11 Dead Base Commanders = zero parts = [Archive]

Dru Blood

31-08-03, 11:52

i agree that some rares need not be rares and have them shop bought, ie antibuff, wyatt earp, vein ripper and the paws, electric tempest, sum rifles.

kinda ruins the pool, but as for mc5 ive never killed anything there so i have no idea of drop rates, warbots are good for level 3 imps and exp bones and bat bones, while fire mobs ie grims and doomies are better for tech parts and vhc 10`s.

get rid of that damn resistor chip 3, defensiv fields etc grrr nothing more annoying then thinking oooh a lvl 3 imp...... ffs another useless one.

wtf is up with the loot from y reps??? i got glass and meat from the last few i killed with my m8, odd weapon part.. :(

Mingerroo

31-08-03, 12:36

The paws should not be store bought, a Paw of Bear for example is too devastating a weapon for anyone and everyone who needs one to be able to get it constructed.

alig

31-08-03, 13:00

He aint even on about the drop rate for normal rares....:rolleyes:

What hes getting at is the fact the hardest mob in the game doesnt drop what he is ment to drop often enough.....i killed him once without the glass and he didnt drop nothing....i quickly lead to the door and fucked off, the mc5 base commander should drop at least 1 part EVERY kill imo.:mad: It might not be hard to kill him without the glass but it takes a while to kill him and his 4 bros for nothing just seems to me, fux0red and pointless!.o_O

edit/ oh yeah, i thought games was about fun and excitement, not long ass winded bullshit like 'MC5' is.......[Don't Flame Please - Ulle]

Kasumi

31-08-03, 13:02

If the commander dropped 1 tech part everytime he dies.. everyone would have 4 to 5 or more of the same Area MC5 CPUs.. plus whatever else.. He maybe hard.. but learn to live iwth it.. MC5 CPUs arent the greatest things...

alig

31-08-03, 13:08

I never said mc5 chips are the best thing since sliced bread......

I would live with it IF they took mc5 out of the game and re implented it so NO ONE has one, we all have to get one without the glass.......yeah, that sounds fair to me, but nono this is where everyone goes 'omfg u thick fucking twat, alig k0s k0s k0s, dont post here u thick fuck!' i guess......btw theres one way to stop everyone having 4 - 5 of the same mc5 cpu's......why not make them random drops of mobs in the mc5 area......i mean come on ffs, _if_ i _really_ want a mc5 chip i know EXACTLY where to get one, the mc5 base commander.....maybe if all mobs in that area could drop mc5 parts it would prevent that from happening without a doubt

Lethys

31-08-03, 13:14

Actually some of my clanmates went in, just a PPU and APU, they got at least one part from every kill, and got 2 or even 3 parts for some kills.

QuantumDelta

31-08-03, 13:18

"Rares should be rares" DIE, it's people like that that kill PvP -_-

Judge

31-08-03, 13:27

Originally posted by OTIS
ok wait...plz tell me what we are looking for here...rare parts... keyword being RARE...nuff saido_O

Errr.....

no.

Find me where on the weapon or tech part description it says that they are "rare" (Yes it says "uniquie item" but we know now that that is just a filler for the proper description which is actually in the german version of the game).

Mingerroo

31-08-03, 13:57

Originally posted by Judge
Errr.....

no.

Find me where on the weapon or tech part description it says that they are "rare" (Yes it says "uniquie item" but we know now that that is just a filler for the proper description which is actually in the german version of the game).

http://www.xybercon.com/images/item.gif

Errr.... Buh... OOhhh... Err...

YES!

If you are gonna make a "I know what Im talking about arrogant statement".... make sure you know what you are talking about :rolleyes:

Crazios

31-08-03, 14:02

Stop complaining ffs.

Rares should stay rare, and not drop every time u kill a mob.

Its fine how its now if u realy want that mc5 chip expect to hunt the base commander for a long long time. Thats why its called RARE!!!

If u have luck u get a few parts every 10 runs if u are unlucky u get zero Period.
If u dont like it dont hunt for rares!

Its almost like some of your dumbasses dont understand the word RARE.....

QuantumDelta

31-08-03, 14:02

However, while that does say, rare part.

Since Neocron PvP has become mostly dependant on Rares of one description or another (SF/Marine/PSI Core/Lib/CS/HL/HP/etc), "Rares should be rare!" is a foolish, ultima online fanboi comment that has been made throughout neocrons timeline and is, more often than not, wrong, because of the now, dependancy on rare items to just put up an equal fight.

Yes, there are exceptions, however, most of the time these exceptions are top of the skill range players.
......Or idiots that don't know what they're doing...heh

Example:
The oppinion stated above ;)

Mingerroo

31-08-03, 14:10

In my opinion rare parts should drop more, but rare weapons shouldn't be so damn powerful, all rare weapons should be brought down to a sane level.

In my opinion ther e should be endless mods for all sorts of weapons, and it is the setup of your weapon that really decides its power (within reason). This would result in a customised rare being either fairly powerful against all classes, or specificly designedto be (in example) a tank killer) using certain damage types that it is known hurt tanks.

This theory would include the ability to merge ammos, so a recycler could make me phosphor uranium raygun ammo by recycling the two together for my phosphor uranium raygun (modded using a phosphor uranium mod created by a constructor modding a phosphor mod with a uranium mod).

