its what most ppl fight against :)
___T-X____
05-09-03, 13:40
never said i did Barar, i said i kick Herc users arses...and tanks with low agy /ath.
We _ALWAYS_ have a very close fight, infact your probably one of a limited few ppl that is so much fun to fight.
glad to see your still around mate,. policing the tank posts lol
another thing tho is what is your total hit points.
All well and good saying I only take 50 from a CS hit but when you have 300 health total thats a bit freaking shitty o_O
My tank has a total of 544 health when i have my basic one buff on, cant remember unbuffed tho.
MayhemMike
05-09-03, 13:41
Oo. mine has 200 .
Yeah started tank on saturn fancied a change - actually players on there :)
Interested by the 40 - 50 damage off CS :)
Ive seen bout 60 of Djingo but not sure if seen lower
Dribble Joy
05-09-03, 13:53
yeah, tanks can't use the shelter/deflectors PEs can, and even they take at least 40.
60 sounds more like it.
Originally posted by Dribble Joy
yeah, tanks can't use the shelter/deflectors PEs can, and even they take at least 40.
60 sounds more like it.
Ya my PE shelterd takes arounf 50 while shelterd, however poison rapes him and fire also hurts alot o_O
SigmaDraconis
05-09-03, 13:56
Well you have to take HP into account..i was around 420 for awhile..i didnt realise most of you went so high as to 540 o.0
Peeping Tom
05-09-03, 13:58
Originally posted by SigmaDraconis
Well you have to take HP into account..i was around 420 for awhile..i didnt realise most of you went so high as to 540 o.0
i got more :P not sure if im putting more into hlt or not.. i only got con 94 atm i think (97mill xp )
K4F
Dribble Joy
05-09-03, 14:02
Originally posted by SigmaDraconis
Well you have to take HP into account..i was around 420 for awhile..i didnt realise most of you went so high as to 540 o.0
For a tank or PE?
I've been experimenting with low body health to boost my PE resist setup. So far - it seems okay (I just don't hunt monsters)
Does anybody have any views about this?
(I know most pvp spies do this - but they don't have the choice....)
Dribble Joy
05-09-03, 14:08
With redflash i have 404 (ish) hp
When the new xray bone imps come along I will have more.
Many PEs have at least 450 (so do I but redflash is a creul mistress :p)
My tank - base 100 cons
energy - 85
xray - 100
fire - 85
poison - secret :p
targetting 3/moveon/marines/amc3/fh2
cypherhelmet(im sick of dropping armour)/dura4/or/pa2/medium belt/inq4 trousers/inq boots
Bah, it works for me anyway :lol: i got 165 mill con so i can lom some if need be ;)
Originally posted by Dribble Joy
With redflash i have 404 (ish) hp
When the new xray bone imps come along I will have more.
Many PEs have at least 450 (so do I but redflash is a creul mistress :p)
my PE's got like 320 HP rofl, still got like 9 CON levels and 4 DEX to get for my PE, he's only like 10 hays old tho, and I only leveld up for like the first 2 days ^^ around 35 hours straight, in the CRP caves o_O Me and Eric Cobalt went into the caves at like rank /20 and came out at about rank /60 ^^
How do you cap resists as a PE with so high health?
(and what effect does high health have in pvp - if weapon damage is proportional to total body health AND death is server side only?)
Answers on a postcard please...
John
Peeping Tom
05-09-03, 14:19
Originally posted by Parker
How do you cap resists as a PE with so high health?
John
i would say its low hp.. i had a pe with much more hp dat i was hapy with but i lomed to less hp and more resist since ppl told me it was better.. i regreted lomed more.. and lomed anded up deleteting the whole char and made apu insted :P
K4F
SigmaDraconis
05-09-03, 14:21
my tank had 420 HP with 97 base CON...
my PE had 280 (yes only 280) with 62 base CON...
and fenix do u have ANY POR? from imps even?
Dribble Joy
05-09-03, 14:21
Getting a PE resist/health 'right', is quite hard, as with all aspect of PE setup.
Well like I said - I had low body health AND i was running around with a moveon chip (mainly to get slightly better armour - but it added health)
I was never convinced the moveon was really helping things though - and then I finally got my hands on a SA - and so popped the moveon. I now have even lower health. Still not happy with my resists though .... (though I kill more than i die...)
Dribble Joy
05-09-03, 14:28
MOVEON, is cool, +18 HTL really helps.
I must confess that I use heat 1, +20 energy/fire is too good.
You will only really need 110-115 total armour (whole bunch of other threads about that though, lets not go there)
I use, SA, SF, Dist3, PP.
The PP is a fucking god send. The reason I use redflash and not another +5 dex imp.
Cryotchekk
05-09-03, 14:28
everyone laughs at my tank setup even if they have never dueled me. lol, wankers. oh well i worked this setup out when epics had first been put in, but i aint played a tank since then and people are using fire cs's now
str- all hc
int- split between psi and wpl (i had almost capped rof cs anyway)
con- 70 energy, 70 xray, 70 ath, 70ish health, 40 ish end
dex- i had 90 pc, 50ish agil, and just ehough tc for cs
imps- marine, moveon, pp resistor, bb3, zerk2+3 usual bones
armour- duranit 3, pa1 (did have enough str for pa2) battle boots 3
that equaled about:
540 hp, 120 is end thingy, 47 psi (just enough for deflector sanctum) 200+ish energy resist, 85 xray resist, 15 fire/poison resist, 100 ish force/peirce resist
i know people will now spam me saying that that setup sucks :(
SigmaDraconis
05-09-03, 14:30
My Pe was tweaked so much it was starting to hurt...Being tech is tough..being a Judge user is even tougher esspeccially considering i didnt use dist3 or EBC3.. :\
and i dunno if it sjust me or what...but every..yes EVERY time id die..and get rezzed id have to pop a drug b4 i coudl use ANY guns..even lib....dunno why all my imps were already active..allt he stats were there...the guns were even lit up....i tried over speccing my TC and such aswell..it just wasnt working..became more of a hassle and was basically making me OP war ineffective..one of th emain reasons i rerolled. Sometimes id have -10 TC for absolutly no reason..very fucking annoying..
Dribble Joy
05-09-03, 14:31
Only thing wrong there is the energy res and the END, lom those into fire.
