View Full Version : Bring back pepperpark?
Face it, PvP _IS_ the game, always has been, most likely always will be. What i'd like to see is pepperpark brought back to what it once used to be. A dangerous crime ridden run down dump you never wanted to stay too long in, and gulped just before you entered the zone because you had to run through it.
CA guards in pepperpark? Sorry, but just the ridiculously idiotic nature of it, should just result in that person getting fired. You took the most action packed zone short of Op war zones, and cut the balls off of it. What's the result? A watered down flavorless waste of space on the server. But, it's not too late, pepperpark can still have it's testicles reattached. Keep the thread alive by showing your support. Bring back PP the way it was meant to be, before they start throwing in plants, flowers, and a icecream shop.
That, or we can stick to military base, in a 5x10 ft room and enjoy the poor autocam of third person that throws you around.
Logan_storm_03
03-05-06, 22:56
I agree pepper park was the heart and sole of pvp :cool:
Ive played nc2 with a real symp/soulight system, where plaza was not a safezone. What happened to that game ? now you get allied pk in plaza 2 so you defend yourself, and you end up with -50 sl, -100 symp and guards shooting you.
What happened to the anti carebear game i was playing in nc2 retail ? Do i really have to unsub again because theyre not gonna fix it ? Can i switch anarchy breed so i dont have to bother about those carebear situations ?
Monks still autoaim and clip trough stuff with overpowered spells though, so it must be just me...
/signed give me back pp1 was so fucking nice to fight there
Shops need to move back in too really, i fail to see why the shops such as Hew, Crytons and Medicare would move out because the criminal factions leave and the sectors becomes more secure....
PP being heavily PvP orientated would be very nice.
Same with the DoY abandoned sectors of 9 & 10 if possible too.
Less guards, more flexible SL rules. Pleeeease !
pepper park for thw win tbh was soooo kool zoning into pp1 and dieing lol :cool:
Blausiegel
03-05-06, 23:38
/signed to hell and back.
It would be nice to bring it back, but looking around its not likely it will happen in our lifetime.
The lead desgin guy at KK is doing the worst possible job ever.
Since i joined in last yr this game has only went downhill, and 2.1 didnt help at all.
The lead desgin guy at KK is doing the worst possible job ever.
Since i joined in last yr this game has only went downhill, and 2.1 didnt help at all.
rolebacks please :angel: ?
rollback to August 2003 tbh
Im not kidding whoever does the design, the ides behind for the game, sucks.
Then today i logged in, an decided to go to TH bridgelink in HN.
I drug up, go in HN, run 2 travels and then when i zone in TH, i get long sync.
Impossible to tap out because of the 'more then 3 drugs therefore you cant tap' bug.
I hit esc, then resume only to find i can only go to my apt, so i alt-f4 and then restart NC, log back, tap, but no, i just stand up between mobs with SI, and die again ....
WTF is this bullshit ? Maybe im just bad lucked.
But hey everyone, this, and those wack design is what makes this game 'no fun'
Seriously, wheres the fun nowadays in NC with no one to kill and all the bugs and incredebly stupid design ???
Fighting FF ?? pffff FF isnt even worth fighting against nowadays. ts just getting less and less fun as time goes by.
RogerRamjet
04-05-06, 00:48
Fighting FF ?? pffff FF isnt even worth fighting against nowadays. ts just getting less and less fun as time goes by.
Yeh, i heard KK were gonna hotfix FF. You know, improve their band wagon factor.
Asurmen Spec Op
04-05-06, 01:00
gimmie meh PP!
I use to enjoy my Spy back in PP1.
Sometimes I made sure everyone fighting wouldn't attack me so I could just stand in Pepper Park and watch the fights, good times.
hehe i remembered that, you used to hang out there all day long. I think once you started you rarely actually leveled, stayed something like skill rank 58 for at least 3 months :D
some little retarded apu called Nox pulled the same trix only at a rather comical rank 34 only he actually attacked people... *grin*
:p
I agree pepper park was the heart and sole of pvp :cool:
Pepper Park was the heart and soul of Neocron....!
dont be lazy goto pp3 and yeh kame its hard fighting now there is no turrets :rolleyes:
dont be lazy goto pp3 and yeh kame its hard fighting now there is no turrets :rolleyes:
Fighting FF ?? pffff FF isnt even worth fighting against nowadays. ts just getting less and less fun as time goes by.
You both win the award for barreling, but you cant barrel in pp i guess :angel:
yeah, bring back pepper park. pp2 belongs to BD, and BD only :D
Totally agree with you Strife, sex on you. 5*
the prob with pp3 cas is that its too far so no pros go there or maybe in pp1 there were lots of ppl because p3 was safezone... prolly only because that :D
the prob with pp3 cas is that its too far so no pros go there or maybe in pp1 there were lots of ppl because p3 was safezone... prolly only because that :D
Neocron killed what made neocron successful
What about AB taking over PP?
Turn PP back into the chaos it should be by all means, but the gaurds need to be there for the storyline. They're defending neocron from invasion ffs. Try offering a few suggestion as to why the gaurds disappear or are replaced instead of bitching about it.
PP could become like the abandoned sectors in DoY. Not worth CA's attention so it gets left to rot. But that would mean there would have to be extra security in Plaza to compensate.
Give KK a few ideas and they might pick up a storyline.
Well, I guess some FF loved this thread. We had a great fight at the pp1/p3 border today. About 6 or 7 FF showed up, ppu, and 2 or 3 hybrids, termi PE, melee tank. Was a great fight, we were without a ppu for a bit, so took some losses.
We were also chased into p3 and had a few guys die there, just ignoring the guards and trying to take us out at all costs. I thought the guards would be a problem with fighting at the line, but the holy shelter holds up to it, they lost maybe 2 guys during the hour fight on the p3 side, but I had only finished off the guards work.
