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giga191
18-06-06, 15:42
Just got dex woc 3 on zeltarg (PE), and i was just wondering what kind of weapons we can expect in the future for dex woc3? :D

Antibuff nanites?
Faster rezz?
Xbow mk2 (:p)?
Mechs?

Anyway, i'm extremely bored from lvling so don't be suprised to see me mass pking for the next few months...

Skusty
18-06-06, 15:45
So it was you who killed me in Ceres temple when i was unbuffed??? :D :lol:

giga191
18-06-06, 16:02
finnish power? oh yeh... :D

Anyway, so much for the frequent gold PA events....not that i ever seem to find any events to go to

jini
18-06-06, 16:58
Well as we know it, WoC 1 gives you the nerfed crossbow and basically transforms the scubadive to the batsuit
WoC 2 prepares you for... WoC 3
But
WoC 3 well in WoC 3 you lose everything. You start all over again :lol:
which is the only decent thing, since im only woc1

giga191
18-06-06, 17:34
i should be allowed to have woc int too ^^

Pantho
19-06-06, 10:23
all those WoC Disk's wasted, i only need one :p,

giga191
19-06-06, 10:43
all those WoC Disk's wasted, i only need one :p, you can have one when i quit :p I had to wait til an old clanny quit too, he had loads from early NC2.

Pantho
19-06-06, 12:11
I dont rly want u to quit, so suppose ill whore the WoC tunnels tonight, Im just capped my Spy, so by the time i get a WoC disk, ill easily have the XP ! < Ceres Tunnels give good xp tbh

BTW, offering DS,SA, 3 slot arti Exec, Xray modded, + 2 slot Slasher (120dmg, 115freq) Fire modded, For a dam Disk atm.

Skusty
19-06-06, 12:26
If you have capped your spy, log a char you havvent capped and go there with a ppu and lvl him while you search for a disk for your spy?

giga191
19-06-06, 12:52
I know what I want.....a spirit libby!!! :p

Apocalypsox
19-06-06, 17:12
I know what I want.....a spirit libby!!! :p
roflmywaffles fuck that get a spirit wyatt tbh libbeh is teh sucx0rz :D

Skusty
19-06-06, 17:18
Spirit SH would be good tbh.

Apocalypsox
19-06-06, 17:27
Spirit SH would be good tbh.
got it. no ammo. ffs.

i think there should be a new WoC rifle. it should shoot blue balls of plasma and have a purple swirly. they should be AoE. :D

Skusty
19-06-06, 17:33
AoE rifle would be so FTW.

giga191
19-06-06, 17:55
got it. no ammo. ffs.

i think there should be a new WoC rifle. it should shoot blue balls of plasma and have a purple swirly. they should be AoE. :D check the list of ammo it can take...

Apocalypsox
19-06-06, 18:48
check the list of ammo it can take...
i mean no spirit ammo to utilize the spirit mod on it

giga191
19-06-06, 19:55
i mean no spirit ammo to utilize the spirit mod on it afaik, you wouldn't be able to put it in your gun even if you had the ammo.
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/6342/spiritmodsh1gi.jpg

Okran
22-06-06, 17:44
lol an AK47 in Neocron? How out-dated is that! No wonder it does crappy amounts of damage, we now have laser and plamsa guns! Although in its day the AK47 was the daddy, but that was years and years ago.

If you're going to introduce a WOC Rifle, at least make it worthwhile like the X-Bow.

Apocalypsox
22-06-06, 18:07
lol an AK47 in Neocron? How out-dated is that! No wonder it does crappy amounts of damage, we now have laser and plamsa guns! Although in its day the AK47 was the daddy, but that was years and years ago.

If you're going to introduce a WOC Rifle, at least make it worthwhile like the X-Bow.
well...solid shell projectiles are still effective...look at the silent hunter.

Fero
22-06-06, 18:28
I would like to see Str and Int woc items/weapons/tools.
Tanks need some different HC/MC weapons(please dont mention retarded knuckles, i would rather see chain saw ffs, would be more fun). Spys need some tools and that woc dex rifle. Monks need some candy too. Did anyone think about tradeskillers? my nerd has enough exp to get a woc 3 in INT and he has no gratification for all that stupid waste of time as nonPVP individual :).
People should complain about lack of rewards for that gay grind ... woc PA are prestige beacon and nothing more. we need variety.

gamefreak
22-06-06, 19:08
well why not make woc weapons which do just the double dmg as the non woc rares?
and woc 5 could be a double dmg xbow

Mighty Max
22-06-06, 19:26
well why not make woc weapons which do just the double dmg as the non woc rares?
and woc 5 could be a double dmg xbow

- it would increase the pressure to play mainstreamed setups
=> less variation
- it screws up balance between powerplayer and a common player, which is allready difficult
- it increases balance problems between classes (a small difference gets blown up)
- fights get even less interesting (fast done)

giga191
22-06-06, 19:31
Did anyone think about tradeskillers? my nerd has enough exp to get a woc 3 in INT and he has no gratification for all that stupid waste of time as nonPVP individual :).
People should complain about lack of rewards for that gay grind ... woc PA are prestige beacon and nothing more. we need variety. i think the ress mission money is enough reward as it is for macroers :p

Apocalypsox
22-06-06, 19:47
for the consters...give em a WoC tool that gives you a minimum amount of slots. like at WoC5 you get a minimum of 2 slots. nothing horribly overpowered, just something for their time.

gamefreak
22-06-06, 20:52
- it would increase the pressure to play mainstreamed setups
=> less variation
- it screws up balance between powerplayer and a common player, which is allready difficult
- it increases balance problems between classes (a small difference gets blown up)
- fights get even less interesting (fast done)
you could give them overpowered armor too !
btw, casual gamers suck! nolife ftw !!!!

