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FBI
28-06-03, 11:18
Just another utility (or cgi) I made for neocron. My banner below
is a dynamic cgi that gets the server populations, draws it to
the picture and then finally outputs it to you, the people.

It will update every 5 minutes. Enjoy.

Note: If you decide to use the cgi on a fansite or whatever,
use the following link or it will refuse to work (by design):


http://mike.9m3.com/cgi-bin/ncserverpops.cgi?outside_nc=true


Expect more to come! Click here (http://neocron.jafc.de/showthread.php?s=&threadid=65590&highlight=neocron+utilities) to post ideas or suggestions.

edit: thanks to Cypher_Psy for the graphics :)

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kurai
28-06-03, 11:34
Nicely done.
(*very* minor gripe - the contrast on the numbers is a little too low. Perhaps a white, or paler blue fill for the numbers would help)

Now convince KK to add it to the Server List in http://www.neocron.com/patcher/ :D

Krll
28-06-03, 11:35
Holy crap, that's pretty damn nifty! :)

-Krll

FBI
28-06-03, 11:59
Originally posted by kurai
Nicely done.
(*very* minor gripe - the contrast on the numbers is a little too low. Perhaps a white, or paler blue fill for the numbers would help)

Now convince KK to add it to the Server List in http://www.neocron.com/patcher/ :D

If anyone can make the following font graphic more clearer,
feel free to modify it and send it to me or post it here.

I will update the banner cgi with the new font if it's better,
I'm not into graphics at all. :)


http://mike.9m3.com/misc/paradoxnumbers.gif

edit: looks at Cypher_Psy ;)

Vince Kyzar
28-06-03, 12:12
http://www.fgs-clan.de/paradoxnumbers.gif

10secs ;)


http://www.fgs-clan.de/paradoxnumbers2.gif
http://www.fgs-clan.de/ncserverpops.gif

FBI
28-06-03, 12:15
Originally posted by Vince Kyzar
http://www.fgs-clan.de/paradoxnumbers.gif

10secs ;)


http://www.fgs-clan.de/paradoxnumbers2.gif
http://www.fgs-clan.de/ncserverpops.gif

Thanks, updated it :)

Archeus
28-06-03, 12:17
Shouldn't it go...

Venus, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, *Neptune*, Pluto

actually.. is it possible to make one for each server as well?

FBI
28-06-03, 12:24
Originally posted by Archeus
Shouldn't it go...

Venus, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, *Neptune*, Pluto

The order is random although i wish Cypher_Psy put the
servers in correct order (according to the ingame server list).

no biggy, it doesnt matter.

Ulle
28-06-03, 13:05
Well, I am impressed :p perhaps a total column is required with the Neocron symbol above it where the planet would be with the other figures.

Anyway, nice work

n3m
28-06-03, 13:09
awesome work, thumbs up

you like blue dont ya? :p

kurai
28-06-03, 13:10
Originally posted by Vince Kyzar
http://www.fgs-clan.de/paradoxnumbers.gifBetter - the increased brightness makes numbers stand out from background better... still too much "glow" for characters that size though.

I tried to tone it down somewhat, but it wasn't terribly succesful. It would be easier to re-create the font with whatever tool was originally used and adjust the glow factor - trying to edit the finished bitmap is a nightmare ;)

FBI
28-06-03, 13:17
Originally posted by Ulle
Well, I am impressed :p perhaps a total column is required with the Neocron symbol above it where the planet would be with the other figures.

Anyway, nice work

Gee why didn't i think of this...great idea, i will impliment it
very soon. Thanks for the compliment Ulle :)

@ Kurai

I'll ask cypher psy to tone it down, thanks :) I guess i'll also
ask for the neocron total column to be added, cypher is really
nice to do stuff like this for me :P

Thanks all, this is just my way of thanking the community and
showing my appreciation for the game itself. Please remember,
this was a quick prototype/beta. I plan to add server statistics
and so on (later on).


edit: If your curious how it was made or how it works. click
the banner. (for those who PMed me for source code, the
answer is no, sorry)

Argent
28-06-03, 14:20
Very nice work mate. Too bad that I have signature ignore on. =/

ReDim
28-06-03, 14:27
I think it's cool, personally i would have made the size smaller, so i could put it under my exsisting signature.
But anyways nice work :D

FBI
28-06-03, 14:45
Alright, modifications.

