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gizmojack
06-08-03, 18:35
My spy has 50 points left to spend in resist.

I was thinking of energy, since its a common type of damage.

Together with the energy belt i wear that gives+70.

according to croncom.com my final energy resist should be 115.

Any opinions/advice?

SorkZmok
06-08-03, 18:50
According to your Sig, youre a Droner Spy, so i wouldnt bother with my resist setup...

Go for Health, Atheltics and maybe some Stamina so you can run to your Hiding spot and launch your drones.

Cause a spy in close combat is dead anyway ;)

Mumblyfish
06-08-03, 19:14
Originally posted by SorkZmok
Cause a spy in close combat is dead anyway ;)
May I direct your attention to the boatload of spies with good resists? Thank you.

alig
06-08-03, 19:37
good for a spy, not good resists:rolleyes:

\\Fényx//
06-08-03, 19:41
Originally posted by alig
good for a spy, not good resists:rolleyes:

me and serve on the test server got a Spy's direct damage from a CS with his own buffs down to about 35... this was with around 350 health on him aswell, more with a resist booster but this was with a spy's own buffs...

gizmojack
06-08-03, 20:03
I got 20 secs of stealth so i can afford to gimp my spd a bit.

With 50+ Ath and Agl now I dun seem to have problems relocating or running away from enemies. I figure more resist in energy, will help me survive for 1 or 2 more shots from someone who does find me. Giving me the extra few secs I need to drop my drone and stealth.

What do u think?

Ryuben
06-08-03, 20:03
Originally posted by \\Fényx//
me and serve on the test server got a Spy's direct damage from a CS with his own buffs down to about 35... this was with around 350 health on him aswell, more with a resist booster but this was with a spy's own buffs...

Now to me thats just wrong a spy shouldn't take less damage from a CS then a tank (self buffed)

/me walks off looking for his main point and contribution to this thread

alig
06-08-03, 20:17
Originally posted by \\Fényx//
me and serve on the test server got a Spy's direct damage from a CS with his own buffs down to about 35... this was with around 350 health on him aswell, more with a resist booster but this was with a spy's own buffs...

yeah but....all these 'fantasy stories' about ub3r ppl on test server laffin at the other end of a cs and a tank never seem to cum up on the 'retail' servers and laff at a tank and a cs the same way, they normally run.

(ive yet to see _anyone_, _any class_ take less than 50dmg of a cs, unless ur a ppu but they dont count)

/edit....DRUGS do not count.

Arcadius
06-08-03, 20:22
Originally posted by alig
yeah but....all these 'fantasy stories' about ub3r ppl on test server laffin at the other end of a cs and a tank never seem to cum up on the 'retail' servers and laff at a tank and a cs the same way, they normally run.




EXACTLY!

I haven't found ONE spy yet with any of these "omg CS TICKLES ME WITH MY NEW SETUP" .

:rolleyes:

\\Fényx//
06-08-03, 20:32
Originally posted by Arcadius
EXACTLY!

I haven't found ONE spy yet with any of these "omg CS TICKLES ME WITH MY NEW SETUP" .

:rolleyes:


uhh when that JetSam guy turned up on pluto.... it uh... kinda took most of TA to take his ass down :rolleyes: bloody good resists, must have only had self buffs as he was the last man standing and had either stealth 3 or oblit plus he was a bloody fast runner... also look at MrLOL... FYI when he's about he's like the god of spy's 8|

Sokaris
06-08-03, 20:33
lol it doesn't exist cause in the real server you always need a point to go here and there and lower the resists where on the test server you boost the shit out of resist cause you don't need it anywhere else cause you only want to say hit me with a CS watch my ub3r l337 skillzzzzzzzzzzzz......

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Mumblyfish
06-08-03, 20:35
Those "OMG CS R NUT ARFEKKTING MEE!!" stories are lies. They don't exist on test servers.

What I'M talking about are spies who can take about 6 bursts of CS fire. Which is good given their 40 CON.

alig
06-08-03, 20:35
Originally posted by Sokaris
[ edited for violation of the forum rules ]

......k...... :rolleyes:

alig
06-08-03, 20:37
Originally posted by Mumblyfish
Those "OMG CS R NUT ARFEKKTING MEE!!" stories are lies. They don't exist on test servers.

