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Thanatos
01-08-03, 18:05
There will be 2 types of Powerarmor for each class. Sorry no ETA, but the next patches should definately bring more of them.
Also, the current PAs (yes even the monk ones) will have their requirements and stats adjusted a bit.

Please stop bugging Callash about the other PAs, the poor guy has to focus on his storyline/events :)

Ed: Forgot to add, the PE PAs will have smaller benefits than the other PAs, but should still be useful.
And yes, the 4th Tank PA will have lower reqs.

HellHound
01-08-03, 18:08
So definite PE PA's... try saying that three times fast. :p

\\Fényx//
01-08-03, 18:14
PLEASE TELL ME MY TANK GETS A RIFLE/MELEE PA !!!1111oneoneonetwo O_o







ah well... i can hope cant I ?


[Edit] Hey thanny, like my Sig? :p :lol:

Forget My Name
01-08-03, 18:15
Awesome. Fucking awesome!

One thing if you can please pass this to the devs.. make PA look unique to the other levels. This game is sufferering froma s ever problem of numbness. Every avatar looks like everyone else, and now we are all going to don PA and be clones of one another. This game has become UNISEX. There is no male or female anymore.

*ph33r*
01-08-03, 18:18
OMG YES!!!!!!! :D

Pulse wins

\\Fényx//
01-08-03, 18:22
Originally posted by Forget My Name
There is no male or female anymore.

Not like its the end of the world or humanity itself now is it, its only a computergame in a VIRTUAL MAKE BELIEVE WORLD :p some peopl dont understand that at times... O_o


anyway will they be using the same model for each one ?

Spy<VS>Spy
01-08-03, 18:28
okay i suppose, belive me when the monk PA's got put out you can imagine how badly my clans team speak server got clogged with questions and observations.

though the only thought going through my mind was 'wait a damn minute Spy PA has been in devlopement way before psi monk PA and yet we are still stuck with this crudy (really next to useless) radiation suit that doesnt even really work because no spy in their right mind would expose himself to take hits from those super johny 5's.'

yet the monks get theirs before us poor spy's, specificly me as a poor constructor spy, itching to get more weapons lore and rifle combat to further boost the uberness of my ray of god and pain easer...

but enough about me, KK has just delayed them because they want to give spy's gaint mechs right? heh, alright probably not.

I have to say though i like the monk power armor looks, the only thing i can nit pick about is its hard to tell a passive monk suit from an aggressive...maybe want to make a few suttle visual chances to each model aside from just color?

i'm sure we'll all be waiting with bells on. after all, any items that make us look cool and give us a bit more power, is never frowned on by the masses...(psst, besides, any reason to pry some of that uber friggen energy resist off a monk is good enough for me...hehe, patients my first love, soon they shall all convert..)

X Kitty X
01-08-03, 18:38
Oh baby. I am going to disappear for a private moment.

spydre1070
01-08-03, 18:57
the 4th Tank PA will have lower reqs.

w00t

Carinth
01-08-03, 19:02
Spy, its actualy very easy to tell apu from ppu now.

Apu2 - Grey
Apu3 - Blue

Ppu2 - Gold
Ppu3 - Red

I'm not sure was PA1 and PA4 look like, but overall it seems apu is dark and ppu is light.

Spy<VS>Spy
01-08-03, 19:18
yeah but as with tank PA carinth its sometimes not visible at a distance...it doesnt change color untill you get close. and i'd rather not memorize the colors, a simple sleave change or a shorter cloak flap would be much easeir for me to identifie."

Cryotchekk
01-08-03, 19:28
r4wr wit t3h SPY P0W3R 4RM0UR i iz G0NNa g3t MoR3 1337 R4P1ng sKiLLZ! w00t wh4t J00 d01ng n00B?


:D

Rade
01-08-03, 19:30
From the nema with the pics of the monk PA it looked like one would have a skirt thingie and the other wouldnt. A small detail like that would be perfect to separate between the two.

Sokaris
01-08-03, 19:47
My idea i had with the pa's which i think would be awesome is that if you have a PA like the monk PA then you can have the hood off.. so that people can still see the face..

then you can put it up if you feel to do so. Right now I have to run around reading everyones names and sometimes with the server lag you can't
and before you can finish reading who is around you are dead cause they can read yours before you read theres and they are the enemy. At least if we know what people look like we remember to be clear of someone looking a certain way until we can read their faction and clan.

I think being able to have the hood down would be perfect...