This would result in a greater customisation of character fighting style, and the modding of mods (by just combining them) would have advantages and disadvantages for these advanced mods.

Hmmm. :) I like that idea as it means the player can really get into the depths of their weapon (I'm a big fan of the idea of tweaking and fine tuning a weapon).

Oh, and the weapon shouldn't have to be re-constructed just for it to be tweaked (i.e. mods can be removed but this some quality loss to the weapon).:D

Crazios

31-08-03, 14:13

Just because i have newbie behind my name doesnt mean i am a newbie in the world of neocron or mmorpgs.
I have been playing from Beta 4. and had a break when it did go gold and back now for almost 4 months again.

But anyway People will always complain now its about Drop rate sucks, then its about Ooh mc5 is to hard u removed the walls etc etc..

If they changed the droprate it would change the game completely, everyone would have a mc5 chip in no time if the commander droped 1 tech every time he dies.

IMHO if people dont understand the word rare or dont like to rare hunt then go play another game or play without rares.
And if u realy want it then u have to do as much as everyone else did to get the implant.

(for the people that complain)
Now what are u doing here? go log on and hunt the base commander until U drop dead after hunting him 24/7 :)

Clownst0pper

31-08-03, 14:21

Mingeroo, On your picture, what the fuck is the item on ur number 0 on ur quickbar!?

Never seen that before!!!

QuantumDelta

31-08-03, 14:25

Originally posted by Crazios
Just because i have newbie behind my name doesnt mean i am a newbie in the world of neocron or mmorpgs.
There's a slight problem with that.
Ain't it great? Neocron, isn't other MMORPGs, Rares in other MMORPGs give niceness but don't completely overpower.

I have been playing from Beta 4. and had a break when it did go gold and back now for almost 4 months again.

Rares, and their like, as well as specialisation in weaponry did not exist in beta4, this is another reason why your oppinion looks/comes across/is invalid.

But anyway People will always complain now its about Drop rate sucks, then its about Ooh mc5 is to hard u removed the walls etc etc..
Whether MC5 is impossible or not, I do not truly know, since I haven't been back there since the change.
Generally, I don't have MC5 Parts/Chips, and I haven't been farming for them, simply put:
My setup doesn't need MC5 CPUs.
However, if you did the same for the Liberator, or the Special Forces CPU, most of the best PEs, would be uphucked.
This is the dependance of which I speak, infact, it's only in the weaker weaponsets (Pistols primarily) that non-rares, compete with rares in a viable way.
Since half the server population has stocks of rares in apts, the only person this hurts more than anyone else, is the newbie.

If they changed the droprate it would change the game completely, everyone would have a mc5 chip in no time if the commander droped 1 tech every time he dies.
Lies, again, this is your oppinion, and this is something you're saying because you probably haven't been there to farm MC5 CPUs out yourself.
Or maybe, you have done it religiously like a few other people...
There are those who are not dependant on MC5 CPUs.
Like myself, my argument, however, is not about MC5 CPUs.

IMHO if people dont understand the word rare
However, you are the one, whom obviously does not understand the concept of "rares" in neocron.

or dont like to rare hunt then go play another game or play without rares.
I mainly hunt now, with my TEP.
After calculations I ran a while back about the gain of Tech Parts vs Weapon Degredation (Liberator), My best gun would break before I could amass the parts to make a new one, if I did nothing except PvM.
o_O
But, I suppose item degredation wasn't in your game either, was it?

And if u realy want it then u have to do as much as everyone else did to get the implant.
Again, I'm not, personally talking about MC5 CPUs.
You, were the one who made the blanket "Rares should be rare" statement.

(for the people that complain)
I would rather called this reasoned thought.

Now what are u doing here?
Being one of the best PEs in the game, how about you kiddo? :p

go log on and hunt the base commander until U drop dead after hunting him 24/7 :) [/B]
.......................And this quote might prove someone's point....... o_O

Mingerroo

31-08-03, 14:35

Originally posted by Clownst0pper
Mingeroo, On your picture, what the fuck is the item on ur number 0 on ur quickbar!?

Never seen that before!!!

LOL. I modified my stealth tool icon to separate it from the hacktool. hehe. I have a different colour one for every tool and it writes ST1, ST2, or ST3 in the inv version of the tool.

Its based on a modification by MightyMax, check the Neocron Modification Forum for it if you like it :)

Judge

31-08-03, 14:38

Sorry... I had just woken up and I'm pissed off about having to go back to school on tuesday. :(

Anyway I pretty much agree with everything that QD said there. Also to add, I started playing neocron because it was different. The way that I see it is that it has been going more along the lines of most MMORPGs recently. Go camp out some mob get the parts then you are uber and can take part in PvP. I want it to go back to early retail, with hardly any specialisation.

Lethal Virus

31-08-03, 14:43

I don't have a problem with the drop rate. Parts are ment to be rare, and they are becoming more rare, which is good. o_O

As I posted in one of my threads, about the parts that are dropping via rare tech parts that can be bought ingame, take the Exp Reflex Booster 4 / Reflex Booster 4 for example.