Dribble
I use balli 3 rather than dist 3 but otherwise the same (i have a filter 2 too).
I just never liked using drugs - mainly because I do more op wars than duelling
and always hit the snowy after drug effect just as things kick off.
Dribble Joy
05-09-03, 14:36
Dist 3 = 8 PC/TC
Balli 3 = 5 PC/TC
I use redflash (at least untill the PEPA (depending on its bonuses))
So those other points go straight into agl
Originally posted by Barar
Yeah started tank on saturn fancied a change - actually players on there :)
Interested by the 40 - 50 damage off CS :)
Ive seen bout 60 of Djingo but not sure if seen lower
He has been lower lol so have i, but it was unviable, we got cs dmg to 35 .....but....had 0 health 0 athlet etc.....tottaly unviable, i'd say with a viable setup, between 50 - 90 dmg from cs.
hehe 160 energy 120 xry 120 fire (including armor course........)
good setuop but WAY to slow and low health.
FYI, you dont need any points oin endurance people, use boosters if you dont you'll get owned
Dribble Joy
05-09-03, 15:09
Originally posted by Oath
FYI, you dont need any points oin endurance people, use boosters if you dont you'll get owned
Bat chest pwns
WHat server do you play on I wanna see this 40 from a CS.
Originally posted by KimmyG
WHat server do you play on I wanna see this 40 from a CS.
he hasnt got a tank anymore :p plus cryochekk with his newb tank setup is currently a newb tank on pluto atm. SigmaDrac is also on pluto but is a PE atm i believe.
my tank con sucks balls i take uber damage from like everything :)
my pe setup is pretty reasnoable i can laugh at smurfs for a fair while before i have to turn and kill them.
my monk is damn good for a monk even unbuffed i can take an offensive amount of damage (for a monk)
tanks have too many cons points i dont know what to do with them all :)
QuantumDelta
05-09-03, 16:04
QD Implant setup:
EXP Bal3, SF, PP Resistor, Dist3 (Interchangable for moveon), EXP Reflex 4, usual bones, Pistol Eye3.
Armor: Sorry, not at liberty to tell, since it was a joint development :P
Resists, well, I'm specialised in XRR in natural CON, generally I use BR3 as a buff, 15/15 FIR/ENR, okay, not as good as Heat1, but, 20 HLT is more points effective than 20/20 FIR/ENR in my configuration.
POR - Fairly low, but tollerable for even Holy Pesti(Especially with MOVEON For VKA, which I do quite often in op fights).
ENR/FIR Equal, complimented by armor to cap resist.
I got 400ish HP during combat without MOVEON, 500ish with MOVEON.
Stable combat setup without drugs.
Amplified by drugs, full combat setup, full defence mode, that's what earned me any status I have on Uranus.
how much info I'm allowed to pass out depends on how much XaNToR/Rabbi Fang/VetteroX pass out (I've already said more than Vet would :P)
Gokou's Implants:
Marine, MOVEON, PP Resistor, AMC3, FH2, Usual bones.
Armor setup is mixed between Inqui and Duranium.
ATL106
HLT 113
END 55
FIR 65
ENR 65
XRR 105
POR 45
All values after imps.
2 Free Points - CON Level 91.
Originally posted by Oath
P.s i made a melee tank with the 'Ems.ru' guide setup........and he took 250 dmg from cs lol ( hewas nearly capped) spent ages lomming, now i deleted him in a fit of rage lol.
ems.ru is, as I have said repeatedly, a GREAT Website for starter information, it's also good for weapon values, however, for the most advanced stuff it isn't that great...
Cryotchekk
05-09-03, 16:08
lol @ fenyx.
the only tank ive EVER seen take like 40 damage unbuffed was shadow, so no offence fenyx, i doubt you can get that small amount of cs damage. plus please will you tell me how it is a newb settup? i know about the fire part but aparently having overall energy resist over 200 is pretty point less, so i want to see having 114 + what ever u get from armour not pointless?
ZoneVortex
05-09-03, 16:10
Gaaaaaah NOOOOO. Why're all you tanks using adv. movement 3!! and why're you using targetting 3!!! Baaaah!!!! With a herc and 100 str and PA 2 on, aiming caps on the CS as well as frequency I believe. Also, you don't need the huge ath bonus from adv. movement 3 if you just pile any dex you don't need in TC into Agility.
Here's what my tank uses:
Moveon, resistor, Marine, Berserk 3 (lol, not capped yet)
Hmmm conwise....I forget....
25 transport and all the rest in HC.
capped CS with only 102% on damage hehehe....
shitty aiming though, meh.
I also have a PE setup sketched out on paper right now, dunno how it'll perform as i've never played a PE, but we'll see ;)
if it's any good i'll post it.
The imp setup for this PE however is....
Distance wep 3
Pp resistor
SF cpu
Motoric 3 (Subject to change, as that's a boring imp...though i need the dex)
rifle eye 3
exp. reflex 4
filter heart 2
Originally posted by QuantumDelta
Armor: Sorry, not at liberty to tell, since it was a joint development :P
heh mines a variation of yours anyway cept i nearly always wear vka so i dont have to con por use them else where
never use dist 3 either keep moveon shoved in there all the time
QuantumDelta
05-09-03, 16:16
Originally posted by ZoneVortex
Gaaaaaah NOOOOO. Why're all you tanks using adv. movement 3!! and why're you using targetting 3!!! Baaaah!!!! With a herc and 100 str and PA 2 on, aiming caps on the CS as well as frequency I believe. Also, you don't need the huge ath bonus from adv. movement 3 if you just pile any dex you don't need in TC into Agility.
I run about as fast with my cannon out as people do with theirs in...so, don't care much to remove the AMC3, it saves points.
Here's what my tank uses:
Moveon, resistor, Marine, Berserk 3 (lol, not capped yet)
I've been considering herc for zerk3(in your case), or AMC3, however, 20 extra bolts a minute isn't really 100% nessicary on a CS imo o_O
Hmmm conwise....I forget....
25 transport and all the rest in HC.
You don't need TRA after leveling, so put that in FOR if you don't think you need it in HC, it adds some protection against PEs/Libs/TSGs/TGCs.
capped CS with only 102% on damage hehehe....
Damage is the easiest thing to cap on CS, some people cap CS damage before they can use it.
shitty aiming though, meh.
