View Full Version : Neocrons Future ? in who's hands ?
bluelights
27-03-09, 12:47
There have probably been quite a few threads about this, however :-
I just returned to the game last week, being free it was something i could not resist, spent a few hours, reformatting a spare pc and installing everything.
so we know about the situation with kk, and with BP on the horizon (A game that i have absolutely no interest in i might add).
We know where the problem started (the birth of NC2) as NC1 was great.
The question is, what is the future for neocron?
Will we just continue playing until one day the servers have gone, the forum gone and all todo with NC gone up in smoke ?
I for sure would like to see the game continue into the future, possibly with someone else hosting it and even a small fee payable from players to help the costs of the servers.
Kalonji Faya
27-03-09, 13:03
kk won't let NC, as snowcrash said they have plans for the future.
I know we customers would like some things to change but hey, we don't own that game !
We just have to continue to be the community we are : a tiny and invicible community of beer drunkerzz :D
Kalonji
Ghostface_Speak
27-03-09, 13:05
We know where the problem started (the birth of NC2) as NC1 was great.
Naa,NC2 was great.Hell,even 2.1 was a better Game than NC1 could ever be.
It was more advanced,smaller playerbase maybe but that doesnt mean it was
bad at all.
I for sure would like to see the game continue into the future, possibly with someone else hosting it and even a small fee payable from players to help the costs of the servers.
No,im sure you dont want to see this.
If someone else is hosting it and more random people are playing GameMaster,hell would break loose.More creepy guys modifying
the clients would pop out of the ground like filthy mushrooms,no way
to ban them in a proper way...they start to be a problem
even on the retail servers right now.Imagine what could happen
on a fan-based/hosted project.
Im sure we should all stop playing before this will ruin our memorys
Naa,NC2 was great.Hell,even 2.1 was a better Game than NC1 could ever be.
It was more advanced,smaller playerbase maybe but that doesnt mean it was
bad at all.
Wrong. Did you ever play NC1?
Graphically, NC2 is better; granted.
In every other way, NC1 is better. The old avatars made the game feel like a virtual world, with individuality. I'd still gladly swap them for the old blocky NC1 avatars. I'd rather see square headed tanks that look different running around to these weird egg heads we have now.
Power Armours for all classes, and WoC items slowly started killing what made NC1 a great game, in my opinion.
Hell-demon
27-03-09, 13:42
^^Agreed
i agree loki
god i been around since beta 2 Ugggg an back then even though when i died i had to hope some one nice picked up my wepon *was b4 the advent of a quickbelt* i found the game loads of fun even when no one was online things seemed to go smoothly for me :)
the comunity was good also exsample. i had a small clan called ClanKorperate with some mates *though i did not start it* i made arrangments with a clan called essence of evolution we would raid one of there ops for fun no hatred between the clans just some fun for small clan and iff we needed a factory for the bonus i could ask an normaly use one of theres.
seems the game was a lot nicer back in the day now iff i tryed that it would probaly not go so well :)
well that is my trip down memory lane for the day
Doc Holliday
27-03-09, 13:52
nc1 to me was the people. there were things i miss. player models being the most important and none forced specialisation for pa etc but ultimately yes the people who played. that was the shizzle.
nc1 was fucking wicked. gotta say. the only time i hated it all was when the server got too political over clans and the zerg/gla for those who played uranus. the game its self was still awesome.
Wrong. Did you ever play NC1?
Graphically, NC2 is better; granted.
In every other way, NC1 is better. The old avatars made the game feel like a virtual world, with individuality. I'd still gladly swap them for the old blocky NC1 avatars. I'd rather see square headed tanks that look different running around to these weird egg heads we have now.
Power Armours for all classes, and WoC items slowly started killing what made NC1 a great game, in my opinion.
Nc1 in the end was an empty dead and lost game. NC2 made nc come alive again and by all means was more fun.
I still miss the old char models etc but in essence nc2 is better then nc1 ever was.
NC1 was more fun to many of us simpley becourse we hadent played it for 5+ years back then ;)
bluelights
27-03-09, 14:10
Wrong. Did you ever play NC1?
Graphically, NC2 is better; granted.
In every other way, NC1 is better. The old avatars made the game feel like a virtual world, with individuality. I'd still gladly swap them for the old blocky NC1 avatars. I'd rather see square headed tanks that look different running around to these weird egg heads we have now.
Power Armours for all classes, and WoC items slowly started killing what made NC1 a great game, in my opinion.
i agree totally, even prefered the hud, remember in nc2 when they brought in the casting animation !!!!!! dam i hated that.
I to would gladly revert to NC1 and go forward in a diff direction than nc2 did.
and in my opinion one of the biggest mistakes was the use of DOY, it was just to big. good idea, but badly executed.