What I'M talking about are spies who can take about 6 bursts of CS fire. Which is good given their 40 CON.

Thats more like reality, 35 dmg each 4 with 350hp makes it 2 FULL clips of a CS....o_O still 6 bursts of a cs seems kinda high but alot more realistic:)

\\Fényx//
06-08-03, 20:39
Originally posted by Sokaris
lol it doesn't exist cause in the real server you always need a point to go here and there and lower the resists where on the test server you boost the shit out of resist cause you don't need it anywhere else cause you only want to say hit me with a CS watch my ub3r l337 skillzzzzzzzzzzzz......

uh we were testing realistic setups man... get your head out your ass and notice that were not all fucking newbs yea ? This was not us testing 'setups' for retail, we were testing to see if that flip thing existed, then Lupus started doing it full time so we gave up.

I dont need to justify my actions or findings to you...



Originally posted by Sokaris
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Bannable offence no ? :wtf:

Arcadius
06-08-03, 20:40
Originally posted by \\Fényx//
uhh when that JetSam guy turned up on pluto.... it uh... kinda took most of TA to take his ass down :rolleyes: bloody good resists, must have only had self buffs as he was the last man standing and had either stealth 3 or oblit plus he was a bloody fast runner... also look at MrLOL... FYI when he's about he's like the god of spy's 8|


Jetsam exploited genius. :rolleyes:


Funny how nearly everyone names the same person (jetsam). All I can say is Maximilian Twilight part two. :rolleyes:


I've seen alot of pes with great resist setups, tanks too. How come I never see alot or even a "few" spies with those 1337 setups? Oh lemme guess, because you're supersmart and so 1337 that only YOU figured it out.


please.

Ehyuko
06-08-03, 20:46
I've found a good resist setup combined with stealth will greatly improve your life span as a droner, this will effect everything from someone finding you while droning, giving you a bit more time to drop the drone and stealth away to handling the odd mob spawning on your body. Extra endurance/athletics is mostly wasted if you can stealth and if you can't there's not much point as you won't be outrunning anyone and shaving a few seconds off your prep time is not very important when it takes 5-30 seconds to fly your drone to a target.

Most tanks I've run into have crappy resist setups, likely due to having a boatload of con points and just tossing them wherever, on the other hand I've fought several well setup tanks that are very hard to damage so planning and then tweaking a resist setup for any class is definately worth it.

Arcadius
06-08-03, 20:49
Originally posted by Ehyuko
I've found a good resist setup combined with stealth will greatly improve your life span as a droner, this will effect everything from someone finding you while droning, giving you a bit more time to drop the drone and stealth away to handling the odd mob spawning on your body. Extra endurance/athletics is mostly wasted if you can stealth and if you can't there's not much point as you won't be outrunning anyone and shaving a few seconds off your prep time is not very important when it takes 5-30 seconds to fly your drone to a target.




I thought( this is what i heard from other droners ) that having stealth gimps the droner. I don't know if that's true or not, is it?

\\Fényx//
06-08-03, 20:51
Originally posted by Arcadius
I thought( this is what i heard from other droners ) that having stealth gimps the droner. I don't know if that's true or not, is it?

Probably wont cap a PN or even a PB20 without a buff

Arcadius
06-08-03, 20:51
I'm a droner n00b, what skill under dex is required for dorning?

\\Fényx//
06-08-03, 21:00
Originally posted by Arcadius
I'm a droner n00b, what skill under dex is required for dorning?

remote control under DEX, need approx 150+ in this to be of any use at all, still wont hurt anything with atleast blessed buffage, ontop of that you need willpower under INT, this affects how far your drone can go from your meatstack aswell as your controll on the drone, plus a little damage...

Ehyuko
06-08-03, 21:00
For the amount of TC it requires it does gimp a droner. However there are 2 main factors which made me choose stealth over more damage:

25 points in remote [125 actual points] translates to MAYBE an additional 12-30 points of damage per burst, not shot, from a nemesis on a mob or 4-10 more damage a burst on a runner.

Droners have zero combat ability until they are hidden and launched, so thus they are basicly walking targets while the drone is in their hand and standing targets while the drone is in the air. Stealth allows them to bypass enemies/mobs to get to a droning location/grounded drone or to run away.