Thanks to Ulle for his Brilliant idea of having a Total column ;)

Now it actually looks better.


NOTE: This is a prototype, next stage will be to make the final
size smaller. Right now i'm using PNG format, i will switch to
Gif or jpeg later, which ever works best.

edit: i made a slight modifiction in the font glow, tell me if
it's ok now kurai.

edit2: i'm waiting on cyphur to add the "Total" glow text to
the neocron logo..

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Glok
28-06-03, 14:47
Are you gonna have a 60 pixel high version? Or even 80 pix. I wouldn't mind adding that thing to my sig. :D

FBI
28-06-03, 14:51
This was surely thrown together, the graphics and all.

Clearly not going to be like this when it's done. I will make
smaller versions later, even customized versions for fansites
and players if they want. But i'm not a graphic designer at
all, i barely was able to get the neocron logo from the forums
and put it in that :)

The final version will be smaller in width and height. total size
will be less than 25kb. right now its 50kb aprox

Glok
28-06-03, 14:54
Cool. :)

And jeez, Uranus was at 300 just a few minutes ago...

n3m
28-06-03, 14:54
I just checked, numbers aren't correct..
NC:
301 Jupiter
170 Venus
180 Uranus
254 Saturn
159 Pluto
Banner:
234 Jupiter
124 Saturn
110 Venus
219 Uranus
116 Pluto


checked and double checked it multiple times:o

FBI
28-06-03, 15:05
Interesting, i could have made a fluke in the code, it happens.

I'll check thanks :)

jernau
28-06-03, 15:17
Numbers aren't right for me either.

Where are you getting them from anyway?

Nice job though. Very handy utility.

FBI
28-06-03, 15:36
Originally posted by jernau
Numbers aren't right for me either.

Where are you getting them from anyway?

Nice job though. Very handy utility.

Slight miscalculation in the network code, sorry everyone.
It should get the correct numbers now.

Jernau, it gets the numbers the same way the neocron game
client does, connects to login server and requests server info
packets. The bug was minor, thanks for spotting it guys :)

Cypher_Psy
28-06-03, 15:38
Hey hey hey ;)

Just got up (nice long lie in :P )
New banner soon...

Archeus
28-06-03, 15:38
Still probs.

337 on Jupiter, 173 on your banner.

Other then that the rest look close to the figures.

Btw people, probably best not to put it in your signature as you would be crippling his bandwidth.

*ph33r*
28-06-03, 15:39
Nice work para, now all we need is a map with outposts displayed on them- on the name of each clan that holds that OP- bit like PS :rolleyes:

Dont worry my PS account is long gone :D

Anyway gj !

jernau
28-06-03, 15:40
Ah, OK. I was wondering how you'd get it from an HTML/scripting method. What is KK's position on this kind of utility?

Glok
28-06-03, 15:42
Originally posted by Archeus
Still probs.

337 on Jupiter, 173 on your banner.

Other then that the rest look close to the figures.

Btw people, probably best not to put it in your signature as you would be crippling his bandwidth. It only updates every five minutes. It shows 338 on Jupiter for me now.

jernau
28-06-03, 15:44
Saturn seems to always be 90 lower than it should be.

FBI
28-06-03, 15:48
Originally posted by jernau
Ah, OK. I was wondering how you'd get it from an HTML/scripting method. What is KK's position on this kind of utility?

I emailed KK, said it was alright as long as all I did was get
the server stats, which is where the connection to the login
server gets terminated.

"Hi Mike Canejo,

Shouldn't be a problem afaik. As long as that's all it is going to do."


edit: ok i ran into a couple of bugs, it wont update until I
can get them all fixed.

jernau
28-06-03, 16:13
Cool.

Keep up the good work then :)

Look forward to seeing the finished product.

Cypher_Psy
28-06-03, 16:46
I have posted some new graphics to Parad0x, hopefully you will be seeing them soon ;)

Vince Kyzar
28-06-03, 16:54
as soon as i find the time i'll post a design, too :)

kurai
28-06-03, 17:26
Originally posted by FBI
Alright, modifications.
...
edit: i made a slight modifiction in the font glow, tell me if
it's ok now kurai.
Still a little much - most noticeable on 3's & 5's

It's not a huge amount out ... it would work just fine if the numerals were another 5 or so points higher.... but
... as you say, you plan to shrink it some as you work on it
I'd say reducing the glow even further is an idea. You just get too much "bleed" of nearby glow boundaries.

