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what came frist the chicken or the egg ????
HAHA damn I just answered this on another forum too. :p
Here's my post:
I'll pick up from what [name] hinted at with evolution and such... err as a list I guess or it would be a damn essay:
single celled organisms - split to reproduce ->
somehow multiple cell organisms appear - they either split off a part or exchange chemicals to trigger such ->
larger conglomerations of celled organisms - more complex parts split off and more complex exchanges of chemicals and small parts to trigger it ->
highly complex organisms - grow portions for the sole purpose of said portions splitting off and almost universally need portions of another organism of the same kind but 'opposite sex' ->
By now that list can be said to be up to any sexually reproducing creature, including chickens. What it says though is that neither was first in fact if you go back far enough the chicken and the egg are actually the same thing. It only appears that one had to come first but they both gradually evolved alongside each other organism/zygote evolving in tandem.
If it's a creation thing then the whole question is a pointless exercise.
i only asked a simple question and you answer it with somthing that confuses the fuck out of me ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
lol
LOL :D
bitch this 'no all caps' shit is annoying! look at the line above. :/
Dribble Joy
22-08-06, 02:01
The egg you monkeys.
There were eggs around well before chickens evolved.
The egg you monkeys.
There were eggs around well before chickens evolved.But were there chicken eggs around well before chickens evolved?? I think not! (but you are right)
Just for DJ -
What came first the "Chicken" Egg or the Chicken-
Both- The first chicken was inside the first egg. Therefore both :p
Na. some weird animal similar to a chicken...Would have laid the egg and that egg would have been the next step in evo so. The Egg i suppose.....
Still both :p
Dribble Joy
22-08-06, 02:05
I am aware that the chicken egg was the intentional object for discussion....
I am aware that the chicken egg was the intentional object for discussion....
Sorry thought didnt realise you was acting so.... So..... Whats a gentle way of saying this..
http://www4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~msrex/images/how/idiotic.gif
I now u was joking, but im bored
You nibbish... look do I have to explain it again?
Ok so we have some critters that have eggs. Say they are frogs. Frogs do some weird shit and leave eggs all over the damn place and their eggs are mostly gelatinous. But soon those frogs were, um, alligators. Alligators bury their eggs on the rivershore and as far as I know alligator eggs have soft shells (along with sea turtles and shit). Now I don't know the lines of evolution too well but that is a decent reptilian example. So along come some strange creatures that grow feathers instead of scales... silly fucking things (you're gonna be food soon!)
So then those reptilian things (no chickens didn't come from fucking alligators!) develop a need to keep their eggs warm, the damn idiots. So we have fucked up reptiles with feathers incubating their eggs. What's next? Chickens is good.
So what do you got? Chickens laying eggs. Wait did you think some special shit happened like god made the fucking chicken that way? Sorry... it's just a natural result of evolution.
Again; if you are gonna say 'god made them that way' then you have no place in this discussion... obviously they both appeared at the same time. ;)
what are you talkling about god made us all
we are all one with each other bah bah bah and that crap
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
obviously they both appeared at the same time.
which i may point out was my point :)
+ Napper your comment is not trued tbh :p - ITS A LIE! ALL LIES! . . . .Dam dude. i hope no1 from NC is going to SHU uni, (Sheffield Hallam Uni)
dude i didnt even go to uni
i want to catering collage
i is a chef
Apocalypsox
22-08-06, 02:54
dude i didnt even go to uni
i want to catering collage
i is a chef
*makes a note of this*
ITS THE EGG YOU TWATS! if you think about it, the egg is truly there before the chicken because a chicken DEVELOPES inside a egg, it isnt just magically there. it is just yolk before it fully developes.
which i may point out was my point :)Yeah I know but I described it, you just said "It Is So!"
*makes a note of this*
ITS THE EGG YOU TWATS! if you think about it, the egg is truly there before the chicken because a chicken DEVELOPES inside a egg, it isnt just magically there. it is just yolk before it fully developes.
Behave its just a bit of fun and you have ruined it now *starts crying*
Apocalypsox
22-08-06, 04:22
LoLz! Apoc is ze wihn! Wherez mai cookeh!
