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SnowCrash
08-08-08, 14:07
As promised I now have the official statement from our CEO Kirk Lenke regarding the situation with 10Tacle Studios filed for insolvency



As many of you probably already know from the ad-hoc news, our parent company, the 10Tacle Studios AG, filed for insolvency on August 6. As the Reakktor Media GmbH is a 100% daughter of the 10Tacle Studios AG, I also had to file for insolvency in my position as CEO of Reakktor Media. Within the next days, the insolvency process will start and an administrator will be appointed.

For Neocron and you as players, this does not affect the server availability, at least for now. Only the support availability will be limited at the moment.

We have worked out several promising solutions to keep the company running, which will be presented to the insolvency administrator. In the best case, these solutions will be accepted and the company will keep running as usual. In the worst case, Reakktor Media will be dissolved, which would likely result in the closure of the Neocron service.

We’ve gone through thick and thin with you during the last six years and it is thanks to your loyalty and dedication that Neocron is still alive today and can still fascinate many players.

I would have liked to address you earlier, but the workload in the last weeks and months since my appointment have made this simply impossible. I did however read your comments and as a direct result, work on a new patch has been started and as you already know, the subscription fees have been lowered. I hope to be able to talk to you again soon, with more positive news. Until then I hope you enjoy your time in the game and with the community.

Whatever may happen in the coming weeks, I’d like to thank you for everything in the name of the staff.

As soon as we have new information, we will let you know.

Regards,

Kirk Lenke
CEO, Reakktor Media


Update:
Kirk has again addressed the community, directly this time, to deliver good news in form of the following official press release.


With regards to the announcement of 10Tacle Studios AG business activity's discontinuation, Reakktor Media, subsidiary of 10Tacle Studios AG, declares that this does not affect the business activity of Reakktor Media GmbH, despite the insolvency, especially with regards to the operation of the MMORPG (Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game) "Neocron 2" and the development of the MMO (Massively Online Game) "Black Prophecy".

You can read his full post right here (http://forum.neocron.com/showpost.php?p=2138543&postcount=113).

james_finn
08-08-08, 14:18
Not the news lots of us wanted to hear, however hopefully not the end of one of the best small developers around.

Here's hoping for the best,

/Delphi

Selendor
08-08-08, 14:25
Our thoughts are with KK employees at this difficult time. Here's hoping you find a way to keep the business going.

Neocron has enjoyed something of a resurgence in recent weeks what with the summer holidays and lowering of the fee, this news reminds us to enjoy the game more than ever. See you all on the battlefield.

Oh, and news that a patch was being worked on? Bonus :cool:

Brammers
08-08-08, 14:26
Sad news to hear, and I do not hope it's the end either. :(

Good luck and I hope your insolvency administrator accepts your solution to keep KK running.

And I hope I speak to everyone here, whether it's the community, the Tech Haven Network or the Prophecy Network, we are all behind you.

CMaster
08-08-08, 14:28
One would imagine that if you have some rescue packages lined up, the administrator would be unlikley to turn them down. Still, it's hard to tell, and there is always the risk that some of KK's IP are worth more without the company than with...

Out of curioisty, who technically owns the content and code in the case of both BP and NC?

Okran
08-08-08, 14:32
Tough times for all at the moment. I too face the possability of redundancy in the next few weeks. I hope you guys find a way to keep it going. Our thoughts and hopes are with you all.

Riddle
08-08-08, 14:37
Having been involved in my early years in practice with insolveny law the first point of call is to keep the company going, this is a marked change in years gone by when it was just wound up.

The administrator if he is worth anything will look at EVERY possible avenue before he liquidates. If there is a viable solution and the numbers stack up he will normally target the company a deadline to reach a defined target. If that is missed then game over.

I wish KK all the best in this very trying time, always a very worrying and stressful process for employees.

i do hope that a way is found to keep KK afloat! Good luck.

Doc Holliday
08-08-08, 16:00
wow. im stunned i really am. never expected this. it will be a sad day if the servers shut down so fingers crossed things will pan out.

i have to ask. will BP end up being closed as well? perhaps the rights to NC will be sold off to another developer?

/me waits patiently for any further news.

Hell-demon
08-08-08, 16:12
Nothing lasts forever.


We have had some good times in NC, and we will continue to till its ending days.
It's very common for games companies to close down, especially mmorpgs. Face of Mankind has closed, Hellgate: London is on it way out too.

What is sad is that generic games get success and our niche and unique game faces harsh adversity.





Plus I bet all the Neocron doom sayers are very smug at this point.

TehGrace
08-08-08, 16:15
We'll their prolly in the worst case going to sell on neocron itself, shutting it down would be a definate waste.

DrRisk
08-08-08, 16:44
*Sighs*

I doubt 10tacle will shut down somehow....

Jaffo
08-08-08, 17:23
why dont we all buy the rights for neocron £1 each.

