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http://digitallyevolved.net/img/uploaded/69c80f6a6d6ab0fed430a8c9ef882fb0.png
o_O
Hell-demon
30-04-09, 02:43
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O HAI. IM EXPLORER, I EATS UR RAM AND DOESN'T AFRAID OF ANYTHING.
http://digitallyevolved.net/img/uploaded/97563dff621b4c6b9a41112e76230d60.png
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You got something wrong if your exporer is taking 6million LOL
Dribble Joy
30-04-09, 04:56
Bear in mind that show memory 'usage', can include reserved memory. The program isn't using it, and other programs can access it, but it can call it up faster.
Bear in mind that show memory 'usage', can include reserved memory. The program isn't using it, and other programs can access it, but it can call it up faster.
No. It was using it. And enjoying it. It had babies in it. Then it took my computer and said RAWR YOU WILL EAT A SLOW AND PAINFUL DEATH.
O, U R PLAYING FALLOUT?! NOT ANYMORE *kills fallout* LOL EXPLORER PRIORITY PLAY MINESWEEPER NOW!
:( And the drive error happens on other files too...I think its corrupt...I hate my life.
lol windows really suck even with lastest updates it still suck... lol
uninstall daemon tools and then try, my laptop on vista didnt get along with running stuff on daemon atall
Hell-demon
30-04-09, 10:12
And stop spouting memes from 4chan MrTrip.
Lose vista and install XP
Lose Vista and XP - install 7.
Prepare for a shit hot OS.
first mistake: Kicking LINUX
second mistake: Choosing Vista instead
:lol: :D :angel:
Was it already behaving that way when you installed it fresh out of the box?
I will state, for probably the 100000000th time on this forum that I have never, ever had a problem with Vista.
I will state, for probably the 100000000th time on this forum that I have never, ever had a problem with Vista.
Nobody ever really has a problem with Windows until they give Linux an honest try. (installing it then crying because of one small problem doesn't count)
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Also, I agree, get rid of Vista and install either XP or 7. Vista is just ridiculous.
Go buy an apple, NOOB.
Die in a pit of fire.
And stop spouting memes from 4chan MrTrip.
nou
Lose vista and install XP
Thats not Vista, thats 7
Lose Vista and XP - install 7.
Prepare for a shit hot OS.
That is windows 7. It crapped all over me.
Time of this report: 4/30/2009, 13:18:40
Machine name: DIGITALL-VISTA
Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (6.1, Build 7100) (7100.winmain_win7rc.090421-1700)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: System manufacturer
System Model: System Product Name
BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
Processor: AMD Phenom(tm) 9850 Quad-Core Processor (4 CPUs), ~2.5GHz
Memory: 8192MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 8190MB RAM
Page File: 2096MB used, 14282MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
DxDiag Version: 6.01.7100.0000 32bit Unicode
Give it a couple of hours and the next version of 7 should be available for download (unless thats the technet version, which looking at the 7100 it seems to be, don't download from torrents!)
I've been using 7 as my main OS for months now, its fast, stable and is still fast and stable even though 2 gigs of my rams decided to die on me leaving me with 2 gigs of rams left. Only issue I'm having is with kaspersky beta not being nice and taking away all my CPU time, which isn't nice of it, bloody internet, why can't it be full of porn instead of bloody nasty men who want to steal my bank details and have a sex change with my gazillions of zimbabwae dollarz?!
Have you made sure your sata cable is plugged in properly? Memories from vista seem to recall Windows treating them as USB drives "its safe to remove your main hard drive if you push this button... go on... push it... you know you want to... ohh look I'm a shiny button, PUSH ME BITCH!!"
As for explorer taking up 6 gigs of your sheeps, err, rams, don't download from torrents? :angel:
Give it a couple of hours and the next version of 7 should be available for download (unless thats the technet version, which looking at the 7100 it seems to be, don't download from torrents!)
I've been using 7 as my main OS for months now, its fast, stable and is still fast and stable even though 2 gigs of my rams decided to die on me leaving me with 2 gigs of rams left. Only issue I'm having is with kaspersky beta not being nice and taking away all my CPU time, which isn't nice of it, bloody internet, why can't it be full of porn instead of bloody nasty men who want to steal my bank details and have a sex change with my gazillions of zimbabwae dollarz?!
Have you made sure your sata cable is plugged in properly? Memories from vista seem to recall Windows treating them as USB drives "its safe to remove your main hard drive if you push this button... go on... push it... you know you want to... ohh look I'm a shiny button, PUSH ME BITCH!!"