So basicly stealth allows the droner to live longer [or at all], which more them compensates for the minor damage increase. Stealth plus a good resist setup allows a droner to escape sometimes when attacked rather then not at all.

Edit: I've never heard of a PN being capped outside of an artifact [120%] one built from rares, that needed 150 remote and 150 will, if I remember correctly. I will never use those because of how easily drones are lost due to bugs or combat, and the 80% quality ones I have NEVER heard of being capped.

Edit again: I have far more then that in remote and slightly less then that in willpower, I get aproximately 111% damage on my PN, the droner imps that gave me and aditional +20 remote/+20 willpower [aproximately, can't remember exact values] over my old setup increased my damage % by 7-8%, so you can see about 25 more points in remote is not really worth much.

Sokaris
06-08-03, 21:02
man relax.. i'm just kidding.. i never meant to offend.. as with most people that know me I never do.. i just kid around.

i have no idea whether the tests are true or not.. just wondering if they were how did you get to them .. only people saying you got it to work... how strong was the tank. how was he setup for the gun that kind of thing.

it's tough to resist for a spy.. and a skill in itself.

banable offense.. man that is just so lame... haven't you ever heard a joke about someone e-mailing a cd - key.. :p

Nixon
06-08-03, 21:13
Atleast eggs and kurai seem to have very nice resist setups on their spies.

Don't really know any other good spy on pluto but JetSam, but enough about him, as he did not play clean..

ChronicCrypt
06-08-03, 22:40
Originally posted by \\Fényx//
uhh when that JetSam guy turned up on pluto.... it uh... kinda took most of TA to take his ass down :rolleyes: bloody good resists, must have only had self buffs as he was the last man standing and had either stealth 3 or oblit plus he was a bloody fast runner... also look at MrLOL... FYI when he's about he's like the god of spy's 8|


ummm jetsam was overcapped by a gamemaster.... thats why he was so good... and he was banned

PaulVinten
06-08-03, 23:06
Originally posted by SorkZmok
According to your Sig, youre a Droner Spy, so i wouldnt bother with my resist setup...

Go for Health, Atheltics and maybe some Stamina so you can run to your Hiding spot and launch your drones.

Cause a spy in close combat is dead anyway ;)

not really. I can take 3-4 bursts from an x-ray CS. Gotta love the Heavy energy belt and X-ray suit :)

kurai
06-08-03, 23:26
Even with a great resist setup a Spy still has a hard time going toe to toe with Tankehs unless he gets the drop on him (well ... duh)

If you insist on close quarters combat then with a good setup you can survive 15 seconds, as opposed to 1.5 seconds ... good enough to get in some serious damage, then stealth away before you drop :D

It's more about living long enough to escape to safety, recover and come back for another go.

\\Fényx//
07-08-03, 00:23
Originally posted by kurai
Even with a great resist setup a Spy still has a hard time going toe to toe with Tankehs unless he gets the drop on him (well ... duh)

If you insist on close quarters combat then with a good setup you can survive 15 seconds, as opposed to 1.5 seconds ... good enough to get in some serious damage, then stealth away before you drop :D

It's more about living long enough to escape to safety, recover and come back for another go.


yea but kurai you were buffed by vampire222 with holy spells and still went down in a clip to a TT laser :p

Ryuben
07-08-03, 00:48
Originally posted by \\Fényx//
yea but kurai you were buffed by vampire222 with holy spells and still went down in a clip to a TT laser :p


keep bragging in game fenix :rolleyes:

kurai
07-08-03, 07:06
Originally posted by \\Fényx//
yea but kurai you were buffed by vampire222 with holy spells and still went down in a clip to a TT laser :p Nope - just my own ph33rsome PSI cap 20 spells.
(i.e no shelter) :D

Voodoochicken
07-08-03, 17:37
Anyways.. I'm not an expert, but:

Energy is a common dmg type from tanks and monks, so extra energy resist would be useful against unmodded CSes, etc.

However, you really need resists in X-ray and fire, because they are the most used ammo mods on energy weapons + guaranteed on ballistic weapon (which won't do ANY energy damage either).

ie. You can have loads of energy resist, but a fire modded energy weapon will still destroy you.


Balanced resists or specialised?

I don't know...