Shitty first lock acquisition, your reticle retension is probably very high.
Edit:
Heh, Ya I know Hinch, that was my old setup :p
Moto3 can only be even remotely justified ina RoG PE.... tbh even then, it's a suckass implant....
I have still yet to see one of these uber CS resist tanks in action. most tanks take 100+ and some of the good ones take in the area of 70 unsheltered. I would love to know how u got ur resists high enough to take that much from an xry CS?
Originally posted by Cryotchekk
lol @ fenyx.
the only tank ive EVER seen take like 40 damage unbuffed was shadow, so no offence fenyx, i doubt you can get that small amount of cs damage. plus please will you tell me how it is a newb settup? i know about the fire part but aparently having overall energy resist over 200 is pretty point less, so i want to see having 114 + what ever u get from armour not pointless?
LOL @ cockchekk
I NEVER said I take 40 o_O I take somewhere between 50-60 with my tank
Originally posted by \\Fényx//
I like my CON/Armour setup :) It's pretty sweet now compared to some people, ive seen high level tanks take like 150 from a CS burst, Hell I used to take that, but after all this damn lomming I take arounr 50/60 a burst full on from either xray or xheat, even less in a fight because you never take 4 bang on hits.
but...
Originally posted by SigmaDraconis
I used to take 40 or so from both xray and xheat CS....i pop in my resistor and get to CON 105 and i take about 80...its freaky shit :( well i dotn have my tank now but you get what im sayin..
so...
Originally posted by \\Fényx//
STFU
i take it that the next thread will be about how to play each class in combat. ie tatic's used by players.
then a whole month of boring battles will follow.
Originally posted by QuantumDelta
Gokou's Implants:
Marine, MOVEON, PP Resistor, AMC3, FH2, Usual bones.
Armor setup is mixed between Inqui and Duranium.
ATL106
HLT 113
END 55
FIR 65
ENR 65
XRR 105
POR 45
All values after imps.
2 Free Points - CON Level 91.
That's pretty much what I'm aiming at... (before I saw this)... still figuring out imps though.
And about the armor... atm I only use inq boots.. coz that's the only piece of armor which made
x-heat plasma dmg go down. Didn't test other weapons yet though.
Ok ok here's my PE's setup. I have been doing a lot of warbot hunting lately hence the hack skill and enough vehicle to drive the bike. Resists are tuned around energy-based attacks. I could flip flop the xray and energy resist though it might not hurt for PvP.
<img src="http://home.comcast.net/~schroet/untitled.jpg" border="0" alt=""><br />
About the mindcontrol 3 chip: I just need a dex 5 chip in my setup, sometimes I use a moto3 but usually it's just the mindcontrol. It took a lot of tweaking to settle on the exp reflex 3 backbone. I have to have a rifle boost 1 on me at all times pretty much in order to stealth or use my Reeza's Gaze.
PS anyone that cannot get the skill manager to work (in XP) due to a runtime issue, http://www.coachsoffice.com/download/COMDLG32.OCX is the file you need. If you find it needs to be registered follow directions here for runtime error 372: http://www.coachsoffice.com/support.asp?l1=19&l2=0#Run-time%20372
QuantumDelta
05-09-03, 16:42
How exactly do you get the manager? :P
Dim - It's a good setup, if you get your XRR up to 114, all you ask for in op wars is Heat3, and you're flying.
bottom link on this page:
http://www.neocronnetwork.de/files/tools/
I have heard some folks say that it wouldn't extract correctly, I have it repackaged externally also:
http://home.comcast.net/~schroet/skillmanager_update3.zip
Im not one to call people LIARS but there are a hell of alot of them bullshitting on this forum. (tanks)
it is impossible even with max resist in all stats to take under 60 dmg from a CS hell i dont think it is possible to go under 70.
maybe your only getting hit 3 outta 4, maybe your just bullshitting to give yourself a bigger ego.
I know a well setup PE with very good buffs can take low CS damage, lower than any non PPu char, but as for someone saying 40 DMG from a CS 2 outta 4 hit OR you had some buffs on OR the tank was a noob with 120HC.
If you can prove this to me i will give you every penny i have on saturn.
I can only speak from personal experience and the best tanks i have seen on saturn and damage they take, the best 3 i know take the exact same damage as each other becuase i beleive there is a minimum amount a weapon can do to a unbuffed tank.
Andy
xx/68 Tech Pistol PE on Saturn:
(it ain't your mom's gravy but it's getting better all the time)
SF
Moveon (swap with Motoric 3 depending on how high I want to push DEX)
EBal 3
Target 3
Peye 3
EReflex 4
Bat Queen Chest, Arm
Exp Foot, Head, Leg
(after imps and PE boosts)
PC 140ish
WEP 130ish
TECH 84
HCK 55ish
RCYL 42
PSU (something less than 70 I can't remember atm)
PPU 67
MS 43
PP 43
END 38
AGL 70ish
ATHL 75ish
TRNP 90ish
FRCE 100ish
These still change a bunch (base values):
HLTH 75
RF 20
RE 40
RX 50
RP 20
Armor Core: VKA and Medium Belts - everything else gets adjusted depending on what I'm hunting and I'm still tweaking it for PvP.
I don't drug at all atm but I'm not into heavy PvP so ...
I cap my TEP, get about 140ish dmg and 270ish rof on my mediocre 1 slot Lib and I'm still working on getting a decent >3 slot Blacksun, Judge, Napalm, Lib before I spec my DEX
QuantumDelta
05-09-03, 17:00
Stig is correct.
I've said it before.
Actually the main problem is not people lying, it's bad quality tests.
Either people who aren't completely up with things, or people who don't know what they're doing, test damage with CS, and get one or two AoE Blast hits, the only person that can SEE AoE Blast hits, is, not the person who got hit (they always see full contact of all burst), not the people watching the person who got hit (They don't have an accurate vantage point), but, the person that fires.
And, it's up to the person that fires to judge.
I have met, all of four people who can judge CS AoE or Direct damage correctly, it's a very misleading thing.
Also, four, direct head hits with CS should amount to (very roughly speaking) 70-90 damage on a CS, I would suspect it would be impossible to reduce the damage more than 70ish, without shelter.