After some time we got a ppu, and started to take a few more out, but in the end we outnumbered them then some pp1 guards jumped in, and drove em off, and that was the end of the fun.
In the end, it was a pretty good fight, could have done without the pp1 guards so they stood a better chance when our numbers got higher. But was still some good fun, a hell of a lot better than MB and the small zoneline room.
Props to FF for showing they can be sports and put up a good fight, against worse off odds.
Five Fucking Stars. http://forum.neocron.com/images/icons/icon14.gif
our pleasure ;) was more fun then standing around cycrow ug we thought :p
Signed, just remove all safezone out of neocron!! come on!
Return the zone rules to the way they were in NC 1 & give back the Fallen Angels their home gets my vote.
Signed, just remove all safezone out of neocron!! come on!
Great idea, man... I mean look at hard-core Neptune; what a successful, thriving & well populated server that is!
Despite the comment at the start of this thread,this game is NOT a out and out PvP game. Take a look around at the amount of LE'd runners there are. Since NC1 PK'rs have shouted "if you don't want me to gank you while you're exploring like a nib, keep your LE in". So now everybody does. There are a lot of capped runners who are still LE'd and the games will stay that way. It'll get worse if you remove ALL safe zones. That happened when it switched from NC1 to NC2, and there was a mass walk out. We need safe zones to be kept and a better PvP area than the MB zoneline. PP is the best choice really, but we still need a storyline as to why all the gaurds would leave sectors 1 and 2.
Apocalypsox
05-05-06, 03:52
agreeing with Jodo here. some people arent hardcore all out PvP addicts. not everyone wants to run into a zone with there gun out, all their buffs out and ready to blow the shit out of anything that gets in their way. :D
I think the safezones are fine as they are. Only thing i'd changed is making p3 safe and moving back the guards, so the fights aren't so one sided with pro being able to hide there and heal and buff.
Pepper Park 1 & 2 have guards to protect the starter mission locations and for roleplaying reasons. Pepper Park 3 is free for PvP with no guards placed.
So does that mean it will never change, or it could change, but there are no plans for such in the forseeable future?
As I already pointed out in the german thread:
1. A Newbie < rank 24 should be still wearing his LE for the first day or two ...basicly for the time he/she/it runs the jones quest.
2. In Neocron, roughly the half of all jones-quests lead to the PP3 anyway... so where's the point? In the Dome it's even the majority leading to unsecured sectors such as Sec-04 or Sec-10
... :confused:
Pepper Park 1 & 2 have guards to protect the starter mission locations and for roleplaying reasons. Pepper Park 3 is free for PvP with no guards placed.
Could you explain why the sectors are almost completely devoid of shops to? It doesnt make sence to me.
Deus Ex Machina
05-05-06, 19:30
I can only support the removal of Guards in Pepper Park 1 and 2 - as for "protecting lows" - Fear is in athmosphere, safety is not - you should protect the world, not the person. Dieing is common in Neocron, but if no one can touch you at the beginning you take a lot of "Training" in this area out of the game, and also a lot of the athmosphere.
And for the RP Reason: That's very easy, and someone could have thought about this before:
The losses are to high, and the inhabitants not worth it.
As we know through the Neocronicle the City Admin does not have enough money - money that is lost for the training of all this new recruits they send in the Pepper Park only to die. I'd say 9/10 Losses is not looking good either to new recruits. And although there are surely no official right statistics, there is always Gossip. ["Hey, did you hear, they have reassigned 10 recruits to Johnsons Squad, that's more than the half troop - and you know he is stationed in Pepper Park... First chance I get i am outta here before they put me on Pepper Park duty too"]
Each major city has it's area where even the police is afraid of... and don't tell me it's the outzone, clearly visible for everyone there is no one living in the outzone - no one who is more or less a citizen.
Oh and btw. - The guards in PP 3 are to go too - eaten by some dogs, mutants, or killed by some secret invader - there are tree times the reasons as for the guards in PP 1 and 2!
Could you explain why the sectors are almost completely devoid of shops to? It doesnt make sence to me.The vile Tsunami Syndicate and the worthless thugs of the Black Dragon have only recently been expelled from Pepper Park. Funds are short and the government of Neocron simply does not have the resources to spare to revitalize the area. This revitalization will come in due time.
No? :)
This is one of those things i just dont get about KK.
It's so piss easy to remove the guards there. Put the psi vendors into pp1 and remove the fucking guards. It would be so much more fun.
This would take what, 10 minutes? And if it wouldnt work as intented, put the guads back. Another 5 minutes. Wow KK, CAN YOU DO THAT?
In regards to the guards being there to protect newbies while doing the jones quests.....
Almost all the city faction epics require you to go to Pepper Park 3 in the early stages (like, /20) and have done since Neocron 1 when the entirity of Pepper Park was infested with enemies to the factions doing the epics.....Is it just me which sees some flawed or certianly very very different logic between the two situations there?
As said before, newbies should really have their LEs in at such a low level as the /4 of what ever it is for the jones missions. especially since Neocron 1er's had to do alot worse, in worse situations, with more players to make the worse situations... even worse.
Also how would the skint government explain the big businesses moving out when they have more security than they did previously and no longer have some of their worst enemies living above their shops? :p
Pepper Park 1 & 2 have guards to protect the starter mission locations and for roleplaying reasons. Pepper Park 3 is free for PvP with no guards placed.Because the starter missions are so vitally important and they were always camped by pk's? Starter missions? People start with LE, if they take it out so early, they can simply come back if it's a problem. I find it quite sad that you had to dumb down and carebearize one of the most popular combat areas just because of some newbie mission.
And for roleplaying reasons? Pepperpark was the dangerous back alley type place. Thugs ran rampant, you risked your ass to just run through it. Your classic copless crime infested area, filled with murderers, strip clubs, drug dealers. You pissed rp out the window quite some time ago.
Pepper Park 3 is free for PvP with no guards placed.
