View Full Version : How to lose a potential customer the first day of trial re: click2pay
Downloaded the game, waited all day and when it was finished I began creating a trial account. Get through and see click2pay ( wtf is this ). Shrug it off thinking no big deal, some paypal wannabe. Sign-up against my better judgment and begin playing. The game is awesome but about an hour into it my Credit Cards fraud division calls me to verify that I authorized a transaction with a known shady vendor ( Click2Pay ) in Germany and to tell me they had charged $5 onto my card.
So much for a free trial huh? Not only that if a vendor is triggering the fraud department to call my home phone to verify ( something that never happens and I shop online all the time ) then I have to wonder about the company using said vendor as well. I just took a glance through this forum and noticed all the other complaints about the payment system. Pieces of sh*t, I'm sure I'm not the first to blow this game off because of such shady actions but I thought I'd let you know anyways. What a waste of a rad game, stop taking lessons from Blizzards CSR policy writers and get your head out of your ass.
signed-
no longer interested
Pretty much the same thing mentioned in every other Click2Pay post... sorry to hear you're no longer interested in Neocron because of the payment methods (or lack of), but that's how it is and noone can be bothered to do anything about it. It's been many months now since they were being "reviewed"... if that's how long it takes for Reakktor to "review" things, god knows how long it takes for things to get "done".
This post and thread will probably get edited as being a "flame" but it's the truth, and it keeps getting said OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER, and still nothing gets done. Driving away potential customers because of back-alley services isn't the way forward. Please do something fast before more and more people either don't start playing or stop playing because of Click2Pay.
People only put up with the same old nonesense for so long, then one day, they have enough of it, and cancel their subscriptions, and go on with life playing another game, which isn't good for the people (like me) that want to see Neocron grow, but at the moment there's almost no advertisement, and the people who start thinking about playing because of somehow hearing about neocron, get pushed away thanks to these same old reasons.
Collect all these posts together and show them to the person(s) in charge Nidhogg, since they obviously don't see how many customers they're missing out on due to this BS. My account is cancelled too, expires at the end of this month, but will probably be reactivated in the first or second week after being incredibly bored with other things. This counts for a LARGE amount of people I know who play Neocron, there's simply nothing else (until Twilight Wars comes out) in this genre.
/signed
i was just looking for field where i enter credit card number on NC2 account page
but suddenly..
i have to register somewhere where i dont want to, give credit card number to company with very bad reputation, expect phone call, talk to some dude i dont want to
ehh first 2 times i just uninstalled NC2
3rd time (now) it was the last interesting game on market i havent played yet
ooohhhh man, i am so tired of this topic. Its Really a Mystery why kk. does not give C2p and PBC the boot. Anyhows, its also a mystery why some people achually keeps moaning about a system they are fored to use in any other online RPG... No! C2P and PBC Does not seem very professional, but all in all, how many complaints do you guys see, from people achually playing the game ? once u get it setup, it works! simple as that! No moaning, no Fraud, no scams! it just works! yes! there are exceptions, there always is.. but i havent meet one guy who had trouble with it, after getting started.
We're already going through the process to sign up a new payment provider but can't release any more details for the time being.
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Pwnage for Nidhogg! Out with the Fraud, in with the new. :D
It's going to be interesting to see how long "going through the process" takes. Hopefully it won't be years but months instead.
Trust me when I say that no one wants this to arrive quicker than we do.
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TheCorinthian
06-03-06, 15:08
I signed up for an account with my credit card in good faith, and whats the first thing I see upon entering the forums?
"oh yeah our credit card service is fraudulent, sorry bout that we're working on it"
No mention of it in the registration, but then again that might scare away potential customers, and we don't want that, do we?
Shameful.
6stringsamurai
06-03-06, 15:24
Welcome to neocron :D
Scaramanga
06-03-06, 15:30
I use CC payment via an online wallet named Paynova. No problems so far.