Al3X
01-08-03, 19:51
any screenie's on the pe pa?

\\Fényx//
01-08-03, 19:52
Originally posted by Sokaris
My idea i had with the pa's which i think would be awesome is that if you have a PA like the monk PA then you can have the hood off.. so that people can still see the face..

then you can put it up if you feel to do so. Right now I have to run around reading everyones names and sometimes with the server lag you can't
and before you can finish reading who is around you are dead cause they can read yours before you read theres and they are the enemy. At least if we know what people look like we remember to be clear of someone looking a certain way until we can read their faction and clan.

I think being able to have the hood down would be perfect...

rarw !!!

TANK PA WITHOUT THE HELMET SHOWN HERE !
http://www.fgs-clan.de/Nidhulk2.jpg


:lol:

G.0.D.
01-08-03, 19:59
guy plz stop posting that... i cant sleep... im just so scared:(

Al3X
01-08-03, 20:29
yeah... a crossing between satan, the hulk AND ( :eek: ) nid is pure evil :)

Rith
01-08-03, 20:46
Originally posted by Al3X
any screenie's on the pe pa?

mental image: gimp suit with easy access flaps...

alig
01-08-03, 20:54
so....pa4:confused: will that mean u like movin pa4 to str 135 equivilent of psi pa4 (psi 135) and pa3 to str 115 equilvilent of psi pa3(psi 115) and so on!!....maybe we will see more fuckin variation then :rolleyes: u look in pla1....u see pa, pa and more forkin pa and a skinny bloke in the middle shoutin "constr TL175!!" its quite lame....the clothes machines are good for pa, u can get sum nice colours...maybe u should think about makin it work instead of just nerfing the clothes machine for pa!!:D

ServeX
01-08-03, 21:16
Originally posted by alig
so....pa4:confused: will that mean u like movin pa4 to str 135 equivilent of psi pa4 (psi 135) and pa3 to str 115 equilvilent of psi pa3(psi 115) and so on!!....maybe we will see more fuckin variation then :rolleyes: u look in pla1....u see pa, pa and more forkin pa and a skinny bloke in the middle shoutin "constr TL175!!" its quite lame....the clothes machines are good for pa, u can get sum nice colours...maybe u should think about makin it work instead of just nerfing the clothes machine for pa!!:D

respect.

but no, sorry =P

FBI
01-08-03, 21:37
As Forget my name said (but in one word).

Fanfuckingtastic!!

Please...for the love of Crahn/god/bill gates take a look at this
5 star thread when revamping the PA's:

http://neocron.jafc.de/showthread.php?s=&threadid=69937&highlight=visually

It's filled with all kinds of great ideas comming from the people.

Respect.

DivineOne
01-08-03, 21:49
Thantos thank you for your reply, it was very apprecated. Once agaijn thank you for your time and responce

Arcadius
01-08-03, 21:51
Originally posted by Thanatos

And yes, the 4th Tank PA will have lower reqs.


Thanatos I urge you to allow tanks to wear all versions of PA. I used to think PA should be something unique to tanks, since every class will be getting PA I think tanks should be able to access all of their pas, to keep the "unique" aspect.

Callash
01-08-03, 22:53
I cannot reveal the stats yet, but what we had in mind when we wrote them (the new ones that is) was PA1 = for Precap-chars, PA2 = for Cap-chars, PA3 = for imp-donning Cap-chars, PA4 = for drug-abusing-imp-donning Cap-chars :D

QuantumDelta
01-08-03, 23:21
Did nid ever star in any cartoon-based action movies? o_O

\\Fényx//
01-08-03, 23:24
Originally posted by QuantumDelta
Did nid ever star in any cartoon-based action movies? o_O

Toy story as buzz lightyear, small head and big ears, the rest hidden by Buzz's sweet PA :D:lol::D

Erikin
01-08-03, 23:47
benifets for pe pa??? i jsut want it to look cool do that then tell me about bonuses

Arcadius
01-08-03, 23:51
Originally posted by Thanatos
There will be 2 types of Powerarmor for each class.



I forgot to ask, but does that mean monks will get 2 ppu pas and 2 apu pas? Or does it already count as 2 pas for the monks?