As for explorer taking up 6 gigs of your sheeps, err, rams, don't download from torrents? :angel:
Actually I didn't grab it from a torrent, I grabbed it from work. Got TechNet access there so I grab everything I can there.
7200 is the latest I guess, but I can't find it anywhere.
Chosen One
30-04-09, 21:52
I will state, for probably the 100000000th time on this forum that I have never, ever had a problem with Vista.
ill have to agree on this, Vista is not all that bad.
and another thing, i know like 1 out of mabe 1000 people that use Linux for anything...what is it good for anyway? <--serious question btw :angel:
Actually I didn't grab it from a torrent, I grabbed it from work. Got TechNet access there so I grab everything I can there.
7200 is the latest I guess, but I can't find it anywhere.
No idea what the latest version is, I know technet have had the latest available for a little while. If you have the option to disable IE its the latest version. I'm running 7000, or at least I will be until I can download the latest version, I so hope I don't gotta do a clean install >.<
Actually, if you can't drag and drop a folder into the library to make a symbolic link, then its the latest version (apparently some people got confused thinking the symbolic link was actually a copy so deleted their original folder teehee :lol: )
I don't know what the current RC build number is on the MSDN, it doesn't say. :/
However I've been impressed with Windows 7 when the beta came out a few months ago.
ill have to agree on this, Vista is not all that bad.
and another thing, i know like 1 out of mabe 1000 people that use Linux for anything...what is it good for anyway? <--serious question btw :angel:
Download a Ubuntu ISO and burn it to a CD, and try it in Live mode, where you can see the desktop, and install applications....so long as you have a fair amount of memory. (As it uses your memory as a temp hard disk)
On a machine with 2gig, I manage to listen to a few mp3's and watch a vid over a network share!
Ubuntu works great for general desktop usage. Internet, email, lots of other stuff. You can also play games on it with the use of compatibility layers.
Ubuntu is a great OS, have tested it heavily. Some of its features put Windows to shame.
However, for accessibility & compatability - it's Windows all the way for me.
I have Windows 7 installed on all of my machines, and I think it's excellent.
why people keep bothering bringing up whether windows is better than linux or even mac... there is no way to compare them...
90% of the people would never be able to use linux properly because there is simply too many options, which is why windows is the most successful commercial product.
Mac is great, but does not appeal to a lot of people because of the snobbishness of a lot of their traditional users.
the only thing I've seen with mac and linux users, is that they're the ones that are arrogant and selfobsessed with their oh so powerful and much better OS, while they are accusing Microsoft of doing just that.
Let's face it, if any OS is going to overcome windows as the main commercial and average user OS, it's going to be either MAC or a much better version of linux, in no way is current day linux suitable for common users.
Linux will probably always be the preference of people that want to be in total and utter control of their machines, and be able to customize and tune every little bit of their computer, but for people who think of their computers as a tool to be used instead of a goal in itself, Linux will have to be changed and probably compromised.
So be glad linux isn't mainstream, if it was, you'd probably switch to some other obscure hardcore OS
now I'll go put on some fireresistant clothing for all the flames coming my way
P.S. i have worked on windows, linux and mac, and will use any of them depending on the situation, my main stations will remain windows however, since I enjoy being able to run most apps (oh and i hate vista, purged my new laptop of it after running it for 2 days in hell)
Doc Holliday
01-05-09, 14:10
So be glad linux isn't mainstream, if it was, you'd probably switch to some other obscure hardcore OS
i know alot of people who are of this mindset. its almost like they linux for status quo.
big i have to agree with you. we will fight the flames together :)
This isn't a flame Biglines, but have you used Ubuntu before?
Sure... it's Linux, but it's incredibly easy to use. It's about as user-friendly as an OS gets. It took me hours to get familiar with it all, rather than days!
I see what you're saying though...
Hell-demon
01-05-09, 16:21
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This isn't a flame Biglines, but have you used Ubuntu before?
Sure... it's Linux, but it's incredibly easy to use. It's about as user-friendly as an OS gets. It took me hours to get familiar with it all, rather than days!