I signed up for an account with my credit card in good faith, and whats the first thing I see upon entering the forums?
"oh yeah our credit card service is fraudulent, sorry bout that we're working on it"
No mention of it in the registration, but then again that might scare away potential customers, and we don't want that, do we?
Shameful.
Well.. i know its not even half of explanation but..
i got me Star Wars Galaxies hoping for some fun and knowing from friends how this game look and what is good and what bad
8 days after i joined SWG is patched.. game changes radicaly and game director stating on their forums: we will test it for couple of months to see how it goes (on live servers of course)
NC2 'suprises' are nothing compared to SWG ones.
NC2 is fun game.
Is it worth dealing with C2P? For me it is.
Until then, everyone should use PayByCash. :p
turbineS-line
07-03-06, 01:53
Guys. We aren't the only ones feeling the pain of C2P.
Click2Pay and Casino Sites (http://www.internettexasholdem.com/phpbb2/thu-feb-02-2006-218-pm-vp246009.html)
Click2Pay dabbles heavily in the casino gaming area. And other people have the same feelings as us. Not everyone gets burnt, but a lot do.
Reakktor is going in the right way, and away from this Casino Gaming company, and hopefully into a more professional area as far as payment systems go.
Well, its a great game but I too will not use click2pay. Email me when the switch is made admin and youve got a customer.
I signed up for an account with my credit card in good faith, and whats the first thing I see upon entering the forums?
"oh yeah our credit card service is fraudulent, sorry bout that we're working on it"
At no point have we said that because it's not the case (I'd also appreciate it if you didn't repeat that allegation). We are trying to improve our billing service on purely performance grounds.
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btw i am curious how come sometimes i saw some news and updateds about char / items rollback and most of their stuffs they earn is gone for good
and afews time i saw this happens wont NC2 fix those issue ?
i am on afews mmorpgy games and its never happens before too
So, a quick overview?
NC2 uses Click2Play to recieve payments.
Click2Play has been charging small amounts for trial accounts?
(Anyone know if this happens to everyone, or is it against just a few people)
NC2 is in the process of getting together a remedy...
Is there an ETA on this?
Freyar, it's much more beyond that. If it were just that, Rekktor would not be changing, and noone would be complaining, but theres been MUCH more problems than that.
Click2Play has been charging small amounts for trial accounts?
(Anyone know if this happens to everyone, or is it against just a few people)
For the record it's an authorization attempt. Most of the time it shouldn't even appear on a credit card statement. It's when the authorization attempt is processed incorrectly does it show. You can always contact C2P when those show for more information.
ArcAngel_Slayer
09-03-06, 22:41
I've got to be honest with you guys, I bought a boxed version of Neocron 2 a long time ago. I've wanted nothing more than to play Neocron. but currently I don't trust Click2Pay at all.
So I'm relegated to playing Eve Online, I tried Face of Manking wasn't satisfied.
The only thingI want to play right now is this game but until a better form of payment comes along I'm not touching it.
I know you guys are trying hard to change the payment methods but it can not come quick enough.
every few days I see a new post complaining about a new player leaving or not even trying due to Click2Pay.
I'm glad KK are trying in some areas.
But for now I will firmly be waiting in the shadows for the day that Neocron will emerge from those also very dark shadows.
Arc
For the record it's an authorization attempt. Most of the time it shouldn't even appear on a credit card statement. It's when the authorization attempt is processed incorrectly does it show. You can always contact C2P when those show for more information.
So does that mean that (if it is processed incorrectly) it shows a charge of $5 USD but is credited later?
Sorry guys, I've not heard of many problems with Click2Play. (Though, I'm not much of an MMO kind of guy. Morrowind and Oblibion).
So, a quick overview?
NC2 uses Click2Play to recieve payments.
Click2Play has been charging small amounts for trial accounts?
(Anyone know if this happens to everyone, or is it against just a few people)
NC2 is in the process of getting together a remedy...