\\Fényx//
01-08-03, 23:57
Originally posted by Arcadius
I forgot to ask, but does that mean monks will get 2 ppu pas and 2 apu pas? Or does it already count as 2 pas for the monks?

im guessing it means that thats your 2 types, tanks should get a HC one and Melee one, Spys get Rifle and Pistol ones, PE's get an invisible one and a nonexistant one :) :lol:


[Edit] btw arc, how the hell do you get like 5k posts... it aint like im shy on the forums and never post, yout you got like 3x the ammount as me 8|

Omnituens
02-08-03, 00:49
Originally posted by Thanatos
There will be 2 types of Powerarmor for each class.

i posted this idea quite a while ago

cant find the thread though. and the about the male and female PA.

i'll have another look

ah,here (http://neocron.jafc.de/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52508) it is

REMUS
02-08-03, 02:40
will we be getting a melee suit? str 115 and add's the same as pa2 only with m-c instead of h-c and screws weapon law instead of agiity? I know there is little point becuase you can cap a devils grace very easily let alone a paw of bear, but still it would be nice :)

oh and could we have an axe rare weapon or somthing? a spear maybe? if we got some better melee weapons and some sweet melee armour, i would lom back to it, hell i would even get a cst'er/recyler to make me a fat ass load of anti shock drugs so i wouldnt die at every op war!

and maybe you could have side quests, like the psi cloak suit (although it should be purchaseable froma store) so that people can have specialist suits like tank/private eye rifle/melee/pistol pa. I know its alot of work but variaty is the spice of life :angel:

jernau
02-08-03, 03:43
Originally posted by Callash
I cannot reveal the stats yet, but what we had in mind when we wrote them (the new ones that is) was PA1 = for Precap-chars, PA2 = for Cap-chars, PA3 = for imp-donning Cap-chars, PA4 = for drug-abusing-imp-donning Cap-chars :D

That's how I always thought they should be. Good to see it happening and nice to hear some more hints. Let's hope we actually see them some time soon and not end up having to quote this thread back at you in six months.

@fenyx - I'm hoping spies will be drone-type and ballistic-type.

Vash th3 Flash
02-08-03, 05:39
If the monk PA is anything to go off of, I think that the PE PA will be completely worthless then. Plz KK stop making the PE into the least loved class.

Smugly
02-08-03, 07:09
Hmm, how about a Spy Lab coat type armour? Boosts to Tradeskills and that sort of thing.

Ragnarok
02-08-03, 09:09
Originally posted by \\Fényx//

[Edit] btw arc, how the hell do you get like 5k posts... it aint like im shy on the forums and never post, yout you got like 3x the ammount as me 8|

Most of his posts are the ":rolleyes:" or ":lol:" smiley. :D:p

-Ragnarok

Omnituens
02-08-03, 09:21
Originally posted by Ragnarok
Most of his posts are the ":rolleyes:" or ":lol:" smiley. :D:p

-Ragnarok

:rolleyes:

:D

ragnaroks right though. he quotes and does the :rolleyes: smiley. cought him doing it in my threads a few times. i dont advise doing it though, Nid's always on the lookout.

Arcadius
02-08-03, 09:25
omg, I don't even spam as much as people claim. And since my banning my flamage and spammage has drastically gone down.

Arcadius
02-08-03, 09:26
:rolleyes:

greendonkeyuk
02-08-03, 10:56
Originally posted by Arcadius
:rolleyes:


ooohh hes pushing it isnt he, :lol:

\\Fényx//
02-08-03, 12:05
Originally posted by Ragnarok
Most of his posts are the ":rolleyes:" or ":lol:" smiley. :D:p

-Ragnarok

:rolleyes:

*ph33r*
02-08-03, 14:46
Originally posted by \\Fényx//
:rolleyes:

:lol:

Ryuben
02-08-03, 15:08
Originally posted by *ph33r*
:lol: 8|


mmm spamage

=Chojin=
02-08-03, 15:18
:lol:
oh a bit of topic but when i quote someone it never shows'
"originaly poasted by blah blah"
what am i doing wrong........





Cho

Eledhbrant
02-08-03, 15:35
Originally posted by =Chojin=
:lol:
oh a bit of topic but when i quote someone it never shows'
"originaly poasted by blah blah"
what am i doing wrong........





Cho

:rolleyes:



(Btw Chojin why didnt you die when you lept off crytons yesterday? :p )

=Chojin=
02-08-03, 15:38
Eledhbrant quote: (Btw Chojin why didnt you die when you lept off crytons yesterday? )

because im teh uber:rolleyes:
anyhow explain how i get "originally posted by " in my quotes or ill jump on joo next time!!!


i think ive done it wrong this time ......