Clearly you have no knowledge or experience in PvP within this game. Every since early beta people have fought on zonelines. You had to drop people quick and watch your ass, it's a long drawn out battle where more and more people show up. It's a lot different where one force shows up, in say pp3, and slowly the other side shows up to die and die. It's about the lasting fight, not some under 1 minute pp battle.
Granted running back to zone is sorta lame. You got a second chance to go back out there, and don't have to rechrome 10 times to have a good time.
Sounds a lot like neofrag, without the horrid levels.
Fear is in athmosphere, safety is not - you should protect the world, not the person.Qouted for emphasis.
Lastly. The fact that it says Game Designer in your sig, and your reasoning for ruining one of the most famous pvp sectors in this game, for some pathetic thing like a mission, an excuse that doesn't even hold up, scares me and enlightens me, as to why this game is in the state it is now.
one of my accs are expired and i dnt think ima reactivate so gg kk hope u fix the game b4 u loose the 40 other people who play and make the game fun noobs started and ive seen 90 % of em quit so wen my other acc goes cya everyone lol i wont be postin no gd bye threads
. Pepper Park 3 is free for PvP with no guards placed. have you removed the 2 standing in front of pussy club? (not that i would normally mind that, but they have a habbit of getting stuck in the wall and constantly shooting you all over the zone)
Scanner Darkly
06-05-06, 01:16
Do Guards still have the SuperMega Glue guns I remember so fondly?
If they are still kicking about unchanged, why not keep the 80/80 guards and replace their Mr Freeze MegaIritatron Rifles(tm) with regular whatever rifles?
Wouldn't this be a more equitable solution? They still protect the area and help pro city runners agains enemies, but they don't make PVP near impossible...
Guard para is roughly third / fourth on my list of things that pisses me off the most with this game.
It servers NO purpose at all (except to screw people over, who wants that?), so lets have it removed basically.
Yeah seriously im thinking about leaving NC.
Everything about the game "sounds" fun but in fact i hardly find any fun anymore. Lemme explain myself :
The game is buggy as hell. For some ppl it takes like 5 relogs to get a good one.(cant code a game ?)
The payment method as been a pain in the ass for more then 1 yr, yet nothing changes.(LOL c2p runs pornsites !! parents prolly think theyre kids are buying internet porn)
No more patches, we have "evolution". Are you fucking kidding me ? We get one patch every 7 - 8 months and then its full of bugs (like you guys dont test shit) and then it takes days to get thing "somewhat" fixed.
Ppl get acustomed to a game and its the reason they would keep paying for it. Now that you dumbasses wanna do a "re_balance", well, everyone is scared as hell of how buggy and unplayable this shit will be.
You guys talk bout graphic and content upgrade when 90% of ppl cant run the game for more then 30 mins without getting a major bug that requires relog/restatrt client or just simply make you crash. [ edited ]
We already belived enough when 2.1**came out, and it was shit. I think a lot of ppl are getting tired of paying for nothing and will prolly come back to "'check things out" when 2.2 comes out, but i feel like most of them are gonna quit, because its became so hard to find any pvp at all in this game.
i think its fun and i still enjoy myself
and kame there is pvp where u look for it, if u log on and EXCPECT pvp to come to u then u will get nothing.
we have been in pp1/p3 zoneline the last couple of days and thats fun despite the guards its quite guard free right inside pp1 getting some fun fights there
Yeah seriously im thinking about leaving NC.
Everything about the game "sounds" fun but in fact i hardly find any fun anymore. Lemme explain myself :
The game is buggy as hell. For some ppl it takes like 5 relogs to get a good one.(cant code a game ?)
The payment method as been a pain in the ass for more then 1 yr, yet nothing changes.(LOL c2p runs pornsites !! parents prolly think theyre kids are buying internet porn)
No more patches, we have "evolution". Are you fucking kidding me ? We get one patch every 7 - 8 months and then its full of bugs (like you guys dont test shit) and then it takes days to get thing "somewhat" fixed.
Ppl get acustomed to a game and its the reason they would keep paying for it. Now that you dumbasses wanna do a "re_balance", well, everyone is scared as hell of how buggy and unplayable this shit will be.
You guys talk bout graphic and content upgrade when 90% of ppl cant run the game for more then 30 mins without getting a major bug that requires relog/restatrt client or just simply make you crash. [ edited ]
We already belived enough when 2.1**came out, and it was shit. I think a lot of ppl are getting tired of paying for nothing and will prolly come back to "'check things out" when 2.2 comes out, but i feel like most of them are gonna quit, because its became so hard to find any pvp at all in this game.
It's not THAT bad lol. This game is still really worth playing in my opinion. Sure there's some stuff that makes me log off because I'm just tired of the shit that people do, but that's the communities fault.
2.1 was quite nice, reload 'problem' really didn't bother me much.
Although some weapons should not have had their look/sounds changed :(
That GM comment is going to leave you with a big red hand print on your ass in the morning :angel:
NC just needs to get it's shit together in a few areas that's all.
Scanner Darkly
06-05-06, 02:07
Yeah seriously im thinking about leaving NC.
. . .
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You looking for a super-dooper-fun-happy forum ban before said leaving?