Is there an ETA on this?
i perosnalyl do not like click to pay eigher, but I did not have aproblem with them overcharging me or charging me for a trial account. I personalyl to use pay by cash anymore.
Everyone should just use paybycash, i read a few of these posts about Click2Pay's bad reputation before i signed up (luckily) and so i used the PayByCash option, which gives you 10 or so different ways to pay! You can even send them a money order! The one i used was Certapay, it allowed me to send an Interac payment from my Bank's online banking system to PayByCash, the whole thing was processed from Bank -> PayByCash -> KK within 2 hours! I could not believe it i was playing so fast, and i didnt even have to give out my creditcard number. If Click2Pay is holding you back, PayByCash can set you free! :angel:
Look atthose those guys we could be killing KK DO SOMETHING !!!!! :angel:
I never had any probs with c2p....
Meh - you don't like c2p there's always paybycash, which has a variety of affiliates you can use. No ones forcing you to use C2P.
Logan_storm_03
10-03-06, 18:33
PBC does not work for me, so I'm sure it will not work for other people aswell.
PBC does not work for me, so I'm sure it will not work for other people aswell.
its ok for me :o
Can PBC take debit card info and charge it thru that? If so, then I've cleared up my inhibitions. :)
Logan_storm_03
11-03-06, 01:06
its ok for me :o
So is click2pay for most people.
Trust me, I spent like hours going through each PBC option and none worked for me. So I'm sadly giving up intill KK gets some new payment options.
nasty nate
11-03-06, 02:04
lawl!?
So is click2pay for most people.
Trust me, I spent like hours going through each PBC option and none worked for me. So I'm sadly giving up intill KK gets some new payment options.
just use pay by cash it works great =).
just use pay by cash it works great =).
I spent like hours going through each PBC option and none worked for me
O__________o
Pbc is good, it's just Click2Pay has some problems, and has a very bad reputation. Already, a few credit card companies have red marked C2p as a trouble company.
O__________o
HAHAHA I missed what he said there crazy. ive never seen anyone have problems with pay by cash. DID you try there check option. You just run your check through and it done in like 3 hours.
Logan_storm_03
11-03-06, 23:07
HAHAHA I missed what he said there crazy. ive never seen anyone have problems with pay by cash. DID you try there check option. You just run your check through and it done in like 3 hours.
Check option? As I write a check, and send them a scan of it?
Check option? As I write a check, and send them a scan of it?
what happens is you enter the check information and then the money is electronically deposited in there account. takes about 3 hours to complete.
Bishop Yutani
14-03-06, 19:12
Thats what i did after being out of NC for a month due to C2P. Just give them your bank's routing #, your account # and a check #, all of which is on the bottom line of a check.
Mine was set in less than 3 hours and i was in with no problems.
I wanted to know which country this game, and their paym,ent methods, originated in. I am an American consumer, who had to view everything in Euros and Pounds. Although I am decent with the conversion rates, this too may be a problem with some that are new to Neocron.
The developers are based in Hamburg in Germany, their payment system is based in Germany aswell and the servers are housed in the Level 3 building...in Germany ;)
Logan_storm_03
15-03-06, 00:41
Erm, what option is the check? In PBC.
Bishop Yutani
15-03-06, 00:50
second one down, virtual check.
Logan_storm_03
15-03-06, 00:54
Oh sex.
My account was activated within the hour. If you submit during normal business hours, it takes about that time.
glad see the virtual check option work for you guys to =). its payment option i used to get back in =). Hopefull though theuy get somrethign other then c2p for a cr option soon.
The_Warden
20-03-06, 00:33
Hello people,
Maybe fingers crossed Neocron might get splash plastic and then instead of going through the hassle of having to order another HSBC card and claim to have lost my 14th credit card (because the 3 digit number on the back fades) it would be easier to top up via a normal PP near home =)
Then it would be easier to do the drilling =)
Just waiting for my ebay game version to come through the post as game was sold out of Neocron =(
Regards
Warden =)
Thinking back to the time NC1 was still in beta, I wanted to download the trial and have a look around in NC...