Geez - I sound like a really picky bastard - not my intention at all :D

FBI
28-06-03, 18:14
Ok I ran into alot of bugs so i ended up rewritting alot of code
instead wasting time. Right now it seems to be fine.


What do you guys think of the scaled version?

http://mike.9m3.com/misc/new/2.jpg
http://mike.9m3.com/misc/new/1a.jpg

edit: i just noticed it has neptune ;)

Cypher_Psy
28-06-03, 18:19
Ace, but I'm biased :D

--
Finally got round to updating my own avatar ;)

kurai
28-06-03, 18:28
Originally posted by FBI
What do you guys think of the scaled version?
http://mike.9m3.com/misc/new/1a.jpg
Lot's better.

If you are prepared to consider another tiny suggestion ...
the vertical riser on the 6 and descender on the 9, and the top horizontal on the 5 could do with just one or two brighter pixels
... but feel free to tell me to STFU n00b at any time :D

Heavyporker
28-06-03, 18:30
actually, I have to agree with kurai about upping the risers on the 6 and 9... they seem to disappear into the background.

anyways, ace work...

spydre1070
28-06-03, 18:31
how about.. something with high contrast.. its still pretty hard to read on both my computer monitors. this one is especially dark..

http://www.sighost.us/members/spydre1070/paradoxnumbers.gif

its easy to read yet you still have your glow elements although not as much as befor. also i dont know which font you used . this one is MS Sans Serif.

FBI
28-06-03, 18:37
I'll try both on the "test" version. ;)

Crono
28-06-03, 18:37
Damn FBI, nice work. :)

VirtualReGen
28-06-03, 18:44
damn para, that is soooo cool! keep up the good work! and thank you :D :)
of course also thanks to Cypher_Psy!!!
:)

Nidhogg
28-06-03, 18:46
That is very cool. :)

N

[TgR]KILLER
28-06-03, 18:55
Originally posted by FBI

What do you guys think of the scaled version?

http://mike.9m3.com/misc/new/2.jpg
http://mike.9m3.com/misc/new/1a.jpg



its nice :) realy like the Total on the NC logo.. because the current one does't say anything just gives the total number

petek480
28-06-03, 19:20
I think you got the populations for saturn and uranus switch.

FBI
28-06-03, 19:35
Originally posted by petek480
I think you got the populations for saturn and uranus switch.

Yeah they are, but the next version is almost done, the
draw code is being rewritting to accommodate the new graphics
cypher send me... the file size will be under 20kb as well.

nonamebrandeggs
28-06-03, 19:44
I love it, very GJ man :D. I can't really see much of anything wrong with it... besides maybe making it in orange to go with the forum colors?

jernau
28-06-03, 19:49
The new version looks amazing.

Once it's all done you might want to throw an orange filter over it and maybe KK will host it somewhere and put it up on www.neocron.com.


edit - damn you eggs ;)

Vince Kyzar
28-06-03, 19:55
I think I'll do a couple of "Themes" for it.
One in the style of the NC-Homepage and maybe a couple of others, WinXP style or so.

FBI
28-06-03, 20:04
Alright this is the new version, had to fix a drawing glitch :)


@Vince:

Yeah man, do it. But please use the following modified font file
as a reference:

http://mike.9m3.com/misc/new/font.bmp

Each number is 11x16 dimensions, total is 109x16. if they
are not the same it won't work and it's such a pain for me
to fix each number so the graphic routine processes it
correctly.

So yes, Cyphers newest banner looks good, sleek. We will have
to wait for neptune to open, for now it will stay at 0 to remind
KK that some people are still waiting ;)

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Glok
28-06-03, 20:18
So is it cool if I add it to my sig? ;) :D

-edit- I would have to use it off your site tho... all I have are image hosters (cgi, etc. not supported...)

FBI
28-06-03, 20:24
Well I don't know.. not just yet.

I'm still trying to get the file size smaller so it won't distract
my system. If anyone has a host i can use, Please

BY ALL MEANS

Help out :)

Glok
28-06-03, 20:35
My ISP gives free webspace with my account... but my bro went and registered it. So I have to wait to talk to him to get the password. Then I'll see what is supported, and I'll gladly host it if I can.