Cho

/ed yer ive done it wrong:confused: :mad:

=Chojin=
02-08-03, 15:45
Originally posted by =Chojin=
because im teh uber:rolleyes:
anyhow explain how i get "originally posted by " in my quotes or ill jump on joo next time!!!


i think ive done it wrong this time .......





Cho

/ed yer ive done it wrong:confused: :mad:



ok ive got it ...but how do u quote multiple posts...
Originally posted by Eledhbrant
:rolleyes:



(Btw Chojin why didnt you die when you lept off crytons yesterday? :p )

ahh i think ive got it but ive had 2 copy and paste a shit load of times...there HAS to be an easyer way

can anyone say SPAM:lol:



Cho

Lord Cypher
02-08-03, 21:32
The Spy PA Athletics needs to be changed and the weight. Thats all I'm gonna say :eek:

Spoon
02-08-03, 21:48
Originally posted by Lord Cypher
The Spy PA Athletics needs to be changed and the weight. Thats all I'm gonna say :eek:

Where did you see the specs for them?





What's with all the spam in this thread? Where's the green hammer guy when you need him?....:confused:

Lord Cypher
02-08-03, 22:27
Originally posted by Spoon
Where did you see the specs for them?


For me to know and you to find out :lol:

Arcadius
03-08-03, 04:31
Spy pa has athletics as a bonus or negative?

Lord Cypher
03-08-03, 04:44
Originally posted by Arcadius
Spy pa has athletics as a bonus or negative?

Negative

Spy PA 1 has - 10 Athletics
Spy PA 2 has - 15 Athletics
Spy PA 3 has - 20 Athletics
Spy PA 4 has - 25 Athletics

Maarten
03-08-03, 05:09
Like the Tank PA.

Great.

Tanks have 100 CON so they can spare a few points in ATH and have the Exp Leg Enforcement too.

Spies are hurt somewhat more by this. I hope they give those PA's good positive effects in return.

And I would love to see a female and male type of each PA... :) But get those PA's in the game first, then start working on the small details... :P Just make sure they aren't bugged when you put them in retail... :)

Arcadius
03-08-03, 10:36
Originally posted by Lord Cypher
Negative

Spy PA 1 has - 10 Athletics
Spy PA 2 has - 15 Athletics
Spy PA 3 has - 20 Athletics
Spy PA 4 has - 25 Athletics


No offense to KK, but this is just plain idiotic.


Spy PA shouldn't have negatives to athletics. Jesus. What's next, monk PA having negatives to PPW, or tank pa having negatives to resists?

Pitspawn
03-08-03, 10:46
Damn spies have a hard enough time keeping pace with any of the other classes in the game. KK if your going to release the spy pa with negative ATL you might as well not bother putting it in.

Spies could only use it if they ran around with atl/agl boosting drugs (whiteflash/redflash/beast/nightshade etc) Which is messed up imo.

IMO Spy pa should give nice resists, small bonus to ATL and a small bonus to RC/PC/RCL/WEP/WPW (Maybe have two suits, one for pc/rc spies other for droners) The negatives should be something like PSI or dare i say it STR/CON.

bounty
03-08-03, 11:24
This may be a dumb question, but why is PE armor not gonna have as great of benifits? Is this because they are already well rounded?

Dribble Joy
03-08-03, 11:56
Originally posted by bounty
This may be a dumb question, but why is PE armor not gonna have as great of benifits? Is this because they are already well rounded?

This is because PEs use all their stat lines to their fullest, we can't afford to loose out too much in any one area.
That and PEs are a general class and not a specialisation class (some will disagaree) and as such ther bonuses will be spread out and lower.

Eg.
PEPA1
+1 dex
+1 str
+1 psi
-1 int
-1 con

summat ilke that, rather than the other PAs.

bah what do I know

FBI
03-08-03, 16:59
Originally posted by bounty
This may be a dumb question, but why is PE armor not gonna have as great of benifits? Is this because they are already well rounded?


This is because tanks will be able to wear them, so they can't
give benefits that are greater than tank pa.

Rade
03-08-03, 17:07
Why would tanks be able to wear them? Its probably gonna be using a combination of stats like str+int or somesuch.

Vampire222
03-08-03, 19:28
Icky.... +6 dex pe pa will mean.... pe's wit sh's
EEEEK

Callash
03-08-03, 19:53
nevermind those values... all of them get reworked.

