View Full Version : OMG OMG!! Fix the rares!!!
ghandisfury
21-08-03, 17:53
After 12 hours of hunting, and more deaths that I can count.....here is the outcome.
100+ Yreps, 10+ horrors, 20+ Terror raptors, 20+ Warbot......we walked away with a whopping 11 rares.....11!!!! 2 Es, 5 Ts, 4 Ls, and 2 vehicle 10s......this is a joke.
KK, you have made rares "required" for PvP, then you have nerfed them into oblivion. You have made "required" specialization, which in turn makes forced teaming.....yet make the rewards nothing at all. The rares should be as follows (imo)
Yrep commanders 90% chance of a rare
horrors/raptors/brutes 60% chance of a rare
WBs around 25%
MC5 commander???? 100%!!!!! that's right, every time you go in that room, you should pull out a rare.
I'm not to the point that hivemind is (as far as being ready to quit) but I'm getting there rapidly. You have given us the work....now give us the reward.
Dont forget to rate this thread.
Mumblyfish
21-08-03, 17:57
Funny that. I manage to pull in about 20 rares an hour simply hunting fire mobs. On my lonesome. You MUST be doing something wrong.
Hideously high combat rank?
Too many people attacking the mobs?
I thinks its all Luck ...
Sometime u earn from a WB 0 Parts and next time 1,2,3 the best i had was 4 parts !!.
The same with Terror Leapers and Y Commanders...
whaaa whaaa whaaa every wish i have - like the one for a rare - should be insta-gratified whaaa whaaa whaaa im 5 years old
ghandisfury
21-08-03, 18:03
Originally posted by Tazo
whaaa whaaa whaaa every wish i have - like the one for a rare - should be insta-gratified whaaa whaaa whaaa im 5 years old
:wtf: Who's the five year old?
Hmm I was hunting Warbots (and a few stray decayeds but mostly wbs) on the tundra last night for about 3 hours, came out with the following:
9 techs (some decent ones too)
exp leg, head, foot
motoric 3, balance 3, neural 3
5 Vehicle 10 parts
several implant parts I, J, and K.
But I agree it is pretty inconsistent. Those 9 techs came off of probably 40 warbots. Considering the tech pool is getting up around 400-500 parts, that ain't dick for a hard night's work.
I don't have any real advice for tech part hunters but to find a zone where there are warbots, and keep knocking them down. You also help the spawn rate by killing all the large and small spiderbots in the zone, because warbots are tied to the same "mana pool" as the 45/45 and 50/50 spiderbots. If you are good you can drop 3 warbots simultaneously from the same clip of ammo and hack all 3 without losing any of them.
Every single mob over 75/75 should drop a tech part. Bring some life back into the stagnant techs market. Tech parts mostly only trade for other tech parts these days. There should be a cash market for them also and increasing the drops would help bring that about.
D
ghandisfury
21-08-03, 18:20
Originally posted by Mumblyfish
Too many people attacking the mobs?
Exactly my point....they have forced teaming with specialization...and then penalize you for teaming because to many people are shooting at the target...:wtf:
Mumblyfish
21-08-03, 18:22
I'm EXTREMELY specialised, and don't need to team. Not even for MC5.
Just go with one person, PPU probably, and you'll be in Techpart heaven.
ghandi has a point.
In most cases, rares are necessary for PvP.
The exceptions are pistol PEs who can easily get along using a blacksun, and PPUs if they use something else other than holy para.
People think the answer is to remove rares. No. I think a better solution would be to go back to the old drop rate, where you usually got at least 2 rares off every WB (I even got 6 off one once :) )
PS: It's been pretty much proven that rare drop rates aren't affected by combat rank, only other loot is (ie VHC parts, imps)
Originally posted by Lethys
ghandi has a point.
In most cases, rares are necessary for PvP.
The exceptions are pistol PEs who can easily get along using a blacksun, and PPUs if they use something else other than holy para.
People think the answer is to remove rares. No. I think a better solution would be to go back to the old drop rate, where you usually got at least 2 rares off every WB (I even got 6 off one once :) )
PS: It's been pretty much proven that rare drop rates aren't affected by combat rank, only other loot is (ie VHC parts, imps)
Or beef non rares up so the difference between the highest tl non rare and the rare isnt so huge
ghandisfury
21-08-03, 18:30
Or remove the penalty for teaming.......
Originally posted by Tazo
whaaa whaaa whaaa every wish i have - like the one for a rare - should be insta-gratified whaaa whaaa whaaa im 5 years old
Dude, either read the thread and comment in a viable way or don't. All he was saying was that he killed a FUCKLOAD of mobs in a team and they got shite all for techs parts. They aren't asking to be given 5 slot artifact CS's just a fair reward system for the effort that you put in. Also unless you have been on mars for the last week or so there are ALOT of people with the same sentiments and are close to leaving, these are pretty long time players and recent one month people alike and its pissing people off big time.