Mingerroo

31-08-03, 14:47

Originally posted by Judge
Sorry... I had just woken up and I'm pissed off about having to go back to school on tuesday. :( LOL :lol: yeh me too, whats worse is i gotta do all my HW today cos i kept putting it off.

But yeah, this game needs alot more variation in weapons and modifications of weapons.

One word to describe stuff in Neocron.... "samey". :rolleyes:

QuantumDelta

31-08-03, 14:55

Reflex 4, cannot be bought.
EXP Reflex 4, no longer drops.

Judge

31-08-03, 14:59

Originally posted by Mingerroo
LOL :lol: yeh me too, whats worse is i gotta do all my HW today cos i kept putting it off.

I have got 8 hours of FUCKING ART HOMEWORK to do before tuesday. :mad:

I'm so going to get revenge on my art teacher for this. *evil grin*

Pssst QD, wrong thread :p

rubaduckythug

31-08-03, 15:05

Well ive never actually killed the MC5 base commander, but ive tryed and and it was hard as hell that was with a ok apu monk with me and the glass was there, i can understand how ppl would be pissed if they went through all the hard work and dint get any thing, especially if they have killed him several times and not a single drop. But i hohnestly dont know the drop rate cuase iv never actually killed the base commander, but i have been getting shit for rare drops latley killing wb's, i mean i must have killed about 60 or so with in hte past 3 days and only ended up with i'd say about 5 or 6 parts :( i htink jsut latley the wb drops have gone down a lot or so it really seems. well rares should be rares but i dotn think the item description should change to unabtainible :)

Dribble Joy

31-08-03, 15:08

Sigh.

Drop rate is fine as it is, you should have to work to get rares, they should be 'availible', easy to get (ish) but not to the point where any silly sod can go get one. Also it is a bit boring if the game is flooded with the things.

It's all good at the moment in my worthless opinion.

Judge

31-08-03, 15:13

Why shouldn't any "silly sod" be able to get rares? I mean they pay for the game thus they should be able to take part in PvP. As it is at heart a PvP game. I'm not saying that they should be given rares I'm just saying that "rares" don't need to be rare. What is the point? Appart from keeping the people who already have loads of rares/tech parts in power and better than the new people who join?

Helen Angilley

31-08-03, 15:14

Hey, no-one's forcing you to stick around like some deranged, desperate and ignorant twat of a puppy.

People have done perfectly well before MC5s, having one won't make much of a difference.

Dribble Joy

31-08-03, 15:16

I mean you should have to do some amount of work for it, If you so deperately need to do PvP then go and earn it, whether by getting the parts yourself or buying them from others.

Judge

31-08-03, 15:27

Hey was that directed at me Helen?

Anyway I wasn't talking about MC5 chips if you were refering to me, I couldn't give a flying fuck about MC5 chips as I don't need one and they aren't worth the time to get one or get it poked in.

QuantumDelta

31-08-03, 15:29

Helen, haven't we got a thing or two to talk about? since I'm back? :P

Helen Angilley

31-08-03, 15:29

Originally posted by Judge
Hey was that directed at me Helen?

Anyway I wasn't talking about MC5 chips if you were refering to me, I couldn't give a flying fuck about MC5 chips as I don't need one and they aren't worth the time to get one or get it poked in.

No, when I reply to a specific person I use their name or quote their post.

Mingerroo

31-08-03, 15:39

All im saying is, it wouldnt be so bad if spies had real PA, but atm i need to get an MC5 chip so that I can wear the armour without gimping myself too much.

\\Fényx//

31-08-03, 16:46

guys ffs,

Raycor and Rhoid do MC5 on their own, jsut the 2 of them, ive been there and seen them do it. now once i went there with polarity and d1sh0nest and got 5 parts from 2 drops, generally considering how bloody hard the commander is to kill now after 11 kills you would expect atleast 2 or 3 parts ffs. come on guys. all you fucktards saying that rares are rare and should be rare etc etc is talking crap. Every rare that you have and use for pvp did you get EVERY SINGLE PART yourself. or were you given any parts or infact the whole item itself. Tere are not ALOT of MC5's circulating yet. Rhoid and raycor between them have 4 chars so im guessing that they are trying to complete 4 maybe 5 or 6 of the chips for their chars including a DS which IS hard to complete.

Next time you tits start preaching how rares should be rare and how rares ruin pvp why not try going a week without useing them? eh?

[Edit] on another note i see the 2 of them as being ''collectors'' which is why they want the chips, not so they can be ubar blahblahblah. My tank dont have a herc, im not particularly botherd at not having one, i do have a SA for my PE tho, and that WAS a bitch to get hold of...

Style

31-08-03, 17:21

people say that pkers destroyed this game, and that getting rares quick made customers leave early....

but all you people who say that 'rares should be rare' think that you are doing best for KK...

you are wrong, because ever since rare drops where made very rare, new players stopped coming to play....

one my friends who has started playing this game recently says that its a treadmill to cap and take part in pvp, and he says he feels like leaving, but he got given most of his stuff.

thats why he is still here, the average person who works and has a life in the right mind will find it hard to play this game.

why make 'rares rare' when the odd person who has the time to play this 24/7 whines about making rares hard to get. why hold people back, people dont like to be held back. i makes them angry, and frustrated, and that is not a game. a game should be fun for everyone. not just the person who plays a game consantly whenever they are home.

you should be able to pick this game up, and play having fun. not grittin your teeth shooting at mobs mindlessly for a month straight to get everything you need for 6 - 7 hours a day.

you should be able to shoot at mobs for an hour a day, then go have fun for the other hours you have to play. not spend all your day grittin your teeth for a month just to get to the fun part of this game.