I'm actually skeptical of it even getting below 75/80.
xx/68 Tech Pistol PE on Saturn:
(it ain't your mom's gravy but it's getting better all the time)
SF
Moveon (swap with Motoric 3 depending on how high I want to push DEX)
EBal 3
Target 3
Peye 3
EReflex 4
Distance Weapons CPU 3 > Target 3, Especially for Pistolers.
(after imps and PE boosts)
PC 140ish
WEP 130ish
TECH 84
HCK 55ish
RCYL 42
PSU (something less than 70 I can't remember atm)
PPU 67
MS 43
PP 43
Need more PC, what's your AGL?
Get Distance 3.
END 38
AGL 70ish
ATHL 75ish
TRNP 90ish
FRCE 100ish
AGL Answered...
Not bad, sounds about right.
These still change a bunch (base values):
HLTH 75
RF 20
RE 40
RX 50
RP 20
Please use standardised resist names :P XRR/FIR/ENR/POR heh.
Sounds okay............ if you would use PP Resistor, you could find yourself a bit better off.
Armor Core: VKA and Medium Belts - everything else gets adjusted depending on what I'm hunting and I'm still tweaking it for PvP.
There is a standardised armor setup that you can use for everything, keep looking, it's not that hard to find. :)
(My PvP Armor is my hunting armor, anyone attacks me, they get my full non-drugged defence and combat abilities...)
I don't drug at all atm but I'm not into heavy PvP so ...
I cap my TEP, get about 140ish dmg and 270ish rof on my mediocre 1 slot Lib and I'm still working on getting a decent >3 slot Blacksun, Judge, Napalm, Lib before I spec my DEX
err..
140ish damage on what? % Damage? o_O
don't really understand this paragraph...sorry..
PC 140ish
WEP 130ish
TECH 84
is it not a waste to have so much wep lore if your a pistol user ?
From what i have read wep lore around 60-80 is saficient for pistols ?
Andy
edit/ to add yes QD i very much agree
Also, four, direct head hits with CS should amount to (very roughly speaking) 70-90 damage on a CS, I would suspect it would be impossible to reduce the damage more than 70ish, without shelter.
I'm actually skeptical of it even getting below 75/80.
the 75/80 is the lowest i have seen or taken from any tank.
OK.........new question how much so you take from Hl...........currently i am taking 111 tot he head , 49 tot he torso and 100 to the legs (i hate HL)
/edit @ Qd below, i know its random, thats the most i took over like 50 hits lol (but given its random perhps more at times)
QuantumDelta
05-09-03, 17:07
HL Damage is random, can't be used for testing.
Pre-Patch though, I took about 90 damage (with full defence) from a capped (capped as in, PSI 3/6xx(max?)% damage) APU HL.
Well I'm tweaking my armour/resist setup atm so I won't post that as its not right yet. However this is my imp setup and I will post my DEX setup in a screenie in a few minuites.
Exp Ballisticweaponchip 3
Protopharm Resist CPU
Exp Reflex booster 4
Distance 3
SF
Rifleye 3
Filter Heart 1, will be 2 eventually
Bone imps are just exp foot/leg and adv all the rest.
___T-X____
05-09-03, 17:20
I'd only listen to people that regularly duel as tanks fight against different tanks. Hopefully you'll get the best picture of the very wide spectrum of situations your tank will be in.
Listen to Stig
listen to AliG
listen to Barar
And i can talk with a bit of authority because ive played T-X for 7 months.
dont bother fucking around with SF'd and reflex boosters. Its fun but impractical if your a brawler mate (no slate at Gokou - he's specialised, even my tank has used a Libby and Judge)
Tell you who i learn alot of R.I.P. We would go in NF for hours, and he would kick the shit out of me every round. He helped me alot and has patience (but hates losing, lol - not that he ever really did)
Another good person is Tanus in The Syndicate. His resists are sickening on his tank.
:)
fuck all this talk about tanks, gonna log T-X on, get teh 4 slot Flashlight modded Ultimated CS and rip through CRP, lol
Bone imps are just exp foot/leg and adv all the rest.
any reason why you dont use BQ bones ?
Andy
QuantumDelta
05-09-03, 17:27
Originally posted by ___T-X____
(no slate at Gokou - he's specialised, even my tank has used a Libby and Judge)
Tell you who i learn alot of R.I.P. We would go in NF for hours, and he would kick the shit out of me every round. He helped me alot and has patience (but hates losing, lol - not that he ever really did)
Another good person is Tanus in The Syndicate. His resists are sickening.
:)
Gokou is HC mate heh.. I posted QDs and Gokou's set at the same time, tried to sparce it a bit with paragraphs, guess I fucked up.
R.I.P is good, he hates losing because he sees it as weakness in himself, same as I do, I imagine....
Matt's had his tanka long long time, I'd hope his resists were good by now...hehehe, I still remember my first duel with him...
@QD:
sorry for the confusion. 140%dmg, 270 rof on a 1 slot Lib. Stats are all between 100-115. Can't remember what the aiming % atm.
Yea I just realized the Dist is better (last week) - can't believe I missed it. Still working on getting one. Thanks for the feedback btw.
@stigmata:
I'm not sure about WEP either. Part of my problem atm is my lack of decent >=3 slot pistols. Being tech is nice since I'm open for more choices but until I can get some better pistols I won't back my WEP down since I'm trying to compensate for crappy weapon stats ...
Also thanks DJ for the updated skill manager link. Makes tweaking setups mucho easier. :)
/edit: removed a minor incorrect relationship between PC and WEP
my pe's current setup (i'm trying different things atm, pretty senseless stuff too, like hc...)
balance adv 3, dist 3, exp bal 3, sf
rc eye 3
exp reflex 4
str heart 2 (poison rapes me :) )
usual bones (waiting for those xray ones... yeah )
all numbers with imps and without buffs/drugs
50 psu
151 wpl
84 hc (hobbies :D )
50 tra
76 res force
165 rc
78 tc
92 agility (too lazy to lom some out + 2 or 3 rc more don't make any difference atm, rog's still capped and those 3/min extra ... who cares)
65 atl
76 +10 hlt
37 fire
40 energy
70 xray
0 poison
armor is a energy/fire/xray mix, with more energy than fire and tiny amounts of xray
(and no, those tiny 54 str don't hurt my armor much actually)
im currently using hazard 1
i know, bad combination especially with str heart 2 in,
but i'll be switching back to basic 3 after those xray bones are out
i'm currently taking 50-75 dam from a xheated/xray cs (nm what flavour)
without any drugs besides desostrol forte
PS.:
cs sucks sooo much for testing damage properly, takes hours to get any decent, reliable numbers
next day you test it again with another person using a capped cs too,
and you'll end up with totally different ones o_O
QuantumDelta
05-09-03, 17:35
Not bad for RoG PE det...