In nature, living things evolve through changes in their DNA. In an animal like a chicken, DNA from a male sperm cell and a female ovum meet and combine to form a zygote -- the first cell of a new baby chicken. This first cell divides innumerable times to form all of the cells of the complete animal. In any animal, every cell contains exactly the same DNA, and that DNA comes from the zygote.
Chickens evolved from non-chickens through small changes caused by the mixing of male and female DNA or by mutations to the DNA that produced the zygote. These changes and mutations only have an effect at the point where a new zygote is created. That is, two non-chickens mated and the DNA in their new zygote contained the mutation(s) that produced the first true chicken. That one zygote cell divided to produce the first true chicken.
Prior to that first true chicken zygote, there were only non-chickens. The zygote cell is the only place where DNA mutations could produce a new animal, and the zygote cell is housed in the chicken's egg. So, the egg must have come first.
solid-rock
22-08-06, 08:52
Briliantly put ^^. Fuck the idiots who say both came first. Even if you do wanna call what is inside the egg something it would be a a chick or chicklet not a chicken witch whas the subject of discusion.
Now whats next on the agenda? The meaning of life? Cus i figured that one out at age 15. Ill only tell you if want it though cus it tends to piss religius people off.
Everyone comes from the ball.
Prior to that first true chicken zygote, there were only non-chickens. The zygote cell is the only place where DNA mutations could produce a new animal, and the zygote cell is housed in the chicken's egg. So, the egg must have come first.Damnit you're right.
edit: Nothing I say makes sense this morning. :(
It's a question that has baffled scientists, academics and pub bores through the ages: What came first, the chicken or the egg?
Now a team made up of a geneticist, philosopher and chicken farmer claim to have found an answer. It was the egg.
Put simply, the reason is down to the fact that genetic material does not change during an animal's life.
Therefore the first bird that evolved into what we would call a chicken, probably in prehistoric times, must have first existed as an embryo inside an egg.
Professor John Brookfield, a specialist in evolutionary genetics at the University of Nottingham, told the UK Press Association the pecking order was clear.
The living organism inside the eggshell would have had the same DNA as the chicken it would develop into, he said.
"Therefore, the first living thing which we could say unequivocally was a member of the species would be this first egg," he added. "So, I would conclude that the egg came first."
The same conclusion was reached by his fellow "eggsperts" Professor David Papineau, of King's College London, and poultry farmer Charles Bourns.
Mr Papineau, an expert in the philosophy of science, agreed that the first chicken came from an egg and that proves there were chicken eggs before chickens.
He told PA people were mistaken if they argued that the mutant egg belonged to the "non-chicken" bird parents.
"I would argue it is a chicken egg if it has a chicken in it," he said.
"If a kangaroo laid an egg from which an ostrich hatched, that would surely be an ostrich egg, not a kangaroo egg."
Bourns, chairman of trade body Great British Chicken, said he was also firmly in the pro-egg camp.
He said: "Eggs were around long before the first chicken arrived. Of course, they may not have been chicken eggs as we see them today, but they were eggs."
The debate, which may come as a relief to those with argumentative relatives, was organized by Disney to promote the release of the film "Chicken Little" on DVD.
Source: http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/05/26/chicken.egg/
Supposidly, the egg came first :)
I'd say the Chicken. Since it can have ben evolved from an another species and then the Chicken Egg came after the Chicken. ;)
I'd say the Chicken. Since it can have ben evolved from an another species and then the Chicken Egg came after the Chicken. ;)
But the chicken must have been in a chicken egg - a chicken in an egg - to be a chicken. Therefore the egg came first.
I follow the percentage theory....
Something which is 9.99999999[insert as many 9s as you like]99999% chicken lays an egg which is the next form due to either the "almost chicken" doing something or have some random mutation/has some lovly radiation hit it causing the offspring of the almost chicken to be a chicken as that 0.00000000[the same amount of 0s as 9s]00001% is added creating a little yellow balloony thing which was 100% chicken based yellow mush which is in an egg. Leading to the chicken egg coming before the chicken.
solid-rock
22-08-06, 12:23
Thats exactly what system said just simplified.
Who cares? They're both delicious ;)
The chicken came first, with an egg in it.
N
/edit - my belief is that this is not a scientific question, it's a philosphical one.
The chicken came first, with an egg in it.