Rade
03-08-03, 19:55
luff j00 callash :D

Spoon
03-08-03, 20:27
Originally posted by Callash
nevermind those values... all of them get reworked.

Thank God.....

enablerbr
03-08-03, 20:32
well the STR - effects i saw for SPY PA must be a joke. now when my SPY had 50 STR the effects wouldn't have been a killer. yet now with 40 STR. i'd just stick to full battle 3 and STR +1 imp.

Sinead O'Connor
03-08-03, 20:40
Originally posted by Thanatos
Also, the current PAs (yes even the monk ones) will have their requirements and stats adjusted a bit.

everytime someone at KK talks about "adjustments" i worry.

i've seen your "adjustments" in the past.

nonamebrandeggs
04-08-03, 02:55
For spy PA:
+Str not +Dex
-Con not -Str
+Agil/ath not -Ath
Add the 117 Xray

Change around the values for the different TLs of PA, and violah!

IceStorm
04-08-03, 08:47
I want +DEX from Spy PA. I don't give a damm about strength, give me some extra DEX so I don' t have to gimp my tradeskills with a silly Dex 3 backbone or Reflex implant.

FBI
04-08-03, 10:24
Originally posted by IceStorm
I want +DEX from Spy PA. I don't give a damm about strength, give me some extra DEX so I don' t have to gimp my tradeskills with a silly Dex 3 backbone or Reflex implant.

Spy PA is an offensive armor to help u in combat, spys need str
more than dex.

Rade
04-08-03, 10:30
If it gives enough dex you can go with str booster 2 and still get enough str to wear a entire inq set and still have 115 dex. It doesnt matter really, and I think a dex bonus is more fitting on a spy PA.

Shockwave
04-08-03, 12:11
Originally posted by Rade
If it gives enough dex you can go with str booster 2 and still get enough str to wear a entire inq set and still have 115 dex. It doesnt matter really, and I think a dex bonus is more fitting on a spy PA.

Ditto. Spies aren't meant to be physically strong (Or particularly good at PSI for that matter), they're the range-killers and infiltrators, both of which require DEX.

Still not sure on the Spy PA gimping ATH, though. Doesn't seem to fit. Tank PA, sure - it's big bulky crap. Spy PA is meant to be light and nimble, and enhance their natural skills. I would suggest something to replace ATH in the gimping stakes, bit guarenteed someone wouldn't like the idea and I'd get flamed...
Starting to see how KK feel...

Shock.

Voodoochicken
04-08-03, 15:03
A spy being able to get to STR of 49/50 vastly improves their armour + armoured implants.

iirc.. the only (sensible) way you can do it atm is to have nothing on you that gives -STR as well as using a Moveon CPU, another +STR implant AND a drug.


If I was a rifle/pistol user, I think I'd prefer +STR (but not combined with -DEX. .as that would be stupid).

However, as a droner/tradeskiller, I'd really need +DEX to reach 116 or 122 (and I'd have to keep swapping my spine around).

hmnn.... hmnnn... uh?


oh.. I know.. it should add +3 STR AND +3 DEX... :) yeah.. take some more CON away or PSI.... or - from the psi skill that's under INT.. .becasue all spys use that ;) ;)

Tregard
04-08-03, 16:30
I still think the armor should be visibly female/male....the way they are now I would have a hard time fitting into one. (and still be able to breath at least)

Clothing_Option
04-08-03, 19:36
Originally posted by Forget My Name
Awesome. Fucking awesome!

One thing if you can please pass this to the devs.. make PA look unique to the other levels. This game is sufferering froma s ever problem of numbness. Every avatar looks like everyone else, and now we are all going to don PA and be clones of one another. This game has become UNISEX. There is no male or female anymore.


i AGREE its hard to recognize anyone with monk PA on from a distance they all look the same. Samenes is definatley a flaw in the game

Leebzie
04-08-03, 20:06
How about we scrap the idea of "Pa" and have all armor visible.. I mean , it makes a lot more sense. todays PA's would just be the top end armors...

Dude even Runescape had fully visible armor O_o

And it would also help Vastly when judging how good your gonna be in pvp versus another player. and you could look cool. lol.

\\Fényx//
05-08-03, 19:00
Originally posted by Leebzie
How about we scrap the idea of "Pa" and have all armor visible.. I mean , it makes a lot more sense. todays PA's would just be the top end armors...