[edit - not everyone is single]

Tazo

31-08-03, 17:23

whoa :)

hi style... i thought you were gone for good, wb :p

umm are you?

Mingerroo

31-08-03, 17:29

Style the problem isn't the game, its your friends friends. When I played this game I brought a friend with me, so we levelled together, explored together etc. Then we went off and made friends with other peeps online. IMO this game isnt meant to be played as a singleplayer level-em-up with chit chat on the side, its all about interaction and playing about, messing around, etc. Looking for things to do.

However, if I had any one gripe, it would be that there isnt enough mid-low level content, such as dungeons with mini-prizes (we only have those for high level players)

Whenever I got bored Id set myself new roleplay tasks, like my friend and I were anti-technology for a long time, so we never went into the city and lived in the OZ PKing (at like 2 chev). That was awesome because we had to hire runners from teh city to do jobs for us, they came to us and we gave them the money then they went off and got us items researched, constructed and modded.

I named my pistols and gave them background history. I used catchphrases right before I killed someone. Just the little things to make my character deep and enjoyable. I loved that character and it was probably one of my favourites. Now I play a rifle spy and am a one man hacker TG clan. I poke as well and just love playing. I level up like once a week because I am close to capped but rarely hunt. A lot of the time I just wander around, trade here and there, chat. Assist in OP raids. Help others.

This character, my rifler, was a PK, now he lives in the wastelands in repent for his sins.

Nobody told me to do that I just did it myself, PKing got boring so I flipped his life and gave story for it.

This game is like DnD, the basic rules are easy to learn and play with, its the roleplaying that counts, and only you can instigate it. :D :D :)

Style

31-08-03, 17:38

that would be nice, if the game was free yes...

but this game costs money to play, and i speak for 60% of this worls population that don' go near online MMORPGs, because thye don't wana waste their time grittin their teeth.

this game was fun at the start of retail. now it is not. maybe you like to do that sorta thing? but many other in this world does not, thats why there is no new players. the first 4 months of retail there was ALWAYS new people, because this game was fun to play at any level. then the nerf stick went over everything that made his game what it was fun destroyed this game. dont any of you all notice how there was never any new players after the quickbelt system, and realy really low drop rate?

and don't come at me with the bullshit, there is new players.i know there is, but none of them make a change in the world like it says on the back of the game box!

i bet most of the new players that do try the free trial, quit playing because it is no fun for them this game, and they dont know what its like when you get to cap your charecter and take part in op battles, or pk etc.

face it, this game will never get new players untill dome of york. then we will see how this game goes it. but KK want to get neptune back out to make half of this games community come back and play.

Carinth

31-08-03, 17:49

Rares are not rare, I hate to break it to you guys. If they were rare then people would not get 10 cs's made to get decent slots. Nor would they have stockpiles of every rare in their apts. Every single high level monk ends up getting a Psi Core, how rare is that? It's no more rare then the other imps I'm using just somewhat harder to get. MC5 chips were rare for a short time, but nolonger. When you say "rares should be rare" you are simply punishing those who havn't already stocked up, ie new players.

For me it's all about risk and reward. If I'm expected to take part in NeoCamp and repeatedly kill the same mob over and over again, then I should be rewarded. MC5 has the toughest mobs in the game, yet you're not rewarded every kill. I've done 5 runs in there and not gotten any parts. Other times I'll do 3 and get 1 part. It generaly takes 4-6 people with half being ppu's. Most of your time will be spent rezzing/being rezzed since you will die repeatedly. After 3 kills do you expect me to be happy about getting 1 part? That 1 part is 1 of 30 parts only a few of which are what I'm there to try and get. This drop rate is only acceptable if they place was easier. Yet no, it's the most difficult in the game! You can not increase difficulty and not increase the reward, it just doesn't work!

CryptoChronic

31-08-03, 18:13

well how many people did you have in there at the time... the drop rate is lower with the more people you have in the room

Shadow Dancer

31-08-03, 18:24

I agree with QD and Car.

Btw rares and pvp just do not go together. How can you a pvp based game has "rares" with such an overpowering effect in PvP? That's so stupid. If you want to spend 500000000000000000000000000 years, hours, and NC to get your 1337 rare then make it like UO where the rares have nothing to do with PvP. Why not make rare apts, vehicles, CLOTHES, etc... Why do all rares have to be Fing PvP related ffs?

That's SO SILLY!

If you want everyone to be able to PvP then you cannot make "rares" truely "rare" otherwise you would "rarely" see PvP.

:rolleyes:

DrNarf

31-08-03, 18:48

Once myself, another ppu and 2 apus spent most of a day in mc5, and we only left with 8 parts to show for it (2 parts each), and there was almost always a ppu outside the commander's room to play it safe. I remember streaks of 10-15 commanders in a row with no parts, I know rares should be rare, but not THAT rare. I agree with shadow QD, and all those people, no item that is so important in pvp can afford to be as rare as it is.

