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The latest Neocronicle mentioned Tsunami working with Diamond to help Diamond move in on the PP Realestate business. I'm really hoping that means some improvements in PP. Many on Pluto have probably seen my clanmates hanging out in plaza 3, we have our own spot which we affectionatly call Pimp Alley. It has easy access to nearly anything we might need, aswell as being a safezone so we can go afk. We decided that since we're going to be forced out of Plaza, we should probably find a place in Pepper Park to hang out. We found a disturbing lack of locations. Interesting places like the interior of clubs have no gogos or city terms, though they have guards for help. So we had to look for places out on the street itself, rarely did we see terminals and gogos placed near each other. The shop resources available just in plaza3 are spread accross all three pepper park zones, so no easy access there. Furthermore since its not a safezone we would hafta be on alert all the time for our enemies who will come after us once they figure out where we stay. Pretty unfair that they can hide in safezones and we can't. The only safezone we could have used is the Pepper Park Subway.... but again no gogos or terminals and pretty much only yos is there. I seriously hope this is going to be fixed, if we are expected to live in an area then it shouldn't be so annoying to do so. Otherwise I guess we'll just hafta leave NC all together and hang out in DOY.
Now speaking of the Pepper Park Subway, I was alarmed to hear from Duder that Jupiter's Pepper Park Subway has two gogos and a terminal ! wtf is this favoritism? I can understand why Phoenix had their apt modified, I'm totaly for things like that. So what is Tsunami doing on Jupiter? And why is it in the Subway? Seriously the absence of gogo/term is all thats keeping us from moving there. How about a lil loving for Pluto !
We also desperately need better attractions in Pepper Park. These zones are supposed to be about having fun, spending all your heard earned money for some enjoyment. The strip clubs are cheesy, with 150nc peep shows which show nothing different then whats behind a glass window at other clubs. We need gambling, we need casinos! Have minigames available to play in arcades, let us take part in a NEocron Lottery. There are so many things that could be done with this. All you bored runners could slip on down to Pepper Park and have a little fun. This is what Tsunami is about!
We need a complete renovation of the entertainment clubs, and maybe even radiostreams.....think about it...
Plus....give us the damm citycoms and gogu at PepperPark Subway Station !!! :mad:
Whiety Bulger
21-08-03, 00:32
clubs need more porpuse they should add gamblen like they originally where going to do.
KramerTheWeird
21-08-03, 00:33
I was talking to our faction counselor and brought up something like this to her. I hope she gets back to us, but basically I think if copbots will begin kos'ing us at plaza/VR then we'll have no real safe place to come to outside of a clan apartment or leaving the city entirely. As far as the story can tell us Pepper Park has been and always will be Tsunami Syndicate's home, so if our home is anarchy zone like TG or FA, than we it'd be nice if we could get a special GM modified club or clan apt to provide even a remotely safe (doesn't have to be safe zone) area with gogos, citycoms and even a GR nearby. Carinth and Duder, I think we should send mails to Callash or Snowcrash about this and try to have him hear us out, as I doubt they'd reply on community english.
What's wrong with Tsunami HQ? Probably better just to get that area done up instead of being forced to live in the subway.
Heavyporker
21-08-03, 01:09
Hm... Agreed... At the very least, a few terminals at a long table would be needed in the Tsunami HQ...
But hey, Pepper Park supposed to be really risky to stand around in...
If its hard to get things in Pepper park... well.. start a black market then, eh?
There's that market area in Outzone... you know, like a huge abandoned mall... That would be Tsunami's answer to Plaza Four (FUCK plaza one, its boring and too much spam, I say move all in-city legal tradeskilling to plaza four). Put in a few working terminals in that mall, though, so it's actually sort of usable.
There's also the Yo's complex off the end of the subway in near the Gate, if you know what I mean...
Pepper Park SHOULDN'T be as generously functional as a plaza or via rosso zone - it's a dumped on area, remember? Vandals and all that jazz means things are more run-down in pepper park (NOT as run down as outzone, though)
If you need services in Pepper park, then set them up dammit.
Yes.. despite being hostile to you all, and so wouldn't be able to benefit from all the new stuff, I would love to see more of this kinda thing.
However - this fits into the RP catogery - which somehow means that it's hopeless.