I see what you're saying though... i really hate ubuntu and all new ubuntu based distribs they suck so much, they are really to easy to use indeed but they have much less security than a slackware or debian or even mandriva distribs. i've been using fc10 for the last 3 months and i really hate the auto update and i've looked where i could desable this auto update and didn't found. on Mandriva, which imo is the best user-friendly linux, have the mandriva control center which is similar to the windows control panel... very easy to acces it require the root password only one time and then you can mess with what you want. i'm actually downloading the Mandriva 2009.1 and i'm gona install it tonigh...
cheers
Here, we have another of those Hardcore OS types :lol:
I've used OSX on my laptop, a hackintosh, and omg I've never dealt with such a horrible OS in my life, it went on and after a little bit of playing around and finding out it has about as much use as a chocolate dildo in a convent, I took it off and stuck Vista back on (64 bit, top tip of the day! the CD key for Windows Vista x32 works for the same version of x64! its how I got Server 2008x64 from Dreamspark :D).
I would stick 2008 on it, but the install falls over, and Linux doesn't seem to want to support 1280*800 resolution :(
I would stick 2008 on it, but the install falls over, and Linux doesn't seem to want to support 1280*800 resolution :(
that's odd i have a 16:9 screen and it works pretty fine to all resolutions.... what is you gfx card?
You are using a Windows Version, which is stil a beta version.
Using a "beta" means, that you have to expect problems or strange effects.
You are using a Windows Version, which is stil a beta version.
Using a "beta" means, that you have to expect problems or strange effects.
No. Its RC1. No more Beta.
Fail. :D
that's odd i have a 16:9 screen and it works pretty fine to all resolutions.... what is you gfx card?
It's an S3 err Mirage or something, so there isn't the driver support you would get with nvidia, which is a shame. If the resolution isn't set to 1280*800 then you get horrible lines across the screen.
If I get bored anytime soon I'll try 2008 again, that is a cracking OS.
No. Its RC1. No more Beta.
Fail. :Dstill not "final" version and therefore "not ready". You fail too.
still not "final" version and therefore "not ready". You fail too.
Since when has any software been "final" and bug free? Fails to you both. ;)
Hell-demon
02-05-09, 16:45
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Please keep it civil and stay on topic, thanks.
Please keep it civil and stay on topic, thanks.
o_O
I wonder if copbots can get BSODs.
DROP THAT WE- IRQL NOT LESS OR EQUAL.
Hell-demon
03-05-09, 04:54
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Build 7100 is RC1 :)
...and yes, it kicks ass.
if they're release candidates, when is 7 coming out?
it's expected to come out at the end of 2009.
See, now I'm in two minds about RC1. I'm using 7000 so going to RC1 means a clean install, and I'm just so bloody lazy, plus daemon tools won't work still, maybe I'll go back to Vista till 7 becomes RTM :(
See, now I'm in two minds about RC1. I'm using 7000 so going to RC1 means a clean install, and I'm just so bloody lazy, plus daemon tools won't work still, maybe I'll go back to Vista till 7 becomes RTM :(
I'm using Daemon Tools just fine.
Really? They updated the STP err SPT umm, the driver thingy to work in 7 now? :D
I think the Vista one is supposed to work with 7, but when I tried, the installer failed to do it right.
Win7 RC went gold yesterday, still contemplating downloading and giving it a whirl for a while, its just the thought of having to download stuff I forget to back up after a clean install that is bothering me (plus MS put in a "feature" where after a certain date it'll shut down every 2 hours, whats the odds on that feature breaking and it shutting down every 2 hours during a mass hentai session!??!)
Must admit that im impressed with how bad some ppl can make things work for them.
The screenshot of the 6GB mem reservation for explorer.exe, well i havent been able to make it do that no matter how hard i tried, so some kinda stunt must have been performed to to it, like installing weird 3rd party apps or something i dunno. :lol:
A good quote: "No software works or performs better, than the user who deploys it", actually its quite a rule, because in my work ive seen weird things, well not as weird as a 6GB consuming explorer.exe, but weird stuff.
In 99.9% of the cases, the error, malfunction or whatever it is, was fully caused by the user, like the classic scenario where the user double clicks a program icon, then experience the delay of 2-3 secs before he can see anything happen and in those 2-3 secs, he manages to try and start the app several times, causing the computer to slow down and eventually crash.
Next u hear is he blames the computer for being stupid. :lol:
The only weird thing ive come accross in Vista is which seems a bit odd is, that sometimes when installing games, it utilizes almost all of my mem, it shows me that ive got 7454MB utilized of 8190MB.
Usually it takes approx 5mins after the installation before the utilized mem shows up as free mem again.