:rolleyes:
They spend their own free time to either help people or put on events for people and having to deal with often insurmountable idiocy in and out of game doesn't help...
well i dunno for few but seems to me people still like the game and these people talkin about "idiocy" and watever seriously u guys aint know shit, ive played since nc1 beta and tbh this game has gotten worse, i remember playing ppu and id have entire clans running after me and cant kill me (yea i know stupid monks) but my point is that i cud switch a spell and not get it cancelled or crash when i cast in nc1, but nc2... dam i crash every half hour and im lazy as hell i hate relogging as it is, but for me my days are done ill play on my acc thats active and im done, and i know for a fact there will be alot more quitting with me not because of me but because of the faults of kk, i dunno why instead of bringin out 2.1 n blah blah blah just work on a few bugs get the game working better then move on, i saw nid post on a post about going to uni etc, now if u do bad what do u do? u work on it then move on dont you? u try n pick up the pieces, there are some people who are dam good at pvp like in nf or anywhere else and thats cause they can cheat the netcode and clip, we were testing and one of my fellow clannies was in a hill clipping and he was invisible with full range on me , what dpes that show? simply that its just another way to get behind the system, and im not commin back for no rebalancing or ne of that shit, when kk fixes fre and clip[ping etc then ill be back.
this game has gotten so depressing after another week of work i return home log on and log right back off no feel for the game anymore, to dogface and whoever else say they enjoy the game i dunno what u enjoy cause i never see u oping or anything else maybe the odd pk but when all the good pvpers go this game will go down, cause as it is its the more experienced guys fighting and as i see it we are the lasty pro city clan that fights so when we go there will be no op wars unless doy decides to fight amongst themselves.
my post is not to have a go at kk or to bring them down all im pleeding for is the bugs to be fixed because this game is dying,there was a time id go to work and come home dnt eat or do fuck all and just play nc till it was time for me to go to bed, now i cba to play at all.
I choose not to OP-war because:
1 - People don't want a fun fight, they just want to win any way they can.
2- Para.
3- Monks.
4- Ninja.
I prefer small group pvp, hunting red SL runners, hunting noobs in JO1, constantly attacking people in rhinos until they have to repair, then they get PKd, hunting in NC/via1 (hardly possible with guard para), cave killing.. You know, the little things..
i do op fights as much as we can mostley i find em fun there is the issues that dog is saying for sure
but if i wasent pvping i would quit this game.
one serious issue is tho WE NEED MORE PEOPLE PLAYING thats the main thing that makes nc dull for most people
and btw u dont sit somewhere excpecting pvp to come to u, u go out and try to find it. in my excperience i find it mostley when i look for it
Scanner Darkly
06-05-06, 12:49
one serious issue is tho WE NEED MORE PEOPLE PLAYING thats the main thing that makes nc dull for most people
exactly
I'd be happy to put up with most of the other bull product if we had first year NC1 pops again. One can only dream...
Yeah, at the moment the population keeps decreasing and decreasing, either because of the current useless SL/sympathy system, Click2Pay, the endless list of bugs and problems people have, and the fact there's almost no PvP unless you like eating a thousand antishock drugs against people who have PPU buttplugs (Neocron is about PvP, yet Para is still here, which completely stops PvP, it turns the fight into PvM, and people whine that I stealth whore when I see a PPU with their shiny blue spell swishing about), or what Dogface mentioned.
Neocron is getting more boring by the day. Everyone apart from two people I know from TFC (namely Cmaster who's no longer in TFC, and DIS) don't PvP, at all, unless they have 3 or 4 other people with them, including a PPU. One of these people has three accounts, with mostly capped characters, including a Crossbow Spy, yet always logs on his droner when PvP is mentioned. They usually sit around and say "errr I'll die" or "errr I'll get owned" and just sit on their arse instead, or go levelling in a cave (which seems to always be a main priority). These people actually have millions of credits, and seem to think dropping absolutely nothing in a belt (because I or someone else will be picking it up if they die) or having to poke in implants when they die is out of the question. It doesn't half piss me off. It just makes me constantly ask the question, "then why the frig did you level your characters all this time if you aren't going to use them?"
Anyway, sorry for the TFC related rant there, but it was getting somewhere. I see an absolute shit load of people all the time, but hardly ever see them doing anything other than levelling. It's as if it's got to the point where noone wants to put themselves at the risk of dying. All the "brave" people have started playing other MMORPG's.
There needs to be some new PvP areas where there aren't any guard buttpluggs. People started going to the Military Base because people always used to be there, it's probably the worst place in the whole of Neocron (and that's saying something by the way) to fight. I've only played since Neocron 2 beta, but from what people have said, Pepper Park used to be where the anti-city lived before they moved to the dome? Probably not many guards there either... Pepper Park is a sexy place to fight, but at the moment (as with every other sector) guards are too much of a problem. Everywhere you look, there's pretty much going to be 2+ guards. These guards are 120/120, respawn almost instantly, and will Para (yes, that thing that stops PvP from taking place) the shit out of you.
As long as there are better places to fight, less or no guards away from sensitive areas (such as right next to faction HQ's and Genreps like in DoY), I don't really care what happens, as long as it actually promotes PvP rather than destroys it.
We need more storylines to attract and keep new players, especially with low ranks, it can feel very tedious doing rat missions until you get told to move to aggies or get some help.
The Jones missions is a nice touch but we need more like that to keep the interest going. It doesn't need new locations placed like the Jones missions have, just a few NPC's dotted about the city and the immediate sectors around the city. More storyline that involves your chosen profession and class would be cool.
Also, as mentioned many times in this thread, a better PvP area. Somewhere with easy access to for most/all runners, a zoneline with a safezone on the other side, and no guards on either side. The community clearly needs this and its up to KK to sort it out. Pepper Park is the obvious choice to the runners but reading the post from SnowCrash, they don't like this idea and don't seem willing to compromise. Admittedly that’s just an assumption but we weren't really left with much to go, he sounded more offended than interested as far as our requests and ideas for game development are concerned.
What were they thinking when they changed pp3. Why cant they just change it all back. I like plaza 1 and 2 tbh (even tho i was anti) Who cares about roleplay and starter missions we wont be noobs for more then 1 or 2 days leveling. Move the npcs ? Do the people who make these changes even play the game, to me it seems not. Maybe they dont test/play enough...
At the moment you are just denieing the inevitable!
I've only played since Neocron 2 beta, but from what people have said, Pepper Park used to be where the anti-city lived before they moved to the dome? Probably not many guards there either...
No paraspam guards but there was a crap load of Tsunami and Black Dragon guards once the copbots moved out of Pepper Park 1.