*sigh*
Eddie
/Just venting my fustration at the lack of any developments lately.
I found this in my error log.....:eek:
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Tsunami HQ would be nice except, once again no gogos or terminals.
Theres a difference between being run down and being habitable. If they place is so rundown that people aren't supposed to hang out there then why do factions have their home in places like this? I seriously doubt Crahn would just sigh and stand around in oz. They'd work and build themselves what they need. Pepper Park isn't exactly rundown, it's a thriving part of town, just not entirely under CA control. Each faction should be capable of providing the needed resources for its members to live happily in their area. At the very least gogo/terminal access is a must.
Heavyporker
21-08-03, 01:30
Hmm... yeah... but as I see it... the terminals were provided by CA, courtsey of TT, and the terminals are almost all placed near copbot locations...
If Tsunami and Crahnhad a couple in its HQ, it most likely would be bootlegand rundown, like the terminals in the Outzone apts... hey, even a few would be broken! (to see what I mean by broken terminals, explore the lands - I am sure you will see fine examples of malfunctioning emplaced internet access terminals)
Now thats a mood setter - a few broken terminals placed here and there in pepper park, and more in OZ in what formerly would be considered "safe" places (like the streetworks GR... put up a few broken terminals and one working one by it... perfect ambiance!)
Yeah.... it would look so cool...
Nah there's a terminal and a gogo in TG, there should be one in every HQ, and every HQ should be a place you can stay. If there were citycoms and gogos in the HQs, as well as cabs that only faction members can access, and if there were no safezones, we might see a whole tradeskill chain in a HQ, with recyclers collecting junk from runners and making chems, passing them on to constructors who used them to make parts to build guns and turrets. But it seems everyone is set on sitting in p1 to tradeskill.
Maybe make faction HQs give a bonus to tradeskills/combat skills for that faction only. As there would be lab equipment in a faction HQ that only faction memebers would be allowed to use. Also runners defending their base against attack would fight harder than if they were just in the wastelands somewhere.
Oh yeah and the gogus an terms in the HQs. They are definitely needed. You could give newbs money for running out to the shops and buying you a load of chems. Like the delivery missions in citycomm just more dynamic. :D
Heavyporker
21-08-03, 01:49
Uhh... unlikely that people would really ever tradeskill in HQs...
I mean, TG Canyon isn't really a "headquarter" as a camp for TGs, like TH isn't the FA HQ itself even though it does contain it...
Now, I think that there's a problem - the TGs and the CMs don't have proper HQ offices -
I saw those doors that don't work in TG Canyon - the TG HQ offices should be put there (and fixed!)... and the MB Level 2 looks to be shaping up pretty nice - Maybe the devs could clean up a small room down there, put in some desks and a few old, haggard, lamed warriors that still fights the good fight for their faction, and tries to make sure it runs istelf okay...
Back ontopic - Yeah, ALL, and I mean ALL HQs should have terminals inside them, and in realistic places...
FA HQ and TT HQ has those terminals right next to the office workers - GOOD!
CA has the Job Centers inside the CA HQ - GOOD!
NExT has a terminal inside the HQ, excellent.
Diamond might as well... I don't know about ProtoPharma...
Crahn, Black Dragon, Tsunami have no terminal facilities inside the HQs... I think that only TT has gogos inside its HQ... bad KK!
In Neocron, safe access to information is almost as important as the information itself, and seeing as the HQs have their guards inside, it would only make sense that a few terminals and gogos would exist inside them as well...
It would be cool
TG -is- the HQ though. At one point on Saturn we did have people tradeskilling there but then they all went back to plaza because plaza is where everyone goes for tradeskillers. We need tradeskill bonuses in HQs, and combat bonuses to defend them.
The problem with having people tradeskilling in the faction HQs is that there would be less social interaction in places like Plaza one. There are quite a few people just playing the game for the social side of it. Just hanging round in plaza chatting to mates. The faction HQs changes would be ok if there was a higher palyercount and if all the factions were (almost) evenly spread out.
Also I would love to have arcade machines in pepper park and amusements and gambling.... that sort of thing would rule.