Cass

31-08-03, 21:22

Remember when you were a noob, and you killed that Cyclops Launcher and it had 3 imps in it? Lots of loot. Then you noticed that the drops gradually got fewer as you levelled higher, and once you levelled OVER the cyclops launcher, you noticed the drops on the Cyclops turned to shit. You're lucky if you even get trash to clone with.

That's how it is for ALL drops, including rares.

Now I know that you're not HIGHER than the base commander, but you're still higher than you were when you used to get 1 MC5 part off every base commander you killed. That one WB you killed that had 3 rares in it was a long time ago, huh. You've raised your rank since then.

All you people are obsessed with seeing your rank be higher than the next guy. What you're not realizing is the higher your rank, the shittier your drops. That's the way KK has the drops coded. Period. End of story. It's no different for rare parts or imps off a Cyclops.

Rocket science, huh.

I'm not sayin you shouldn't advance your rank. Not at all. I'm sayin KK needs to stop penalizing higher rank players with the current loot drop percentages. They need to raise the bar on anything that drops rares, so that a maxed-or-near-maxed char still gets a decent amount of rares, and not "11 Dead Base Commanders = zero parts" which I agree is bullshit.

OTIS

31-08-03, 21:44

idk if this is off subject by now i just read over the first 3 pages...but i remember back in January it took me a week and a half to get my marine cpu and 2 weeks to get my CS...The funny thing is i already had 3 or 4 parts for each. Yes thats right it took me over a week to find 3 or 4 rare parts that i needed. Of course i hated it but it makes sense to have these "rare" parts hard to get. I'm not gunna go to websters and get the exact definition for rare but i'm just sick of hearing "nerf" and "up the drop rate" threads. I mean cant u just play the game w/o finding something to complain about? I played for about 8 monthes without getting on the forums. And i had plenty of problems...but i just played the game and didnt think about complaining to anyone. Well anyway (now that i have complained about complainers) thats my 2 cents.:D

Judge

31-08-03, 23:05

Originally posted by Shadow Dancer
If you want everyone to be able to PvP then you cannot make "rares" truely "rare" otherwise you would "rarely" see PvP.

That is going in my sig, best way to describe how shite the "rares should be rare" argument is. And in one sentence.

Now Otis. Lets look at what you just said. You had say 6 parts of 10 that you needed for your two rares, and that it took you 3-4 weeks to get the remaining 4 parts. Don't you see something wrong in that? I mean what perchance would happen to the guy who just recently joined and once got up to rare useage level then found that it would take him 8-10 weeks (by the numbers that you said) to be able to actually get a rare. Even if he had got a few techs on the way up to rare useage ability then he would still need OVER A MONTH to be able to take part in PvP. This is a PvP game.

Oh yeah and we "complain" mainly because we love the game and want it to succeed, not just because we are bored.

Style

31-08-03, 23:28

i would just like to say to any of the dev team who read this, or any gm who speaks to the dev team regurly to pass this message on...

this is a good mmorpg, probally the best. but with the current rules you are making you are just making the same old mistakes other mmorpgs have made, thats why no one likes them. if you make the rules alot more better, to the way they was when people where buying this game. people will either never leave.. or leave on good terms with neocron. instead of telling all his/her friends that this game sucks.

what am trying to say is. all games get boring, after awhile. you cant change this. but instead of holding on to customers, you should make the game more fun for the new players. and the players who are getting bored and not devoting them selves to play much.

Crazios

01-09-03, 00:40

QuantumDelta who says rares where not supposed to work like it is now? can u copy past the line that a gm or kk employee did say that.

or is that your 2 cents?

I base my setup aswell on non mc5 implants but i have a dimsplitter for 1 of my monks and i have to say its usefull but other setups are just as good as a monk with a dimsplitter most of the time. since its more aimed at a hybird then a ppu or apu.

And about MC5 its easy it can be done with 2 people, and yes it can be hard sometimes u will die a few times etc but thats wy u need atleast 2 people 1 to resurect and 1 to do the fighting.

The rest u have to find out yourself i dont want to ruin it for u.

And dont call me a kid please, if someone is a kid that lives here on the forum its u ;) No offence...

Ow back to the point Normal rares.

I think its fine the way its now. i get all the rares i need in my time that i play and that isnt 24/7, more like 1 to 5 hours a day and thats not as much as some other players.

Ofcourse u can say drop rates to low, there are to many rare parts, there are to much power full rares, there are to much weak rares etc etc. its just not possible to get everyone happy and have a rare "system" that everyone likes. since some will always say there are to many or we need more rares. or they degrade to fast or to slow.

Again if u dont like it how it is go play another game and stop makeing such big deal of it its a GAME that can change all the time, when there is new content implented. or when they change stats or remove something ingame..
Thats what keeps the game alive imho the changes everyone whines or complains or thinks its great. it keeps people active instead of bored, because nothing happends.

But hey u are most likely going to Bash me over what i did just say so i leave it by this and go play the game instead of wasteing my time here talking to u. because i payed for my time to play this game hehe.