What I do know is that spending points in resists is better than just trying to get loads of health and athletics, even if it's only 14 or 32 points in each resist (that you feel is important).

Clownst0pper
07-08-03, 17:46
I dont want to brag, but as far as "High LVL, PVP spys go" on saturn, I think I can name all of 3 Myself (kaolin) andy constable and Thefirefly.

Now, all three (as of now) have the same setup, and I have to admit, I can take down alot of tanks, Not all but alot, even if I have to come back for a second helping.

With a spy you have to work with your armour. For example..I have nothing in Xray spec, thats because I have the xray armour (makes sense) So I spec in fire instead..Its just general intelligance.

I wont tell you my spec, but I love it..And until DOY brings me more piercing resist ill try and avoid Pain easers..

Kaolin/Ikari

Nexxy
07-08-03, 17:59
silly spys, spy setup off the top of my dumbass tank head -

|/| N A T U R A L S |\|

Ath - 55
Health - 50
End - 0
Fire - 50
Xray - 50
Poison - 0

|\| I M P T H I N G I E S |/| (there are only ones that effect con)

EXP Heart 1
All the normal bone thingies

|/| A R M O U R C R A P |\|

INQ 1 helmet
INQ 1 trousers
Light INQ boots
Heavy NRG protection belt
Flashy radiation thingie PA


ohohoho and jetsam wasnt banned...

Arcadius
07-08-03, 19:48
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
I dont want to brag, but as far as "High LVL, PVP spys go" on saturn, I think I can name all of 3 Myself (kaolin) andy constable and Thefirefly.



lmao yea right. You're the same person saying it was impossible to kill a monk.

Cyphor
07-08-03, 20:16
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
I dont want to brag, but as far as "High LVL, PVP spys go" on saturn, I think I can name all of 3 Myself (kaolin) andy constable and Thefirefly.

what about divide? and isnt MrLoL back? i saw him on the new dawn clan list so he must have came back at some point to change faction?

I would put them two down as the two best spies on saturn.

Ehyuko
07-08-03, 21:02
silly spys, spy setup

Sure you don't want to delete the "spys," and just go with a silly spy setup? o_O

Cryotchekk
07-08-03, 21:34
35 natural energy resist
25 natural x ray resist
heavy energy protection belt
xray suit
psi pants 1
psi boots 1



woot.


before my good pc died i could take about 5-6 cs shots from good tanks with only like 230hp :/

and er...alig, some people do take less than 20 damage from a cs, and thats not just ppu's and hybrids.

REMUS
07-08-03, 22:13
Originally posted by \\Fényx//
uhh when that JetSam guy turned up on pluto.... it uh... kinda took most of TA to take his ass down :rolleyes: bloody good resists, must have only had self buffs as he was the last man standing and had either stealth 3 or oblit plus he was a bloody fast runner... also look at MrLOL... FYI when he's about he's like the god of spy's 8|

i cant see how a spy could take 35 dam unless they had low health, or they infact had 35 total hp........

as everyone knows and a cpl of people have stated jetsam was not an "ordinary" spy, so im not sure what you are talking about fenyx, you for instance still take 80+ dam off a cs with full health and tank buffs, so you cant of gotten resists perfected? i can take 70+ off a x heated cs and 85+ off a x-ray cs and im quite happy with that with only 94 con, i know i have way to much natural fire resist but its to painful to lom away con xp >_<

Clownst0pper
08-08-03, 16:30
lmao yea right. You're the same person saying it was impossible to kill a monk.

My brothers thread, Not my own. Thankyou :mad:

Id like to think im more constructive than his stupid threads (using my account)

hinch
08-08-03, 16:41
Originally posted by Arcadius
EXACTLY!

I haven't found ONE spy yet with any of these "omg CS TICKLES ME WITH MY NEW SETUP" .

:rolleyes:

LEFF on jupiter used to have a setup like that i emptied my mana pool on him with my arti HL and he still had 60 hp left
i tried with FA then and still he was alive

quite shocking and fuck knows how he did it

greendonkeyuk
08-08-03, 17:57
Originally posted by Nexxy
silly spys, spy setup off the top of my dumbass tank head -
|/| A R M O U R C R A P |\|

INQ 1 helmet
INQ 1 trousers
Light INQ boots


defo dumb tank...... spy cant use inq armour....... :lol:

xray rad suit....... a must.....
fire belt or nrg belt (dependant on your opponents).
psi pants and psi boots are a must for the nrg resist.
battlehelmet 2 or 3 (dependant on imps) for piercing.
All your strength points in resist force ( up to 115) the rest in transport.

body health at least 50 ath at least the same.

endurance...... (use stamina boosters :D ) and save the points for fire/nrg resist.