Necpock
08-08-08, 17:24
why dont we all buy the rights for neocron £1 each.

Or sell the rights to Neocron on ebay, and give the money to charity ^^

Cirith MS
08-08-08, 17:44
It's been a great ride so far over the years. I have been around since beta of Neocron 1 and while I have not played in years I have still tried to follow the progress. I hope truely this does not mark the end of an era and pray that something can be done to keep Neocron running

Skusty
08-08-08, 18:03
Neocron was, and allways has been the best MMO out there. :( Hopefully it will survive.

It's been a great ride all these years. I've made alot of new friends. :)

DrRisk
08-08-08, 18:52
It isn't dead yet silly people

Biglines
08-08-08, 19:01
the ceo even said there's a new patch in the making... which means prolly they gonna keep nc like it is, the very low cost cashcow (yes, running the servers and not giving content is a cashcow, they wudn't run below running cost, therefore it is a cashcow ;))

Necpock
08-08-08, 19:02
It isn't dead yet silly people

Someone can't read ^^

The statement isn't directly regarding the game populations now is it :p

Biglines
08-08-08, 19:07
they are making a new patch

there

Chosen One
08-08-08, 19:07
Only the support availability will be limited at the moment.

ROFL!


Just put out a usefull patch ffs....PLEASE!

Sorry to hear about the CEO and all.

Drop that EVE clone and focus on NC :mad:

Apocalypsox
08-08-08, 19:10
ROFL!


Just put out a usefull patch ffs....PLEASE!

Sorry to hear about the CEO and all.

Drop that EVE clone and focus on NC :mad:

Drop NC and finish the Eve clone Imo, then update NC with a newer engine and everything so it can compete in the modern market o_O

Sad to hear that this is happening. its reminding me of Smiling Gator. I hope 10T can find a way to keep afloat. I don't want to have to go play WoW or something :(

Chosen One
08-08-08, 19:14
its reminding me of Smiling Gator.

Valve bought the rights to Fallen Earth, keep your fingers crossed.

Might be Steams first MMO.

flib
08-08-08, 19:16
Reakktor, if there's anything that the community can do to help, please tell us.


Valve bought the rights to Fallen Earth, keep your fingers crossed.

Might be Steams first MMO.
I thought EVE was Steam's first MMO.

DrRisk
08-08-08, 19:19
No. EVE is an MMO by CCP which can be bought on steam. Valve will be creating their first MMO with Fallen Earth.


And how can the community help? Invest a fuck tonne of cash into the stock market.

Tratos
08-08-08, 19:38
This is very sad to read, i've followed Neocron and Reakktor Media pretty damn closly in the last 5 and a half years of my life and i intend to keep following them when the plans are accepted by the Administrator. :)

Long Live Neocron! Long Live Reakktor!

As stated if there is anything the community can do, let us know!

As an aside, Smiling Gator referenced above were the creators of Twilight War, not Fallen Earth but i think you guys are getting a little off topic ;)

flib
08-08-08, 19:49
Would reactivating more accounts help?

Chosen One
08-08-08, 19:55
This is very sad to read, i've followed Neocron and Reakktor Media pretty damn closly in the last 5 and a half years of my life and i intend to keep following them when the plans are accepted by the Administrator. :)

Long Live Neocron! Long Live Reakktor!

As stated if there is anything the community can do, let us know!

As an aside, Smiling Gator referenced above were the creators of Twilight War, not Fallen Earth but i think you guys are getting a little off topic ;)

Whatever same thing :lol:

There both UPCOMING mmofps's

(Fallen Earth is MORE upcoming then TW)

Edit: Crap im still off topic!

CMaster
08-08-08, 20:17
Would reactivating more accounts help?

It's not going to pull the 10Tacle group out of millions of euros of insolvency if that's what you mean. Of course, a bigger subscriber base to NC probably makes KK look like a more feasible company...

Chosen One
08-08-08, 21:29
It's not going to pull the 10Tacle group out of millions of euros of insolvency if that's what you mean. Of course, a bigger subscriber base to NC probably makes KK look like a more feasible company...

KK and 10acle should pay us to play? :lol:

mendaliv
08-08-08, 21:30
We'll... meet again... don't know where... don't know when...

(cue the credits)

naimex
08-08-08, 21:35
I BELIEVE IN YOU REAKKTOR!

YOU CAN DO IT!


oh and when did this guy get to be CEO?

Think I missed that announcement..

Anyways, I like the direction he's taking.... not the insolvency thingy, but the patch thingy.

A man of the people :D

CMaster
08-08-08, 21:36
Think I missed that announcement..



It wasn't announced, just sorta slipped in quietly.

Chosen One
08-08-08, 21:36
It wasn't announced, just sorta slipped in quietly.

thats what she said.

BlackDove
08-08-08, 21:52
Man, you've still got resources on this thing? I would've cut and run looooooooong ago.