So have fun bashing me kiddo :)
:lol: :lol: :lol:

bibliotequa

01-09-03, 03:03

i was about to post on this.... i spent 7 hours in forking mc5 today... 4 of them waiting for hogan to zone so we could kill the commander (he had an aregument with new dawn, so he went afk to prevent the spawn) 4 hours later, we started killing it, we killed it.... 11 times was it? and not one time did it drop a tech... the loot i got today was 2 reg techs, a movement controller 3, a balance advancer 3, and a wep part 9. and all but the balanceadvancer were from the guards outside, the balance advancer was from the commander.... what a waste of my time, and since i was doing the looting everyone though i was stealing them, course, it was 3 hunting parties that collided in there, so it was like 6 ppl

Scikar

01-09-03, 03:06

Originally posted by Crazios
And dont call me a kid please, if someone is a kid that lives here on the forum its u ;) No offence...

Nothing like a good show of maturity to stop people calling you a kid, kid. :rolleyes:

DonnyJepp

01-09-03, 04:38

Originally posted by Crazios
I base my setup aswell on non mc5 implants but i have a dimsplitter for 1 of my monks and i have to say its usefull but other setups are just as good as a monk with a dimsplitter most of the time. since its more aimed at a hybird then a ppu or apu.

So basically....You got your chip so the drop rate must be fine?

o_O

IronMonkey

01-09-03, 04:46

crazios had his mc5 long before the nerfage

Ferabukoo

01-09-03, 09:48

if you want an mc5 chip... learn how to do banners... [ edited for violation of the forum rules - flaming ]

ghandisfury

01-09-03, 11:24

Originally posted by DonnyJepp
So basically....You got your chip so the drop rate must be fine?

o_O

EXACTLY.......99.9% of these people that say "the drop rate is fine" are capped players that got their rares when WBs dropped 2 or 3 techs every kill. They have multiple duplicates of the rare items they need.....so their hunts are for pleasure only. (meaning that there is a big difference from the guy who hunts because he "needs" his new lib/cs/whatever and the guy who hunts cause he would like to get some parts for the clan).

So, the drop rate is fubar......MC5 commander should have a drop rate of 100%, but atm I would be satisfied with 50....or 40......or even 10% some nights.

Judge

01-09-03, 12:18

Indeed ghandis.... for people who weren't there at the beginning this game is a bitch to get rares.

Mingerroo

01-09-03, 12:39

Thats not true judge... I started a new character after the drop changes and I found it fairly easy to get rares. I work in a team with two real life friends and we collect and pool them... Being different classes its fairly simple to decide who will need what.

ericdraven

01-09-03, 12:45

Sunday, eight days ago we went the first time to MC5 to "farm" it.. only my PPU mate and me.
Yesterday, exactly one week later, we have 105 MC5 parts, both of us got our DS, we got 3 SAs, one Hawking, 2 Hercules and one Riggers Dream.

Oooh yes, this parts are sooo bloody rare, i can't believe it.. :lol:

And yes, we had times with 10 kills and no parts.. so what? Next time we got 3 parts with one kill.

And still people say "OMFG MC5 is soo hard now without the glass!!111" and things like this.. ridiculous.. if you want those chips then get them, it's not difficult AT ALL.

Same for the "normal" rare parts.. they drop more than enough.. if you don't want to spend time with hunting mobs but prefer to be a 1337 PvPer running around in Pepper Park all the time then it's your choice, but don't complain that there are not enough rare parts.

This topics are really going to piss me off soon. :rolleyes:

hinch

01-09-03, 12:46

eric can i borrow your ppu to take my pe there :)

ericdraven

01-09-03, 12:49

Originally posted by hinch
eric can i borrow your ppu to take my pe there :)

You have to ask him, not me. :p

Style

01-09-03, 12:49

*cough* and you had the time to start a new charecter mingeroo? which means that you are a hardcore player.

and you said it the guy above aswell, you spend 1- 5 hours a day online and oyu get all your rares? mate, your basically saying that you spend most a time farming. that is not fun for people who don't wana do that.

also, not everyone is here to make a friend. i tried to solo fire mobs because im a tank, i cant hack warbots. anyway it took me 25 minutes to solo a grim chaser alone with a tangent plasma cannon.... i got NO tech parts! that is jus bullshit!

25 minutes waste of my time. and please don say 'you should work in a team' because everyone else is using rares and gets to the loot and shit! if they get the loot and there is a tech part that person aint gona give it to you!

something needs done.

Weazle

01-09-03, 12:56

A few questions Eric ... how much time in total did it take?

What is the estimated rate per hour were you getting parts?

Another thing to note that Eric, you're on Uranus. The server is different to the others and depending on CPU type and speed, random values get calculated slightly differently as they are usually based on cpu cycles.

ericdraven

01-09-03, 13:09

Originally posted by Weazle
A few questions Eric ... how much time in total did it take?

What is the estimated rate per hour were you getting parts?

Another thing to note that Eric, you're on Uranus. The server is different to the others and depending on CPU type and speed, random values get calculated slightly differently as they are usually based on cpu cycles.

