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alright.. im fucking tired of getting 5-10 FPS, when theres more than 5 ppl near me.. So, new computer is needed :D
The parts i have thought about getting (well my geek ( :p ) friend have told me are good) are:
Abit - AN8 32X, nVidia nForce4 SLI, GLAN, 8 Channel Surround Audio, 6xSATAII RAID, Firewire, SLI Dual PCI-Express VGA, OTES Passive NorthBridge cooling, Dual DDR400, Socket 939
AMD - Athlon64 X2 3800+, 2.2 GHz, Dual Core, 2x512KB Cache, E4 Stepping, Socket 939, Bulk (x2)
Kingston - 2x1024 MB PC3200 DDR400 - KHX3200AK2/2G (HyperX)
Maxtor - 200,0 GB – SATA300 (Fluid) - 7200/8196KB cache, Native Command Queuing (NCQ) - DiamondMax 10 QuickView (x2)
XFX - GeForce 7900GT XT (Overclocked), 256MB GDDR3, Dual DVI, TV-Out, HDTV, PCI-Express
Btw i dont know shit about computers so go easy on me ey? ;)
My question is, are this any good for NC? all i really want is to get some nice performance in NC, and to be able to play some of the newer games on the market..
Oh and im gonna use it for work too, mainly Photoshop
and finally, sry for my crappy english :lol:
(x2) on the processor, you are planning on getting 2 of them? Why? The AN8 32X is a single cpu mobo.
The graphics card... GT XT... that doesn't make sense to me the GT is nVidia's high end, the XT is the low end... maybe search up some reviews on that card (and specs)
Erm, I think that setup will play NC just fine. ;)
guess thats just me being stupid/tired about the processor.. ;)
hmm about the graphics card.. dunno, thats what they call it in the shop im -->prob<-- gonna use.. :rolleyes:
well im wondering if it would be able to play other stuff too.. like Oblivion or something like that (again, i REALLY dont know much about hardware ;) )
hehe but im gonna check up on the graphics card tommorow, when im a little more awake :angel:
Yeah it will play Oblivion just great. My bro's comp has um an AthlonXP 2400+, 768MB ram, and a GF7800GS (not as good as what you have there) and my sister plays Oblivion on his comp at max settings. So I think you'll be fine.
alright.. im fucking tired of getting 5-10 FPS, when theres more than 5 ppl near me.. So, new computer is needed :D
The parts i have thought about getting (well my geek ( :p ) friend have told me are good) are:
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That setup will eat NC2 alive. NC2's requirements for really good FPS are at most half of the power you're getting yourself.
Powerpunsh
17-08-06, 01:59
i wont buy a AMD atm.
The price performance ratio of the new Intel core 2 duo conroe Processors are much better. I read i some forums/websites that juast an overclocked E6300 conroe (the cheapest one, 189euro in my local shop) as much as fast as the AMD Athlon FX-62 works(this CPU costs in my local shop 800euro!!!).
maybe another harddiskdrive? im not a good friend of Maxtor. have bad experience but nvm.
(x2) on the processor, you are planning on getting 2 of them? Why? The AN8 32X is a single cpu mobo.
Ever heard of the AMD X2 dual core series? no?
now you have... :)
....concerning the intel vs amd topic. Both have pro's and con's.
I prefer intel for mobile computing and AMD for my gaming rack ...and I wouldnt give too much about what you read on the internet about this topic... depending on the review and test-procedure you end up with 20 different conclusions in 10 articles. :lol:
AMD vs Intel ~= TradeNC Battles
Powerpunsh you noodlehead the FX series go up to FX-59 AND they are 'old' tech, the price is high because of availability and production cost. Compare the cheap conroe to an eqivalently priced dual core AMD if you want to run comparisons. Also aren't you the Intel fanboy from another thread? Now I'm not defending AMD but depending on your budget the price/performance ratio seems to switch back and forth as you go up the scale and the 'top dog' usually doesn't stay on top for long (at least in recent years)
ermedit:
Ever heard of the AMD X2 dual core series? no?