At any rate, not quite the stellar era coming to an end. First cdv plays fuckity fuck, now 10tacle's bust.

I really enjoyed my Neocron 1 experience. I'll remember it until the day I die, it was that good.

Too bad shit had to get ruined. C'est la vie.

CMaster
08-08-08, 22:31
thats what she said.

Quoting the last girl you were with, Chosen?

Prom_STar
08-08-08, 22:55
If the worst case scenario comes to pass--KK has to liquidate--is it conceivable that they'll (try to) sell NC and some other company could pick it up?

Hell-demon
08-08-08, 23:17
If the worst case scenario comes to pass--KK has to liquidate--is it conceivable that they'll (try to) sell NC and some other company could pick it up?

In all seriousness why would another company take it on? What incentive would there be?

Niche market, outdated graphics and bad critical response don't say money maker.

rob444
09-08-08, 00:04
If Reakktor will go down you might as well release the server software &/ source codes right ^^? Sorry to hear about the situation though :(.

Hell-demon
09-08-08, 00:10
Would anyone even make the Neocron we know and play. It's one thing to have the code and software, quite another to rebuild this game with no finance and a software development team.

Neocron might not die. If it does, then it is dead. A unique snowflake gone. We will not see it again, except for the neocron offline demo, and there will be other games to play. New worlds to explore, new people to insult and kill and new memories to be forged.

At the end of the day it is just a game.

More important is the livelyhood of the staff who work for this company and are facing hard times.

sanityislost
09-08-08, 00:24
Neocron was my first mmo and you all got me hooked from day one. wish you
guys all the best and hope somethng can be worked out but thank you for help
turning me into the twisted online game junkie sick fuck i am today. :)

SiL ..:..

Hell-demon
09-08-08, 00:35
Neocron was my first mmo and you all got me hooked from day one. wish you
guys all the best and hope somethng can be worked out but thank you for help
turning me into the twisted online game junkie sick fuck i am today. :)

SiL ..:..


It is settled then - let neocron burn so we have no SiL clones. :p

PaIn_EaSeR1337
09-08-08, 01:51
We'll... meet again... don't know where... don't know when...

(cue the credits)


hahaha, winner !

Selendor
09-08-08, 02:23
Having recently attempted to get into Age of Conan, and previously Eve and Dark Age of Camelot, coming back to Neocron every night reminds me of all the little things they got right with the game, from the citycoms to the op war system, the atmosphere of the city to the vehicles and power armour designs.

The only thing that really went wrong in recent years was the netcode / clipping problem, which is now just an accepted part of the combat experience.

I would miss Neocron sorely if it were to end. Lets hope for the best. :cool:

Sharper Blade
09-08-08, 05:06
If neocron does get shut down, sell it tbh

trip-trew
09-08-08, 05:33
If reakktor is going under can you guys at least release the source code and/or a server so the community can keep the game alive.

I have a 10000/1600 connection if theres a server released I can buy another 2 lines and bond them for a 20000/3200 connection.

Im sure I could fit a far amount of clients on there.

And it would be free of course with the option to donate. (for my server If I ever end up hosting one)

IceStorm
09-08-08, 09:21
Aw, c'mon! I just got my four monitor setup working:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2239/2745464819_a556530407_b.jpg

CMaster
09-08-08, 12:09
If reakktor is going under can you guys at least release the source code and/or a server so the community can keep the game alive.

I have a 10000/1600 connection if theres a server released I can buy another 2 lines and bond them for a 20000/3200 connection.

Im sure I could fit a far amount of clients on there.

And it would be free of course with the option to donate. (for my server If I ever end up hosting one)

You got a nice little nest of computers too? Cos I can tell you, Neocron sure as hell doesn't run on one box.
Edit: That's not to say that it wouldn't be nice. But I can't really see it happening. I suppose, if the administrator decides to liquidate the company, and you could make a cash offer for the NC server code and a liscence, they'd say yes (after all, no game devs in their right mind would buy NC). They aren't going to waste their time giving it away.

sanityislost
09-08-08, 12:31
It is settled then - let neocron burn so we have no SiL clones. :p

lol twat xD

SiL ..:..

ROZZER187
09-08-08, 13:22
guttered :(

Drake6k
09-08-08, 14:39
Best of luck to Neocron <3

PaIn_EaSeR1337
09-08-08, 15:14
[ Edited ]

tigah
09-08-08, 15:42
Maybe they could convert NC to the first contribute-to-play MMO on the market ;)

Awww well maybe not the first one: http://www.planeshift.it/ ;O At least the most successful then

Asurmen Spec Op
09-08-08, 16:25
Aw, c'mon! I just got my four monitor setup working:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2239/2745464819_a556530407_b.jpg
Jesus Christ
If I had 4 monitors....

Hell-demon
09-08-08, 16:31
4x the porn!