Someone said on another thread that the "rose tinted spectacles" effect was "pathetic", but I put it to you that this thread is a perfect example of that effect in practice.
Check out the polling results (http://forum.neocron.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=5879) on this (http://forum.neocron.com/showthread.php?t=104508) thread.
In total a massive 86% of respondents stated that they do not go to Pepper Park for one reason or another, and a further 10% state that they go there because they can zone quickly.
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/edit - I've closed that poll to preserve the original results.
/edit2 - Fixed typo.
/edit3 - Removed =REMUS='s quote as I probably misread his meaning. Apologies to =REMUS=
Hahaha
I must resist to say it..
mmmhhhhh..
ARGH I CAN'T RESIST IT!!!
OWNED!!!!!
EDIT:
Damn, not owned.. he says "I remember that YOU used to hang out there all day long" and not "I remember that I used to hang out there all day long"
/signed........i miss pepper park was always the same on every server, if you wanted a duel/all out riot you went to pp :lol:
You can read =REMUS='s post either way. Even so, the poll the results are the main argument. I wonder why =REMUS= didn't explicitly come out against this thread though? I've edited my original post to remove that flawed part of the argument leaving only the statistics.
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Think the worst part about the NC1 pepper park that I remember, was when you had to just pop out to get some rockets or nades, then you had to almost fight until your inventory was empty, just to get them and get to safety.
The last time I was in pepper park, the thing I hated the most, was that the para on the guns combined with their insane damage, gave me no chance to defend myself.
But I've never been a fan of allied killing and friendly faction fighting.
But neutral fighting to a certain degree in all zones
and
enemy fighting in all zones, all out war.
That's the way it should be.
The only friendly killing that should occur, was RP elements, with spies, and thieves, and shit.
That was back when PP had more of a use to the community though. Now, all the shops are gone apart from a couple of Venture Warps (oh good, we all use them every day) and a snack vendor. Pepper Park is very different now and doesn't really have a use. It doen't house a community anymore, surely that poll is for a different time and a very different Pepper Park?
Deus Ex Machina
06-05-06, 14:42
In total a massive 86% of respondents stated that they do not go to Pepper Park for one reason or another, and a further 10% state that they go there because they can zone quickly.
Well... okay since I think this is brought in as an Argument against changes of Pepper Park let's try to see the whole picture:
The Poll has a total of 189 %
The people voting for any "not going" reason are partially the same over the three major answers
AND some people saying they go there because they can quickly zone show up in the "not going there" options as well
[additional there is one person that seemed to tick every option]
I have not checked every name, but it seems the poll is not that informative...
and another thing would be the big question: Do they go to Pepper Park NOW? If not, which I really suspect, since noone ist going there much, the question if there should be any change, should not be decided by them, especially considered how old that poll is
P.S. It may be that I totally misunderstood you Nidhogg, if so then sorry, I'm getting together with English quite well I think, but foreign language stays foreign language.
You can read =REMUS='s post either way. Even so, the poll the results are the main argument. I wonder why =REMUS= didn't explicitly come out against this thread though? I've edited my original post to remove that flawed part of the argument leaving only the statistics.
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LOL :lol: Niddy is so strict, he even brings his hammer down on his own posts. :D
Someone said on another thread that the "rose tinted spectacles" effect was "pathetic", but I put it to you that this thread is a perfect example of that effect in practice.
Check out the polling results (http://forum.neocron.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=5879) on this (http://forum.neocron.com/showthread.php?t=104508) thread.
In total a massive 86% of respondents stated that they do not go to Pepper Park for one reason or another, and a further 10% state that they go there because they can zone quickly.i'm sorry, but a poll that's 2 years old and totals for a 189% holds no real ground in my book, did you have any real evidence to provide for against this?
Fact is, what people thought of something 2 years ago, doesn't really mean shit. That was when you could goto MB and get a fight, from any of the 10-25 people at MB leveling, or pretty much guaranteed to find someone warbot hunting, or in the many OP wars, from *gasp* more than two clans.
All we're askin' for is to remove the guards pretty much, so we can have a place to actually PvP. It's a hell of a lot easier to get people to fight in pp than to get them in Neofrag. we've got atleast 20? people supporting this, that's pretty much the majority of terra.
That thread is no more or less relevant or "useful" than this one. The theme of this thread is to make PP like it used to be and that thread represents what it used to be.
Please don't misunderstand, my point is in no way to argue against the changes you wish to make, nor is it to support the status quo, it's merely to point out that the argument to go back to the way it used to be is essentially flawed.
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Although Pepper park is small, has zonelines etc etc etc - its bigger than MB and seems to be a much more comfortable place to fight than MB zoneline as although fights used to occur on the PP1 P3 zoneline they were in a much larger area than the tiny box which is the room most people fight in, in MB.
Players didnt like PP fights back in NC1 but they prefer it to the MB fights we have now - is how i understand it.
Although Pepper park is small, has zonelines etc etc etc - its bigger than MB and seems to be a much more comfortable place to fight than MB zoneline as although fights used to occur on the PP1 P3 zoneline they were in a much larger area than the tiny box which is the room most people fight in, in MB.
Players didnt like PP fights back in NC1 but they prefer it to the MB fights we have now - is how i understand it.
ye your about right there
Flawed? Who says I mean that era? The point is, removing guards really doesn't change shit in terms of any negative consequences. Within some hours of my post people started fighting there, only the anti's died to guards, and got killed by players after the guards para'd them and took them to a sliver of health.
This thread is a hell of a lot more relevent. It deals with what people want NOW, not 2 years ago. I probably would have not cared much for pp back 2 years ago either, when i could goto an op war or just pick a huge fight at MB.
The game has gone miles downhill since then. We can't even get any decent fights anymore, and op wars seemed to have stopped. All we want is PP the way it used to be, so that we can atleast have a place to fight.