However the computer runs just as fast as it normally do, so personally i dont give fart what it shows, as long as it works. :-D
Saw someone writing about Daemon tools and vista, i had very bad luck installing it on vista, so i use poweriso instead, its faster and supports more formats and its got contextmenu integration making mounting way easier. ;-)
When it comes to comparing OS's its like comparing cats and dogs, one OS have some advantages on the cost of some disadvantages and vice versa.
It always comes down to the simple equation of possibilities/features vs problems.
For each feature u add, the more useable the system becomes, but also it becomes less safe to errors, and so it goes the other way too. ;-)
Its like driving a car, put a rookie with hardly no training behind the wheel of a Ferrari and let him use the car's full potential, he will most likely crash and burn.
Put the same guy on a moped and he might be able to crash, but he wont get hurt too bad.
So which is the better transportation? and which is better build? The Ferrari or the moped?!?
All depends on what u need and what u expect, by peeling off layers of possibilities u get the simpler and safer solution, BUT also the more limited. ;-)
thats a stupid comparison.
I installed now about 10x ubuntu/mandriva. To people that never touched a PC before (No Joke!).
I try firstly with windows, but there the problems start already. Language. Windows cant switch the displayed language. Multiuser is also a PITA. Its WAY more easy to make ONE linuxpc for 4 People 1 admin (english language) 3 users (Chinese,korean japanese). The easy language switch is a huge advantage for linux.
People that never touched a PC are a bit baffled when they see Vista. IT IS NOT USERFRIENDLY and not ready to use for somebody never used a PC. The programs are all mixed together office with games with chat and so on.
Under linux (gnome) its way more clear, there u have applications then there 5-6 menu`s for the kind of programs like Office Internet and so on. Systemtools its same. Everything is mostly just 2 clicks away.
Installing programs is also much more painless, just type the name and then choose what i want. THAT WAS IT. no google no stupid installshield.
This stuff confuses new users and isnt necessary at all.
Its also way more easy and fast to install :D
I personly use both WIN7 and linux (ubuntu and arch) i like windows 7 personally pretty much.
in a nutshell.
New users (peeps that never had a PC before) are better off with Linux.
i gave Win7RC a try this morning in a virtual machine. I did not discovered that huge usage of memory for the explorer process. All looked fine at this point.
But i dislike it very much, that Win7RC obviously needs 2 primary partitions now. :mad:
Win7 RC went gold yesterday, still contemplating downloading and giving it a whirl for a while, its just the thought of having to download stuff I forget to back up after a clean install that is bothering me (plus MS put in a "feature" where after a certain date it'll shut down every 2 hours, whats the odds on that feature breaking and it shutting down every 2 hours during a mass hentai session!??!)
It doesn't delete your stuff when you install it unless you want it to.
It doesn't delete your stuff when you install it unless you want it to.
It's part of Microsoft's 'Save the Pr0n' movement.
A second installation try resulted in W7 using only one primary partition.
I partitioned the harddisc with Linux before ;)
After installation of W7, i deleted the remaining and recreated them. But when i tried to create a last 4th primary partition, W7 made it being an extended partition with a logical volume in it. That wasn't what i wanted. Windows did not even ask or offer a choice of what kind of partition type i want to create. :( ... Or did i missed it?
Anyway ... it's the neocron forum, not the W7-Forum. Have fun with playing with and discover it ;)
Kalonji Faya
06-05-09, 23:46
I will state, for probably the 100000000th time on this forum that I have never, ever had a problem with Vista.
so do I, not any pb on vista ... why the hell ppl yell at it, if you don't install shit softs and disable UAC, and 2-3 more lil quick tips, vista is a good OS
I saw so many ppl flaming on windows, but they don't configure a server, setup a big network or host anything, they just play and surf on porn sites ... how can you have pbs while doing that ?! :p oh yes : viruses :D
Kalonji
Confucious say, "wise man best to get virus from naked woman on internet rather than get virus from naked skanky hoe who charge £25 for hand relief"
Or at least he would, if he wasn't dead for like 3,000 years, and had the internet, and knew what skanky hoe meant, and £ for that matter, though he was probably a monk so probably was very intimate with hand relief. You think he would have tried to heal a virus on a PC with herbs and stuff? :lol: :wtf:
Confucious say, "wise man best to get virus from naked woman on internet rather than get virus from naked skanky hoe who charge £25 for hand relief"
Or at least he would, if he wasn't dead for like 3,000 years, and had the internet, and knew what skanky hoe meant, and £ for that matter, though he was probably a monk so probably was very intimate with hand relief. You think he would have tried to heal a virus on a PC with herbs and stuff? :lol: :wtf:
loooooooooooooooool
Looks like a Windows 7 and even Vista error. It happens when I have the multimedia card reader enabled. If I disable those additional drives it doesn't try to read them, but why is Neocron trying to read them?