Asurmen Spec Op
09-08-08, 16:33
4x the porn!
Oh god, 4 monitors of porn, and a 32mbits down connection...
pron...overload

That didn't take many posts to derail a serious thread, I'm so proud of myself.

Hell-demon
09-08-08, 16:52
with some help off me.

Lodar
09-08-08, 17:18
Back on topic please.

T'Pol
09-08-08, 19:00
Is there any info on what might happen to the rights on NC? Maybe a possible Open Source Project?

Biglines
09-08-08, 19:24
lol, why do people assume nc is gonna die? it's the only thing bringing in money for KK afaik...

zii
09-08-08, 20:23
NC won't nessecarily die. Now, if I could have some nice printable A3 posters in English... Please. Then I can out those up.

Lexxuk
10-08-08, 01:54
Passing by, as usual (I <3 you Sil) and read this, so it reminded me of something.

Way back yonder, Nevrax went bankrupt, they created Ryzom. Some people decided that they wanted to save Ryzom so started an OS initiative to buy the rights to Ryzom and open source it.

Someone out bid them (naturally), but from having a look here (http://www.virtualcitizenship.org/page/project_actions) it would appear they are still looking for an MMO to open source. Who knows, maybe they would be interested in buying KK, then they would OS NC and the space game thingymabob.

Peace, Love and Out (typical, I was thinking of coming back too... damn insolvency....)

LeFae
10-08-08, 03:20
Oh god, I hope that all goes well with this insolvency. While things do seem crappy, there are chances that this could work out. Hell with one of the plans you propose you may end up kicking ass and chewing bubble gum (without the gum even!); with Prophecy helping to do this xD

To be honest, with all it's bugs and everything else; NeoCron has always and will always have a soft spot in my heart and really be my favorite of mmos. If only for the fact that is it certainly the most original that I have ever played; and with the best class ever even! (The rigger <3)

I am curious though, NeoCron where to be discontinued. Is there any way that it would be made available for others to use (or buy)? Because in all honesty, it deserves much more than to just disappear into nothingness while some random person sits on the files and just leaves them to rot. I know the saying that all good things come to an end... but meh. Its worked out for other games so why not this?

Well, good luck on this and I expect KK to stick around for a LONG TIME to come :P
-LeFae

RAB
10-08-08, 10:43
Oh bolix. Go away for a few weeks and...

I know what we all want but 'realistic' long term view is dismal now I'd predict.
Enjoy it while it lasts.

I mean how much money does Cron actually make after all costs? Is it 'that' viable? Especially with population as it is now!

IF it lasts (short term) I would expect a lot of cost cutting, i.e. jobs :( etc.. how will that effect support? hardware?
IF that happens will that not put the whole project on a slippery slope down to nothingness?

Hmmm. :( *sigh*

Wait and see I guess. Best of luck.

Someone should buy the code and make a oblivion like version of cron. :)

Hell-demon
10-08-08, 14:12
Oblivion sucked.

DrRisk
10-08-08, 14:52
amen to that

RAB
10-08-08, 16:10
Oblivion sucked.

lol. I only meant in the open ended, single player, character development way! lol

*dusts off xbox360 again*

Necpock
10-08-08, 19:09
What also makes me laugh that every Neoclone (neocron inspired game "project") has also gone to pot. I can name about 5 at the top of my head.. perhaps its cursed ^^

Hell-demon
10-08-08, 19:14
All I can think of is face of mankind.

What others have there been?

Asurmen Spec Op
10-08-08, 21:11
All I can think of is face of mankind.

What others have there been?
After playing FoM I learned something:
Player driven open MMOs are fucking TERRIBLE. You can't trust players in a MMO to know the right direction, we are a bunch of morons.

flib
10-08-08, 21:31
After playing FoM I learned something:
Player driven open MMOs are fucking TERRIBLE. You can't trust players in a MMO to know the right direction, we are a bunch of morons.
We would probably be kicking ourselves if we actually brought NC1 back I bet.

CMaster
10-08-08, 23:19
We would probably be kicking ourselves if we actually brought NC1 back I bet.

The lack of stuff to do, massive increase in crashes and all the hackers would probably take the sheen off it, yes.

Hell-demon
10-08-08, 23:36
Yeah and it cost more.


Credit crunch, people.

Setlec
10-08-08, 23:40
in the worst case scenario is it possible to release the NC code? as the arts and stuff like that?

Hell-demon
10-08-08, 23:55
I think that would get sold if it was needed by someone and i doubt it would be cheap.

Doc Holliday
11-08-08, 14:22
The lack of stuff to do, massive increase in crashes and all the hackers would probably take the sheen off it, yes.


despite the stigma attached to it now circa summer 2003 was absolutely the best time i had. you didnt need woc etc. the crashes were accepted and there was always continual fights everywhere and people didnt whore safezones except for pepper 3 which was generally good fun for a while till another op fight appeared or someone declared it was time to go play at cycrow.


the only downside was the monkocron that followed. even tankocron before that was more fun. especially when a private eye who could play would rape half the tanks on the server because they were so badly set up. it was a joy to be low tech rifle.