Flawed? Who says I mean that era? The point is, removing guards really doesn't change shit. Within some hours of my post people started fighting there, only the anti's died to guards, and got killed by players after the guards para'd them and took them to a sliver of health.
This thread is a hell of a lot more relevent. It deals with what people want NOW, not 2 years ago. I probably would have not cared much for pp back 2 years ago either, when i could goto an op war or just pick a huge fight at MB.
The game has gone miles downhill since then. We can't even get any decent fights anymore, and op wars seemed to have stopped. All we want is PP the way it used to be, so that we can atleast have a place to fight.
Op wars are just as flawed
It deals with what people want NOW, not 2 years ago.
So why is it called "Bring back pepperpark" and why does your first post say "What i'd like to see is pepperpark brought back to what it once used to be."?
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So why is it called "Bring back pepperpark" and why does your first post say "What i'd like to see is pepperpark brought back to what it once used to be."?
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Is this truly relevant?
*put the handbags away
Nid, this game is more than 2 years old, so is pepperpark. If you can't understand that the game is a lot different from 2 years ago, then nvm.
Nid, this game is more than 2 years old, so is pepperpark. If you can't understand that the game is a lot different from 2 years ago, then nvm.
That's my point. Why try and go backward? Go forward!
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That's my point. Why try and go backward? Go forward!
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this game was alot better back in the day of pepper park tbh can i agree go forward but you have to admitt the pepper park wars was a hell of alot of fun
That's my point. Why try and go backward? Go forward!
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The first thing you need to do is admit your mistake! I think using PP is going forward.... Things change and so should you.
That's my point. Why try and go backward? Go forward!
NBecause it needs to, if that's the case. I don't think it's going backward either. The actively PvPing community are suggesting ways to improve gameplay. Encouraging people to fight throughout Pepper Park rather than whoring at the Military Base is a good thing. The main problem regarding PvP at the moment is Parashock. I've said it before and I'll keep saying it till developers who care see it. Parashock puts a stop to all PvP, using lots of antishock drugs alongside other drugs/stealth to get a pile of drugflash is a waste of time also. You just get instantly repara'd. Neocron is supposed to be PvP, not easy killing (ie, being glued to the spot so a 2month old baby that can't aim can still kill you).
It should be possible to raid each city or some of its sectors at the very least without having a million guards paraspamming you at every turn. Pepper Park is a prostitute and drug related district. It's supposed to be unsafe, guards shouldn't even be there in THAT many numbers. Speaking of guards, how can they currently let whores work at the Subway entrance, how can they let drug dealers do their work, right under their nose? Surely this is against the almighty laws enforced by the City Administration.
Edit: Do developers/KK staff actually read the forum at all?
its not the game who gets worse its people who get older :D
thats what i think anyways game is always more fun when ur a newb and the longer u play it the more it gets 'dull and boring' cuz u have done it all before.
the real issue is pupulation and that have been lower then it is now tho atm its pretty low and we need more people
its not the game who gets worse its people who get older :D
thats what i think anyways game is always more fun when ur a newb and the longer u play it the more it gets 'dull and boring' cuz u have done it all before.
the real issue is pupulation and that have been lower then it is now tho atm its pretty low and we need more people
Population can only be brought back by fixing the problems. Change is a by -product of evolution.
Pepper Park 1 & 2 have guards to protect the starter mission locations and for roleplaying reasons. Pepper Park 3 is free for PvP with no guards placed.no offence but you have this totally round the wrong way.
For a start PP1/2 have had guards a lot longer than the starter mission locations have been around ;) then there's the fact that 99% of players this early on in the game would have their LE in for safety...
Anyway, you guys did a really good job making plaza1 a safezone, it meant nc wasn't empty, so when new players start they always bump into people to talk to at plaza medicare... so, what would they think right early on in the game having to go into the "back alleys" of neocron and seeing loads of people fighting.. personally this would attract me to the game even more.
edit/ oh and while we're on the subject... do you have guards at every zoneline on purpose? do we really need npcs ganking us when we're in sync, the players do it enough as it is...
Bugs Gunny
06-05-06, 21:09
Get rid of the copbots and guards in pepper park.
And give the dome a few zones without guards with some shop and a redlight district, i vote bd sector, with an unguarded genrep and a few entrances.
So why is it called "Bring back pepperpark" and why does your first post say "What i'd like to see is pepperpark brought back to what it once used to be."?
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Surely you can see from further posts what he means by that? The request doesn't mean literally. Jeez Nid, we know time travel isn't possible! We're asking for certain changes to suit todays players. We're NOT asking for it to go back to what it was. Leave DoY where they are, and remove a few guards to aid PvP. The game consists of roleplaying and PvP, surely you can see why we need a bit more encouragement with this?
For the record, I don't PvP. I have my LE in all my chars and I can see this is a much needed step.
its not the game who gets worse its people who get older :D
what people?
That's my point. Why try and go backward? Go forward!
NNo offense, but what has going forward brought this game? Less players, less fights, not really much more to do besides a few quests. Some new areas granted, but overall this game has gone downhill and with op wars seeming to have been dying down(or slow week?), a lot more accts will be canceled. Moving forward hasn't really done much. I"d rather go backwards to when I could just be in the mood for some PvP in neocron, and jump in and get it.
The main problem regarding PvP at the moment is Parashock.Friendly advice, don't bother. We've been bitching about freeze effects in this game and how it ruins pvp for over 5 years now. Only diff is freezer rifle/pistol has been replaced with parashock.
Edit: They actually removed/greatly reduced the freeze effect on mouse movement atleast, not that it changes the outcome really.
i idea for para just make so you can use it in out post zones ????
back to the piont will kk do anything about it if we ask alot for pepper park to be bk like it was in nc1 ?
Bugs Gunny
06-05-06, 23:07
That's my point. Why try and go backward? Go forward!