So basically STFU.
I feel your pain, man.
I had the same prob, and then all of a sudden my rare probs went away, but I don't collect them anymore now anyway because I wanna throw up if i have to kill another WB, and firemobs other than the Decayed types always completely pwn me. I don't really know if its completely random or if it depends on something else, but it truely feels like this game is just jerking you around sometimes with rares. Which wouldn't be strange as it certainly does jerk you around with other things (Int 80 tradeskill cap, anyone?)
ghandisfury
21-08-03, 20:12
Originally posted by Futureman
I feel your pain, man.
I had the same prob, and then all of a sudden my rare probs went away, but I don't collect them anymore now anyway because I wanna throw up if i have to kill another WB, and firemobs other than the Decayed types always completely pwn me. I don't really know if its completely random or if it depends on something else, but it truely feels like this game is just jerking you around sometimes with rares. Which wouldn't be strange as it certainly does jerk you around with other things (Int 80 tradeskill cap, anyone?)
Yes, WBs are easy money.....BORING.....Brutes, horrors a bit more challenging yet still boring......Fire mobs for some reason Pwn most people yet are still boring and just as unrewarding. Yreps Pwn EVERYONE and are even less rewarding (if you are teamed)....(which you have to be).....It's a bunch of bull, I don't mind doing the "work" infact I enjoy it.....but it's utter BS when you do 8 MC5 runs and get nothing, or 100+ Yreps and get 9 tech parts.....
Could someone please clue me in on this "INT 80 tradeskill cap" thing? I must have missed a thread....:confused:
SigmaDraconis
21-08-03, 20:37
^.^ killed 10 or so WB's this morning with my trusty TAR at MB 7 techs...AMC3....Nueral3...exp arm and 2 C10..
its usually not THAT good..usually half as good..but still i dunno why u r cursed :P
ghandisfury
21-08-03, 21:14
Originally posted by SigmaDraconis
^.^ killed 10 or so WB's this morning with my trusty TAR at MB 7 techs...AMC3....Nueral3...exp arm and 2 C10..
its usually not THAT good..usually half as good..but still i dunno why u r cursed :P
I'm not cursed.....it's the teaming penalty....I don't dispute that you can kill 10 and get some good techs. Can you do a Ycomander solo? If I kill a commander solo (which takes ten times longer than a WB) I usualy get a tech....but at the same time, I could have killed 10 WBs (which makes me want to puke....tired of the dang things) and recieved 5 techs. So I am forced to team, and get penalized.
Point is, they force you to team, then penalize you for it.
They make rares mandatory for PvP then nerf the drop rate.
They nerf the drop rate, then nerf the slot chances.
My god, aren't things going backwords? What used to be a fun outing and succesful outing with my mates has turned into a fruitless and tiresome expedition.
/me votes dead animals.
I really am indifferent... never been much for using rares.
Probably because I was a droner for the first 10 months of NC :p
ghandisfury
21-08-03, 21:24
Originally posted by -FN-
/me votes dead animals.
I really am indifferent... never been much for using rares.
Probably because I was a droner for the first 10 months of NC :p
{Character: FuckNut} {Class: Monk}
{Weapon Of Choice: Fire Apocolypse}
hehe *points at fire apoc*.......:p
Originally posted by Lethys
ghandi has a point.
In most cases, rares are necessary for PvP.
The exceptions are pistol PEs who can easily get along using a blacksun, and PPUs if they use something else other than holy para.
People think the answer is to remove rares. No. I think a better solution would be to go back to the old drop rate, where you usually got at least 2 rares off every WB (I even got 6 off one once :) )
PS: It's been pretty much proven that rare drop rates aren't affected by combat rank, only other loot is (ie VHC parts, imps)
about your title :) i know this must have been said but NO I'M SPARTACUS hehe
but yeah PVP + RARE = good PVP - RARE = DEAD in most cases
they should either higher the drop rate or higher the effectivness of High TL shop made stuff.
funkeymonkey
21-08-03, 22:04
Maybe its because my character is not quite capped yet (psi 102, base 94 and 2 attack chips), but i do better with my energy beam than my Hl (HL has 120 in dmg and freq).
It seems to do excatly the same damge, uses less mana, i can pretty much allways run cast it and it casts faster. Though the fire beam is not worth using, the posion and energy beams are pretty good.
ghandisfury
21-08-03, 22:41
Originally posted by funkeymonkey
Maybe its because my character is not quite capped yet (psi 102, base 94 and 2 attack chips), but i do better with my energy beam than my Hl (HL has 120 in dmg and freq).