Dude even Runescape had fully visible armor O_o

And it would also help Vastly when judging how good your gonna be in pvp versus another player. and you could look cool. lol.

and the game doesent lag like fuck already no? Just think of the extra chunk out of your FPS and bandwidth when every time you look at someone it has to find out exactly wat armour they have and draw effectively 5 different models for each person instead of 1 (1 model for each piece of armour)

QuantumDelta
05-08-03, 20:31
rofl treggy, I wont read into that :p

Promethius
05-08-03, 21:00
Originally posted by Thanatos

And yes, the 4th Tank PA will have lower reqs.

*Tears of Joy rolling down my face*

Alpha-Omega
05-08-03, 22:37
So we (gen tanks) will be able to drug to PA4 and wear PA3 with imps :p nice.

jernau
06-08-03, 00:08
Originally posted by \\Fényx//
and the game doesent lag like fuck already no? Just think of the extra chunk out of your FPS and bandwidth when every time you look at someone it has to find out exactly wat armour they have and draw effectively 5 different models for each person instead of 1 (1 model for each piece of armour)

Actually it needn't be much at all - there is already at least that much data sent to accomodate the changes Rokkwear allows. It might even reduce the overhead unless everyone in the zone decides to change armour constantly just to break the server.


wrt Spy PA : from a droners perspective it damned well better give about 20 DEX and 100 WPW and 100 RCL to compensate for the hysterically un-funny arse-violation we took on the so called Droner Implants.:mad::( :mad: :( :mad: :(

Drake6k
06-08-03, 00:23
we're all going to be clones :eek:

jernau
06-08-03, 00:27
Originally posted by Drake6k
we're all going to be clones :eek:

Multi-coloured clones :).

KRIMINAL99
06-08-03, 02:02
Oh the way the vehicles were going I thought they were going to be the PE's version of PA with their mid to high INT and H-C requirements. Thatd be cool if PE's were the only ones who could use Mechs when they finally came out

Drake6k
06-08-03, 02:27
PE PA should give 25 vehicle use :D
We have to tweak our skills SO MUCH to be worth anything in pvp its impossible to get any vehicle use. Would be a nice little bonus. +10 atl/agl would also be cool.

DivineOne
06-08-03, 05:28
..they better tweak them ..is it even possible for a spy to get 155 dex even with drugs?!?!?! OMG and neg atheltics.. but everyything else is nice, like the rifle combat boost

kurai
06-08-03, 07:35
Originally posted by DivineOne
..is it even possible for a spy to get 155 dex even with drugs?!?!?! Nope. No rare DEX drugs.

Absolute best you can do is 138, and you will be an utterly fucked gimp, on the drug trip from hell (Serumderibat, Whiteflash, Redflash).

nonamebrandeggs
06-08-03, 07:44
I had a revelation, +5 psi, then we can use Shelter.

kurai
06-08-03, 07:58
Originally posted by nonamebrandeggs
I had a revelation, +5 psi, then we can use Shelter. Why do you think Spies were trying to buy Dimension Splitters ? :D

It's not as great as it sounds though...
Your mana pool will be gimped speccing for shelter, so you'll have to make it up with PSU under INT. It'll need about 3 times as much PSU as PPW to get the same pool.

Dmg on the shelter will be crap, but on the other hand you'll have much better RoF & Range ;)

For now, while shelter dmg seems to be irrelevant past a certain percentage it's worth a quick experiment with Destrosol Forte, but bear in mind that also gives you +12 PSU (also +12 WEP, but hopefully the armour will have some of that too) which you will have to compensate for from INT if considering PA with +5 PSI

nonamebrandeggs
06-08-03, 08:03
I take enough drugs already, and yes, I already knew about that DS thingy, my testserver spy used a DS :p.

Maybe some +fire resist and +str.

kurai
06-08-03, 08:07
Originally posted by nonamebrandeggs
I take enough drugs already, and yes, I already knew about that DS thingy, my testserver spy used a DS :p.

Maybe some +fire resist and +str. I edited cos the thread is about PA, not drugs, really lol

nonamebrandeggs
06-08-03, 08:33
Originally posted by kurai
I edited cos the thread is about PA, not drugs, really lol


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kurai
06-08-03, 10:23
Originally posted by nonamebrandeggs


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You have one of those false nails with a sequin embedded ?

This must be some strange male Canadian fashion.