I've used OSX on my laptop, a hackintosh, and omg I've never dealt with such a horrible OS in my life,
care to provide some examples as to what you dislike about OS X? I'm really curious ...
Chosen One
10-08-09, 20:11
care to provide some examples as to what you dislike about OS X? I'm really curious ...
http://www.yodawgyo.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/xzibit-yo-dawg-i-herd-you-like-macs.jpg
care to provide some examples as to what you dislike about OS X? I'm really curious ...
Well, OSX doesn't really have any substance to it, its too much like Gnome, people say "it looks pretty" but it looks pretty dull to me, ok, very dull. We could go on about hardware support, but thats an Apple issue, the only reason the EU won't come down hard on Apple is because of Microsoft. Mind you that could all change very soon. If rumours are to be believed, Apple is about to launch a tablet PC, and lets face it there are not many of them around, which *could* give Apple a dominant market position.
As soon as Apple starts to get a dominant market position, all of their anti-competitive behaviour will be looked at by the EU, the EU will have no choice in the matter.
But I think the problem with all Apple products is that they are pretty much a load of rubbish, and they charge a fortune for them!
The guys that make Mac's, the iPhone, iPods etc.. get paid, wait for it... wait for it... still waiting? £27 per MONTH, for 12 hour shifts, 7 days a week, the only concession that they get is they are allowed to sit down, the people making other Foxconn products have to stay standing, for 12 hour shifts, for £27 a month.
That £27 a month is added to the cost of a Mac, which already uses cheap parts, but is designed to "look good!" and be designer and what not, all style, no substance, all talk no trousers, whatever analogy you want to use.
Apple are also anal in their critisism, if you post on the official apple forums "my mac sucks, it sucks, x sucks!" it gets deleted as "not really a support question" but put "my mac rocks, it rocks, x rocks!" and it gets left on, Apple believe all their products are made by divine providence, and that they never go wrong.
The same goes for OSX, which is basically Unix, well, Darwin with a fancy (bland) UI.
Their "I'm a mac" adverts, what the hell are they thinking? A Mac *is* a bloody PC, it uses PC components, it'll even run Windows, if Linux had a bigger market share then the adverts would be banned in the UK, even though Windows machines are on record as having higher uptime than Mac's (google it).
The iPod, cheaply made with terrible sound quality, but they look nice, and are tied into iTunes, bloatware, if you want an MP3/4 player that has good sound quality, you don't buy an iPod. If you want a mobile phone that isn't just for show, you don't buy an iPhone, if you want a computer that can actually do a shit load of stuff, you don't buy a Mac, you build a PC for a couple of hundred quid and stick Linux on it, unless you want games then you stick Windows on it.
Apple products are for people who believe hype, the sort of people who would suck Steve Job's dick because his man juice is probably designer too, and cures cancer, old age, herpes, internet addiction and makes men irresistible to women, though he's so old he can't add the title "It just works" anymore, its now "it just works, when I take a blue pill".
And don't even get me started on that travesty that is called Safari....
Luckily, Google is a much bigger brand than Apple, so when Google release their netbook it'll take market share from Apple, as well as Microsoft, MS however won't feel the pinch because the Google machine is for niche markets, the same as the Mac is.
tl:dr - I have a penis, therefore I dislike OSX and Apple products :angel:
Linux and OSX are my bitches.
VISTA FO LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(until Windows 7)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hell-demon
11-08-09, 14:22
http://www.yodawgyo.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/xzibit-yo-dawg-i-herd-you-like-macs.jpg
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/f/f0/Macvspc2.jpg
Somes up the mentality of some Mac users.
people say "it looks pretty" but it looks pretty dull to me, ok, very dull.
I dont care about looks. I need to get work done with the system, not gaze at the UI for hours.
We could go on about hardware support, but thats an Apple issue
you have less freedom when it comes to the core components (literally none when talking about mainboard aka logicboard and other some core comps).