Kugero, try to find a CSTer you trust, especially if you're on a four char server and they have a resser too, and then get them to batch build until you have as many slots as you need.
Aim for 169 PC, minimum, buffed.
4 Slot Blacksun works well at that level.
The reason I don't use BQ imps is threefold....
1) They are expensive :p
2) I don't need the arm, as its just melee
3) I will be using the BQ chest once I have capped cons and have worked out my resist setup
Dammit, wazzap is down so I can't up load my piccy of my stats, I'll just tell you them now. This is with imps btw:
DEX:
Rifle: 156
Tech Combat: 80
Vehicle: 25
Agility: 86
INT:
Weapon Lore: 159
Thats all the ones that I have points in. All my int points are in Weapon Lore and with a Rifle Boost one I cap PE damage and aiming.
StoneRayne
05-09-03, 17:40
PP/Marine/MoveOn/AMC3/FH2
110 xr
95-100 eng
80ish fir
105 atl
112 agil
Rest body
Dur4 helm
Dur4 Vest/Pa1
Med Engfield belt
Inq4
Spirit Boots/Inq4
---
Attack1/2/3Psi Core/no PA
psi: 84 mst / 55 PPW / Rest APU (179?)
con:
73 FOR
58 xr
6 eng
10 fire
75 body
50 atl
95ish agil
Spirit Helm
Spirit Vest/Holy Spirit Vest
Holy spirit / Heavy fire belt
Holy spirit boots/pants
---
Defense2/3/DS/PsiCore/No PA
psi: 88 MST / 79 PPW / Rest PPU (172-174)
con:
73 FOR
10 eng
20 fire
52-53 XR
75 Body
50 Atl
80ish Agil
Holy spirit Armor / Heavy Fire Belt
---
Btw, unless I'm mistaken, there's no real reason to have 180 PPU, you get no bonuses from it at all :)
QuantumDelta
05-09-03, 17:43
Judge, you're a PE.
You should be soloing BQ Cave.
Dribble Joy
05-09-03, 18:09
Qd, in the interests of humour can you please make some kind of big headed remark, i can't wait for you to do it naturally ;) I have just made summat that may amuse some people. :)
Ok heres my Pistol PE setup:
SF, Dist3, Moveon, PP, the others are the usual ones...
For my stats:
i got way too much WPL, gotta lom a lot of int the next days....
Health is at 475
Agl/ Atl around 75/70
Fir and Enr are around 60 to 65 i think
XRR somewhere between 90 and 100
Poison kills me if i`m not expecting it o_O
My Armor totally depends on what im doing, i wont say :)
P-C is 168, T-C just enough to use a Blacksun
i was too lazy to log in, so i dont know the exact values. also all values are with my own buffs and maybe 1 or 2 drugs involved :p
QuantumDelta
05-09-03, 20:23
Originally posted by SorkZmok
Ok heres my Pistol PE setup:
SF, Dist3, Moveon, PP, the others are the usual ones...
Dist3, or EXP Bal 3?
ATM you're low on the INT For Med ENR Belts and the DEX For Liberator :p
Originally posted by QuantumDelta
Dist3, or EXP Bal 3?
ATM you're low on the INT For Med ENR Belts and the DEX For Liberator :p
Thats why i said there may be 1 or 2 drugs involved ;)
Actually i dont know why i dont just swap those 2 and get rid of drugs.
Maybe its just my RL affecting my IG behaviour o_O
QuantumDelta
05-09-03, 20:30
:P
The only thing you lose is 3 STR, then just use a EXP Reflex4 backbone and you don't lose anything important...
just made a PE and i'm first and foremost cant decide which to use: Dist 2 or Ball 3... i dont like the str minus on the ball but the int and dex will help... the dist gives tc as well and i may go tech depending on the PA... but then again if i can get an SA...
also:
reflex 4 or exp reflex 4?
wut i see:
reflex 4
---------
pro: extra ath means i trim off points from ath in con to other stuff
con: neg 3 int bah...
exp reflex 4
---------------
pro: erm... end but thats not too important (a la stam boosters); only neg 2 int
con: gives nothing taht i can trim off in con.
help plz
(o yeah i use bal adv 3 so thats already -3 str...)
QuantumDelta
05-09-03, 22:43
Silly dares, heh...
EXP Bal3, SF, Spare slot, Spare slot.
EXP Reflex 4.
That's totally enclosed, Liberator or Pain Easer PE Configuration with all the basic required armor and belt protection.
EXP Bal3 + SF + EXP Reflex 4 = Medium Energy Belt and all level 2 armor.
With two headslots free, there's really no better configuration for the Private Eye.
disclaimer: of course this is discluding people with SAs
i'm curious tho: with the 2 extra slots wut can i put in? i know a popular set is MOVEON and PP... but then wut about your PC? can you still get 340+/min on libby? and your agil? and wut about going TC as well? (so confused :( )
Mr Friendly
05-09-03, 23:03
im a monk & yeah the resist setup took forever for me to find the best one........soooo......im not gonna tell what i have in & all........ill just tell what i have when buffed & implanted::.
Athletics............50
health................85
endurance..........0
resist fire...........90
resist energy......25
resist xray..........97
resist poison.......0
how i use this etup & what i use with it is my own business :D
Originally posted by mdares
i'm curious tho: with the 2 extra slots wut can i put in? i know a popular set is MOVEON and PP... but then wut about your PC? can you still get 340+/min on libby? and your agil? and wut about going TC as well? (so confused :( )
I would put in Dist 3 and PP resist CPU.
Gives you extra rifle/pistol extra tech, which you can then shave off and put into agility or vehicle or something :D
Also the PP resist CPU pwns
Originally posted by mdares
i'm curious tho: with the 2 extra slots wut can i put in? i know a popular set is MOVEON and PP... but then wut about your PC? can you still get 340+/min on libby? and your agil? and wut about going TC as well? (so confused :( )
You still can get a decent Dmg/RoF with that setup. Also good speed.