Or you are just ... peculiar. :D

Spy<VS>Spy
06-08-03, 17:45
Originally posted by Callash
I cannot reveal the stats yet, but what we had in mind when we wrote them (the new ones that is) was PA1 = for Precap-chars, PA2 = for Cap-chars, PA3 = for imp-donning Cap-chars, PA4 = for drug-abusing-imp-donning Cap-chars :D

this would be fine but i'm a strong beliver in anything that a charactor natrually cant wear, or for instance needs to use usually useless implants for their class just to gain levels to meet requirments...should have a bigger scale difference then the item below it.

so typically, you have your monk power armor, for precapped, and its pretty good, then you have your capped armor, which is maybe 12%15% better. then your (rare) chip users, a 20% increase from the one onder it, and for the drug users with rare implants should get a 30% increase from the one under that.

i mean why not, drugs suck...unless they plan on making drugs more usuable the penelty for stacking drugs, or releiving the drug effect with more drugs is huge. loss of vision, manuverability, speed. if i'm going to do that in a fight and have my 30-60 seconds of uberness and then spend the next 15 minutes fucked up that item better be the absolute shit... :rolleyes:

Ultima
07-08-03, 15:06
Originally posted by kurai
Nope. No rare DEX drugs.

Absolute best you can do is 138, and you will be an utterly fucked gimp, on the drug trip from hell (Serumderibat, Whiteflash, Redflash).

isnt there a +10 dex drug called nightshade found only in one place in the wastelands(or one type of place) , or has that mysterious drug been taken out of the game now?? only 1 mob ever dropped it tho, it wasnt that easy to come by

jernau
07-08-03, 15:29
Kri'nakh mushrooms are +INT and PSI
Kri'nakh nightshade is +STR

Tregard
07-08-03, 16:09
Originally posted by jernau
Kri'nakh mushrooms are +INT and PSI
Kri'nakh nightshade is +STR

and if you go looking for them have *lots* of poison resist:p

HellHound
07-08-03, 21:23
Originally posted by Tregard
and if you go looking for them have *lots* of poison resist:p

Not unless they un-nerfed the poison from swamp mobs... my wimpy little spy almost outhealed 7 stacks of it.
But back on topic:

I WANT MY SPY PAAAAA!!!

Beanie McChimp
08-08-03, 15:47
has any one got pictures of spy power armor (not the anti-radarmor)if please post them please

nonamebrandeggs
08-08-03, 17:55
Look at the signature above your post :rolleyes:.

Spoon
08-08-03, 18:15
Originally posted by nonamebrandeggs
Look at the signature above your post :rolleyes:.


Originally posted by Beanie McChimp
(not the anti-radarmor)

:rolleyes:

:lol:

J a y
08-08-03, 20:53
the spy armor is going to be the anti rad one just with better stats.

Scikar
09-08-03, 15:05
I agree with the guy who suggested removable helmets/foldable hoods. Let the monks have hoods up/down, and let everyone else take their helmet off, and that way we'll still keep some avatar variation. And make PA colours show up at all distances instead of having to get close.

enablerbr
09-08-03, 15:31
Originally posted by Scikar
...... make PA colours show up at all distances instead of having to get close.

as a spy i don't care about the colour of tank PA. as soon as i see it i try to awoid it.:D

Alpha-Omega
09-08-03, 16:51
Monk PA keeps it's colours for me at range, maybe KK will sort tank PA for that li'll "Feature" soon.

Alienfreak
11-08-03, 02:01
Please dont make the PE any worse it already is with an PA weaker than the other ones. Why should 1 of 4 classes get a weak one? I dont really see a reaso ...

Scikar
11-08-03, 02:51
Originally posted by Alienfreak
Please dont make the PE any worse it already is with an PA weaker than the other ones. Why should 1 of 4 classes get a weak one? I dont really see a reaso ...

How exactly will the PA make the PE weaker? It can only improve the PE, even if it is just a little. And the PA isn't weaker, it's just less specialised.

Thane
11-08-03, 16:44
they said the PA will be weaaker, not the class, sci...

and agreed, wtf make it weaker? the PE is the weakest anyway :(

Alienfreak
11-08-03, 17:00
Ed: Forgot to add, the PE PAs will have smaller benefits than the other PAs, but should still be useful.

it is not less specialised ... it has smaller benefits ... so in total it will be weaker than the other ones ...

Argent
11-08-03, 17:05
*Looks around*

No, can't see spy PA.


:confused:

Dribble Joy
12-08-03, 23:46
Originally posted by Alienfreak
it is not less specialised ... it has smaller benefits ... so in total it will be weaker than the other ones ...
smaller but more of them I imagine, spread out over the different skills. As PEs rely on more than 1 or 2 skills alone.