It seems to do excatly the same damge, uses less mana, i can pretty much allways run cast it and it casts faster. Though the fire beam is not worth using, the posion and energy beams are pretty good.
o_O erm......wrong thread maybe?
I have a brainport idea to make rare useful and make PvP last LONGA!
Make rares equal in power to the highest level store bought item, but make rares give you other powers or abilities instead.
Like liberator would increase agility by like 30 while worn.
Or Cursed Soul would give a bit of energy+x-ray resist.
Shit like that. :p
Originally posted by Mumblyfish
I'm EXTREMELY specialised, and don't need to team. Not even for MC5
:lol: Yea whatever, just u in Mc5 ? :lol:
Originally posted by Tazo
whaaa whaaa whaaa every wish i have - like the one for a rare - should be insta-gratified whaaa whaaa whaaa im 5 years old
Im sorry, but thats just funny. It doesnt really seem insulting, instead its jsut funny.
Originally posted by Arcadius
I have a brainport idea to make rare useful and make PvP last LONGA!
Make rares equal in power to the highest level store bought item, but make rares give you other powers or abilities instead.
Like liberator would increase agility by like 30 while worn.
Or Cursed Soul would give a bit of energy+x-ray resist.
Shit like that. :p
Thats kinda cool, or make them like store bought items in the same way the DoY rifle is the same as STORM raygun, just give them artifact stats. :) I dunno, they should be better than storebought by far because they are so ahrd to get now. But at the moment they are slightly overpowered (by that I mean all rares):D
I still don't get it. Why do people post stuff like this after a bad run? Next time you go out you'll probably get a drop rate of 50% but you won't come back and say so. And I have no idea why you keep saying you are forced to team. I have hunted WBs, Doom Reapers, Decayed Brutes/Horrors and even Grims as a rifle spy, a pistol PE, a HC tank, a rifle PE, and a pure APU monk. And I have done it solo. It is entirely possible to do. Sometimes I've got a bad drop rate but when that happens I just hunt somewhere else, or get a team together to go for xp rather than parts.
When will people learn.... As far as I am concerned.. the drop rates are timed. I've already stated this in another thread. ALWAYS the same time in the same zone for me, and when I do hunt within that 1 hour and 40 minutes, I NEVER come out without at least some nice piece of loot from each and every WB, but it's like it's on a timer or something though... because Like the second after the hour and 40 mins... I get absolute crap again. You guys just need to experiment with the timing (Hint, Hint: Try hunting right at the start of a certain hour...)
neophotographer
22-08-03, 02:12
Originally posted by Tregard
Could someone please clue me in on this "INT 80 tradeskill cap" thing? I must have missed a thread....:confused:
sure. you can't get to level 80 or past it without killing something. you'll just stay at like 3 points from your next level until you do something like kill a rat or such.
oh. and I manage to solo y reps just find without help. don't knwo what your prob is. lol. I do it without dying at all either.....although sometimes I do have to hide and heal. lol.
Stacey, The Neocron Photographer, PGN High Council
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Crap rares need to be improved to increase demand for them, and the drop rate needs to be raised quite a bit.
ericdraven
22-08-03, 10:16
Originally posted by Scikar
I still don't get it. Why do people post stuff like this after a bad run? Next time you go out you'll probably get a drop rate of 50% but you won't come back and say so. And I have no idea why you keep saying you are forced to team. I have hunted WBs, Doom Reapers, Decayed Brutes/Horrors and even Grims as a rifle spy, a pistol PE, a HC tank, a rifle PE, and a pure APU monk. And I have done it solo. It is entirely possible to do. Sometimes I've got a bad drop rate but when that happens I just hunt somewhere else, or get a team together to go for xp rather than parts.
100% agree.
No one comes to the forum writing "w000t, i found 3979845 rare parts in the last three minutes!!!11", but as soon as you have a bad they with only a few rares everyone comes to the forum crying.. o_O
And as Scikar said - you can hunt alone (almost) everything.
Mumblyfish
22-08-03, 12:36
Originally posted by JediMasta
:lol: Yea whatever, just u in Mc5 ? :lol:
Firestorm.
Originally posted by Mumblyfish
Firestorm.
So you go to mc5 without ppu?
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Mumblyfish
22-08-03, 12:40
No lies. But then again, I never said I played by the book ;)
25 % for warbots? Yes if you can kill Y's then thats good.
For someone who can barely kill them (low Combat Rank) I'd say 45% Chance at the very least!
Originally posted by Mumblyfish
No lies. But then again, I never said I played by the book ;)
Cast 2 zone out, heal if need be zone back hide cast another 2 rinse repeat till death?
Cant see many other ways and the fact i seen single tanks doing it this way, or do you have some invincibe spot :p
Mumblyfish
22-08-03, 12:57
Got it in one, LTA.