CMaster
11-08-08, 14:39
despite the stigma attached to it now circa summer 2003 was absolutely the best time i had. you didnt need woc etc. the crashes were accepted and there was always continual fights everywhere and people didnt whore safezones except for pepper 3 which was generally good fun for a while till another op fight appeared or someone declared it was time to go play at cycrow.


the only downside was the monkocron that followed. even tankocron before that was more fun. especially when a private eye who could play would rape half the tanks on the server because they were so badly set up. it was a joy to be low tech rifle.

I don't doubt that it was quite possibly the best time to be playing the game. Populations were higher, the game was still relativley novel to a lot of people, etc etc. I strongly suspect that releasing NC2 and forcing everyone to buy and transfer was in retrospect a bad idea. What I do think is that actually just reverting to NC1 is a bad idea. I don't believe that the game was inherrently that much better (and certainly think it would be a bad idea to revert back) and I do know that the last reports from the NC1 server were that there were some pretty serious hacks going on - holy/holy hybrids etc.

Asurmen Spec Op
11-08-08, 16:01
We would probably be kicking ourselves if we actually brought NC1 back I bet.
I agree, *insert analogy about nostalgia*

Rambus
11-08-08, 18:33
Aw, c'mon! I just got my four monitor setup working:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2239/2745464819_a556530407_b.jpg


...

http://www.g0dsoft.com/forum/screens.jpg

I win (Epen = mine)

Hell-demon
11-08-08, 19:41
Whats wrong with just 1 monitor?


Why 4?!


Think of the money spent. It could of been spent on cancer research.


WE WOULD HAVE A CURE BY NOW!

CMaster
11-08-08, 21:11
Whats wrong with just 1 monitor?

For gaming? Absolutley nothing, although I will admit dual monitors in Supreme Commander is funky, but not honestly much more useful than a minimap.

However for doing work? So many things. Two monitors lets you transfer from one program to another easily, to develop two things in tandem, or to have inspiration/reading material on the second display.

Rambus
11-08-08, 21:11
The two 22" ones were rejects going to the dump- hand repaired with 22 cents worth of capacitors by myself.

So ... I only really bought two?

(Also note all four run on the same computer!)

P.S. If I die of cancer now, It will be karma

EDIT:
@CMaster- exactly, I don't actually use my rig for gaming. I'm developing 3d software and it is super nice to have each of my three dev environments be open at the same time for reference and smooth work flow.

TheRaven
12-08-08, 11:22
So what does this situation mean for the development of Black Prophecy.....?

Hell-demon
12-08-08, 14:26
KK and all it's assets may have to be sold. It would mean, in the worst case scenario, that Black Prophecy does not see the light of day.

Both Neocron and BP will be shut down.

However, there may be a chance for KK to keep running independently based on neocrons finances, the companies finances and how developed BP is.

Moustik
12-08-08, 14:40
I really hope this turns out well :( this must be a difficult time for all the people at KK ...

Just reactivated my account about 2 weeks ago, and really want to play again for a long time. Even if the game is old now, all the bugs NC is the best MMO ever, i played lots of MMO games and only NC give me so much fun

TheRaven
12-08-08, 14:57
Well this certainly is very bad news!
I haven't been playing Neocron for a long time know, but even after all these years NC still is the best MMO I've played so far. It would be a shame if servers were forced to close down.
Thinking about reactivating though...might be the last time I'll see the Plaza's again....

I wish the devs and everyone else at KK all the best! Hopefully they can come up with a solution!

CHA0S
12-08-08, 16:02
Hopefully someone will be able to win the lottery and splash some cash to KK

wishful thinking


Anyway i wish all involved a happy solution


Just PLEASE dont let Neocron die and be gone forever


All The Best


C.

Deno
12-08-08, 16:23
Damn this is really bad news. I go away for 5 freaking days and this is the news I get to welcome me home. Although my head keeps reminding me that the companies not likely to simply go under and dissappear, my heart tells me this could be the beginning of the end for Reakktor. Anyway, hope everything is sorted out and the company can keep hanging on for a bit longer, I really wanna see BP - be a shame if it wasn't released.

Hell-demon
12-08-08, 17:12
Game industry is now less about innovation and more about money :(

Apocalypsox
12-08-08, 19:19
From some things i've heard, BP is looking pretty good and in a playable stage, so hopefully KK can get some funding from publishers based on that and stay afloat.

Hell-demon
12-08-08, 19:51
Or it gets sold in the liquidation process and someone else develops it.