now you have... :)Yeah I have... he also has (x2) after the hard disk selection and unless the dude is schizo I figure that (x2) means getting 2 of them. Besides he already replied confirming what I thought. :rolleyes:
get an am2 motherboard =]
oviously with am2 cpu :P
just because its 940 pins dont mean u can put a non am2 cpu in it ^_^
mhmm what are u willing to spend? get ddr2 because its just 10000000x better =] preferably the high end ddr2 =\ dun have to go mad for the cpu...
everything seems to need more memory nowerdays :S and it seems ddr2 is realy REALY cheap which is nice
go for lesser hdd's raid'd unless u realy need em =\ i mean a 400gig raid.. what are u gona put on em :P
What's your budget?
What country are you in?
Here in the USA, I'd choose the following:
$247 - Retail Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 (http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80859)
$195 - DFI Infinity 975X/G motherboard (http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=246514)
$189 - Geil 2GB DDR2-667 kit, 1.8v (http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=85002-31) (DDR2-800 is available for $10 more (http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=85002-54) if you plan to OC)
$285 - MSI Radeon X1900 XT video card (http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=321985) (after $100 rebate)
$ 78 - Western Digital 250GB SATA II Hard Drive w/16MB buffer (http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=101220-12)
I'd suggest ordering a PSU off ATI's Crossfire Certified (http://www.ati.com/technology/crossfire/buildyourown2.html) list as well. I chose a Coolmax CW-650T. So far, it's ok. My case (Lian Li PC-60, I think) isn't cut out for Crossfire (not enough front-to-back airflow), so I'm replacing it with a Thermaltake Armor Jr. (http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/product/Chassis/midtower/armorjr/vc3000_index.asp)
I would recommend an Intel Core 2 Duo over anything AMD has to offer at this time. The E6400 sits between the X2 5000+ and the FX-62 (http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2802), so you'll be in good shape. The E6600 is still a bit pricey at around $380 street. With the E6400 overclocking llike there's no tomorrow (mine's at 2.66Ghz stock voltage/stock cooling), there's little point to the E6600's higher price at this time.
You can lower the above prices a bit by going with P965 Express boards, but then you'll be stuck with a single video card (no Crossfire support in P965 Express). The P965 Express chipset also leaves out legacy IDE support (Parallel ATA). This wouldn't be so bad if SATA optical drives were more available, but they're not yet.
My own setup (see signature) plays F.E.A.R. and FarCry smoothly at 1600x1200 with all the goodies maxed out. :-)
FX-62... damn me for not reading more carefully. Ok Powerpunsh you're off the hook then lol. The FX series always were overpriced though...
Powerpunsh
17-08-06, 03:10
Ice? is it save to overclock? i got a E6600 and im not sure. Got the boxed cooler. I mean my temp is at 57 °C now and i already overclocked on 2527mhz. :p
Ice? is it save to overclock?No guarantees, but so long as you stick to stock voltage, it should be ok. The stock retail cooler is quite good.
I mean my temp is at 57 °C nowWhen idle? That's way too high. I replaced the stock thermal interface material (three strips of grey stuff) with some non-conductive XTC Nanotherm (no longer available, but something similar should be fine - thin layer, translucent-looking! More != better). I hit 60C under full load, 40C or so at idle. If you're at 57C while idling, I'd replace the TIM before doing anything else.
I pushed my E6400 up to a 333Mhz FSB (same as Woodcrest Xeons). That's where I stopped. The only problem I had was that ATI Tray Tool interfeers with gaming operation when the CPU's overclocked. It also doesn't work with F.E.A.R. (overclocked or not), so whatever it does is problematic. I run it to set my refresh rates on boot, then turn it off.