Until then, I guess I can admire it and refresh the page every 5 minutes. ;)

jernau
28-06-03, 20:36
If a lot of people link to it are they all going to be hitting KK's servers seperately or is that decoupled?

Cypher_Psy
28-06-03, 20:36
Glad you like the graphics Parad0x :) :)
Sweet Job on the code :angel:

I'll knock out a few "skins" for it, if I get some Ideas for colours / graphics.

msdong
28-06-03, 20:41
well its real cool but can u make it some kind of ORANGE ???? :)

and can u share a download of the CGI ?? i would like to use it on my side but prefere a text or a grafic that is 140xXXX.

now we only need a Server online tool.

FBI
28-06-03, 20:44
Hah.. just put the latest picture on a free webhost so i could
reboot without it dissapearing...;)

I can't host this thing, it's going to get massive. The problem
with dynamic banners is that everytime you refresh it, it
redownloads where as a static image doesn't redownload, it
checks if it has changed then redownloads (IE settings). I have
a very sucky upload speed capped so this is killing me with
simultaneous uploads.

Glok
28-06-03, 20:48
Well, I was kidding about refreshing every 5 minutes... :eek:

Vince Kyzar
28-06-03, 20:57
I think the best solution would be to release it to the public so that everyone can host it for himself.

msdong
28-06-03, 21:07
Originally posted by Vince Kyzar
I think the best solution would be to release it to the public so that everyone can host it for himself.

CGI Hosting is not common so not many ppl will able to use it. but putting the link on a picture is a good better idea :)

Vince Kyzar
28-06-03, 21:19
yeah but that way one can at least split it up onto different people handling the load instead of just FBI.

FBI
28-06-03, 21:20
Originally posted by jernau
If a lot of people link to it are they all going to be hitting KK's servers seperately or is that decoupled?

The cgi doesn't download the stats every hit, it downloads
the same image every time unless it has been changed by
the second program i have created. (below answer)


Originally posted by Vince Kyzar
I think the best solution would be to release it to the public so that everyone can host it for himself.

The problem here is that there are two parts to this project,
the server stat downloader and the cgi. The stat downloader
is a regular program that sits in my system tray, every 5 min
it logs in my account and gets the server populations then
replaces the old graphic with a updated one. The cgi just gives
means for dynamics in how it loads etc.



Originally posted by Cypher_Psy
Glad you like the graphics Parad0x :) :)
Sweet Job on the code :angel:

I'll knock out a few "skins" for it, if I get some Ideas for colours / graphics.

Can't wait :)))

It woudn't have came out as good without your skills.


NOTE:

As you all know this is a cgi, by simply adding a "theme=XP,
theme=forum, theme=blue" at the end of the link you will
be able to load the theme you want (also size maybe) soon.

The possibilities are endless. I have a friend who might host the
cgi, if all goes well it could be on very nice commercial server ;)

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thewarrior008
28-06-03, 22:02
GOOd job guys :)


now KK has to implement it on the NC launcher

jernau
28-06-03, 22:10
Originally posted by thewarrior008
GOOd job guys :)


now KK has to implement it on the NC launcher

Why on the launcher?

Richard Angelus
28-06-03, 22:14
hmmm
whats about daily Neocron stats?
like irc stats
(Server 1 has the most users from ... to ... )

:D

Vince Kyzar
28-06-03, 22:22
http://joern-piontek.de/ncpop.png

http://joern-piontek.de/font.bmp


wip

mr murb
29-06-03, 02:10
Nice.

Since you get the server population, could you store it and keep track of it?
Can you graph the server pop over time?
Show the peak time for each server?
Show the days that the servers are more popluated?
Graph the daily server pop average for each server for the upcoming months?
Or just record all the info to a spead sheet and let us have access to it?

(and KK can you do something to make the numbers bigger. :p )

FBI
29-06-03, 06:29
Originally posted by Vince Kyzar
http://joern-piontek.de/ncpop.png

http://joern-piontek.de/font.bmp


wip

I'm adding this theme to the cgi.

FBI
29-06-03, 09:33
Following updates:


Using Gif format now, estimated sizes: 12-14kb (old 30kb)
Location moving to a commercial IIS server
Adding theme support, the one above is getting added
Numbers now get centered under the planets.
Statistics to show most popular servers, most crowded
at x/y time, etc.