Go with that to start and then tweak from there.

Phiberdelic
08-08-03, 18:03
why would a spy use PSI armour...that little dinky +2 resists arent going to effect anything.

I've heard of others doing this as well but I just dont understand why...Please explain how using Crahn Shelter Pants 2.0 2.0 2.0 3.0 1.0 is better than Battletrousers3 18.7 23.3 ... now granted you dont get those dinky little 2 & 3 for Fire, ENR, XRR, but what would that really help anyways???

Ehyuko
08-08-03, 18:18
@ Phiberdelic - Makes me wonder how many people posting resist/armour setups for spies actually play one...

Nexxy
08-08-03, 18:21
Originally posted by greendonkeyuk
defo dumb tank...... spy cant use inq armour....... :lol:

xray rad suit....... a must.....
fire belt or nrg belt (dependant on your opponents).
psi pants and psi boots are a must for the nrg resist.
battlehelmet 2 or 3 (dependant on imps) for piercing.
All your strength points in resist force ( up to 115) the rest in transport.

body health at least 50 ath at least the same.

endurance...... (use stamina boosters :D ) and save the points for fire/nrg resist.

Go with that to start and then tweak from there.

My spy can use INQ easily, but then i guess you have to be like a sheep and set yourself up like everyone else.

KRIMINAL99
08-08-03, 19:21
Im just going to share my idea for a Pistol spy setup since they need all the help they can get.
IMPS:
Get a str booster 2 poked and then a Beserk 2. The rest of the slots are for distance weapon chip, Special forces, and either a ballistic 3 or hawkins chip.

CON:

67 atl (+8 from leg)
69 hlth (plus 15 from res boost, 10 from heart, +4 from melee boost)
5 fire resist
33 energy resist

for pvp take one x-strong and throw on
inq 1 helm, pants and light inq boots, xray suit and heavy energy belt.
then take one detrosol forte and shelter yourself.

Then your all set for 5 minutes of pvp, at which point you can stealth away and hide till the drug flash wears off or pop new pills and worry about it later. For max uberness take a Krinak Mushroom as well and you can Dam boost and use parashock lance. If all you want is to be a combat spy it would be good to have some psi use just for these 2 spells so you can use them without having to stand still.

Then laugh as you run circles around silly capped cs tanks and kill them in a few seconds with a capped ROLH while they have trouble hitting you (if your good) or cant kill you b4 you either kill them or stealth away (if you arent so good).

I would love to see the day when there are "NERF TEH SPIES" threads on the forum.

\\Fényx//
08-08-03, 20:12
Originally posted by REMUS
i cant see how a spy could take 35 dam unless they had low health, or they infact had 35 total hp........

as everyone knows and a cpl of people have stated jetsam was not an "ordinary" spy, so im not sure what you are talking about fenyx, you for instance still take 80+ dam off a cs with full health and tank buffs, so you cant of gotten resists perfected? i can take 70+ off a x heated cs and 85+ off a x-ray cs and im quite happy with that with only 94 con, i know i have way to much natural fire resist but its to painful to lom away con xp >_<


uh ive got my damage unbuffed down to about 60 from Xray and Xheat, ask jason, he was the one shooting me with both types...

Arcadius
08-08-03, 22:45
Originally posted by Clownst0pper
My brothers thread, Not my own. Thankyou :mad:

Id like to think im more constructive than his stupid threads (using my account)


roflmao

Soz. :D




Originally posted by hinch
*more amazing stories from jupiter*



k

REMUS
08-08-03, 23:41
Originally posted by \\Fényx//
uh ive got my damage unbuffed down to about 60 from Xray and Xheat, ask jason, he was the one shooting me with both types...

i shot u b4 with my xray and you where takeing 80+ and that was while you where moving o_O ill take a screen shot next time if you dont believe me fen