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Dribble Joy
08-06-11, 21:47
Word of warning: This is going to be a borderline rant at the minimum, and if necessary please delete, I kinda need to vent a bit.

So, I work at a factory as an agency worker. Shifts are unknown, could be working all week, a couple of days or nothing for a month, don't actually ever know if I am working the next day until the afternoon/evening before. Inconsistent, makes paying bills iffy, generally kinda stressful.

Anyway. Had an 'informal chat' regarding a full-time vacancy in the stores. Of course there was nothing really informal or chatty about it, it was a full-blown interview in front of the stores manager and the head of the department.

It went badly. Being socially inept, I'm terrible at interviews at the best of times but this was special even for me.

They tell me they will inform me of the decision some point next week after they've done all the other interviews (which us a bit odd since it's now two weeks after the closing date and a week ago I heard I was the only person who applied), so things are already not looking good.

Now for some more background:
As some of you may know and a small number have been witness too, I have issues with making mistakes. Given the rather stressful nature of the complete lack of stability in my life, personal, financial et al. this can push me a bit too far when I mess up too much for my liking. This mostly resulting in punching myself in the side of the head repeatedly. I try to avoid this in a work environment, but then making mistakes at work are worse than messing up tactically in a wargame or making a sandwich or something, so there's a greater feeling of incompetence.

Unfortunately, it hadn't gone unnoticed in an official capacity and a couple of weeks ago the agency representative took me to one side and had a 'little chat' with me about what was causing this 'destructive self-harming behaviour' (despite me feeling most of the time that punishing myself in some manner is quite appropriate at times).
He tells me that since it's not just a work related thing and is apparently a manifestation of stress, to get myself off to my local GP. I don't have one so the agency e-mails me a list of the ones in the area.
The next week I'm at work and an incident occurs that leads to complete and utter rage and contempt for myself, cue the head beatings. At this point I haven't had time to register with a GP.

So today after the interview I get a call from one of the agency staff asking how it went, I said badly.

15 mins later I get another call from another agency staff member telling me that I haven't got the position.

25 mins after the 'chat', the results of which won't be known until next week. Something's odd.

He then asks if it was true I had an 'episode' the week before after the last 'chat' and if I had started seeing a doctor. Yes and No respectively.

He then informs me that because of this I am now considered a Heath and Safety Risk to myself and other employees and I am forbidden to set foot on the company premises until such time as I have seen a GP and a note can be given to them and they can go to the factory and argue a case for me to resume employment. I'm then under no uncertain terms told to go register with a doctor.

So off I go to the nearest surgery and ask to register. They need some documents so I go home to get them.

I come back and discover that you can't register with a GP unless you have valid photo ID.

I don't have valid photo ID.

After a few moments of panic I realise my only way out of this is to renew my driving license. Of course this will take up to two weeks to process and arrive, then I have to wait for the surgery to approve my registration, then I have to book an appointment, then they have to 'sort me out'.

And when that's finally done I might be allowed back to work.

Getting work in the mean time elsewhere?

'Well, why did you leave your last job?'
'I am a danger to myself.'
'I see. Well, thank you for your time, we'll let you know if your application have been successful.'

So it's off to the Jobcentre tomorrow while the time is taken to prove I'm not bonkers in an official capacity.

Of course it doesn't help that the last time I was on Jobseekers still hasn't been processed due to the volunteer work I do and haven't received any payments for it and thus can't apply for housing benefit either.

And it doesn't help that my housemates/landlords have told me that 'they need more space and don't really need a lodger at the moment' and I have until the end of the month to move out.

And it doesn't help that I don't have enough for a deposit.

My only option I have is moving back down south to my parents house almost ten years to the month after failing two degree courses due to other personal problems, with a sack of debt, no experience, no references, no job and fewer friends.

Which would make my failure complete. Flown the nest to start my own life and I can't do it.

I'd probably get taken to court if I left the area anyway since I owe the council in the region of £860.

gamefreak
08-06-11, 22:44
I dunno where you re from, but I'd say go get this ID as soon as possible (tomorrow), then call the GP (which i assume is some sort of psychiatrist) tell them your story and see if they make an exception.
Also maybe try getting a job or apprenticeship in the computer sector.