Now I read this..
CAN I look around without paying?
Cause by the sound of things, I need to give a creditcard of something when I'm done downloading.
i know im new as of today, but i feel i can shed some light on this (assuming it hasnt been said already. if that is the case, gomen ne)...
for those of you complaining about a small charge that may have been added (and then removed later, i gather), i wonder if you have ever used your credit cards at a restaurant or gas station and looked at your statement.
many companies do this quite often: charge a small (usually $1) fee to a credit/debit account and later reimburse that charge, or else put it toward the full amount to be paid. this is a common practice to make sure that the account that they are dealing with is legit and not just some number you pulled out of nowhere. it also lets you get in and activated sooner because they get the OK from the card company quickly over small amounts. it is VERY useful at the gas/petrol/diesel pump because you usually put in your card BEFORE you start fueling, which means that the pump doesnt know how much to charge you yet. when you finish filling your car is when the transaction is complete, but it wont start the pump in the first place without validating your card.
the same holds true of this game. they assess that you have a valid account and start you playing even before the 10 days is up. after that they want a smooth transition into pay2play, so with a small charge they have already validated your account and can charge you accordingly AFTER the 10 days trial (like after youre done filling your gas tank).
this sort of thing has happened to me hundreds of times, and i have yet to loose any money for real. all they do is put that $1 or $5 toward the gas i bought or the dinner i ordered, etc. :D
I wish Neocron would just drop the whole payment system, and either go completely free ala Guild Wars, or if that's not possible then get some in-game advertisements that will help pay for server costs. Not everyone's parents (like mine) are ready to trust online payment options. And realistically, why should they? I've seen quite a few complaints regaurding C2P, and the only other option is PayByCash. I'm sure PayByCash is a good system, but even then not everyone is willing to pay to play a game that's doing business with a shady company such as C2P, as is the case with my parents.
Here's my solution to the problem. Give the game 1 month of free play. During this 1 month where noone's paying to play, KK revamps all of the problems with the payment options. 1 month of free play will also bring new players into the game, the same people who dont want to deal with C2P in order to play a game, and even a few newcomers who would like to try out an FPS MMO. Now, one month is up, and the people who cant pay to play regaurdless of the payment system will be gone, too bad so sad. But that gives this game some publicity! 1 month of free gameplay and a brand new billing system in order, Neocron 2 will have some nice publicity and a better billing reputation. As a result of both of these things, Neocron get more players, and more players = more money for KK to spend on the server and a larger Neocron community.
I wish Neocron would just drop the whole payment system, and either go completely free ala Guild Wars, or if that's not possible then get some in-game advertisements that will help pay for server costs. Not everyone's parents (like mine) are ready to trust online payment options. And realistically, why should they? I've seen quite a few complaints regaurding C2P, and the only other option is PayByCash. I'm sure PayByCash is a good system, but even then not everyone is willing to pay to play a game that's doing business with a shady company such as C2P, as is the case with my parents.
Here's my solution to the problem. Give the game 1 month of free play. During this 1 month where noone's paying to play, KK revamps all of the problems with the payment options. 1 month of free play will also bring new players into the game, the same people who dont want to deal with C2P in order to play a game, and even a few newcomers who would like to try out an FPS MMO. Now, one month is up, and the people who cant pay to play regaurdless of the payment system will be gone, too bad so sad. But that gives this game some publicity! 1 month of free gameplay and a brand new billing system in order, Neocron 2 will have some nice publicity and a better billing reputation. As a result of both of these things, Neocron get more players, and more players = more money for KK to spend on the server and a larger Neocron community.
They are chaning billing options, and they have already done 2 weeks free of nc.
I dont' think you understand that there are people working on this game who need to get paid. You can't just give all that free time in such a small company and not expect it to affect proformance. I would personaly like to see the cost go UP so that more quality can be added to the game.