Heavyporker
21-08-03, 02:01
Well... I don't think casinos will exist anytime soon in Pepper Park (read Neocronian History for info)...
but guess what? I say let's have NPCs that engage in illegal games of chance in areas far away from the copbots... in things like "find the shell", a hand of poker, or maybe a round of dicing...
I mean, I even found NPC bureaucrats in CA HQ selling me whiteflash and such! (well, that was a bit ago, when I was a noob and actually talked to NPCs, :lol: )
It could easily be done. Maybe a few of those drug sellers in the Tsunami HQ and in the clubs, that would work. Then those hustlers in the clubs as well... that would bring life into the clubs, I think.
Even just a simple gambling game to start us off would be a huge step -- cards, some futuristic game, whatever -- anything that 2 (or more) people can sit down to, and have fun losing money to eachother.
Poker anyone? :D
nonamebrandeggs
21-08-03, 02:12
Originally posted by Zokk
Even just a simple gambling game to start us off would be a huge step -- cards, some futuristic game, whatever -- anything that 2 (or more) people can sit down to, and have fun losing money to eachother.
Poker anyone? :D
Maybe do it Final Fantasy style and make mob-droppable cards.
Also just my little idea for Pepper: VENDING MACHINES! But they would be player run. In "Animal Crossing" you can put an item in this little tree-stump d00d, and tell him the price to sell it for, then anyone else can go talk to him and buy your stuff. Couldn't be that hard to script. And limit 1 Vending Machine per person, and make them extremely expensive, like > 1 Mil. It couldn't be that hard to code in ^_^.
as i said in another thread all subway stations on jupiter have been redecorated to include gogus terminals benches and even some plants.
this "should" be making its way around all other servers shortly
nonamebrandeggs
21-08-03, 02:24
Originally posted by hinch
as i said in another thread all subway stations on jupiter have been redecorated to include gogus terminals benches and even some plants.
this "should" be making its way around all other servers shortly
Didn't something happen in the NC bank a little ways back on Uranus or Jupiter too?
uranus i believe they staged a bank robbery or something
although jupi got the redo first there has been a grand total of 6 events since november on there
you tell it like it is car, PP is just no good for a hang out atm... would be nice to see a little overhall
viralghost
21-08-03, 02:54
I love and want everythin u guys been sayin, but I herd a few ppl say no Citycom in Tsunami HQ.....
Look harder, there maybe only one in there but its definitly there.
Heavyporker
21-08-03, 02:56
Seriously?! Maybe you mean that one of the "contacts" or whatever has a player-usable terminal at his table?
viralghost
21-08-03, 02:59
Yeah there is one at a table , I'm pretty sure its still there cos when i started doin research i did ma newb misions with it cos all i had to do most of the time was go to the term get mission and usually the 2 ppl i needed to talk to were in the same room so i lvled my int up pretty fast. I will go check tho.
viralghost
21-08-03, 03:07
Just checked to make sure and yes there is a terminal in ts hq its just a shame there r no gogo's there too
You know all anti city factions don't have safe zones.
yah and soon all anti city wont be able to enter plaza or via at all so safezones in pro city faction hq's wont really matter.
Forget My Name
21-08-03, 03:51
Neocron has soo much potential for Roleplaying ( how many times have you heard this? ) but KK doesn't give us teh content which will allow us to maximis this game's RP potential.
Also, about that stint of TS not being able to have Casinos, please. Neocron history is soo wack it's not funny. If CA really did wipe out casinos, why does it say under every TS description that we run Casinos and prostitution? Everywhere it sys TS runs Casinos. None of in-game history does it say under TS that TS has no more casinos.
PIMP has teh potential to blow Pluto apart and bring some fun. KK, please give us some tools to do so.
1) We need our "PIMP ALLEY" to be in Pepper Park with a safe zone OR gaurds.
2) This cannot be Faction related honestly. We don't mind if faction enemies use our facilities, but being inside an HQ would mean that ProtoPharm cannot come to gamble. Sure we may be faction enemies, but if YOUR enemy is willing to drop phat money in your lap, then why not?
PIMPS ALL THE WAY BABAY!!!!
whats wrong with pp3? is has a GR, GoGo and citycoms relatively close together, it has weapon shop, simple armor, vehical shop, a crytons and yakarmas..