N
/edit - my belief is that this is not a scientific question, it's a philosphical one.
I TOLD YOU ALL! *claps wildly and running around in circles*
solid-rock
22-08-06, 14:16
Its neither my dear niddy. Its meant as an usolvable riddle but in the end it is just a stupid question.
Its meant as an usolvable riddle but in the end it is just a stupid question.
Like I said, philosophy. :p
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RogerRamjet
22-08-06, 22:42
I came before both of them, tbh.
I came before both of them, tbh.
lies roger lies
solid-rock
22-08-06, 23:27
Like I said, philosophy. :p
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Damn mods always wanna be right dont you :P.
Scaramanga
22-08-06, 23:28
the egg came first then grew into a chicken.
What laid the egg was not a chicken.
This is called evolution.
NONONO YOU IDIOTS TEH GAMMA RAYZ HIT TEH EGG ANZ MADE DAH FIRST CHICKAN! DAH EGG WAZ FURST!
Do I dare post that? Sure why the hell not.
Sooooooooooooooooooooo Wrong 1t Was Zee L337 Sauce Fr0m Zee Sun ????????
solid-rock
23-08-06, 09:12
the egg came first then grew into a chicken.
What laid the egg was not a chicken.
This is called evolution.
When are the smart alecs gunna stop repeating whats already been said, so this silly thread can die?
But what was inside the Egg was a essential a Chicken... So wouldnt it have been created the same time as the Egg... Or in the "Animals" wound, Have been technically created, then a Shell built around it?
It depends on your definitions of "chicken" and "chicken egg."
And your relative speed for "before."
solid-rock
23-08-06, 11:46
But what was inside the Egg was a essential a Chicken... So wouldnt it have been created the same time as the Egg... Or in the "Animals" wound, Have been technically created, then a Shell built around it?
Dosnt depend on anything. What you get out of the egg (and thus what whas inside of it before it came out.) Is not a fully grown chicken but a chick. And were not asking "what came first the chick or the egg".
I came before both of them, tbh.
my gf came before me..........
Its meant as an usolvable riddle but in the end it is just a stupid question.... just don't mention crossing roads :rolleyes:
the chicken came first to make the egg... mhmm hot sweet chicken luv
solid-rock
23-08-06, 13:32
I give up. This question whas answered on page 1.
But wait !!!
Ok the first, "next generation chicken" came out of an egg. But the egg itself cant be qualified a "chicken egg" since no chicken existed prior to the egg creation.
Clearly that egg cant be a chicken egg.
So the animal had to come first, then lay eggs of his race.
Oh, and the first chicken ever shouldve been battered, and fried. Such a waste of good tasting food.
They came at the same time, tbh.
Scaramanga
25-08-06, 18:26
When are the smart alecs gunna stop repeating whats already been said, so this silly thread can die?
Soon.
Soon.Sooner than you think. :lol:
solid-rock
25-08-06, 18:36
Maybe if i ask Nid nicely he will lock it :P
Mighty Max
25-08-06, 19:16
The chicken egg problem is so obviously to solve:
The egg was first. You can find billions of petrified eggs (Flints ;) )
But have you ever seen a stone in the shape of an chicken?
:angel:
MM that doesn't make any sense to me... whatsoever... Your home planet was red wasn't it?
Mighty Max
25-08-06, 19:27
erm yes ... lol ... you know im much slower in forgetting what i thought then i am in typing it down ;)
Homeplanet? Dunno, sometimes im not really sure.
Eg first
Then Chicken
and THEN the Mc Nugget
I have spoken
Prior to that first true chicken zygote, there were only non-chickens. The zygote cell is the only place where DNA mutations could produce a new animal, and the zygote cell is housed in the chicken's egg. So, the egg must have come first.
But until the mutations have occured, it's not actually a chicken in there, so it's
not a chicken egg. The second all the mutations are done, and that zygote is
a chicken zygote, it's also a chicken egg. So they came at the same time, right?
/me shoots retr0n 10 times with the flak cannon and yells 'Thou shalt not prolong the discussion!'
Now that I've learned something today !
Could someone tell me the meaning of life ?
If there is one...whatever the, "what is the meaning of life" means, as I don't understand the question entirely!
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