View Full Version : Implants should not be removed when killed.
Spaceshotx7
21-03-13, 19:39
When you die, I think it should be changed so that the Implants don't pop out.
For those without the implant skills, it can be frustrating, and there may not always be someone there to poke them back in when you need them.
When I died last night, I had to go search for a poker back in Neocron plaza 1, and it took a while for someone to respond, and poke back in my implants.
Making it so your implants don't popout when killed would relieve the frustration.
William Antrim
21-03-13, 20:09
There are a million reasons why this is a crap idea. The short answer however is that it would kill the poking trade. Therefore, no.
Hey space,
There is a core design intent that Neocron feature player interaction. and while I agree that it can be frustrating when there are no pokers online, it would go completely against the social nature of this game to move the player trades onto a self-service sort of apparatus.
Also, dying *should* suck, so you want to do it less. ;)
That is like saying vendors should sell artifact weapons because it is frustrating to find a good constructor..
That is like saying vendors should sell artifact weapons because it is frustrating to find a good constructor..
Not really. Dope is right though.
It would be nice if the Devs could introduce an auto-poker machine of sorts that costs like 10k per poke or something for when no one is around to actually poke. But that sounds like a lot of work and Im not sure how it would impact the economy and all that.
Your best bet is to join a clan or find a group of people to hang with, that way someone will always be around somewhere to poke you.
It would be nice if the Devs could introduce an auto-poker machine of sorts that costs like 10k per poke or something for when no one is around to actually poke. But that sounds like a lot of work and Im not sure how it would impact the economy and all that.
Your best bet is to join a clan or find a group of people to hang with, that way someone will always be around somewhere to poke you.
I've long thought that, just as vendors can work for crappy low level weapons, there should be auto pokers.
That being said, there should be some tradeoffs, for instance:
Auto pokers are limited to ~tl 80 (rare weapons can't be bought after all).
Cost should be somewhat high (implant tl^2*10nc).
Speed should be slow (roughly 1/4 the speed of a player poke).
Implants should be damaged on the way in by roughly 10 percent.
I do not want to change the death penalties nor do I want a poking machine. Dope said it all.
I for my part will always log a poker if I someone's asking for a poke a few times on trade and can't get one.
But usually when I do there are already three pokers there in P1 who have logged their char also :-)
I think persistence and humor is the key if you are looking for a poker on the trade channel. Somebody will always log one.
The whole implants falling out on death always annoys me a bit. I was under the impression that it is meant to be random which implants (if any, you might get lucky fall out), but sometimes it seems like it's the implants with the lowest condition that will constantly fall out.
But I think I may be going off topic a bit.
Assimilator
22-03-13, 01:25
I like the idea of a poke machine for up to mid level ranges with obvious negative side effects. It'll help new players with their leveling while still providing an incentive to have a player poke (it's like store weps vs. player built weps... store pokes vs. player pokes).
Ghostface_Speak
22-03-13, 05:10
Log in Tl115 Poke char->apply tape to left mouse button->take care to not log him out
Tadaaa,Auto-Poker,great success.
this setup is public domain,use at own risk
I do not like the idea of poke machine.. after that there should be research machines?
I do not like the idea of poke machine.. after that there should be research machines?
Yes! 249x TL 150 Res. Missions in two mins., please! - and for only 200k ;)
Implantdrop is fine - It should stay this way.
Lucas Kell
22-03-13, 18:51
I don't always log my poker if I'm super busy with something else, but the other day, I was busy levelling an alt, someone offered 50k for a poke, and I logged across. So perhaps if no pokers are logging, you need to offer something awesome!
When you die, I think it should be changed so that the Implants don't pop out.
Count your lucky stars that the GRs reliably resurrect you, and do not loose your runner in the ether!
It would unbalance OP wars when the PPU cannot rez you! "Hey just GR near by and run back ; By the time you get here SI will have gone :) "
Dying hurts. Get used to it.
The main problem is when there is no pokers around, or no one around at all really. This happens quite often at night. If you're on the west coast of the US at 8pm then it is 4am over there in Europe where the majority of people playing this game are. Implants are an essential part of leveling and are detrimental to the process, researching is not.
We have enough pokers in game.
I disagree eith this idea.
The short answer however is that it would kill the poking trade. Therefore, no.
This, exactly. :)
I actually considered the pros and cons of this possibility the other day when I was frustrated after having died, and almost immediately came to the exact same conclusion. The need to re-implant people after death is the only reason we can almost always find someone willing to assist poking us in the first place. It's a subtle but brilliant way for the devs to ensure there will be people willing to have characters with the Implant skill, beyond the rare specialist.
Were we to remove implants falling out on death, your waits to get newly purchased implants put in would become far, far longer than what Spaceshotx7 experienced last night. Not to mention how the tipping dynamic would change for them. o_o;
On the bright side, this post does highlight an opening in the market for a late night poker to earn some tips. Hint Hint. :D
DigestiveBiscui
22-03-13, 20:27
This idea is retarded
Maybe this just helps highlight the issues brought in with 2.2. It used to be that you could afford to spec implant skill as a PE due to the fact you didn't need to spec every single point of INT into weapon lore to be effective. PE's these days are next to extinct but a lot of spies will on spec enough Imant to used what ever the highest Nanite tool they use requires.
2.2 forced everyone to specialise in order to be combat effective.
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