However, in terms of peripherals, pretty much all major hardware manufactors provide OS X drivers nowadays. This was an argument way back... not today. In fact, I find it is usually more difficult to obtain hardware (especially peripherals, such as quality scanners, cameras etc.) with 'out of the box' linux support.
the only reason the EU won't come down hard on Apple is because of Microsoft. Mind you that could all change very soon. If rumours are to be believed, Apple is about to launch a tablet PC, and lets face it there are not many of them around, which *could* give Apple a dominant market position.
yes.. but so far we dont know wether it'll be more computer (alike macs, allowing the install of virtually any OS of your liking) or more smartphone (how many smartphones can you name that allow free OS choice?)
As soon as Apple starts to get a dominant market position, all of their anti-competitive behaviour will be looked at by the EU, the EU will have no choice in the matter.
They might be forced to allow the install of OS X on non apple hardware at some poiint - yes... but you cant force them to provide broad driver support. I still believe, that one advantage of OS X is, that it doesnt have to cater for a quadrillion different hardware combos, thus making it more robust.
But I think the problem with all Apple products is that they are pretty much a load of rubbish, and they charge a fortune for them!
They have a hefty price tag and as of recent years have had a drop in quality (no wionder, given the massive expansion and -compared to earlier years- huge numbers they produce now)
The guys that make Mac's, the iPhone, iPods etc.. get paid, wait for it... wait for it... still waiting? £27 per MONTH, for 12 hour shifts, 7 days a week, the only concession that they get is they are allowed to sit down, the people making other Foxconn products have to stay standing, for 12 hour shifts, for £27 a month.
This has absolutely nothing to do with macs. If you want to live with a clean concious of not benefiting from workforce exploitation in asia, throw away each and every thing you own and go on campaigning ... naked.
I dont approve of this either - but again - this is an issue related to the entire industry, not just apple.
That £27 a month is added to the cost of a Mac, which already uses cheap parts, but is designed to "look good!" and be designer and what not, all style, no substance, all talk no trousers, whatever analogy you want to use.
That is simply not true.
Unless of course, you are talking about the budget models.
My MBP and Mac Pro and the XServes I use are rock-solid and feature good design beyond the looks - but the architecture and build quality.
Apple are also anal in their critisism, if you post on the official apple forums "my mac sucks, it sucks, x sucks!" it gets deleted as "not really a support question" but put "my mac rocks, it rocks, x rocks!" and it gets left on, Apple believe all their products are made by divine providence, and that they never go wrong.
ofc they (apple) dont go arround sparking doubts in their own products. they want to sell them. If you want to sell something you talk about the shiny side of things and leave out the dark spots.
Macs have issues. OS X has a number of annyoing bugs
The same goes for OSX, which is basically Unix, well, Darwin with a fancy (bland) UI.
Look at how Apple pushed UI innovation in the past decade and then go back to talk about bland UI blabla
OS X being basically a modified Darwin is a real suprise, considering who developed Darwin based on NEXTSTEP, no?
Anyway... I accept the fact you dont like the look and feel of OS X. No use fighting over taste.
Their "I'm a mac" adverts, what the hell are they thinking? A Mac *is* a bloody PC, it uses PC components, it'll even run Windows, if Linux had a bigger market share then the adverts would be banned in the UK, even though Windows machines are on record as having higher uptime than Mac's (google it).
advertising and marketing are of no interest to me, when it comes to evaluating what sys to work with.
The iPod, cheaply made with terrible sound quality, but they look nice, and are tied into iTunes, bloatware, if you want an MP3/4 player that has good sound quality, you don't buy an iPod.
you forgot usability. thats where apple products usually blow away most competitors. the reason for the initial ipod success wasnt the looks, but the feel and fun and lack of headache. the majority of people using computers, mp3-players and cell phones are not the average nerd who is used to deal with complexity.
If you want a mobile phone that isn't just for show, you don't buy an iPhone, if you want a computer that can actually do a shit load of stuff, you don't buy a Mac, you build a PC for a couple of hundred quid and stick Linux on it, unless you want games then you stick Windows on it.
you *build* a pc? how many people that dont work in the IT business and are past their 30s do you know that would have fun building a pc from parts?
What about if you wanted to use correct quote marks for german, english or french on a Vista or Linux install? (not talking about en-dash, em-dash or the elipsis) How long does it take you to punch in the following glyphs?:
»...« – ‹...› — ’…‘ - “…”
On a Mac this is a matter of few seconds as they are all accessible from the keyboard without having to use ALT+unicode-digits or 3rd party keymappers. This may not be of any use to you or 99% of the common users (who gives a shit about proper written language on the net anyway these days - I' dont) – but, having to set books this becomes an issue.