But the more posts i see, the more i wonder...doesnt any PE use the MoveOn? I feel alone! Although i somehow think i might swap it with another chip but then again...Which one?? I dont need another one. And i love those +18 hlt :D
/edit
Originally posted by Judge
Also the PP resist CPU pwns
Fuck, yeah! I love that thing! When i finally got it, and a mate shot me with a cs he was like "wtf 50 dmg! evil you!" lol.
Atm i take 40 to 65 from a CS. But i have to admit i never ever really tested that for some exact numbers. i`m just fine the way it is...o_O
i know several PEs on saturn that uses MOVEON...
but the thing is i tested before with another capped PE that i "borrowed" and with Dist3, Bal Adv 3, SA, SF, i can get up to roughly 357/min on libby... if i go tech i get 329/min on libby...
and those imps give me 18 PC total... were as if i use Ballistic3, SF, SA, and something else i only get 15 RC and something else...
Originally posted by mdares
were as if i use Ballistic3, SF, SA, and something else i only get 15 RC and something else...
Yeah, cause we all got our SAs. I never ever even SAW a part of one of those damn chips....and i dont care. Actually i dont even need one for my PE. Well my spy might like one but arrrr i hate those mc5 chips.
SigmaDraconis
06-09-03, 00:09
I think rade is the only person who uses anything clsoe to my setup...cant remember if hes lowtech or not tho.
well the SA could be swaped for a dist 2 as they give thesame thing except no Dex/Int bonus... i';m using SA (if i can get it) for hte int bonus only =p
Originally posted by mdares
well the SA could be swaped for a dist 2 as they give thesame thing except no Dex/Int bonus... i';m using SA (if i can get it) for hte int bonus only =p
Well, with my Setup (SF, Dist3, Moveon, PP) i could swap the Dist3 with a SA. But hey....i would loose t-c...and p-c.
On the other hand...i dont need to use whiteflash and desortrol forte (int/psi, if i`m right). But hey...i need Whiteflash for speed and Desostrol Forte for my buffs anyway. :D
The only cool thing about having one would be my /70 rank o_O
Originally posted by QuantumDelta
QD Implant setup:
EXP Bal3, SF, PP Resistor, Dist3 (Interchangable for moveon), EXP Reflex 4, usual bones, Pistol Eye3.
Why don't you got for a setup with more str? Does the loss in agility etc not weight up the gain in better armor?
QuantumDelta
06-09-03, 03:09
I have 170 PC
84 TC
And 74(I think?) AGL
With buffs. :p
75 ATL too, I run pretty fast as it is.... without compromising, RoF, Armor, or Resists =)
Shadow Dancer
06-09-03, 03:21
255 apu
255 ppw
120 poison resist
0 fire energy and x-ray
my apu>all
QuantumDelta
06-09-03, 03:25
HAX0R!!!!
Marine Moveon Proto AMC 3
Filter 2
bat parts
exp parts
All in weapon lore
92 cons -
94 athletics
121 body
0 enndur
59 fire
78 energy
114 xray
15 poison
Armours a mix and match dur 4 and inq 4 - prob put remaining points in fire but u know as if im gonna cap cons :)
Make of it what u will
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/ryuben/PE-_setup.jpg
use of 1 drug i think ( belt gets swaped about to posion or fire belt)
yeah i got a rifle PE kicking about this is his set up i think (will swap to filtehr 2 if i ever get my mits on one :D
used,
RoG + PE
commando and DoY rifle, also stealths. :D im happy with him fun to play and i can solo the Chaos caves, he also hacks OP's and belts (100 self buffed haking)
ooo its wrong theres one point off of R-C and it puts 1 point on T-C rest on AGL lol -_- doh forgot the rifle buff is +4 tc lol :p
Shadow Dancer
06-09-03, 04:37
Damn, talk about multi-tasking.
My PE and Tank setups are already posted on =SSC='s website, and I'm far too lazy to copy>paste them here.
But if someone else does it I don't care...
QuantumDelta
06-09-03, 04:55
Heh, Arc, you should see a screenie I made a while ago...
I probably still have it somewhere, it's of all the MSN Windows I had open from the last twenty minutes of talking...there's about 20 flashing blue boxes :p
Btw, I'll think about postin yer setup later mofo :P
lol thats at 3 am :D u want a SS of when im logged onto trillian + mirc + on neocron lol
if u find me stood about in plaza or slowly hunting war bots its due to me alt+tabbing out alot ^^;
only thing i find is the server "misses" the time i was alt+tabed out for so say my basic resist boost wears off, if i was alt+tabed out for say 20 seconds it will be 20 seconds before i can "cast" it again yet i can cast it on my self but i can't see its there/and or use my gun due to it
well, waaazap changed his file size to 100k =(. So I split it all up :p
http://www.waaazup.com/p/uploads/2/blehCON.jpg
http://www.waaazup.com/p/uploads/2/blehDEX.jpg
http://www.waaazup.com/p/uploads/2/blehINT.jpg
http://www.waaazup.com/p/uploads/2/blehOTHER.jpg
http://www.waaazup.com/p/uploads/2/blehPSI.jpg
http://www.waaazup.com/p/uploads/2/blehSTR.jpg
I love ems.ru , and this is based on that information. I have 313 Health when i boost myself with basic2. I take 88+ from CS..... takes me to 50% in one hit (on my screen) this seems high =(.
Im at a loss. I can use haz and heat, but i rarely do.
Although, i gotta say, as a Riffler with 90/90...:D Things get interesting... too bad i dont have aim to match :mad:
I swear, if the kamikazi chips were in game now, id go get one, put it in and give up on resists.
Why does none of you use the SA? I havn't seen it in any of the setups here (or did I just not look close enough? ;)).
Kitana
Originally posted by Kitana
Why does none of you use the SA? I havn't seen it in any of the setups here (or did I just not look close enough? ;)).
Kitana
When i finally was good enough to go there and just had some ppl to team up with and camp the area for some days, they removed the damn windows. o_O
Originally posted by Kitana
Why does none of you use the SA? I havn't seen it in any of the setups here (or did I just not look close enough? ;)).
Kitana
Ive got a SA in my PE's setup :) look closer :p
Originally posted by Parker
Well just got a SA - and still not sure what imp set up to use with it.