Powerpunsh
17-08-06, 03:32
i can switsh the overclocking in % on my MB. im working at 107% and if i go on 110% my PC restarts if it try to load windows. Im at 2569mhz now. 56°C idle. But my Fan just work on 1240rpm. i had him on 3000rpm, but the way i did it doesnt work anymore.
edit: u got a way to use both cores for Neocron?
i live in Denmark (everything is VERY overpriced..) :mad:
well my budget is about what the parts i have listed cost.. heh i think its about 1000£ its gonna cost me, here in denmark.. :(
about the overclocking on the graphics card, its overclocked from the manufactor, so there IS garantee on it :D
EDIT:
shit Icestorm, thats i bit pricey in Denmark.. well the parts i can find is :lol:
only parts i could find where the "Intel Core 2 Duo E6400" and the "MSI Radeon X1900 XT video card" and allready there its gonna cost about 600£..
hehe maybe i should just get the stuff imported from USA lol
My bro's comp has um an AthlonXP 2400+, 768MB ram, and a GF7800GS.
What motherboard is he using to use that kind of graphics card??
It's an AGP card... his mobo is some HP generic thing.
Dargeshaad
17-08-06, 19:33
This is what I have ordered (except the case):
CPU:
Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 (http://www.edbpriser.dk/Listprices.asp?ID=216461) - 1713kr
CPU Cooler:
Scythe Ninja PLUS SCNJ-1000P (http://www.edbpriser.dk/Listprices.asp?ID=185242) - 300kr
Motherboard:
Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 (http://www.edbpriser.dk/Listprices.asp?ID=217379) - 1139kr
RAM:
OCZ Enhanced Latency Dual Channel Platinum XTC Edition (http://www.edbpriser.dk/Listprices.asp?ID=201361) - 1825kr
GFX:
BFG GeForce 7900 GT OC (http://www.edbpriser.dk/Listprices.asp?ID=194214) - 1898kr
GFX Cooler:
ZALMAN VF900-Cu (http://www.edbpriser.dk/Listprices.asp?ID=197129) - 185kr
HDD:
WD Raptor X WD1500AHFD (http://www.edbpriser.dk/Listprices.asp?ID=177642) - 2015kr
PSU:
Sea Sonic S12-430 (http://www.edbpriser.dk/Listprices.asp?ID=146330) - 678kr
Case:
Antec Performance One P180B (http://www.edbpriser.dk/Listprices.asp?ID=203301) - 999kr
OR
AeroCool ExtremEngine 3T (http://www.edbpriser.dk/Listprices.asp?ID=196759) - 880kr
But then again, I expect to OC this computer to the max while still being super silent ;)
There are a lot of reported issues with the GA-965P-DS3 and OCZ memory. Part of it may be attributable to the rather high voltage the DIMMs are programmed for. The DDR2 standard is 1.8v. The DIMMs are programmed for 2.1v.
<Tim>Ah warned ewe!</Tim>
And I gotta ask: Are you putting a window in your case, or something? What's the point to a clear sided hard disk when there's no window in the case? :-)
The Thermaltake Armor Jr. (http://www.edbpriser.dk/Listprices.asp?ID=205160) comes with a window option and has an optional bracket that positions the hard disk right up against the window so you can see it in operation.
I read reviews and looked into both the Antec and the AeroCool cases you've listed. The Antec has case cable routing issues and Crossfire cards weren't going to fit well. The AeroCool was a bit better, but Crossfire is cooled front-to-back so a 25cm fan wouldn't help me much.
In the end, it's the ability to move the 3.5" drive bays into the 5.25" space and fit two 120mm fans, along with the 120mm exhaust fan, the repositionable power/3.5" drive bay, and the bottom 5.25" drive bay that all combined to have me choose the Armor Jr. over the other two.
What's the point to a clear sided hard disk when there's no window in the case? :-)OH! That's pretty neat actually.
OH! That's pretty neat actually.While I won't disagree, it cuts the MTBF number in half compared to the metal unit (warranty's the same, though), and I see no point if there's no way to see the drive in operation. :-)
It's about a $30 difference in price between the clear one and the metal one over here.
u got a way to use both cores for Neocron?Not that I'm aware of, but NC runs just fine on one core. :-)
Dargeshaad
17-08-06, 20:03
There are a lot of reported issues with the GA-965P-DS3 and OCZ memory. Part of it may be attributable to the rather high voltage the DIMMs are programmed for. The DDR2 standard is 1.8v. The DIMMs are programmed for 2.1v.