They are chaning billing options, and they have already done 2 weeks free of nc.
I dont' think you understand that there are people working on this game who need to get paid. You can't just give all that free time in such a small company and not expect it to affect proformance. I would personaly like to see the cost go UP so that more quality can be added to the game.
I thought that the two free weeks was only for returning players who already had a Neocron 2 account but let their subscription run out.
Of course they need to get paid, I never said that they shouldnt be payed. But a free month would bring in MORE people so that KK would make MORE money. More money = more quality. If in-game advertisements can cover both server costs and pay the programmers, then I'd be all for that. But since the chances of that happening are very unlikely, I think that a free month to bring in more people is just the ticket to Neocron's success.
It might be worth mentioning that during those 2weeks, the servers either died, or had a rollback, or both, I can't remember which, since it was that long ago. I think that was about the time of the Apartment rollback where items were duplicated, as they didn't really want to rollback a days worth of people's levelling (a lot of newbie characters from people returning). You couldn't zone properly in lots of sectors like Via Rosso, and obviously Apartments were buggered to no end. I remember it taking me 35minutes to get from one zone line to the other, only to be randomly moved back to DRT, 5 sectors away from where I was wanting to be. :p
There were quite a few problems, which wasn't good for returning and new customers to see (therefore, they left again to play something else). Those two free weeks basically went to waste, because the server population went slightly lower than normal after the free time was over. I think free time after the balancing is good, but at the moment, it's not worth it, since the heal nerf made APU hybrid monks way more powerful, and there will be lots of screw ups i'm sure until balancing is near complete.
The christmas event was also completely naffed because some of the NPC's weren't added with the correct letters. That was the point which I decided to stop bothering finding out the correct answers to get the "correct" (but wrong) letter.
Well here's the thing I'm ACTUALLY worried about.
Click2pay is already known for "fraud" or whatever you wanna call it..
If KK switches from C2P to some other company and C2P gets pissed and decides to charge people that are subscribed to NC.. what happens then?
Sounds really really farfetched.. but if C2P is known to charge people for just bullshit.. How do we know this won't happen??
AND furthermore.. if it did.. what would us over in North America do about it?
Sounds like a load of crap.. but just what iF?
PBC seems ok, there is just enough options there to get most people in most places going, still would welcome some kind of method that took payments 24hours a day 7 days a week and had decent payment options free of third party charges, and processed instantly much like the vast majority of mmos out there.
-A
anynews of neocon having new payments scheme?
i wish to try NC2 but dont want to be bugged by its crapy payments
and toobad nC2 is also having its playerbase lowered too as time goes by i guess
anyone care to update on terra server playerbase now?
Think their ever going to remove the credit card on sign up for trial?
Think their ever going to remove the credit card on sign up for trial?
No...
anynews of neocon having new payments scheme?
i wish to try NC2 but dont want to be bugged by its crapy payments
and toobad nC2 is also having its playerbase lowered too as time goes by i guess
anyone care to update on terra server playerbase now?
Paybycash!
PAYBYCASH!!
PAYBYCASH!
Well here's the thing I'm ACTUALLY worried about.
Click2pay is already known for "fraud" or whatever you wanna call it..
If KK switches from C2P to some other company and C2P gets pissed and decides to charge people that are subscribed to NC.. what happens then?
Sounds really really farfetched.. but if C2P is known to charge people for just bullshit.. How do we know this won't happen??
AND furthermore.. if it did.. what would us over in North America do about it?
Sounds like a load of crap.. but just what iF?
FUCKING PAYBYCASH!!
I thought that the two free weeks was only for returning players who already had a Neocron 2 account but let their subscription run out.
Of course they need to get paid, I never said that they shouldnt be payed. But a free month would bring in MORE people so that KK would make MORE money. More money = more quality. If in-game advertisements can cover both server costs and pay the programmers, then I'd be all for that. But since the chances of that happening are very unlikely, I think that a free month to bring in more people is just the ticket to Neocron's success.
