How much XP do I need to LOM?

[SilentEye]

I am a soon to be capped droner spy. I am looking to obtain WOC 1 followed by obtaining enough XP to LOM my way into something else I haven't decided yet :)


How much over XP do I need for my main skill (100) to LOM back all my XP points and not loose a level?
How much over XP do I need for STR/CON (40) to LOM back all my XP points and not loose a level?

I've tried searching the forums and couldn't find it. Unfortunately techhaven.org doesn't seem to list the info either.

Thanks guys :)

[hajoan]

Formula is
XP = BaseXP of the TL + ( loms * XP loose of the TL )
Is calculateable but do you realy want to use 150 loms?

How many do you realy need?

[SilentEye]

I've been using all my points and I'm quite sure I'll want to change them all around in the end so then it would be 150, yes.

I don't really understand your formula I'm afraid, would you mind helping?

[hajoan]

OK just tell me from what base sublevel you want to lom to zero.
165? (would be 100 loms)

[Brammers]

....How much over XP do I need for STR/CON (40) to LOM back all my XP points and not loose a level?
...

TBH I wouldn't worry about that on a Spy. If you rifles/pistols, you will re-cap that from levelling/hunting quite easily.

[SilentEye]

OK just tell me from what base sublevel you want to lom to zero.
165? (would be 100 loms)
Can you give me the outcome for 138 and 233?

Thanks! :)

[hajoan]

Its not possible to skill 233 points to a level.
Please only points without imps :D

btw: You would only loose a maximum of 3 levels in STR if you lom from 105 tra to zero.

[SilentEye]

Sorry, the 233 is with 2 skills combined.

DEX:

T-C 95
RCL 138

How much would it cost to LOM those all?
How much would it cost to LOM only RCL?

INTL:

WPW 175

How much would it cost to LOM all them?

[hajoan]

WPW 175 base? I never heard that someone did that 8|

WPW 175 = 110 loms
234 941 122 XP for not loosing a level.

I see I need to spend some time at my NC LomCalc again to make such calculations possible without the windows calc :p
But I never saw a reason for it before.

[SilentEye]

Pfff, I've been going by forum posts. People told me to :P

Let me know about the DEX ones also, I'll read it at home, going home now :)

[hajoan]

Hm... I recieved a PM.
I will better send you a PM later with the data :p

[hajoan]

Sended PM with the needed data.
So no calculations needs to be done in this thread anymore.

[Grogor]

WPW 175 = 110 loms
234 941 122 XP for not loosing a level.


Hmm I think this is wrong. You would need about 135 looms( plus minus 5, it's late...) from 175 to 0. Each loom pill will cost you ~830k per use at ability level 100. which is 112 050 000 XP total loss. (since its a bit more than 830k we assume 113mio and are on the safe side).

[SilentEye]

Hmm I think this is wrong. You would need about 135 looms( plus minus 5, it's late...) from 175 to 0. Each loom pill will cost you ~830k per use at ability level 100. which is 112 050 000 XP total loss. (since its a bit more than 830k we assume 113mio and are on the safe side).
Yeah, I was talking with a colleague and he was saying the same haha.

hajoan, could it be that you made a mistake? Your numbers of needing an additional 234M freaked me out :D

[hajoan]

I calculated
Level 100 -> 0 = 35 Loms
Every addionally level = +1 lom
so for 175
= 35 + 75 = 110 Loms
Keep in mind that you cant bye a lom. You buy a stack.
Is this wrong? May you tell me what is correct here?


Additional 234M?
It was the XP You need to do not loose any level.
Exacltly what you were aksing for.
You never asked for the loosing xp or did I missed it?

@Gregor:
I calculated with a XP-loose at Level 100 = 753971 XP / lom
Youre right at this point because this is the loose of Level 99 o_O

But that value I will recheck, thx.

[SilentEye]

The question is how much over-cap XP do I need in order to LOM all the points and not go down a level.

Your answer is that I need 200 million something XP because that's how much I'd loose, or not?