Brew
14-08-03, 16:53
Originally posted by Argent
*Looks around*

No, can't see spy PA.


:confused:

pity :(

wasnt the Spy PA supposed to come out SOON(tm) several months ago? all I've seen is that crappy radiation suit that you have to be capped or drugged to use.

And i see the Monk PA is already out?

What gives?

Alpha-Omega
14-08-03, 17:41
I'll tell ya what gives, the devs r pissed off about the fact that when they did work on spy PA we threw it back in their faces and did nothing but criticise. Personally i think this is the devs getting a little payback and, quite frankly, i don't blame them! We are a bunch of ungrateful arseholes who do nothing but slag off whatever the devs do for us.

jernau
14-08-03, 18:14
Originally posted by Alpha-Omega
I'll tell ya what gives, the devs r pissed off about the fact that when they did work on spy PA we threw it back in their faces and did nothing but criticise. Personally i think this is the devs getting a little payback and, quite frankly, i don't blame them! We are a bunch of ungrateful arseholes who do nothing but slag off whatever the devs do for us.

Whilst I can see where you are coming from on the criticism thing it's total BS wrt the old spy armour. Firstly - it was never really finished, secondly the design was shit and they knew it and thirdly it was pulled from test when they decided to work on armours for everyone at once (along with other "more important" stuff o_O).

On the information we have to hand the current lack of Spy PA is 100% inexcusable. The skin and objects are in, the tests are done, even the "story" has been dealt with. This is just another example of KK failing to communicate with their customers. If they have a reason they should have given it weeks ago but they haven't so people will rightly assume it's a fuck up. In one form or another it is.

shodanjr_gr
14-08-03, 22:24
Originally posted by kurai
It's not as great as it sounds though...
Your mana pool will be gimped speccing for shelter, so you'll have to make it up with PSU under INT. It'll need about 3 times as much PSU as PPW to get the same pool.



I may be wrong but i dont think PSU gives mana anymore. Instead it affects the RoF of spells. They changed that while trying to nerf hybrids.

Message to KK: Can we have psi boosters restore mana instantly again plz???
Message no2 to KK: Can we have PSU give mana as it used to do?? Cmon Hybrids are dead now.

Soz for the HiJacking.


:D

Scikar
14-08-03, 22:44
Originally posted by shodanjr_gr
I may be wrong but i dont think PSU gives mana anymore. Instead it affects the RoF of spells. They changed that while trying to nerf hybrids.

Message to KK: Can we have psi boosters restore mana instantly again plz???
Message no2 to KK: Can we have PSU give mana as it used to do?? Cmon Hybrids are dead now.

Soz for the HiJacking.

Psi Use does give mana but nothing like as much as it used to. Somewhere around 1 point of mana for 2 points of psi use. I've already asked for some more mana from it myself actually, it's another one of those things that was intended to nerf hybrids but just nerfed apus, now hybrids are gone there's no reason not to have it back, it would certainly allow us to actually USE antibuffs and rare barrels (Holy Antibuff is usable but Antibuff requires ~350 mana which is more than the average apu's pool).

HellHound
14-08-03, 22:50
Whee, give us our mana back. Tried to set my tank up to use heal sanctum without realising mana from PSU was gimped. Didn't work. :(

AND GIVE US OUR FRIGGING PE AND SPY PA


:angel:

Dribble Joy
15-08-03, 00:22
Originally posted by shodanjr_gr
I may be wrong but i dont think PSU gives mana anymore. Instead it affects the RoF of spells. They changed that while trying to nerf hybrids.

It does, very little, and the only reason my PE even has any.


Message to KK: Can we have psi boosters restore mana instantly again plz???
So you can use PSI shield and be totally invulnerable? ;)


Message no2 to KK: Can we have PSU give mana as it used to do?? Cmon Hybrids are dead now.


Ja, I agree.

JediMasta
15-08-03, 00:57
Stop bitching about SPY PA !!

Us PE's have no class specific armor at all, at least u guys got a rad suit.

Brew
15-08-03, 16:08
Well, capped spies do.
I got 90 base dex and am nowhere near being able to use it.

Scikar
15-08-03, 19:07
Originally posted by JediMasta
Stop bitching about SPY PA !!

Us PE's have no class specific armor at all, at least u guys got a rad suit.

Uhhh... Titan Armor isn't exactly ideal tank armor...

But I get your point. :p