Once the cgi gets on the new server, you guys can hit it, bash
it.. kick it. whatever you feel like doing :)

Theme support will work with cgi variables in GET requests,
simple Theme=FBI (for blue one in my sig) Theme=Forum (
the one above this post) and others to come. The themes
will vary in graphic dimensions as well.

So If anyone has a fansite or whatever just get a theme made
to go with the site and send me it, i'll add it to the drawing
routines.

(sorry for posting twice, It's been too long to edit the previous)

[P]

msdong
29-06-03, 10:20
Originally posted by Vince Kyzar
http://joern-piontek.de/ncpop.png

http://joern-piontek.de/font.bmp


wip

That one is SO FUCKIN COOL !!!

hmm im not in to that theme thing - can u tell what i have to look for when i do a theme ?
is there a special format that the gif must have ?

FBI
29-06-03, 10:33
Originally posted by msdong
That one is SO FUCKIN COOL !!!

hmm im not in to that theme thing - can u tell what i have to look for when i do a theme ?
is there a special format that the gif must have ?

Basically i'm going to have the server updater program not only
render just my blue theme , but other themes as well. GIF is
just the format i'm using to reduce the size. To activate a theme
you simply put the variable at the end of the URL, like this:

http://mike.9m3.com/cgi-bin/ncserverpops.cgi?outside_nc=true&theme=forum

Of course it don't work right now but that Theme variable
will tell the cgi which theme to load, in the above case it
would be the forum theme that you like :)

Just be patient, alot of good things to come.

gostly
29-06-03, 10:36
very nice para...i think im gunna start a website just to put that on it...:lol:

Cypher_Psy
29-06-03, 16:05
http://www.psychosisnet.freeserve.co.uk/paradoxbannerchromeblue.gif
http://www.psychosisnet.freeserve.co.uk/paradoxbannerchromebluenumbers.gif

Orange
---------
http://www.psychosisnet.freeserve.co.uk/paradoxbannerchromeorange.gif
http://www.psychosisnet.freeserve.co.uk/paradoxbannerchromeorangenumbers.gif

Ill do a no neptune one if ya need one ;)

msdong
29-06-03, 19:41
Ill give it a try :)

http://neocron.msdong.de/images/servercounter/tgserver.gif
http://neocron.msdong.de/images/servercounter/tgservernumber.gif

just slap me if i did something wrong :D


this is what ist should look like ....
http://neocron.msdong.de/images/servercounter/tgservertest.gif

Psycho_Soldier
29-06-03, 20:07
Can you make avatar specific ones for each server? BTW great job guys!

Alpha-Omega
29-06-03, 21:27
hmm, would be nice to make it a self-contained program too, one that just sits in ur sys tray an tells u wat the servers r like.

Vince Kyzar
29-06-03, 22:22
how about a little app that sits next to the windows clock and you can like select 1 server and there it displays the current pop, dunno if its possible with a icon that small.

Psycho_Soldier
29-06-03, 23:51
I got a idea based off of Alpha-Omega's and Vince Kyzar's ideas.

How about a program that has a icon in the systray and it has options like this or similar.

http://www.angelfire.com/pro/neocron/playercount.JPG

Then it opens a toolbar that is always on your taskbar so you dont have to open anything, just glance down at the taskbar to see the server populations you have selected to see.

nonamebrandeggs
29-06-03, 23:53
Hmm, those news ticker things are pretty cool, why not make it into one of those? Like just a scrolling pluto - 234 Saturn - 10 etc...

FBI
30-06-03, 01:03
Originally posted by Alpha-Omega
hmm, would be nice to make it a self-contained program too, one that just sits in ur sys tray an tells u wat the servers r like.

I am still considering this.



Originally posted by Psycho_Soldier
Can you make avatar specific ones for each server? BTW great job guys!