Apocalypsox
22-06-06, 21:09
you could give them overpowered armor too !
btw, casual gamers suck! nolife ftw !!!!

...WoC 5 is a small price to pay for constant 2 slots... and since consters generally get 2+ slots on most rares anyways, i dont think its overpowered.

giga191
22-06-06, 22:24
for the consters...give em a WoC tool that gives you a minimum amount of slots. like at WoC5 you get a minimum of 2 slots. nothing horribly overpowered, just something for their time. it's a good idea if it doesn't stack with the normal slots that you would have gotten, but then maybe it shouldn't be woc 5

Fero
23-06-06, 08:25
Giga you amuse me. Keep it up, i love your "sharp" comments.

Staying on topic though...

We need variety of woc crap to use in general. i dont realy care what specific-class-fetishists think ... all classes need some love.
PEs need slight nerf. xbow does a bit more damage then it should .. why tl100 item does more damage then tl113 ? why PEs use whole rifle and pistol rare pool? i think tl105 is max what PEs should reach on drugs. There is no sense in making pistol spy nowadays since DBing druging Pe can kill any one with slasher/exec/xbow. Jack-of-all-trade needs more gadgets to survive and be on par with geeks, tanks and wizards.
Monks need some sort of spells which are far from pvp but add to formula of being able to do something that no other class can.
Tanks need ... weapons ... realy ... that is only thing they were made for. More damage = better.
Nerds been neglected for far too long. Droners need something that makes them interesting. Main use now is to level fast before grand lomocron to something else. Skillers need improvement with tools and time they spent doing all that dirty work Why we ask for items that give slots? I want items to reduce the time it takes to research/construct, so that people like giga won’t dislike profession for amount of time it takes to do something.
So what does nerd do to survive and beat the bully? Uses “brain” and tactics. We need real high tech toys here, spys only though. We have stealth as a key component of being spy, now we need “brain” behind it. Example: PA that makes spy invisible all time … as soon as weapon/drone or spell activated stealth goes away(while in droning mode pa does not work :P). Timer on restealth is 10 seconds, so that people can be caught and killed. This brings new definition to spying and infiltration. Spy cannot do a thing except relay info, if he goes to offensive he can get killed and cannot stealth whore as people do with normal stealth tools.

giga191
23-06-06, 11:40
The 4 big pvp inbalance problems: Dex from PE PA, tl10 heal, PPUs, xbow

slith
23-06-06, 12:04
The 4 big pvp inbalance problems: Dex from PE PA, tl10 heal, PPUs, xbowCome to think about it, this was 75% of Neocrons problems descriped in 8 words. :)

gamefreak
23-06-06, 14:38
so why not just remove those 4 things ?

slith
23-06-06, 14:41
Becouse removing them creates new problems. Your programm's save-function isn't working correctly, so you delete it?

But tbh, i'd prefer a Neocron without those 4 things anytime :lol:

solling
24-06-06, 23:20
The 4 big pvp inbalance problems: Dex from PE PA, tl10 heal, PPUs, xbow

and kamis being able to kill fully buffed people in one hit is, altho fun, kinda to much

Skusty
24-06-06, 23:24
PPU's at opwars = Ok if they aint tomany of them.

Dribble Joy
24-06-06, 23:55
The 4 big pvp inbalance problems: Dex from PE PA, tl10 heal, PPUs, xbow
PEPA dex could remian, it just depends on the rest of the imps. The main issue is the top tl weapon a PE can reach.


Jack-of-all-trade needs more gadgets to survive and be on par with geeks, tanks and wizards.
PEs are not JoATs. A JoAT can use all of the availiable skills to a sufficient (Ie. viable) degree - ALL AT THE SAME TIME. A PE has the widest range of possible routes to viability, but he/she has to specialise in one of them.

Glok
25-06-06, 00:06
Actually, DJ the traditional definition of a 'JOAT' is: 'Jack of all trades, master of none.'

CMaster
25-06-06, 01:43
Actually, DJ the traditional definition of a 'JOAT' is: 'Jack of all trades, master of none.'

Which a PE isn't.
While a PE has a large amount of options open as a class, as an individual they must specialise more than anyone else. They are in no way a JOAT class.

Dribble Joy
25-06-06, 01:49
Actually, DJ the traditional definition of a 'JOAT' is: 'Jack of all trades, master of none.'
You drunk? How does that go against my arguement? If anything it supports it.
I wasn't stating the precise definition of a JoAT, I was outlining what it was, which is essentially what you just said.

Glok
25-06-06, 07:22
I know. But a PE can actually be a JOAT if he wants he just can't expect to be top of the playing field while doing so.

giga191
26-06-06, 16:28
PEPA dex could remian, it just depends on the rest of the imps. The main issue is the top tl weapon a PE can reach.
dex from imps came first, so the PA will have to go ^^

gamefreak
26-06-06, 17:16
it looks like an ant anyway

XaNToR
26-06-06, 17:58
afaik, you wouldn't be able to put it in your gun even if you had the ammo.



Oh well if u still had spirit ammo in it from NC1.. u were able to use them..

Haha those PPU looked funny when their shelter was gone :D

but oh well.. spirit ammo wont return .. so those spirit SH should be kept as a piece of good old memory :)

Dribble Joy
27-06-06, 01:52
I still have a couple of spirit Shs with ammo still in.

Re: PEPA, it depends on how extensively they re-work the imp system.
If PA becomes a similar item to an imp, it could go either way, though it would be easier to remove the mainstat modifiers. A 'defencive' PA with large armour bonuses and offencive malii, a middle ground PA with benefits from both sides (but no malii) - or no middle PA and just the inq2/duranit equiv. and an 'offensive' PA with large combat bonii and large defencive malli.