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But we all know that not all steps forward are in the right direction, sometimes it's better to step backwards a bit and go in the right one.
back to the piont will kk do anything about it if we ask alot for pepper park to be bk like it was in nc1 ?
Maybe, as long as we're not flaming them and we offer useful suggestions, we should be in with a chance. There would have to be enough support for it though.
Keep the thread going people, but with constructive posts, not spam.
Some more interaction and a willingness for compromise from KK would be greatly appreciated. Good customer relations should be at the forefront of any successful business these days.
I've been playing this game long enough to know KK wont even come close to considering even doing this idea.
Aint gonna happen, and if it does, then thats the first time KK have done something like this, ever.
That doesn't mean we should give up though cRazy-. If we all show we want it and runners continue to PvP at PP then it'll be proof that its something that the enviroment should adapt to.
Yeah, even as someone who as basically avoided pvp until recently, meaning in never really took part on PP fights, they looked fun.
And i can only imagine if PP was the only sectors changed, then although zoneline whoring will continue - like it does in MB - i think it would add more exitement knowing your cant zone into a full safezone, only guarded.
That way the enemy could follow if the numbers were high enough or the players brave enough.
I would also love to see a "weak/pvp point" put into the dome too.
A place where raids can start somewhat easily, but also the enemy would have some idea where you are coming from.
Crazy-, sorry to say your wrong, they have made good changes when called for by the community, the problem we have with them is 99% of the ideas we put forward dont even get a comment, let alone an explaination as to why it wont be done - which is something that other game communities might not appreciate too much - but as far as ive seen, this ommunity lets go of an issue if KK actually tell us why they wont/cant do it.
I would also love to see a "weak/pvp point" put into the dome too.
A place where raids can start somewhat easily, but also the enemy would have some idea where you are coming from.
That’s something that’s been needed for a while. DoY is dead and seems a bit pointless. It's such a massive place and has loads of potential. There needs to be some secret passage opened up that leads into one of the abandoned sectors. Neocore could do a revenge raid against DoY for all the food raids and set it up. Maybe afterwards, when DoY would enevitibly seal it back up, you could use a hacker to get back in. Or a GenTank demolitions expert. Something...anything!
That doesn't mean we should give up though cRazy-. If we all show we want it and runners continue to PvP at PP then it'll be proof that its something that the enviroment should adapt to.
Yeah, still aint gonna happen though :p .
Like Nidhogg said, might I add with quite a naive perspective:
That's my point. Why try and go backward? Go forward!
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(Incase anyone gets the wrong idea, I dont agree with that).
Crazy-, sorry to say your wrong, they have made good changes when called for by the community, the problem we have with them is 99% of the ideas we put forward dont even get a comment, let alone an explaination as to why it wont be done - which is something that other game communities might not appreciate too much - but as far as ive seen, this ommunity lets go of an issue if KK actually tell us why they wont/cant do it.
They have made good changes yes, however the likelihood of this happening is so slim. As well as the idea going against all concepts of Roleplay their would have to be a significant change in the storyline and/or faction infrastructure. Plus from what I've seen KK dont even like the idea much, if thats the case then it obviously makes it even less likely.
Im not trying to put a downer on the idea, I would actually want it myself, I miss the old PP fights. But I'm just not getting my hopes up.
with regards to nid "why go backward? go forward!" dont u people see its the customers choice? but afais is that u just do ur own thing never take into consideration what the "customers" want kk wouldnt be where it is without the "customers", dam it been so long since i did buisness maybe someone should post some of them customer rights laws on here, i dunno where u people come from but where i come from customers are always right and need to be taken into consideration.
Bugs Gunny
07-05-06, 13:46
I'm sure whne KK logs in to see the serverpops they smile and go :"man, look at what a fine job we're doing."
but the servers pops in nc2 are like 30% of the nc1 pops
They have made good changes yes, however the likelihood of this happening is so slim. As well as the idea going against all concepts of Roleplay their would have to be a significant change in the storyline and/or faction infrastructure. Removing guards going against all concepts of roleplay? Care to explain such a blatently wrong statement?
Significantly change the storyline? Wow, "Newsflash: CityAdmin give up on pepperpark, citing waste of resources".
OMG THE STORYLINE WAS BROKEN IN HALF!!111
i dunno where u people come from but where i come from customers are always right and need to be taken into consideration.
I thought you came from the ghetto?
I would also love to see a "weak/pvp point" put into the dome too.
A place where raids can start somewhat easily, but also the enemy would have some idea where you are coming from.
the whole dome is a 'weak point'. GR in at tsunami HQ, wait until your SI is gone in total safety and the whole dome (except city center) is at your disposal.
the amount of guards in the dome compared to nc is a joke. but a good one, I dont like npc guards at all. especially those in pepper park :)
yes man, signed. Remove them & we will have a lot of fun...
50% of the guards in Neocron City would be enough,that without Freeze
would be Heaven in Nc!
see what im talkin about now i get a bug today on 3 occassions where i had no invent or belt and had to relog 20 + times before i got everything in my invent and belt back fix the dam game and start thinkin bout your customers kk.
40 tries and still no progress
the whole dome is a 'weak point'. GR in at tsunami HQ, wait until your SI is gone in total safety and the whole dome (except city center) is at your disposal.
the amount of guards in the dome compared to nc is a joke. but a good one, I dont like npc guards at all. especially those in pepper park :)
Well what i mean by a weak point, as someone quoted me cleared up, we need a way in in the first place.
I see many single players raid as far as Plaza 2, but as a PE, using everything at my disposal (i dont have a PPU), I cant get inside the dome to tag a GR.
Gimmie my neocron 1 back !!
eric-the-ded
07-05-06, 22:30
rollback to August 2003 tbh
i'd be back in a second.
the whole dome is a 'weak point'. GR in at tsunami HQ, wait until your SI is gone in total safety and the whole dome (except city center) is at your disposal.
the amount of guards in the dome compared to nc is a joke. but a good one, I dont like npc guards at all. especially those in pepper park :)
The Dome, as stated, is considered to be used only by 'experienced' players, I guess thats why the Dome has fewer Guards, Its expected to be more dangerous and relies on the experienced players to defend it.