Forget My Name
21-08-03, 05:18
It isn't a safe zone, or have gaurds. We need a safe zone to conduct our business, otherwise every idiot non-rp clan will come in and use pp3 as their new shooting gallery, all teh while we can go to plaza 1 to exact revenge.
Heavyporker
21-08-03, 05:27
Forget, whaddya got against my idea of games hustlers? Yeah, Tsunami DID once run casinos, but not anymore, so they have to go covert with their games to escape CA oversight.
Besides, that would mean more zones to design and implement... so much less likely KK will do that.
Much easier to do NPCs.
In one of the NEMA's they give a short history about TS/CA. We used to run casinos/arcades in addition to our current establishments. Then CA cracked down and outlawed all our businesses. They started movin into PP to reposses any illegal stores. Rather then let the CA take over their facilities, most of the casinos/arcade owners burned their places down. CA withdrew and settled on just patroling the area to make sure the other businesses didn't reopen. Deprived of their main source of entertainment, the citizens of Neocron rioted and actualy attacked CA HQ. After things calmed back down CA grudingly allowed Tsunami to return to business. TS cleaned up what was left of PP, but sadly wasn't able to rebuild the casinos/arcades.
Thats all fine and good for why we don't have any, but it doesn't mean it has to stay that way. Diamond is looking to move into the realestate business here in Pepper Park, more capital means we can open new businesses. Bring back the casinos/arcades !!!!!
Heavyporker
21-08-03, 05:39
Bahhh... No one likes my street hustler ideas... Waaah.
Well, for starters, what would the arcade games be, eh?
Another, how would the casinos work?
We're talking about MASSIVE, simply MASSIVE amounts of coding and level design, here.
well
since we've "heard" that CA is gonna pull out of Pepper Park wehn teh DoY war gets hot, there would be no reason TS/DRE couldnt start up a "front" like in the maze/shooting range etc. for runners to gamle etc in. RP speakin-wise.
tschuss,
Lord Mansion
21-08-03, 12:16
It would be nice if a person from the KK development team could specify what is possible with the Neocron engine so people know they are not asking for the impossible.
Though I am sure, adding some Goguardians and Citycoms would take no real effort at all?
Originally posted by Carinth
Interesting places like the interior of clubs have no gogos or city terms, though they have guards for help. So we had to look for places out on the street itself, rarely did we see terminals and gogos placed near each other.
What about PP3 near the Ind A border? There's a gog in the A+W, a couple of city terms on the wall opposite it, and there's even a GR within spitting distance by the Stock-X place.
Shock.
Lord Mansion
21-08-03, 13:02
Originally posted by Shockwave
What about PP3 near the Ind A border? There's a gog in the A+W, a couple of city terms on the wall opposite it, and there's even a GR within spitting distance by the Stock-X place.
Shock.
A safe area is required because any attempt at roleplaying would be disturbed by the "I want to kill everything" crowd.
If people had respect for the gaming style of other players, this would not have been a requirement...
Originally posted by Lord Mansion
A safe area is required because any attempt at roleplaying would be disturbed by the "I want to kill everything" crowd.
If people had respect for the gaming style of other players, this would not have been a requirement...
Oh, I'm well aware of that. It'll be a complete fragfest for all the people who still think they're playing Quake. But if Tsunami are going to be banned from the Plaza and Via Rosso sectors by the CopBots, what choice do they have?
Then again, if TS are getting friendlier with DRE (See NeoChronicle 8/3), could there be moves afoot to "ligitimise" TS in CA's eyes, therefore giving them access to those sectors? They're already practically a Pro-City faction as it is.
Shock.
Lord Mansion
21-08-03, 13:17
Originally posted by Shockwave
Then again, if TS are getting friendlier with DRE (See NeoChronicle 8/3), could there be moves afoot to "ligitimise" TS in CA's eyes, therefore giving them access to those sectors? They're already practically a Pro-City faction as it is.
Shock.
Tsunami is anti-CityAdmin but certainly not anti-city, why people view Tsunami as anti-city is something I do not understand. But at any point, if we are to move our "spot" from Plaza 3 we need a good replacement with the same kind of safety and the same kind of facilities currently available to us. (which does not exist to my knowledge).
I would love to have a building which only faction members have access to.
all good ideas Carinth.I would really like to see KK spend some time on this... why not give each faction a week of your time?