DrRisk
12-08-08, 22:58
Hope to whoever you pray to that it does not get developed by EA

naimex
13-08-08, 00:37
Hope to whoever you pray to that it does not get developed by EA

could be worse...

could be developed by SoE :eek:


i can see it already...

no visible skin on the prostitutes, the bukakes texts on the whores gets replaced with cream cakes, and you will be able to use your dexterity modifier to dance ballet...

OMG!!!

That's what happened when the NCPD started doing ballet..... SoE was bidding on NC !!!!


ARRRGH!!!!!!

Sharper Blade
13-08-08, 01:43
If EA develops bp we will be playing football in a spaceship lol

Tupac
13-08-08, 09:23
sell it to blizzard lewlz

MotorMike
13-08-08, 13:52
if they have to shut down the company they shlud make NC Open source :D

Doc Holliday
13-08-08, 13:57
If EA develops bp we will be playing football in a spaceship lol


if ea developed it the best thing you can say is at least it would survive and grow.

hopefully they wouldnt ruin it too much with changes. perhaps like whats been done with bf2. they let dice do the programming and balancing and there is a future patch on the way. 3 years on and its still more popular than alot of titles released after it too. good for an fps.

Hell-demon
13-08-08, 14:52
Join EA and we can have Neocron 2008, 2009 etc

Riddle
13-08-08, 15:02
10tacle fallout spurs new studio Games Distillery (http://www.openpr.com/news/50756/Fresh-spirit-for-the-downloadable-content-market.html) and on another note GTR servers (http://www.gameindustry.com/ih/item.asp?id=1791) went backup after a deal is done.

Let's hope KK get a result which will please us all !

CMaster
13-08-08, 15:26
Everybody clamouring for Open Source NC - it's not going to happen.

Why? Because I'm pretty sure that it would break the law. The administrator's first duty is to the crediors of the company he is dealing with (alhough these days there is a lot of focus on saving the company too). This means that the admin has to make money back wherever possible - there's almost never enough to pay back all the cereditors, otherwise they wouldn't be in insolvency.

This means that to do anything that costs money, beyond meeting legal obligations or will have an immediate pay-back is completely out. To release open-source neocron would cost a fair amount of money - somebody's time to assemble all the necessary components, document it, provide a license, web host it etc. It also relies on the people involved accepting that neocron has no sale value whatsoever - although that much probably is true.

On the other hand, if things do turn for the worse and KK gets liquidated, I think a player consortium really could buy the game - I don't for the life of me see anyone else bidding for it.

Nice idea though.

aKe`cj
13-08-08, 17:50
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Riddle
13-08-08, 18:14
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Bad taste tbh, a lot of people have had their world turned upside down, with layoffs and those left behind in a very uncertain position.

aKe`cj
13-08-08, 18:38
c'mon... If you knew me, you'd know I am celebrating for a reason - I just wanted to give someone else the chance to release the detailed news himself :)

Looks like Nid went the wrong direction as well... think about other motivations for posting such a picture :)

http://www.pcgames.de/?article_id=655697

CMaster
13-08-08, 18:50
Doesn't say how said future is secured mind - alhough I can imagine a few ways.

Dog Soldier
13-08-08, 18:56
c'mon... If you knew me, you'd know I am celebrating for a reason - I just wanted to give someone else the chance to release the detailed news himself :)

Looks like Nid went the wrong direction as well... think about other motivations for posting such a picture :)

http://www.pcgames.de/?article_id=655697


Cool.


As a point of interest, read the comment at the bottom of the page. Seems that this guy likes Neocron, but was put off by the 25 Euro client price.

aKe`cj
13-08-08, 19:06
Doesn't say how said future is secured mind - alhough I can imagine a few ways.

Yes - it will be interesting to hear about this when the situation permits info to be given on that topic. Still - not knowing how - I think these are great news. :)

Of couse, other studios were hit very hard (I've heared from a couple of artists that their studios have closed, months of payment missing etc. pp.) and there is reason to treat the issue with given thought towards those people... but still - for us it's great news

Nidhogg
13-08-08, 20:39
Like I said in my PM, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt by not just temp banning you. ;) A bit of a clue would have helped.

N

Hell-demon
13-08-08, 20:50
Is Neocron saved?

Can I tell the orphans? Little Jimmy wants to know if he can level his tank. That and where his real parents are, but he cares more about neocron would you believe it.


edit: Damn global economy (http://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/12/rumor-ncsoft-to-shutter-austin-studio-reassign-tabula-rasa-to/)

Nidhogg
13-08-08, 20:59
I cannot comment on anything other than what is shared directly on this website. We'll of course keep you informed as much as we are able.

N

Biglines
13-08-08, 21:05
For those that don't know german (a large portion of the players i assume), a shortened translation:


BP is going to be further developed, NC2 is gonna be supported in the future too!

NC2 is gonna be further continued, BP is still in development, this statement was today released by KK to the press (in germany I suppose). The Insolvency issue of 10tacle is not going to influence NC2 and BP in any way.