The Dome, as stated, is considered to be used only by 'experienced' players, I guess thats why the Dome has fewer Guards, Its expected to be more dangerous and relies on the experienced players to defend it.
I thought it was more because the place is a shambles and in disarray. There's still rubble everywhere, passages completely blocked off in certain areas, exposed wires hanging down (which should hurt/kill you if you get too close tbh) and shitty lighting. They need to get a rhino with a big fucking plough strapped to the front of it and clear it up. :mad: Even having sectors slowly cleaned up one by one would be good.
2 many gaurds has nothing to do with Reeza trying to entrap the citizens of NC, and make them follow him :p, oh wait maybe they do,
As for getting into the Dome or NC on pro/anti.
For Pro -
Pe/Spy, Just stealth in, its easy to do, very easy, Monk, hmm ppu Or APU/HYB's with anti para can run though, Mine did. Pure APU< Well ok, what do u expect tbh, you need a ppu, Tank, i tried with fucked soulight, i got to the bottom of Tsunami lift with a /35 MC tank, (no CON at all tbh).
For Anti,
Secret entrances, then Stealth around, Biotech HQ is an amazing place to tag, you can GR there and wait SI off in a safe place. also Protopharm HQ< has a few safespots to stand and wait si (Good for raiding Plaza 2).
My Hybrid started Pro and now i can GR to proto/Biotech HQ and waltz around plaza/via, He is only a APU/Hyb with a TL25 shelter TL10 heal and i ran him through Plaza 1, lol..
The Dome, as stated, is considered to be used only by 'experienced' players, I guess thats why the Dome has fewer Guards, Its expected to be more dangerous and relies on the experienced players to defend it.
I dont have a problem with that (as you can clearly read in my statement), I was just answering the "the dome is so well protected" post.
Secret entrances, then Stealth around, Biotech HQ is an amazing place to tag, you can GR there and wait SI off in a safe place. also Protopharm HQ< has a few safespots to stand and wait si (Good for raiding Plaza 2). Wait for SI, then what?
You've got to be pretty new or dumb to die with 40 guards around.
If guards are gonna be involved then DoY runners should raid at the same times as the DoY NPC's, its least then its fair and should be good fun. But PvP'ing is not about going up against 120/120 NPC's obviously. If PP isn't an option then where? It's possible that PP can't be changed due to a storyline which is fair enough. Maybe that’s why we haven't got a satisfactory explanation in this thread. There has to be somewhere else though.
Plaza 2 seems to have a good share of lone DoY runners coming in and PKing up the place... what if there was less guards there, kinda an inner city ghetto (which it kinda is imo)
That could work. As long as there are no guards at either side of a zone line. Preferably, the P1 zone line so ALL runners, Pro & Anti can take a breather and a buff. The guards could be put back for the events whenever DoY troops invade. Just a simple GM spawn along with the mobs shouldn't be difficult.
DarkPhoenix
10-05-06, 05:06
i'd be back in a second.
As would I. But, not gonna happen. :(
Vampire222
10-05-06, 10:03
Same, and same with trainloads of people tbh, it's up to KK whether they feel like having those.
Wait for SI, then what?
You've got to be pretty new or dumb to die with 40 guards around.
There is 3 gaurds between BT hq and the Biotech Employee's, and my Hybrid and pe easily make it. Because only the copbot shoots, so its 1 gaurd.
Heal and anti para, or stealth. Also you can go to plaza3 without hitting any copbots. With a Stealth 1 you can run to the "Vehicle Shop", and from there stealth into either plaza 2 or plaza1.
Also the Hovercabs, you cant get shot in them. if your about to die, jump in one and take a medi.
Bugs Gunny
10-05-06, 11:16
I went to raid the city last night.
I spent about 12 antishock drugs. There's too many guards and too much para going on. I did a run from pp3 to p3-p1-p2.
I killed a tank right in front of the dre hq, then some noob pe in p2 and a capped ppu (who crashed) in p2.
Somehow the insane amount of guards in p2 seems to have gone, but it's still very hard to actualy pvp and stay out of the range of the parabots.
The way i see it the main problem with pvp is the low populations. I hunt the wastes a lot and i often find people, but if you have 500 people on the server you're more likely to find larger groups hunting or traveling.
I remember back in nc1 you could travel around and run into an entire opteam.
Same, and same with trainloads of
people tbh, it's up to KK whether they feel like having those.
hardly, people quit before nc2 came out for a reason if people came back becourse its nc 1 they would quit again in less then a week
nc1 is overrated.
if nc2 had the population of nc1, it would be far more enjoyable than nc1 ever was
As would I. But, not gonna happen. :(
You want a rollback to 2003? Dude, you quit in 2003. :p
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Somehow the insane amount of guards in p2 seems to have gone, but it's still very hard to actualy pvp and stay out of the range of the parabots.
from what I can tell the amount of guards is still the same, at least on mars - but some nice guy tricked most of them into a room opposite of the subway, so they're out of the way. much work, but its worth it. same with the two guards in pp3, safely positioned in the mainsewer entrance (which is quite easily done).
Vampire222
10-05-06, 13:21
Whose idiotic idea was it in the first place to turn guards into paraspammers? O_o
DarkPhoenix
10-05-06, 14:20
You want a rollback to 2003? Dude, you quit in 2003. :p
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The end of 2003. :lol: Up until then, it was fun as hell. And it was fun when I came back to NC1. But it wasn't fun when I came back ( again :p ) in NC2.
/signed by me.
sack the CA guards in Pee Pee.
Friendly advice, don't bother. We've been bitching about freeze effects in this game and how it ruins pvp for over 5 years now.
Isn't that the truth.
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