Dribble Joy
08-06-11, 23:40
GP = General Practitioner, local doctor basically. They deal with all health stuff and/or refer you to specialists.

L0KI
09-06-11, 00:38
I've just read all of your post and if it weren't for the fact that my mrs was yelling at me to come to bed, I would write a lengthy response.

I will write said response in the morning. For now... chill out mate, and get some sleep.

Hell-demon
09-06-11, 01:24
I will write said response in the morning. For now... chill out mate, and get some sleep.

^This.


Also the job market is shit here in the UK and I'm a student too. You are not alone in your problems, remember that. I know it's not nice going on the dole and it's a pain; making you feel worthless but sometimes you got to do it and it motivates you to avoid this shit in the future.

Right now I'm on my summer break looking for work and staying with parents. At 22 I'm reluctant to be living with them as I feel like a burden and I want independence. Yet, I just have to put up and shut up. Things will get better but only YOU can make it better. Just remember you are not alone and this crap happens to everyone, and its becoming more frequent these days.

It could be worse. You could have AIDS.

L0KI
09-06-11, 12:46
First of all, I'm sorry to hear about how your life is going. Really, I don't envy your current situation. I have, however, been there. Well, not there exactly, but close.

I don't know you personally; I've never met you face to face, but I have spoken to you quite a lot, and my impression of you is that you're very bright, and that alone can take you very very far in this country if you push for it.

This is pretty private and personal information that I rarely share, but I figure that only a tiny number of people actually bother to read this forum any more so what the hell.

About eight years ago, I found myself in thousands and thousands of £ of debt. So much debt in fact that I was forced to sell my house and make arrangements with the companies I owed money to. I too, had to move back in with my parents. They love me, of course, but I couldn't help feeling like a burden to them.

The debt took me around 5 years to pay off, and it was bloody hard. At the time, I too had no real experience, no degree and was switching between random sales jobs and other various crappy jobs. I lost my girlfriend of 5 years due to depression, so I'd pretty much hit rock bottom... it was definitely an all time low for me.

Then, a couple of years ago, I thought to myself... I don't have to live like this - I can do something about it. It was around that time I started systematically learning things. Instead of sitting watching films and playing computer games all day, I learned graphic design and Photoshop, Java programming, Linux, and the Android OS, and my latest, the HeroEngine MMO game engine. I put hours and hours into learning these things, and it has paid off.

Two years ago, I created my first website for a friend who ran a company, which earned me a BIT of cash. He then showed the site to business contacts, and that brought in more and more work. I then bought an Android phone and decided to learn the OS, and the Java that sits along side it. I started releasing custom ROMs over at XDA-Developers, and made a lot of money in donations, and combining that knowledge with my web design knowledge, I developed a couple of Android websites - One of which will likely soon be the biggest Android website in the world. I now have a full time contractor role working for an American company, from home in the UK, developing custom Android firmware and maintaining their website. I still take on a number of side projects which bring in extra cash.

All of this was achieved in only two years.

My point is, DJ, you are a very bright bloke. I've read your implant ideas in the past (years ago now) and thought to myself how logical and methodical you are. You have a good understanding of math and game logic, which can easily be applied to programming. Programming is genuinely not as hard as people assume.. it just takes a bit of reading, time and practice. A programmer (degree or no degree) just needs a small portfolio, and can make a significant amount of money making customised systems for small businesses.

Another thing I noticed about you, is that you're a good artist. I was always a fan of your sketches. Maybe you could do something related to that? Turn that into graphic design and design logos for companies.

The key is pro-activity. You're never going to get your dream job by working at factories, etc - and my impression of you, developed over many years, is that you are far, far more capable in life than your average person. Don't settle for working in factories. I have got the job I have now not by being approached, but by me actually doing some work for them for free WITHOUT being asked, then sending it to them as an example.

You say you're socially inept. That may be the case, but it probably comes from a lack of achievement and would probably be easily remedied. I certainly never thought of you as socially inept, even though I only spoke to you through text in a chat box - maybe on Vent once or twice. The fact is, you have a good grasp of English, so have very little reason to feel awkward in what you say to people. Any social inadequacies you have are totally in your head and self-created... they WILL sort themselves if you start to do well in other areas of life.