I don't quite understand what you mean, can you explain a little
more, sorry :|



Originally posted by msdong
Ill give it a try :)

http://neocron.msdong.de/images/servercounter/tgserver.gif
http://neocron.msdong.de/images/servercounter/tgservernumber.gif

just slap me if i did something wrong :D


this is what ist should look like ....
http://neocron.msdong.de/images/servercounter/tgservertest.gif


It's perfect, I will add this theme in along with the others, this
will look great on your site :P




Originally posted by Cypher_Psy
http://www.psychosisnet.freeserve.co.uk/paradoxbannerchromeblue.gif
http://www.psychosisnet.freeserve.co.uk/paradoxbannerchromebluenumbers.gif

Orange
---------
http://www.psychosisnet.freeserve.co.uk/paradoxbannerchromeorange.gif
http://www.psychosisnet.freeserve.co.uk/paradoxbannerchromeorangenumbers.gif

Ill do a no neptune one if ya need one ;)


I am impressed. Very impressed. I'd like a no neptune version
for now so when neptune does arrive I'll be ready to just switch
over. :)

Psycho_Soldier
30-06-03, 01:29
Originally posted by FBI
I don't quite understand what you mean, can you explain a little
more, sorry :|

I mean avatar size like this for each server.
http://www.angelfire.com/pro/neocron/ncserveravatar.png

Cypher_Psy
30-06-03, 01:58
http://www.psychosisnet.freeserve.co.uk/noneptuneblue.gif
http://www.psychosisnet.freeserve.co.uk/paradoxbannerchromebluenumbers.gif
&
http://www.psychosisnet.freeserve.co.uk/noneptuneorange.gif
http://www.psychosisnet.freeserve.co.uk/paradoxbannerchromeorangenumbers.gif

FBI
30-06-03, 01:59
Originally posted by Psycho_Soldier
I mean avatar size like this for each server.
http://www.angelfire.com/pro/neocron/ncserveravatar.png


Well you can't do this because the Forum server takes the
location of the avater graphic and stores it on their server.

The only way to do this would be to have the cgi connect
through neocrons forums via HTTP protocol and actually
simulate updating the avator. This is obviously something
I'm not up to doing and probably violates some rules.


edit: Thanks cypher!!

FBI
30-06-03, 12:23
The server that hosts the cgi will be down for 1-3 days, i'm
moving to a bigger house and it will take time to get everything
from A to B. Getting settled and setting up the 6 computer
systems in the new house will take some time.

When I return expect some features/advancements in the
upcomming version 2 with new graphics and themes.

See y'all soon!

[P]

Ulle
30-06-03, 17:38
Originally posted by FBI
The server that hosts the cgi will be down for 1-3 days

You don't need to put that in your sig, because it looks like the servers of Neocron are down that way :p We don't want people to think the servers are down the same amount as the SWG servers now do we? :D

jernau
30-06-03, 17:42
Originally posted by Ulle
We don't want people to think the servers are down the same amount as the SWG servers now do we? :D

LOL :lol:

I bet all the KK guys are felling pretty damned good right now. So they should.

FBI
22-09-03, 18:37
Alright someone asked for a mini ticker for saturn so I decided to
make one for all servers and a cgi randomly cycle through them all:

http://mike.9m3.com/cgi-bin/ncserverpopstickerminivenus.cgi

http://mike.9m3.com/cgi-bin/ncserverpopstickerminijupiter.cgi

http://mike.9m3.com/cgi-bin/ncserverpopstickerminisaturn.cgi

http://mike.9m3.com/cgi-bin/ncserverpopstickerminiuranus.cgi

http://mike.9m3.com/cgi-bin/ncserverpopstickerminipluto.cgi

http://mike.9m3.com/cgi-bin/ncserverpopstickerminitotal.cgi


And the CGI to cycle randomly through them all:
http://mike.9m3.com/cgi-bin/ncserverpopstickerminirandom.cgi


Alternatively for fansite, you should use:

http://mike.9m3.com/cgi-bin/ncserverpops.cgi?outside_nc=true

add the following variable to the end of the link accordingly:
&theme=tickerminivenus
&theme=tickerminijupiter
&theme=tickerminisaturn
&theme=tickerminiuranus
&theme=tickerminipluto
&theme=tickerminitotal
&theme=tickerminirandom

Example:
http://mike.9m3.com/cgi-bin/ncserverpops.cgi?outside_nc=true&theme=tickerminirandom

Enjoy all :)

FBI

msdong
22-09-03, 18:45
simple question ? is it possible to put the numbers somewhere as TEXT to get them with html ???

something like a numbers.html with only the numbers in CSV, so i can put them on as an alt for the image ???

lol i like TEXT browsers :)

FBI
22-09-03, 18:51
The only person who has access to the actual "text" output cgi
is BramTops for the Neocron Launcher PRO.

I'll PM you with the details.

FBI