Both games are secured, what happens to the phantasy game Elveon is not known.

Apocalypsox
13-08-08, 21:11
For those that don't know german (a large portion of the players i assume), a shortened translation:

That is definetly interesting. Thanks for the information there

Hell-demon
13-08-08, 21:17
But that statement is just from KK. Has the liquidator come around, had tea, played BP and fucked off?


We need more than just a snippet.

Riddle
13-08-08, 21:24
Ok, aKe`cj i owe you an apology :angel: sorry thought you had a different meaning ! Good to read the german translation as i have no grasp of language :( lets hope we get an official announcement as soon as there is something concrete.

Kirk Lenke
14-08-08, 00:24
With regards to the announcement of 10Tacle Studios AG business activity's discontinuation, Reakktor Media, subsidiary of 10Tacle Studios AG, declares that this does not affect the business activity of Reakktor Media GmbH, despite the insolvency, especially with regards to the operation of the MMORPG (Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game) "Neocron 2" and the development of the MMO (Massively Online Game) "Black Prophecy".

Best // Kirk

Brammers
14-08-08, 00:26
Woot, nice one KK!

P.S. Welcome Kirk to the forums finally! :p

StevenJ
14-08-08, 00:34
Best // Kirk
You sly dog!

Welcome, and nicely done :D

Tratos
14-08-08, 00:34
Positive news! :) Good to see you here Kirk :D

Does this means Reakktor is now once again a company in its own right or merely that the Insolvency process is still going on but no changes to Reakktor's projects will be made during this time?

i.e. is there still something hanging in the balance or are we all clear? :)

james_finn
14-08-08, 00:37
Very very positive news! Made my day much <3 to ReaKKtor

Nidhogg
14-08-08, 00:42
Best // Kirk
We're in capable hands. Thanks, boss.

N

Riddle
14-08-08, 00:43
Fantastic News!

I honestly would be gutted if i could never log into NC again, strange that..... after 5 years, I, probably like the rest of you, have formed a connection with what other people would just call a "game", NC is more than that always will be.

Lets hope this will spur on Rekktor with the succesful launch of BP and a sexy new patch for NC2:D

flib
14-08-08, 00:53
This is terrific news!

I believe that this calls for an ingame celebration. Anyone with a nice apartment care to host a party? (I could do it, don't have much in the way of awesome apartments though)

Moustik
14-08-08, 04:12
Thats GREEEEAAAAAT news :angel:

KK rules :D


This is terrific news!

I believe that this calls for an ingame celebration. Anyone with a nice apartment care to host a party? (I could do it, don't have much in the way of awesome apartments though)


I have a BD epic appt, should be big enough :p

flib
14-08-08, 04:18
Sweet, it's settled then.
Party at Moustik's tomorrow at 10:00PM GMT?

Apocalypsox
14-08-08, 04:20
I'd hit it.

Moustik
14-08-08, 04:26
mmm, i really would love to, but the problem is that i live in Japan and tomorow 10PM GMT means, Saturday 7AM for me...

L0KI
14-08-08, 11:05
Excellent news ReaKKtor :)

DrRisk
14-08-08, 11:57
Well we all cheer and throw our hats in the air but how are KK actually go about things from now on? *Awaiting more press releasenessness*

Anna Finster
14-08-08, 16:35
\o/

*cheers*

danmalone
14-08-08, 17:15
Best // Kirk

Yaay :D

Good Work and thanks! :)

DrRisk
14-08-08, 19:42
You know a real badass CEO makes a forum account to just type that out. restecpa

naimex
14-08-08, 20:48
woohooo :D

Doc Holliday
14-08-08, 23:42
nice.

honestly i was worried but it seems that things are moving in the right direction.

i signed up for the beta too and was actually hoping to have a nose around bp for sure. its got my interest even though i never played a space sim in my life.

thanks also to biglines for the english translation. i gathered something good from it but couldnt be sure as to what.

Drake6k
15-08-08, 02:33
yay :D

Nytewolf2k7
15-08-08, 04:40
No.... I never thought this would happen, I've been wanting to try this game again for years, finally got back in a year ago :( Just hope it doesn't affect the game too much, even though its already been stated that it might not.

Marx
15-08-08, 07:30
Free with browser/ingame ads. Takes time and patience to set up, finding the companies or advertising firms to rope in taking most of that aforementioned time.

Would probably be a better model for the game at it's current point. The population would rise because people love free shit, and guerilla advertising would actually benefit NC at that point - rather than make it look like an 'el-cheapo' venture.