Finally, regarding the self-destructive, punching yourself in the face issue, obviously that stems from a lack of self-approval. You're not happy with yourself or your situation. In my opinion, you don't need to see a GP, you need a mental plan and a set of goals. Once you start achieving the goals, that will undoubtedly stop. If it doesn't, you're a nutter. At that point you should see a doctor.


I am sorry if any of this post has come across as arrogant in any way; that was not my intention. I wanted to give you a real example of someone being in their worst possible mental state and situation, then bouncing back into their very best situation and mental state in a relatively short amount of time.

I genuinely hope you can help yourself to turn your life around. Good luck mate.


EDIT -

Just had another thought. How are you with Excel, and programs like that? Maybe go and register yourself as a temp at Office Angels or something similar. You can always exaggerate on your CV. Hell, I'd write you a reference.. I have a registered business and business address.

The reason I say that, is that it is very often that larger companies offer temps a full time position if they're happy with the work they do.

Biglines
09-06-11, 13:41
maybe as some help for the future, it is always possible to change perception by presenting the problems you have as excessive perfectionism which result in issues which you are working on, what boss wouldn't want a person that is incredibly motivated to do the best they can.

I disagree however with Loki's statement that you don't need a GP. Well maybe it would be possible to come through it without professional help, but if English healthcare is anything like here in the Netherlands, it shouldn't cost anything, and will vastly improve the process of recovering, as the GP will forward you to a professional therapist. It might seem weird talking to a therapist, but realize that more than half the people in the world (if not more) suffer from mental problems that would be much alleviated with professional help.

If the ict stuff L0ki is talking about is something you would like to do, it is certainly something that you could consider (I don't really "like" programming, but I find that it helps me a lot in dealing with stress, because they are easily definable problems, which can be solved through easily defined processes). It might also be something you could do part time, next to a job that brings in a portion of your bills.

Doc Holliday
09-06-11, 13:47
some good advice here. im impressed.

Loki. nice work. seriously ;)

U forgot the part how u met me and al and life became complete tho. hes getting the itch to play again :) shouldnt be long now ;)

DJ.

Good luck. baby steps. just take baby steps to fix things. fix the small things one at a time then u build up to the bigger picture. i think you need a career change like the guys said. find what you love and do that. dont do somethin cause u have to.

L0KI
09-06-11, 16:07
I must point out that I am not medically, nor psychologically trained. Do not follow my advice about seeing a doctor.

If you feel you need to see one, see one.

I'm just saying that I have been in a mental state which would have been classified as severe depression, and I certainly didn't need a doctor. I needed to get my act together.

Apocalypsox
11-06-11, 04:14
Didn't know you were such a badass, Loki. Nicely done, mate.

DJ, I used to be the same way. I've still got holes in my wall to prove it. May not have punched myself in the head, but I believe the force I put through my knuckles made up for that. I found what was stressing me the fuck out and kicked it out of my life, and then adopted the "I don't give a fuck, but on the inside I kinda really do" mentality. Works wonders.

Anyways, aside from the story, Well wishes to you mate! I hope things go well for you in getting all of this sorted out. :cool:

L0KI
11-06-11, 11:16
DJ, I used to be the same way. I've still got holes in my wall to prove it. May not have punched myself in the head, but I believe the force I put through my knuckles made up for that. I found what was stressing me the fuck out and kicked it out of my life, and then adopted the "I don't give a fuck, but on the inside I kinda really do" mentality. Works wonders.


Good advice :)

Yeah, I was quite the stress head in my early twenties. Doors often had holes through them in my house. I even smashed my car headlamp and dinted the bonnet with my foot one day, when the car started over heating... It must have all become a bit too much for me :lol:

Seroiusly DJ - it's all the same thing. I used to take out my anger on physical objects, and I wouldn't be satisfied until my hand/foot/head(lol) was throbbing. It was an outlet - nothing more. Sure... your outlet is potentially a little more dangerous, in that you're punching the side of your own head.

Mine stopped as my stress levels decreased. Yours will too.


Another thing DJ - most towns/cities have walk-in centres. You don't need ID to see a doctor there... just turn up.