@Solling
Not to say the advancement to NC2 was wrong, naturally is was the correct direction to go, but it could have been done a lot better with more thought and feedback from the core players
Ghostface_Speak
27-03-09, 15:06
Ya, i was around in NC1 and i totally agree in one point:
the old char models where totally awesome and the nc2 to 2.1
models kinda suck.
but the concept of rareweapons,power armors and such things
isnt really a bad thing.its part of a logical evolution.
if nc would stay that way it was in nc1,forums where full of
pissed people,whining about "we totally neeeed new thingys"
and you sir would be among em.
from what i read here,most of the "good old times" storys here
circle around the fact,that there where A. more people around
and B. other thoughts in the heads of the players back then.
This proofs my point,NC1 was "so ubar c00l" for the most peeps because
there where more people and not that much asshats, who think
they pwn everything on teh server like today.
If you think right about it,still playing nc1 would (beside the char model thing)
suck ass.
I’ve made this point before, and I’ll make it again, now.
In NC1, the best weapons were the rare weapons; those identified by their lovely swirly; to advertise the fact that they were made up of rare parts that have been hunted, collected/bought and built.
With a full set of parts, you had only one chance to build your PvP weapon, then you were back to square one; part hunting again.
Rare parts had a value, some more valuable than others; rightly so, but they WERE the economy.
The introduction of MC5 parts was welcomed by many, my self included. The reason I welcomed MC5 implants was that they were still a set of rare parts; albeit more valuable than their rare equivalents.
Epic rewards were introduced; the weapons available all at a lower TL than the rares, meaning the rare parts market remained in tact.
The introduction of WoC weaponry meant that the bar raised. No longer were the Liberator parts of any value, and no longer was the glorious Wyatt Earp any fun to use in PvP. The introduction of the XBow was the start of the downfall for me. Every pistol PE on the server gave up their setups when setups actually varied. Judge, Liberator, Wyatt Earp, RoLH, BoH, Blacksun, TT Epic Pistol, Slasher & Executioner – all of these were used as ‘Main’ weapons before the XBow. Then, it all changed. This WoC weapon was introduced, which aimed lightning fast and outdamaged (over time) most of the rares. Hence, the birth of the cookie-cutter PE.
More WoC weapons were introduced, further harming the rare part market, until un-ressed rares were commonly being sold at 75k a piece.
Now, we’re in a situation where rare parts are worth around 45-50k a piece, and that’s not even considering the natural inflation of a game like NC, where everybody now has plenty of cash.
A swirly is no longer an advertisement of that persons conquest to build their own weapon. Now it’s almost an embarrassment that that person either doesn’t have WoC, or is using an underpowered weapon.
You call it a logical evolution Ghostface, I called it an illogical evolution. A logical evolution would have been to implement different rare weapons, that were made up of rare parts.
Lore, I don’t think I preferred NC1 just because I hadn’t been playing it for 5 years. I’m no less fond of a good OP fight now than I was when I left NC1 in 2004/5. It was quiet towards the end, granted, but on the Uranus server in particular – politics killed it – not the game itself. I was partly responsible for the server’s demise.
In Neocron 1:
- I was recognisable by my avatar and clothing; and the weapon I used.
- I had to build my weapons, and HOPE for good stats and slots. I wasn’t gifted an all 120 ultra high level gun.
- APU/PPU teams were scary
- All classes were useful. People whined about hybrids and balance, but the fact remains, a great PE/Tank/SPY (Kapow ;)) could take down the “overpowered” classes.
- Pepper Park was the only place people could fight within the city itself (Not including IND) – This suited the area, and made sense logically. Fighting in Plaza 2 just doesn’t make sense to me.
- Some of the weapons looked better. The Cursed Soul that hooked around the shoulder of the tank looked ace. As did the blue rays of the RoLH and RoG.
- All the levelling areas were of use. We didn’t all pile down to Regeants or El Farid to level up. Some levelled at CRP, whilst others were in the caves. Another popular venue was the graves. DJ and her judge were generally located in some desolate sector in the desert, solo killing warbot titans.
I’ve typed so much I’m pissing myself off. Apologies for that.
Power Armours for all classes, and WoC items slowly started killing what made NC1 a great game, in my opinion.
I agree. I remember back then it was good to use weapons such as Judge, BoH, when now it's totally bullshit. I'm sorry to say this but, the balance isn't very 'Balanced' either. What classes in Neocron work the most good? Well the ones that involve setups with a high amount of stats in your main damage dealing skill (ie: HC, PC, RC). What happens to a PE who has a lot of resists and play it low-tech, well, he drops in a few dizzy/FL/even AK shots.
I'm sorry to say this but, the balance isn't very 'Balanced' either.
I'm really glad someone agrees with me on that one.
It's no more balanced than it ever was; it's just different.