Go get a paper route.
<_< Oh, and Paybycash let you use Splash plastic, or *gasp* Pay by cash.
Unless PayByCash has a guy who will drive up to my house and ring on the doorbell and say "$15 so that you can play Neocron this month" and then I hand him the money directly, which I really doubt is what they mean by "Pay By Cash", then the whole money/paying thing is shady for some folks. Regaurdless, they're going to HAVE to have some kind of information about your credit card or your bank account, and that's not something that everyone's willing to give out.
lol cApNhOwDy.
I actually believe (although I may be mistaken) that you can pay by postal order. You go to a post office and pay for a postal order (which I guess you could say is like a check or a gift certificate) and then you send that to PBC.
That would involve using my legs and actually walking to a post office though right? That's hard work. ;)
Edit: Just now I tried viewing my Click2Pay transactions for the last year, it took about 10minutes and several retries to retrieve the details for 4 transactions. Seriously not good...
Yea the first payment i did over the phone and got the game activation in about 1-2 hours, the second time i go for the 2 month plan and call them up to pay. Well the person i talked to said that they didnt allow pay by phone transactions anymore, and i sure as hell didnt want to use Pay-Pal(Pay-Pal sucks ass) so i have to go find a reliable internet transaction, I ask around and find Paynova. I go to the pay menu and pay for the 2 month plan, PayNova confirms the transaction and the money is withdrawled. I wait about 2 hours then go to load up the game. The game says i havent payed. I got to my NC acount page and there is no record of payment, i call the woman back up and try to find out WTF is goin on. :confused: She says that sometimes it takes awhile for the transaction to be verified. so I wait...... and wait...... and guess what........ I wait some more. :o finaly about 2 days later the transaction goes through and i can play. YAY!! well ever since that little feasco the payments have been fast and on time(less than a day). But yea if someone doesn't work on the payment methods there could be alot of payin customers lost, and i dont think that Reakktor can eford to lose anyone who can pay them for a highly bugged, low advertized game like this.
(Pay-Pal SUCKS!!)
Ok - I spent almost an entire day plugging in my details into C2P.
I'm not sure where I'm going wrong - I'm using my dad's credit card - do i need to register Neocron2 to him? and should my C2P account be registered to the cardholder too?
I've tried all the combinations I can think of, but I havent gotten a support response yet from C2P. I also cant edit my C2P billing address.
Constant error 501's, over and over. No idea why.
I read these threads, and try to use paybycash - the links all end up hanging with no data.
Lucky me, as I'm diving deeper and deeper into these threads, I discover that NC2 has low populations, with most of those people playing doing so out of my usual playtime. I read posts saying 'the graphics are old, the game is buggy, but I love it to death.
The threads about payment methods are informative too; the problem has been around for ever, and all I can see are vague statements about 'sometime, someday, we will change'.
Of course, if this reg process worked/had proper instructions, I wouldnt have found all this out. Wouldnt have touched the forums until I was looking up newbie guides, and might actually have a chance at playing the game itself.
Problem is, after spending this much time reading the forums, navigating C2P, and the weird meshing it does/doesnt do with the NC2 account creation page (and wtf, where does street number go - i tried with my street number and without in the Street field, no good) - also noticing that the competition linked off the reg page expired 2 months ago (it was a December only competition right? why the hell is it still there? does noone update?)
Quote:
Among all accounts created from the 1st to the 31st of December, Reakktor.com will award one account with a DELL XPS gaming machine. The winner will be announced shortly afterwards.
Eligibility
The drawing is only eligible to Neocron 2 players with a valid game or trial account created during the contest period, who are residents of a country where such contests are not prohibited by law, who are 18 years of age or older and not employees of Reakktor.com and 10tacle and their affiliates and families.
Now...surely you guys have a webmaster...someone to update at least the FRONT PAGE where newbies would sign up. It all looks like this game is abandoned, by webmasters, billers and developers alike.