Apple products are for people who believe hype, the sort of people who would suck Steve Job's dick because his man juice is probably designer too, and cures cancer, old age, herpes, internet addiction and makes men irresistible to women, though he's so old he can't add the title "It just works" anymore, its now "it just works, when I take a blue pill".
I find that a very harsh insult. I've been used to build my rigs from parts for years. My first computer was a C64 with absolutely no software par the basic interpreter. I've used DOS, most Windows versions and had my share of SUSE and Ubuntu on Desktop and still employ Debian for servers.
And don't even get me started on that travesty that is called Safari....
I'd prefer Safari to IE6 or IE7 any day. However I dont use it as Firefox is much more useful for developing and Opera is more convenient for casual browsing.
Luckily, Google is a much bigger brand than Apple, so when Google release their netbook it'll take market share from Apple, as well as Microsoft, MS however won't feel the pinch because the Google machine is for niche markets, the same as the Mac is.
You havent seen the apple or google tablet yet (given they are only rumors so far). Yet you already take sides...
I know there's a lot of apple fanbois our there that have little to none technical understanding and just repeat marketing fubar, however I get the feeling there's also a lot of apple haters (you maybe?) who cant seperate the apple hardware, software and staff from the apple customer base. (which, again, is not as homogeneous as you claim)
tl:dr - I have a penis, therefore I dislike OSX and Apple products :angel:
yeah right :o
(how many smartphones can you name that allow free OS choice?)
dunno what u mean by a free choice, but most new windows mobile based phones allow u to run windows mobile, linux or android, where windows mobile and android are both what you can buy preinstalled at the store
and then the stupid sdk that took months to come out for iphone...
windows mobile, linux or android, where windows mobile and android are both what you can buy preinstalled at the store
Haven't seen many in Germany yet. It's only very very few HTC models that are offered with a choice. Most competitors come with no OS choice at all: Blackberry Bold/Storm lines, the Palm Pre, N/E-series ....
and then the stupid sdk that took months to come out for iphone...
yes... took way too long and the way apple uses its monopoly for iPhone content to squeeze a hefty 30% margin from each and every developers sale. Not to mention the risk of putting weeks into a product and then having them reject your application for no reason. Thats something where they'll hopefully have to open up a little in the future.
This set apart, developing for the iPhone is a pretty comfortable experience - given the fact that you dont have to pretest and debug on a dozen models with different configurations and there is little work to be done on the UI side of things.
When it comes to mobiles, especially windows based ones, there tends to be a lot of choice about what you put on there, all the way down to the basic OS. Somewhere around here I have a windows mobile where its possible to remove Windows and stick Linux on it.
There is also choice of what software to put on it, I'm not limited to one supplier for everything where the people in charge of censorship are inconsistent in their choices. I'm also able to play music on my MP3 player in MP3/WMA/Wav/Ogg etc.. rather than the limited formats supported by the iPod.
Then we get down to Apple treating its users like idiots. Who here bought the latest 3GS? Suckers, Apple is going to be releasing the 4G soon, and oh look, more idiots paid a fortune for the 4G, wait, whats that, the 4GS is out 9 months later when everyone is in an 18-24 month contract? Thats harsh!
It took Apple 3 revisions of its iPhone to offer basic stuff like MMS, and it is *still* not available on the AT&T network in the US, the 1st iPhone lacked features that smart phones have had for years, its only just added the ability to record video.
Apple products are pretty much just sub-par, there are much better alternatives to Apple products, but Apple products are shiny and look oh-so-nice. I'll stick with products where I can change the battery, and without a battery that is increasingly causing Apple products to catch on fire. Though I am waiting for the news story "Fire caused by iPod kills teenager".
Haven't seen many in Germany yet. It's only very very few HTC models that are offered with a choice. Most competitors come with no OS choice at all: Blackberry Bold/Storm lines, the Palm Pre, N/E-series ....
i kinda see most of the htc series as 1 phone, with which you can chose a lot of different things like hardware keyboard, shiny outside, resolution, hardkeys, and os, not many single models that run both indeed.
out of the box, windows mobile sux compared to the out of the box experience of iphone. Then again, the second you want to have a phone you can make perfect for yourself, the iphone sadly disappoints.
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