I would say about 25 hours.
And random is still random, i don't think that Uranus is TEH RARE SERVER. :p

Mingerroo

01-09-03, 13:33

Originally posted by Style
*cough* and you had the time to start a new charecter mingeroo? which means that you are a hardcore player.

and you said it the guy above aswell, you spend 1- 5 hours a day online and oyu get all your rares? mate, your basically saying that you spend most a time farming. that is not fun for people who don't wana do that.

also, not everyone is here to make a friend. i tried to solo fire mobs because im a tank, i cant hack warbots. anyway it took me 25 minutes to solo a grim chaser alone with a tangent plasma cannon.... i got NO tech parts! that is jus bullshit!

25 minutes waste of my time. and please don say 'you should work in a team' because everyone else is using rares and gets to the loot and shit! if they get the loot and there is a tech part that person aint gona give it to you!

something needs done.

I already said, I dont farm. I basically run around doing anything but farming, then spend an hour maybe killing WBs for fun. Because I have RL friends i guess its easier (and im not really hardcore at all, I just enjoy maybe 1-5 hours a day, as in, sometimes 1, occasionally 5).

Starting a new character and then playing a little more over the holidays doesnt make me "hardcore" at all in my opinion. I just play for fun.

I hate farming as much as the next person... so I dont. Basically just don't feel you HAVE to do anything and you'll enjoy the game. I don't see why people get so stressed its just a damn game. I lost a rare weapon and i was like "oh no... oh well" then i logged, came back a couple of days later and put together a new one (paying for some parts obviously).

as a 3 chev I got 2 parts per WB (hacker/spy soloing them) and the same goes for another guy with a similar setup. But then as I got higher level I lost that and now i get prolly 2 in every 3 WBs with a rare or level 3 imp.

Just will you all please stop bitching and play the dsamn game. And dont make assumptions about me Style because I dont appreciate it. Im not hardcore, I play for fun. The main problem here is that everyone wants to get the rewards of hardcore players but dont play all the time... I dont want the rewards so I dont care about rares in an amazing way. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

ericdraven

01-09-03, 13:38

Originally posted by Mingerroo
The main problem here is that everyone wants to get the rewards of hardcore players but dont play all the time...

That's exactly the point.
If someone plays more often OF COURSE he should get the reward of better equipment/stats/whatever.

It would be nice if you would get the same salary for working one hour per week as for working 50 hours per week, but it doesn't really work like this, does it?

Weazle

01-09-03, 13:42

Originally posted by ericdraven
I would say about 25 hours.
And random is still random, i don't think that Uranus is TEH RARE SERVER. :p

Eric.

Ok that would make it 4 parts per hour ... you lucky sod ;)

To be honest, what you just did cannot conclusively prove your point. You'd need to try it at least for another 2 weeks to see if you actually got lucky. Each time you take note of the day and time you were on, player ranks and server population. Also you'd need to do on all servers to see if there are differences between servers besides the actual computer hardware.

Then if that proves your then come back and say that we need to hunt at this time and have this rank to ensure the maximum chances of getting parts. Until then, your view will continue to be biased even though you "may" be right.

Also, when computers determine "random" its not truly random. Computers use an algorithm to calculate random numbers. They are are called pseudo-random numbers and can generate a sequence of numbers quite close to each other from this algorithm at various times.

ericdraven

01-09-03, 13:48

Originally posted by Weazle
Eric.

Ok that would make it 4 parts per hour ... you lucky sod ;)

To be honest, what you just did cannot conclusively prove your point. You'd need to try it at least for another 2 weeks to see if you actually got lucky. Each time you take note of the day and time you were on, player ranks and server population. Also you'd need to do on all servers to see if there are differences between servers besides the actual computer hardware.

Then if that proves your then come back and say that we need to hunt at this time and have this rank to ensure the maximum chances of getting parts. Until then, your view will continue to be biased even though you "may" be right.

Also, when computers determine "random" its not truly random. Computers use an algorithm to calculate random numbers. They are are called pseudo-random numbers and can generate a sequence of numbers quite close to each other from this algorithm at various times.

Actually i won't go to MC5 very often anymore.. maybe once, twice a week to get a few more parts. But i got the stuff i wanted - the Dimension Splitter - so no more need to farm it. :p

And yes i know how computer "random" works, but still.. i don't think this is the reason why we got a lot of parts..

Maybe someone else can better judge this - someone who plays on several servers and was at MC5 often enough.

Mingerroo

01-09-03, 14:03

Originally posted by ericdraven
That's exactly the point.
If someone plays more often OF COURSE he should get the reward of better equipment/stats/whatever.

It would be nice if you would get the same salary for working one hour per week as for working 50 hours per week, but it doesn't really work like this, does it?

Dude you are arguing with somebody who agrees with you. This is entirely my point. I only expect to get what I play for. Everyone else seems to want everything to land in their lap, what they dont realise is that all the hardcore players would have 4-5 slot rares while we have 1-2 maybe no slot rares. Im fine with getting crap all, everyone just wants everything here and now.

ericdraven

01-09-03, 14:07

Originally posted by Mingerroo
Dude you are arguing with somebody who agrees with you. This is entirely my point. I only expect to get what I play for. Everyone else seems to want everything to land in their lap, what they dont realise is that all the hardcore players would have 4-5 slot rares while we have 1-2 maybe no slot rares. Im fine with getting crap all, everyone just wants everything here and now.

No no, i was not arguing with you, it was meant as a general statement, sorry. :)

CryptoChronic

01-09-03, 14:11

Originally posted by Shadow Dancer
I agree with QD and Car.