Any advice much appreciated for a PE using PE
John
Depends what weapon your using. spine and SF are enough to get a SA implanted with capped DEX. So go for Distance 3 and PP resistor :)
[Edit]
uh WTF !? ! ?!!? !
how the FUCK have I managed to Quote Parker 4 minutes before he apparently posted o_O Maybe that would explain why for the last 15 minutes the forum's been rejecting my posts cause of the 60 second spam rule, ODIN ! YOUR SERVER TIME's FUCKED UP !
Well just got a SA - and still not sure what imp set up to use with it.
Any advice much appreciated for a PE using PE
John
Yeah something is wrong - sorry for the repeat post
John
Originally posted by Kitana
Why does none of you use the SA? I havn't seen it in any of the setups here (or did I just not look close enough? ;)).
If you give me one I'll use it.
Give me two and I'll put them in both of my PEs :)
you dont need a Herc to win T-X i can beat most herc users appart from xer0 and vet the vindicator on pluto, im gonna have to level my tank on uranus now :p
i use
PP, Adv Mov controler 3, Moveon, marine, filter heart 2, harden back bone 3, psi gauntlet :D , bat queen arm and chest, xp head leg and foot.
4 slot xray cs , becuase x-heated is to easy to spec against.
100 str all in h-c appart from the left over points which are in resist force
Dex- appart from 89 t-c, i have all the rest speced into agility
95 con (would prolly be capped if i didnt lom so much)
(i might as well post my resists here later, but im gonna go do some stuff first, but bear in mind IF i do post the set up my energy resist isnt finished, but with pa3 and 98-100 con i will have maximum absorbtion rate from both energy and xray (capable for a tank)
i take consistantly less than 75, if you feel the need to shoot me with a cs (xray or x heated) i will be happy to oblige, if you dont ask ill shoot j00 in the face :p
Monk setup, hes ppu so I've put it WITH buffs.
220 psi use (with detrosol forte)
17 transport
65 force resist
43 ath
127 bodyhealth
60 fire
30 energy
50 xray
15 poison
132 agility
183 ppu
88 mst
92 ppw
con setup used to be based around heavy poison belt because it helped alot for my own barrels :p However, now i can use cath sanctum and antidote there really is no point for poison belt. It gives me about 450 health which helps acheive the main purpose of this character: Staying alive whilst keeping others standing with you :)
Mr Friendly
06-09-03, 13:35
Originally posted by Ryuben
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/ryuben/PE-_setup.jpg
use of 1 drug i think ( belt gets swaped about to posion or fire belt)
yeah i got a rifle PE kicking about this is his set up i think (will swap to filtehr 2 if i ever get my mits on one :D
used,
RoG + PE
commando and DoY rifle, also stealths. :D im happy with him fun to play and i can solo the Chaos caves, he also hacks OP's and belts (100 self buffed haking)
ooo its wrong theres one point off of R-C and it puts 1 point on T-C rest on AGL lol -_- doh forgot the rifle buff is +4 tc lol :p
dude! u gotta post a link to download that skillmanager! :D :D
skill mamager = bottom one
http://www.neocronnetwork.de/files/tools/
Do not flame other players.
--Garm
Mr Friendly
07-09-03, 04:35
SWEET! thnx for the new skillmanager !
and no stigmata, he does take less than 75, somtimes it goes to about 80, but thats against a certain type of cs & ive never seen anything above 80 done to him
sad very sad, its just a game stigmata, but if you are really that obsessed can someone come take a screenie of me getting shot so i can lay your "REMUS is a FUCKING BULLSHITTER AND I HATE HIM" to rest? if someone can email me ingame or pm here, if you can im on pluto server and on gmt time if can take a screenie tomorrow, plz get in touch so we can expand stigs horizons LOL!
EDIT: oh ya u gotta have a capped xray or xheated cs too :P
lol u know what i love is no one useing NOVA CS ....think about it then reply to me
Originally posted by Tycho C
...I swear, if the kamikazi chips were in game now, id go get one, put it in and give up on resists.
your energy resist seems to be too low
replace your medium inquisition boots with holy shelter boots and test again
maybe that's gonna help
(pretty high atl and very low hlt ... maybe you should change that too ...)
Originally posted by Ryuben
lol u know what i love is no one useing NOVA CS ....think about it then reply to me
Possibly something to do with the fact that every tank and PE is invulnerable to force damage.
EDIT: And btw, I too take consistently less than 75 damage - but only because CS almost never connects with 4 shots.
Ive thought about that, but what about fire? Thats 20 less fire...
I suppose my problem may be in haveing a well rounded setup rather than pwning in one. I may have reached the defensive capabilities of the rounded setup.
Further testing with me casting Haz 1 on myself got the CS damage to 70's. Maybe the answer lies in X ray, for that bit extra =/. But like I said, maybe the equal resistance to fire and energy are as far as I can take it before begining to specialize:(
And the high Ath.... 90/90 is so much fun! As a riffler, I find the nice damage to go nicely with my definately being harder to hit. Iv done this to help make up for the shortcomings of my Resist setup.
Originally posted by Scikar
Possibly something to do with the fact that every tank and PE is invulnerable to force damage.
EDIT: And btw, I too take consistently less than 75 damage - but only because CS almost never connects with 4 shots.
lol ......how many tanks do u know with _any_ resist force.....? 90% have it speced into H-C, i used to have a nova CS and ...well it owned jsut try it u may be suprised, as the only class that is speced agaisnt it is the PE ;)
QuantumDelta
07-09-03, 12:58
Originally posted by Scikar
EDIT: And btw, I too take consistently less than 75 damage - but only because CS almost never connects with 4 shots.
Correct, people who take less are;
Not being hit by all
'Sploitin
Bugged
Abusing some unforseen bug.
Or people who have shelter/deflector on :p
This is like my longest thread evar,
i ask he flaming to be kept out of it guys,
and as far as i can see there are no 'cookie cutters' out there, i see similar setups, but no two are alike (wich to be honest was my main reason for starting this thread).
Good work guys, lots of good info here, hope someon can take away something from it, keep up the good ork. Ork? did i say ork? i meant work.