In making MC5 harder, KK simply promoted people doing dirtier tricks. Go them.
I want rares to be completely removed!!!
but seriously, i think at least the gap between rare and non-rare users shouldn't determine the outcome of the battle.
Rare drop doesn't need a change, instead of kk increasing drop, players should trade more often.
At 59/65 I get about 45% rare chance on warbots...
IronMonkey
22-08-03, 14:49
Originally posted by neophotographer
sure. you can't get to level 80 or past it without killing something. you'll just stay at like 3 points from your next level until you do something like kill a rat or such.
oh. and I manage to solo y reps just find without help. don't knwo what your prob is. lol. I do it without dying at all either.....although sometimes I do have to hide and heal. lol.
Stacey, The Neocron Photographer, PGN High Council
Y reps or Y commanders? o_O
Progenitor
22-08-03, 15:25
Originally posted by Nvidia
When will people learn.... As far as I am concerned.. the drop rates are timed. I've already stated this in another thread. ALWAYS the same time in the same zone for me, and when I do hunt within that 1 hour and 40 minutes, I NEVER come out without at least some nice piece of loot from each and every WB, but it's like it's on a timer or something though... because Like the second after the hour and 40 mins... I get absolute crap again. You guys just need to experiment with the timing (Hint, Hint: Try hunting right at the start of a certain hour...)
I am not so sure about timed as perhaps the number of players on (or in the area) at any given time. It just happens that the number of players on seems to be higher at certain times.
I tend to get better drop rates when there are a lot of people about and less to none, when nobody is about - reguardless of time of day. It might also be that the spawn rate is higher when more people are on/in the same zone as well, and that leads to better chances of drops.
But then, it just could be my imagination. :confused:
-p
ghandisfury
22-08-03, 15:47
Originally posted by Scikar
I still don't get it. Why do people post stuff like this after a bad run? Next time you go out you'll probably get a drop rate of 50% but you won't come back and say so. And I have no idea why you keep saying you are forced to team. I have hunted WBs, Doom Reapers, Decayed Brutes/Horrors and even Grims as a rifle spy, a pistol PE, a HC tank, a rifle PE, and a pure APU monk. And I have done it solo. It is entirely possible to do. Sometimes I've got a bad drop rate but when that happens I just hunt somewhere else, or get a team together to go for xp rather than parts.
I'm not disputing the fact that all mobs in the game (aside from MC5) are solo-able. What I am saying is that you can kill 100 WBs solo, and get 30 rares. Not a bad drop rate. Go ahead and brin 5 people with you....you'll bring home 2. So, we go out and kill the second hardest mob in the game with 120/120 stats, and brought home (in two nights of playing) less than I would in 2 hours of solo.
Teaming is forced for higher end mobs, then penalized.
@ Stacey
I can solo a Yrep commander, but it takes 10 times longer than a WB with many times about the same loot. It's not worth it.
@ Drake
45% o_O
BTW, please vote to fix research, before there are no more researchers..... http://neocron.jafc.de/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72739&perpage=15&pagenumber=2
for the record:
This morning at 8am EST I killed 1 WB and 1 WBT (about 5 minutes apart) and received 4 techs and 1 Vehicle part 9. Only reason I didn't bag more WB's was because the damn things wouldn't respawn for me and I had to leave for work. Decayed Brutes and Horrors in the same zone yielded standard INQ 3 stuff and gobs of chems. WB's were spawned after I had killed off some smaller mecha - both on top of me while I was hacking a sentry bot.
Solo hunt - pretty sure I was the only person in the zone. When I logged in Saturn had about 175 runners.
Rank 53/68 PE, 56 SL - used a TL75 TEP as primary weapon.
I will try and repeat the hunt under the same conditions and time tomorrow morning and see if the drop rate is that good (I know my sample is small). Later tonight I will return to the zone for comparision with this mornings hunt.
greendonkeyuk
22-08-03, 17:41
kugero, well played man, at least its a start.
kugero, well played man, at least its a start
Thanks :)
I think if the time of day theory holds true then KK didn't nerf the drop rate. They nerfed the availability rate ...
/edit: actually it wouldn't surprise me if KK monitored these drop rate posts and as soon as somebody got close to figuring it out they changed it in the next patch ...
When I was a 3 chev, using an EPR I was getting 2 rares for practically every WB, and the same goes for another spy i met with the same conditions. Both of us soloed and hacked our own WBs and WBTs.
Now Im a one star using a DoY rifle and my drop rate has suffered considerably. This has proven to me that the 3 chev rank is the best for killing WBs and getting good rares, because I am strong enough to solo them at that rank but low enough to get awesome drops.
It may be coincidence but I doubt it :) Hope that helps you spies out there.
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