<Tim>Ah warned ewe!</Tim>
And I gotta ask: Are you putting a window in your case, or something? What's the point to a clear sided hard disk when there's no window in the case? :-)
The Thermaltake Armor Jr. (http://www.edbpriser.dk/Listprices.asp?ID=205160) comes with a window option and has an optional bracket that positions the hard disk right up against the window so you can see it in operation.
Woops meant the WD Raptor WD1500ADFD 150 GB, as to the issues with the DS3, then you're completely correct that it defaults at 1.8V and that it might be an issue for RAM that uses more by default, which is why I have an old no-name 256MB DDRII 1.8V block waiting to be used as start-up RAM and then notching the voltage in the BIOS up ;)
While I won't disagree, it cuts the MTBF number in half compared to the metal unit ...Oh yuck. I buy WD drives exclusively for reliability... kinda defeats the purpose. Here's to the day WD pull an IBM and I have to again look elsewhere or go SCSI...
I buy WD drives exclusively for reliability...Heh. They ALL fail - Hitachi, WD, Seagate, Maxtor, Fujitsu, Samsung - I've had drives from all of them fail at one point or another.
For a dedicated gaming box, half the MTBF wouldn't be an issue for me. My gaming box is off if I'm not gaming.
Heh. They ALL fail - Hitachi, WD, Seagate, Maxtor, Fujitsu, Samsung - I've had drives from all of them fail at one point or another.Well I'm not in IT so I don't have the opportunity for hands-on experience with all the different brands... and I'm not into being a guinea pig either... I just went by testimonials on storagereview.com and picked up WD drives after that, none have failed yet of 6 of them so...
Well I'm not in ITWho's talking about IT? This is my personal experience. I've been building/modifying PCs for the past 14 years. My first hard disk was a college-provided 40MB 1" high 3.5" WD IDE. We Stackered those POSes and got ourselves up to around 70MB usable space!
In service right now are:
WD 74GB Raptor, main box
Four 250GB Hitachi 7K250 in RAID5 (one failed a month ago after 2 yrs of service)
One 250GB Hitachi (in the gaming box as a test)
One 320GB WD SATA disk (standing by in the gaming box)
One 80GB? 160GB? Something like that in my "upgraded" ReplayTV 5040
SIx 120GB WD disks in software RAID5 (four are rebadged Dells and one is dicy, but I don't know which so I just let it be) on my fileserver
One Fujitsu 18GB 10K RPM SCSI (MAJ3182MP) for boot on my fileserver.
An original 40GB Maxtor (the first 40GB 7200 RPM disk they made) in the Sun Blade 100 (been off for about 18 months now)
Then there's the box of disks, including another 18GB Fujitsu, a 36GB fujitsu, a couple 18GB WD Vantage SCSIs (didn't know WD made SCSI drives, did you?), an 18GB IBM 10K RPM SCSI, a 40GB 1/3 height Maxtor (original ReplayTV disk), A 30GB original ReplayTV 2030 disk, a 20GB Quantum Fireball, a 1.6GB WD Caviar, a 525MB Fujitsu, a 10GB WD Caviar, a 20GB Caviar (that may be in a system - that one died four days after I bought it. seized right up), a 15GB Seagate (orignal Sun Blade 100 disk), and probably several more I can't remember off the top of my head.