OAth
@ QD you forgot two,
People using an unviable PvP setup (like no athletics and use All energy and all xry), or peole on test server "OMG OMG OMGoooddddddd KOS KOS CS TICKLERS MEEEE!!!!!! I ARE THE GODZOR!!!"
Ahem,
Theres one thing i always find funny about these threads and thats the fact that people test their resists against a full burst of CS. Now when i used to use my PE at best i used to take 80-90 from a CS burst. The point is though in actual pvp i wouldn't actually get hit that much and might lose about 200hp to a Tank. So if people are actually any good it really doesn't matter how much or less they take from a cs burst (to an extent). What people should be more worried about is how much they don't take from a HL or Fire Apoc
Originally posted by Magnazan
Theres one thing i always find funny about these threads and thats the fact that people test their resists against a full burst of CS. Now when i used to use my PE at best i used to take 80-90 from a CS burst. The point is though in actual pvp i wouldn't actually get hit that much and might lose about 200hp to a Tank. So if people are actually any good it really doesn't matter how much or less they take from a cs burst (to an extent). What people should be more worried about is how much they don't take from a HL or Fire Apoc
Lol, i kinda agree, normally the faster person wins, and normally you dont get hit with the 4 cs shots.
Originally posted by Magnazan
Theres one thing i always find funny about these threads and thats the fact that people test their resists against a full burst of CS. Now when i used to use my PE at best i used to take 80-90 from a CS burst. The point is though in actual pvp i wouldn't actually get hit that much and might lose about 200hp to a Tank. So if people are actually any good it really doesn't matter how much or less they take from a cs burst (to an extent). What people should be more worried about is how much they don't take from a HL or Fire Apoc
yeah thats true for me too :( i can run rings around tanks, and i can stand my own vs PE's and spys but if i see a APU monk i jsut give it up as a bad job, as he/she will have some PPU up there ass, or will cast HL so fast it makes it point less/ or u run around a fucking wall and 3 more shots it you (happened so many times its just not funny)
and monks say *ohhh we can't run cast whaaa whaaa whaaa* fine run cast but u shouldn't be able to fucking run at that high speed. Your defense is ur insanly high damage so don't use the *but thats our only defense whaaa whaaa*
OK, I'm probably just being a moron here but that skillmanager download just gives me a file called skillmanager_update3 which doesn't appear to do anything. :(
I use...
synaptic accelerator
special forces cpu
protopharm resistor
distance 3
experimental reflex booster 4
strengthen heart 2
pistol-combat eye 3
experimental bones / batqueen bones
The SA can easilly be replaced with a Ballistic 3.
Originally posted by Ryuben
lol ......how many tanks do u know with _any_ resist force.....? 90% have it speced into H-C, i used to have a nova CS and ...well it owned jsut try it u may be suprised, as the only class that is speced agaisnt it is the PE ;)
I have a lot of resist force for one. And if my CS had artifact freq I'd cap RoF since I wear PA2. But that's irrelevant. Tanks are weak against piercing, but not against force. Have you not seen how much force armor BQ bones give? On top of that it's a primary resist of duranium armor along with piercing, so force is not a tank's weakness, even in those who go pure H-C. Piercing can be though.
It's not necessarily a case of speed though, it's just a matter of being able to dodge. I'm getting used to suiting up in PA again and still dodging while wearing it. The main advantage of the PA though is the massive piercing resist, I've got as good a resist against Pain Easer and Lib as I can get. I'm also very resistant to HL, especially with a heat booster. ;)
lo drik
OK, I'm probably just being a moron here but that skillmanager download just gives me a file called skillmanager_update3 which doesn't appear to do anything
download http://www.neocronnetwork.de/files/tools/skillmanager.zip
first and run the instal.bat in the commdlg32 folder 1st
this will copy and register various files that xp has missing as a general rule.
then just run the original skill proggy
hth :)
Originally posted by Ryuben
lol u know what i love is no one useing NOVA CS ....think about it then reply to me
lololololololol
ill stop there, i can tell you dont use a nova cs by that comment
Ta evs :D
So you are playing on pluto now are you? For shame :p
Peeping Tom
07-09-03, 16:38
Originally posted by Ste-X
lololololololol
ill stop there, i can tell you dont use a nova cs by that comment
my spy is using a max rad flash light modded Thunderstorm with 80% stats
K4F
p.s i tried it on biccy he laughed so hard he dident fight back :\
60% synap owns you :D :lol:
yeah been on pluto a while now - prefer it a lot more really, several major powers fighting instead of one or two makes it more interesting (from my pov)
plus single character's (with the odd alt) make for better rp and less power gaming
just my preference really - saturn got boring a lot.
What´s now the best CON-Skillz for PE.
I know XaNToR at Jupiter.He owned the Tank there.He´s able to get 15-20 lines of CS-Bullets and has half HP after that.
( Sry for the English,i only had 3 years english lesson at school).
Plz post ur comments on my question...thnx.
n1Ko
QuantumDelta
08-09-03, 19:44
LOL nice XaNToR, you show them how the Uranus elite really are :P
Phiberdelic
08-09-03, 19:55
My Uber Spy setup....LOL
BASE INT 89
BASE DEX 86
AGL/ATL w/imp 51
WEP w/imp 134
PSU natural 71
FOR w/imp 100
FIR natural 30
ENR natural 70
POR w/imp 5
RC w/imp 171
My health is 319 with a couple implants and Resist Booster 2 spell
Could go even higher if I used Melee Booster 1 instead of Rifle Booster 1, but the added RC/WEP increases my ROF on my capped Pain Easer. And I use Deflector and Shield (with the help of one Desetrol Forte) which absorbs aprox 20 from a phosphor PE round. With this setup I hunt Y's mostly since they give some hella good XP (last night gained about 2mil in DEX alone off of 2 Commanders and 2 Seargents), sometimes I'll hunt Fire Mobs at CRP but mainly just to hang around for a cave team.
Originally posted by QuantumDelta
Correct, people who take less are;
Not being hit by all
'Sploitin
Bugged
Abusing some unforseen bug.
Or people who have shelter/deflector on :p
busted lol
i was testing with snake eyes today and i take an average of 80 but i only need 2 more con to finish my energy resist then its all going into fire to finish it, ill have to see how fast i run with pa3 before i lom some ath into body health, i wont post my set up till its finished.
*continues shooting himself in the foot with moonstriker* :wtf:
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