Nothing new being said, just saying it because it could use a repeat or three.

flib
15-08-08, 09:33
No.... I never thought this would happen, I've been wanting to try this game again for years, finally got back in a year ago :( Just hope it doesn't affect the game too much, even though its already been stated that it might not.
Good news, there's good news. Read the following post for it:
http://forum.neocron.com/showpost.php?p=2138543&postcount=113

.hack//sign
19-08-08, 14:09
glad to hear it!! maybe I will come back again :D

Biglines
26-08-08, 13:07
as can be seen here (http://wiki.techhaven.org/Servers) which is edited by hoder, the test server has come online to test the new patch! not sure how long this usually takes, but sounds promising doesn't it?

Brammers
26-08-08, 13:23
as can be seen here (http://wiki.techhaven.org/Servers) which is edited by hoder, the test server has come online to test the new patch! not sure how long this usually takes, but sounds promising doesn't it?

It says "Active before patch release"... It doesn't say it's now active for testing a new patch. (Although it would be cool if they are testing a new patch!)

nabbl
26-08-08, 13:52
as can be seen here (http://wiki.techhaven.org/Servers) which is edited by hoder, the test server has come online to test the new patch! not sure how long this usually takes, but sounds promising doesn't it?

I wish that could be true :-)

Hoder
26-08-08, 14:23
Sorry to disappoint, but Brammers is correct. I was referring to any general patch. Please don't assume a timescale from an encyclopaedia article.

/edit: article reworded

james_finn
26-08-08, 15:13
Sorry to disappoint, but Brammers is correct. I was referring to any general patch. Please don't assume a timescale from an encyclopaedia article.

/edit: article reworded

As Hoder has said even if an edit on the wiki is done by a member of Reakktor, it should not be taken as read that it is an official comment, as a wiki can be edited by anyone and so anything which could be an official comment could be changed easily. Also no company in their right mind would make official comments through a community system like a wiki.

The wiki is just a collection of community information.

/Delphi

Biglines
26-08-08, 17:10
hmpf, just let me hope will ya


but k, ill leave the announcing :P

BiTbUrGeR1981
27-08-08, 03:58
with this updated news ill come back to neocron and will help KK get a little bit more independent for the situation of 10tacle!

mainly for my lovely game neocron and not for bp... i hope that the neocron servers be online until the time as they exist...

neocron was a unique game for me that i missed a long time, and i love to remember for my first steps on the beta 4 servers and the start of the retail... never again a game had bonds me so mutch...

mfg BiTbUrGeR

PS: Sorry if my english is bad, i dont need my old english very often :>

Doc Holliday
27-08-08, 09:39
with this updated news ill come back to neocron and will help KK get a little bit more independent for the situation of 10tacle!

mainly for my lovely game neocron and not for bp... i hope that the neocron servers be online until the time as they exist...

neocron was a unique game for me that i missed a long time, and i love to remember for my first steps on the beta 4 servers and the start of the retail... never again a game had bonds me so mutch...

mfg BiTbUrGeR

PS: Sorry if my english is bad, i dont need my old english very often :>


lol hello again bitburger. yeah you should come back. bring the other guys too.

Joker69
29-08-08, 02:22
This goes out to everyone that enjoys Neocron:

Reakktor needs the peoples support more than ever as you may already know. According to the greater community and all the people that once did play Neocron, this game is still in their blood and want to come back but they are waiting on new content or additional support to fix those annoying bugs. Unfortunately, realizing that there will not be any additional content, they do not return. However, right now, we do need them. Reakktor needs them, Neocron needs them. It is up to us players to repopulate the servers or Neocron will definitely be... no more. The best game, I feel, will be gone. Myself, as well as many other players around the globe, would not like to see this unique game dissappear forever.

If we repopulate the servers, maybe we has the player population can stir up enough motivation to keep these servers alive. Then perhaps with some third party advertising payments, we may one day get what we the players have been asking for several years.... a new neocron, same concept, better graphics, new platform and fewer bugs.

Until then, we need to convince the developers that Neocron cannot die.

D31C1D3
29-08-08, 07:50
Neocron is an ownage game and needs to stick around in one form or another

Dave_ThePe
11-10-08, 16:06
Can't really believe this.

Neocron was my first MMO and if it does goes then it will be a very sad moment for me.

I'm glad you put together the free play package.

Maybe one day we'll see a Neocron 3 (I never thought I would see the day that Fallout 3 would be released) anything is possible.

Trilaac
03-04-09, 14:03
Neocron was my first MMO too... happy days :D

So what is the situation exactly? KK are losing money/shutting down and NC is going with them?

Nidhogg
03-04-09, 14:26
So what is the situation exactly? KK are losing money/shutting down and NC is going with them?

Uhm, no (http://www.blackprophecy-game.com/)? :p

N

L0KI
03-04-09, 14:36
Neocron was my first MMO too... happy days :D

So what is the situation exactly? KK are losing money/shutting down and NC is going with them?

I take it you didn't check the dates?

I lol'd anyway.

Nidhogg
03-04-09, 14:49
Let's put this thread out to pasture before it causes any confusion.

N