Btw rares and pvp just do not go together. How can you a pvp based game has "rares" with such an overpowering effect in PvP? That's so stupid. If you want to spend 500000000000000000000000000 years, hours, and NC to get your 1337 rare then make it like UO where the rares have nothing to do with PvP. Why not make rare apts, vehicles, CLOTHES, etc... Why do all rares have to be Fing PvP related ffs?

That's SO SILLY!

If you want everyone to be able to PvP then you cannot make "rares" truely "rare" otherwise you would "rarely" see PvP.

:rolleyes:

good point .. there really should be other types of rares

Style

01-09-03, 14:56

i dont wan everything 'here and now'. im saying it was alot better when you could go out for an hour or 2 and get about 15 techs to ress. then you can go to plaza and spend a few hours chatting to people, and trading for the rare you want.

livide

01-09-03, 15:05

just for the guys who say its impossible to get parts there ^^

http://members.chello.at/neocron/Div/mc5_01.jpg

http://members.chello.at/neocron/Div/mc5_02.jpg

:angel:
greetZ

ericdraven

01-09-03, 15:16

/me smiles at his favorite PPU livide. :p :p

Carinth

01-09-03, 17:55

Just because you got lucky doesn't mean you can say the drops rate is fine. I've been doing mc5 since it was first put in. I've long since gotten myself a Splitter, but I hafta keep going back to gather parts for my clan. When it was easy to stay there for several hours and camp then yes you could get a decent number of parts, we would often walk away with 6 parts or so from a days hunt. Yet then the place was so crowded that it was hard to get in a long hunting session. Now its vastly harder so it takes longer to kill and many more deaths per kill, yet drop rate wasn't changed. I havn't gotten more then 1 part on a kill in months. So now we're averaging 3-5 kills and getting 1 part. That's stupid for how hard it is. I'm aware of some tricks that might make it easier to farm mc5, but they are tricks and not the intended way to do it. So anyone that says mc5 is easy is using a trick or hasn't been there recently. You need a team of 4-6 to easily do it. Even then people will be dying nonstop. No ppu buffs can withstand 3+ guards shooting at once.

Previously the Commander was averaging a drop every 3-4 kills, you'd go through a dry spree then the next few kills would drop parts. Sometimes he'd drop two parts and once in a while he'd drop 3, most often only one. Now with how hard it is, staying there long enough to get parts would require so much work its just not worth it.

ericdraven

01-09-03, 18:22

Yes, i die frequently in MC5.. so what? I do not expect anything else, nor does the PPU expect anything else.

No need to use tricks or zone every ten seconds or whatever, for me MC5 is EASIER than before. Yes, the glass is removed and now the guards can hit you from everywhere. But I can ALSO hit them from (almost) everywhere.

And the fact that everyone is pissing in his pants because the glass got removed makes it even easier - we hardly were interrupted 'cause no one shows up at MC5 anymore. Thanks people.

Carinth

01-09-03, 18:42

Well then we are going to different MC5's, I've tried going with just a Tank and ppu. We managed to kill the Commander once, second try wasn't worth it so we left. An apu may be able to do more damage but would die faster then the Tank. If a Tank can't do it, there's noway an Apu can. Since then I've only gone in a group of 4-6, with 2-3 ppu's. That's the only way I've found to kill the Commander fast enough for it to be worthwhile. Maybe you found some magic technique, my experiences there have been totaly different.

Noone has even mentioned the worst part, because of the stupid gr's being closed only some people can even get close to MC5. The closest GR is Escador at 5 zones away. I'm lucky that on Pluto my clan usualy controls Syncon, only 2 zones away. Yet even that's a pain to run accross just to die at MC5. Tangent almost always owns Nemesis and Soliko on Pluto so we're screwed. It was much nicer knowing I could gr to Soliko if I die and run back to recover my belt. Now I hafta hike accross two zones. Stupid time synchs *sigh*

Shadow Dancer

01-09-03, 19:08

Originally posted by ericdraven

Yesterday, exactly one week later, we have 105 MC5 parts,

Originally posted by ericdraven

it's not difficult AT ALL.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by ericdraven

And the fact that everyone is pissing in his pants because the glass got removed makes it even easier - we hardly were interrupted 'cause no one shows up at MC5 anymore. Thanks people.

Yes it's easier so fewer people show up, that makes sense.

ALso, you're happy no one is there anymore? Hrmmmm, I had a member of this forum LIKE the fact that the glass was removed, and he told me in-game that it was for the same reason you're telling me now, basically a selfish reason.

ericdraven

01-09-03, 19:14

Originally posted by Shadow Dancer
ALso, you're happy no one is there anymore? Hrmmmm, I had a member of this forum LIKE the fact that the glass was removed, and he told me in-game that it was for the same reason you're telling me now, basically a selfish reason.

Selfish? Wrong word. I am rather amused about that fact that no one is hunting in MC5 anymore.

@Carinth - sorry, no dirty tricks or whatever, just "normal" playing. Probably people are just not able to adapt their tactics and still try to play the "old style"? Well.. THEN... :)
And i also have to run from Escador all the time.. i don't know why people make such a big fuss about running ten minutes..