So from a poorly worded and unexplained, unupdated NC2 Trial Account creation page - to the C2P page that wont process the payments (note, I have done the phone call bit, and my limit is $500, but a $0 payment wont process)
I go from there to the pay by cash link (after redoing all my trial account data again and again) and the link just keeps hanging, and not loading. I would love to PAYBYCASH (as one of the posters repeats) but the fucker won't load anyway. I'm now trying to set up a PBC account seperately, so maybe I can wire my 0.00 check to you somehow. Fantastic.
Did I mention that every other game I've played had a reliable and working payment system? That the 'My Account' page in SwG, COH, WOW and MxO all had it spelled out 'cardholders info here' and 'your info here' and it was really easy and obvious?
Say - I could always get my own credit card and use that, its true, I'm old enough and could afford it - but why bother for free trial accounts? Is it too much to ask that the 5c to $5 placeholder charge be put on an established card rather than a new one? Whats the big deal with that? I dont want to pay $40 bucks a year just for the privelige of having my OWN credit card...which i then only use to verify myself to free trials, like this, or to MMO companies. Seems pointless when he has the card, and uses it every day, and my little placeholder (and maybe sub charges) get thrown on, and I can sort it out with him.
Oh and the PBC options...for sending $0.00... are outrageous. I would seriously consider it over C2P were I considering SUBSCRIBING or COMMITTING at this point, but I'm nowhere near that stage. I just want to check the game out, like the webpage says, and im either paying surcharges or getting no response at all.
Long story short, this game doesnt seem worth the effort. The trial is whats supposed to get people hooked, and making it this frigging difficult seems to work at counter purposes.
PS - I just finished a 10 day DDO trial using a buddy key - took, maybe, 2 minutes. Shame that DDO sucks monkey nuts.
PPS - Hooray, it finally worked. Took out street numbers and set my addresses differently, and it seemed to work (although I got a German error page inbetween). Consider all other criticism retracted...but its still clunky for an online payment system.
Personally i have always used PBC Bank Transfer option for 3 different games in 3-4 years and never had a problem. As for Lick2Gay, it kinda seems a scammer company and there have been complaints about it since NC2 was released.
Unless PayByCash has a guy who will drive up to my house and ring on the doorbell and say "$15 so that you can play Neocron this month" and then I hand him the money directly, which I really doubt is what they mean by "Pay By Cash", then the whole money/paying thing is shady for some folks. Regaurdless, they're going to HAVE to have some kind of information about your credit card or your bank account, and that's not something that everyone's willing to give out.
PaybyVash is not Payingby cahs....
There are several options encompassed. 1 - Splshplastic, put money on it - then use the card to pay your NCaccount. You control how much mony is on te card, so no dodgy dealings.
or if yer too lazy to go top up a card, use an E-Wallet, there's plenty on there.
Don't, as has been said many a time, ever use C2P,
Or I'll take your balls.
PaybyVash is not Payingby cahs....
There are several options encompassed. 1 - Splshplastic, put money on it - then use the card to pay your NCaccount. You control how much mony is on te card, so no dodgy dealings.
or if yer too lazy to go top up a card, use an E-Wallet, there's plenty on there.
Don't, as has been said many a time, ever use C2P,
Or I'll take your balls.
But I like my balls :(
But I like my balls :(
See PBC for the win! ^_^
Asurmen Spec Op
03-04-06, 14:21
PaybyVash is not Payingby cahs....
There are several options encompassed. 1 - Splshplastic, put money on it - then use the card to pay your NCaccount. You control how much mony is on te card, so no dodgy dealings.
or if yer too lazy to go top up a card, use an E-Wallet, there's plenty on there.
Don't, as has been said many a time, ever use C2P,
Or I'll take your balls.
you and your balls spermy
you and your balls spermy
IN YO' FACE!
Asurmen Spec Op
04-04-06, 14:37
IN YO' FACE!
No thanks
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