Speak to the members, tell them whats possible and then DO IT!
After Tsunami move on to some other faction(that does have members TG/Tangent/CA)...
greendonkeyuk
21-08-03, 13:52
Heavyporker,
i like your ideas..... dice in the alley... very smart... id love somethin like that.
To the ladies and gents of P.i.m.p.... Wouldnt the club (veronique) be a better place for your hq..... they have guards inside dont they? i mean a gogu upstairs and with a gr right across the road from you... it looks like a perfect idea to me. It would be a little like carlitos way, the club as the office...... Carinth Brigante.... :lol:
"Eh carlito im benny blanco from the black dragons! POW!!"
But i digress...
YEAH I LOVE THIS IDEA. The whole thread needs 5 stars. Casinos would be a welcome addition.... one at least, it would need to be tucked away somewhere though, out of the prying eyes of ca. Think 1920s america... prohibition, bootlegging, speakeasies..... think "fronts" to stores... Bump asylum perhaps? or a secret door behind the snack shop? maybe even yo could get in on the action......
Pepper park is a smart place to roleplay but you would get gungho idiots ruining it which is a problem. Faction guards, proper ones, that attack enemies on sight and dont stand there for a few mins and talk to em would be good too. Any neutral faction should be allowed to come and go as they please but faction enemies shouldnt be allowed anywhere near your "turf".
As for protopharma.... theyre allied to bd arent they.... so they can stay over on their side of pepper park.
Originally posted by Det0x
whats wrong with pp3? is has a GR, GoGo and citycoms relatively close together, it has weapon shop, simple armor, vehical shop, a crytons and yakarmas..
Oh theres nothing wrong with that....except that city clans can raid the place, and retreat back to plaza were they are SAFE. Whats the next suggestion....stay in clan apt? :rolleyes:
Also the guards dont do anything except stare at you.
The clubs suck, its only red, the clubs do not look any good at all, no descent chill zone, no gogus, no citycoms, no offices, crappy music and all those "HEY I R BORED, LETS GO RAID THE CLUBS LOL" people will rush about. Might be fun the first 2 times, after that it will just get pissy. And can you attack back? No, they can hide in their Plaza sectors, and stay AFK without the fear of being attacked....ever.
What the GMs can at least do is make the same adjustments down in the subway stations as the Jupiter server, for all the servers....it would probably take a few months before they do that.....
Also....Pimp juice.
Here. (http://www.nme.com/news/105934.htm)
I think all the HQs should have gogos and GRs (that are faction restricted inside.
I dont think they should be made safe zones it should be up to guards and runners to protect there HQ.
This would disperse the population from PP1 a bit.
Also beefing up the guards by say 10% would be enough too make lone PKers have little or no chance of success but organised attackes by enemy factions could create queit a mess.
The updating of the Faction HQs could be done with the DOY install, nothing radical, just a few extra facilities and slightly beefed up security.
No faction should have a safezone as a base, but I include the city factions in that. I think all that is needed is a gogo and cityterm in Tsunami HQ and more guards. Just like a guard in each room of MB and a second one in the GR room would probably stop all the raids completely. A TG guard next to the top level apartments in the canyon would help us fight back against TG raids too. As long as all the blind spots are covered guards do a good job. But the way to go is to not have a safezone, and then in the future remove the safezones in plaza and VR (we're KoS to CopBots anyway, it's not like we're gonna find it easy to make a raid, and there's always going to be high level city factioned runners around using the tradeskillers (assuming they're there, I think faction HQs should get tradeskill bonus and tradeskillers should be in places like that or in shops/clinics). Making Tsunami HQ a safezone is a step in the wrong direction.
...So in other words, you can raid the HQ, while anyone anti-CA cant raid Plaza. WOW SOUNDS INCREDIBLY FUN !!!! I love being raided every 20 seconds !!!! While CA, TT can just sit and relax, assured that no one will survive the 30 billion copbots outside !!!
No one, and i mean no one Pro-CA faction is going to stand around in a Faction HQ, when they have Plaza and Via Rosso.
I dont want another shitty gank zone like PP1, i want an alternative area were people can stay afk, chill out, etc etc...a place to BREATHE.
Seems everyone just wants a fucking gank zone.
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