Because that is according to these other people not the right answer :D

[hajoan]

Your answer is that I need 200 million something XP because that's how much I'd loose, or not?
And again Mr. base 175 WPW:
It's the XP you need to not loose a level - not the loose itself.
If you want to know the overcap then just get the level 100 xp off and volla... there it is.
I guess you already know how many XP is needed for 100 otherwise I would not understand why you ask for the overcap value.

Please read Grogors post again.

[[F6]Knight]

TLDN version:
Don't worry about loms because you say you are going for WOC 1.
WOC 1 is 100m xp overcap (which is 257m total xp).
With 100m overcap you can take almost 120 loms without loosing a level. (I'll update this number once I find the exact XP loss number on my PC at home)
You will only need 106 loms in INT and about 98-99 loms in DEX with your stats.
This means that once you reach WOC 1, you'll also have enough xp to lom int and dex without loosing a level.


Long version:
It's 31 loms from 100 base skill to 0.
Every point over 100 will cost an extra lom.

For int you'll need 106 loms to get rid of the 175 base WPW.

Just for info:
For dex you'll need 98 or 99 loms to get rid of your 95 T-C (29 or 30 loms, can't remember the exact lom behavior at those odd in between levels) and 138 RCL. (69 loms. 38 for 138 -> 100 skill and then another 31 for 100 -> 0 skill)
The reason this is "just for info" is because it doesn't matter. As a spy your dex and int level at the same speed so if you have enough int xp to use 106 loms without loosing a level then you'll also have enough dex xp to use 106 loms without loosing a level.

As for the XP loss at 100 base skill, it's just over 830k per lom as Grogor already mentioned on page 1 of this topic.
I have the exact number at home. I'll post it once I get off work.

Some additional tips:
- Don't forget to go to the WOC temple to get your WOC level before you start lomming. Otherwise you'll hate yourself :)
- When in doubt, use NeoFrag for "test lomming". Get all the lom pills that you need, enter a NeoFrag arena and start lomming in there.. When you leave the NeoFrag arena, all your stats will be reset to what they were before and you'll have all the lom pills back in your inventory.
- Each "lom pill" item that you buy from the vendor has 10 uses (indicated by the small number "10" on the item). So if you need to use 106 loms, you"ll need to buy 11 packs of loms from the vendor, not 106.
- Finally, bring some stamina boosters because each lom pill you use will drain about 20 stamina. By putting some stamina boosters and lom pills in your quickbar you can lom very fast. Keep spamming the lom pill hotkey and when your stamina gets low use a stamina booster.

I hope this helps

[SilentEye]

Knight;2208025']...
You are my absolute hero :) Thank you!

[William Antrim]

If youre going to get Woc 1 then lom then you need to do the Woc stuff first and get your woc level. I cant be arsed with maths but if you want to woc you will not lose a level loming back from Woc xp to whatever other skill you want. Unless you do something completely stupid that is.

If you have droned to woc then your int xp should be very similar to your dex xp I would assume (totals I mean) and so there again you have nothing to worry about in terms of losing a level.

It is really cool that people have sat and worked this out for you but if all you wanted to know was if you lose a level from loming back from woc then no you dont.

[SilentEye]

Thanks for your reply William :)

I do very much appreciate everyones explanation and clarification, but in the end I was indeed looking for what I should do to prevent loosing a level.

I was actually under the impression that WOC 1 consumed the XP. I thought that I would have had to do it twice but in this thread I have learned that going WOC doesn't consume the XP :)

[[F6]Knight]

Here is my promised update.
The exact xp lost when taking a lom at 100 base skill is 830 359.

The difference to the "830k" that I used in my earlier calculations is so minimal that upon recalculating it appears that my previous advise is still valid and doesn't need editing.

Happy leveling and lomming :)

[netster]

Lets say it quick: I lomed at 260mil xp from RCL to RC (didnt touch TC/AGL) and lost 60mil xp.

[SilentEye]

Knight;2208066']Happy leveling and lomming :)
Thank you sir!

[gstyle40]

and as a spy it would be kinda diffrent to lom out your tc considering u need it for stealth. and 175 wpw.....O M G lol :p