Ghostface_Speak
27-03-09, 15:43
Its cool,even on that part i have to agree with you.
But the WoC-Weapon BS came along that hard with
NC 2.2 where everyone (or at least 75%) on the forums was crying
"gimme woc for my class and/or not only the lame bow".
Wasnt just KK´s fault,the bitching Com was involved in that
too.Hell,most of em arent playing anymore because
they didnt like what they get
Doc Holliday
27-03-09, 16:03
I
In Neocron 1:
- I was recognisable by my avatar and clothing; and the weapon I used.
- I had to build my weapons, and HOPE for good stats and slots. I wasn’t gifted an all 120 ultra high level gun.
- APU/PPU teams were scary
- All classes were useful. People whined about hybrids and balance, but the fact remains, a great PE/Tank/SPY (Kapow ;)) could take down the “overpowered” classes.
- Pepper Park was the only place people could fight within the city itself (Not including IND) – This suited the area, and made sense logically. Fighting in Plaza 2 just doesn’t make sense to me.
- Some of the weapons looked better. The Cursed Soul that hooked around the shoulder of the tank looked ace. As did the blue rays of the RoLH and RoG.
- All the levelling areas were of use. We didn’t all pile down to Regeants or El Farid to level up. Some levelled at CRP, whilst others were in the caves. Another popular venue was the graves. DJ and her judge were generally located in some desolate sector in the desert, solo killing warbot titans.
I’ve typed so much I’m pissing myself off. Apologies for that.
So was I (to point number 1. flame pants were copywritten :O)
as for the rest especially the levelling part totally agreed and it was fun to do this. now we are almost forced to team. except in regants which is easy solo.
I never got the chance to play N1.
But I agree about P2, I hate that place.. People running around shooting and zoning all day and the copbots let them do that?
PP makes much more sence.
At this point I don't know whether to believe KK when they say they have future plans for the game or believe that they just killed the game.
Dribble Joy
27-03-09, 18:16
I never got the chance to play N1.
But I agree about P2, I hate that place.. People running around shooting and zoning all day and the copbots let them do that?
PP makes much more sence.
P4/PP1 was just the same as the P2 bollocks, except you had APUs putting down barrels too....
NC1 had a better feel to it, but the gameplay was, as I remember it, horribly unbalanced. Hybrids, tanks (the old CS was insane) and for a while the libby.
While there's issues with 2.2 (APUs, melee, etc.), I still say it plays better than previously.
I'll also still say that WoC hasn't broken NC, you still can use many different weapons, far more than in NC2 and 2.1.
I'll also still say that WoC hasn't broken NC, you still can use many different weapons, far more than in NC2 and 2.1.
Whilst I don't agree that you can use more, I would agree that you can use as many.
There aren't as many possibilities though in terms of character setup. I can't be a melee PE, or a H-C PE and be even remotely viable in PvP.
For that reason, let me re-word it slightly. Excessive balancing and specialisation broke it; not WoC. Sure, the CS was overpowered in NC1, but I could still kill 90% of tanks using it on the server with any pistol I chose to use in that particular fight. Hybrids were stupid, but they were expected to win. If you took down a hybrid, you'd done a great job.
What about the Dissie now? It's beyond belief. Granted, it's a TL 115 weapon, but seriously... the current state is far from balanced.
I still stand by my argument that WoC weapons, and the methods introduced for their acquisition broke the rare parts market, which was, in essence, the economy.
DJ - I have nothing but respect for your opinion, and you personally; I just don't think we'll see eye to eye on this one. Granted; you have played the game constantly since NC1, and have a wealth of experience in testing balance. I'm talking purely from my own observations and experience. I have at least played every version of NC.
Oh - and PP1/P4 was EXACTLY the same old shit, yes. The difference being, you generally had to stray a little further from the zone line to fight than in P2, and the atmosphere was more exciting.
Transformer
27-03-09, 20:43
Everyone just misses pp1 simply because they connect it with nc1. There are no differences between pp1 and p2 at all...(Besides look...i know theres some smart asses on here). I miss it too, but thats because I remember the people i would fight and Neocron was a different game then. Acutally, i think thats the main point everyone needs to realize. Neocron is a different game now. Get over it.
Acutally, i think thats the main point everyone needs to realize. Neocron is a different game now. Get over it.
I'm completely 'over it', but that's not going to stop me voicing my opinion should I desire to.
I'm not saying it should revert back to its former self. It never will.
Someone said that NC 2.2 was a better game, and I disagree, hence my point was made.