In the "dead disk, no warranty" box are an 80GB and 120GB Maxtor. The 120 was an RMA'ed disk for an 80 that died about two years after being put into service.
for a budget gaming rig
Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115005) $203.00
Gigabyte GA-945P-S3 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128015) $92.99
pqi TURBO 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 667 (PC2 5400) Dual Channel Kit System Memory (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820141211) $174.99 (-$30.00 Rebate)
SAPPHIRE 100154 Radeon X1800XT 256MB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102007) $199.99
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD3200KS 320GB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822136003) $99.99 (-$10.00 Rebate)
This setup will not be king of the hill, but will play any and all games out there with good fps. It should be good for at least 2 years before new games make it outdated
Who's talking about IT? This is my personal experience.Heh I didn't say you were, just that I wasn't. :p
I've been building/modifying for 7ish years... but my budget has always been rather tight.
edit: Good god man that's a lot of HD space one and extra drives two... I don't have any sitting around at all either they are in service or in the case of the dead deskstars in a landfill somewhere (I didn't want to replace unreliable drives with more of the same so fuck the warranty)
Bredahl, using the pricing engine Dargeshaad provided (http://www.edbpriser.dk/Listsubcategories.asp?ID=2), it looks like you can move to a Core 2 Duo E6300 for an extra 250 DKR ($43 USD). Seeing as how the E6300 outperforms the X2 3800, it would be worth it. You'd need to step up to an X2 4600+ on the AMD front to reach parity with an E6300, which would cost an extra 400 or so DKR over an E6300.
A decent memory selection for an E6300 would be either a 2GB Kingston ValueRAM pack (http://www.edbpriser.dk/Listprices.asp?ID=138806) or a 2GB Muskin pack (http://www.edbpriser.dk/Listprices.asp?ID=205279). Both are rated at 1.8v, so they should work in any P965 or 975X board. You don't really need PC2-5300 (DDR2-667) as there's little difference in performance (http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2813&p=6) between that and PC2-4200, but it gives you the headroom to overclock the E6300 by 25% and fall back to a 1:1 memory ratio.
If you really need the option for SLI in the form of two cards, right now there isn't anything on the Intel front. If you don't mind Crossfire, Intel's D975XBX rev 304 would be fine, as would DFI's Infinity 975X/G, if you can find it. I've used Crossfire now with F.E.A.R., FarCry, Half-Life 2, Half-Life: Source, Neocron 2, and Deus Ex. It works fine. Coming from a 6800GT, I'm very happy with the way ATI's X1900 series drivers has performed so far. There's a Sapphire X1900 XT (http://www.edbpriser.dk/Listprices.asp?ID=209977) for 2675 DKR, which seems to be around 275 DKR over the price of an overclocked XFX 7900GT (around 2400 DKR). There's also the X1900 GT line. None of this matters, though, if you're going to stick with a single video card.
(I didn't want to replace unreliable drives with more of the same so fuck the warranty)Well, they all fail. Warranty support is one of the ways a company distinguishes itself, and if a drive lasted two years before failure, it should be fine for another two years after RMA.
Disks are mechanical devices. They all die eventually.
Yeah they do. The deskstars started giving me problems after a month... both of them in a raid0 config. After looking it up online I just stuck with them until one died completely and then replaced them.
btw in your sig -SP2 Slipstreamed-... what is that? I would look it up but eh... :p
Yeah they do. The deskstars started giving me problems after a month... Well, IBM was a special case. Of the two 75GXP and two 60GXP disks I had, I think only one hasn't been RMAed. Part of the problem with those disks, I found, was that they used glass platters. While my 45GB 75GXP would barf after extended time inside my Sun, the 40GB Maxtor did not. The only major difference? Glass vs Metal platters.
btw in your sig -SP2 Slipstreamed-... what is that?There's a bug with NC2 and vehicles that affects some people. If you have an XP install with SP1 and upgrade to SP2, the vehicles no longer move from their spawn points. They look like they do, you can drive to the edge of a zone, but you don't see into the next zone, you can't zone, and if you get off you snap back to the ASG where you spawned the vehicle.
The problem has not occured on my XP boxes when I install XP with SP2 added to the install files prior to installation. The process of adding service packs and patches to installation media is called slipstreaming. It can be done manually or using a tool like nLite (http://www.nliteos.com/).
ohhh ok. :) I bought XP Pro with SP2 included on the disk (in fact when installing, it is transparent). I guess that's why that or the need for it never cropped up.
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