Kalonji Faya
27-03-09, 22:10
anyway, there will always be people saying nc1 or 2 or 2.1 or 2.2 is teh best
I just agree on the fact that nc2 is different, it introduces good things, and some others disappeared ...
about woc : woc shouldn't be the way to go, I have a non-woc PE, and everybody told meh that a non-woc PE is shit in PVP ... but with a nice setup, with hours of farming rares doing wbs, and a good csted pain eraser or RoG (dude I love that gun !!) I do really pretty damage ! and I have good con ... so I can fight wc PE's and hold the fight :)
I won't woc my PE, like I won't woc my PPU, and for meh its a cool way to test so many weaps I would'nt have tested if I was woc
Kalonji
ps : bring back holy para :D
just kiddin' :angel:
anyway, there will always be people saying nc1 or 2 or 2.1 or 2.2 is teh best
I just agree on the fact that nc2 is different, it introduces good things, and some others disappeared ...
about woc : woc shouldn't be the way to go, I have a non-woc PE, and everybody told meh that a non-woc PE is shit in PVP ... but with a nice setup, with hours of farming rares doing wbs, and a good csted pain eraser or RoG (dude I love that gun !!) I do really pretty damage ! and I have good con ... so I can fight wc PE's and hold the fight :)
I won't woc my PE, like I won't woc my PPU, and for meh its a cool way to test so many weaps I would'nt have tested if I was woc
Kalonji
ps : bring back holy para :D
just kiddin' :angel:
Lol, I almost forgot about all the "REMOVE PARA" sigs :D
My PE has WoC, but I still have a non-PA RoG setup. I do use the Reaper from time to time though to be fair.
Doc Holliday
28-03-09, 02:01
Lol, I almost forgot about all the "REMOVE PARA" sigs :D
My PE has WoC, but I still have a non-PA RoG setup. I do use the Reaper from time to time though to be fair.
then brother you need a swat rifle. same sort of damage and less dex :)
Transformer
28-03-09, 02:11
and it's not bugged and does damage all the time lol. I got shot with a RoG with four shots, the first 3 did a shit ton of dmg, the 4th gave me full health again. lol.
RoG: The New Holy Heal?
Kalonji Faya
28-03-09, 02:14
RoG is just hard to aim in pvp
but with some wep lore drugz it works well :)
swat rifle is nice but way harder to get then reaper, and they do the same dmg, so I'd use a reaper if I was woc
Kalonji
the problem with "balancing" is that the only way to really balance the game is to give every1 exactly the same setup, or at least close to it. So the default settings are speed over resists, aiming over damage, dissy/ak spies, cs/ionic tanks, pistol pe's
it's not balance, it's monotomy
but then again, at the moment the only two things for which you need a pvp setup is P2 fights and opwars, which means that highly optimized setups for only those two situations are a normal consequence.
sneak attacks in the wastelands are so rare they border on non-existent, driver pvp also non-existent.
so yes, setups might have been more diverse back in nc1, but then again, there were a lot more different ways to play the game back then, now there's a very limited gameplay experience (either pvp in p2, pvp in opwars or farm techs), which is caused not only by the "balancing", but mostly by the lack of population to get diversity
I just came back this week (after hearing the game was free).
I'm surprised NC is still going. I'd love to see Reakktor's finance accounts to see how much this game costs to run. In some ways it might be a good thing if Black Prophecy does well, then Reakktor may have the money to put developers back into NC.
doubt it though :rolleyes:
Chosen One
01-04-09, 15:54
and it's not bugged and does damage all the time lol. I got shot with a RoG with four shots, the first 3 did a shit ton of dmg, the 4th gave me full health again. lol.
RoG: The New Holy Heal?
ROFL! that was with my spy in p2 :p
ya the RoG/"rayguns" in general used to be amazing weapons!
bring back old skool KK :angel:
I just came back this week (after hearing the game was free).
I'm surprised NC is still going. I'd love to see Reakktor's finance accounts to see how much this game costs to run. In some ways it might be a good thing if Black Prophecy does well, then Reakktor may have the money to put developers back into NC.
doubt it though :rolleyes:
seconded. some of us oldschool NC1 players that I went to college with have offered to do work for them for free, but they said no :(
I liked the older style plasma and CS weapon models, but the newer ones are ok too. All my written down info (yes, i wrote stuff down when i played nc1) is still pretty usefull, some of it doesn't exist anymore (armour, weapons, etc) but for the most part it's still as expansive, just now there's more stuff.
The WoC missions/weapons/armour were simply to expand the playability of the game and make people want to stay on, same as moving the factions back to old style, with noone left in DoY, to advance the storyline. Except that now you can actually go into DoY and fight stuff and not look at the map and hae nothing there (who remembers the original NC1 map, with just loads of orange gunk everywhere?).
Chosen One
01-04-09, 19:45
http://www.pophase.de/images/shot0048.jpg
that looks better than the current one ;)
William Antrim
01-04-09, 23:50
I remember opening my boxed set and seeing that map and thinking wow. I think i blu-tacked it to my wall in the end and couldnt wait to get around and see all those places!
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