View Full Version : Actual communication with the Devs?
Richard Slade
19-02-06, 14:01
Now,
I'm just curious, will there ever be a time when KK will answer actual questions,
from actual players?
It would sure as heck boost morale around here if we didn't have to talk to the brick wall called Niddy all the time :angel:
I for one would want to know what the plan is for things as zonelines and where all the new content went..
Also what the plan for HN is and what they're actually doing right now..
Hell-demon
19-02-06, 14:04
Yeah lets have a Q and A session with KK.
i'm sure if we ask niddy nicely he'll forward our questions to them :D
Just wait until the balancing forum opens up and you'll have plenty of direct communication.
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Hell-demon
19-02-06, 14:43
will there be free pie with this new forum?
Hell-demon
19-02-06, 18:51
zing!
Just wait until the balancing forum opens up and you'll have plenty of direct communication.
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Ok np, but can we either get an actual answer, or atleast some hint as to when the balancing forum will open? It has been quite some time since the neocron evolution 2.2 announcement was made.
Or do we just have too sit tight and rely on that fact that at some point in the future it 'might' happen.
In some cases even bad news is better than no news at all, at least then we are all informed and dont just have to draw our own conclusions. Which i might add are usually bad.
Oh it's definitely coming. There's an awful lot of preparation and investigative work to be done beforehand though which is what's taking the time.
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Dribble Joy
19-02-06, 19:29
Will the forum be open to all, or just a few? Like the TS might be like?
Any comments on anything else that may or may not be in the works at this point in time? as i assume areas such as Graphic and level Design as well as content(missions) are still being developed?
Will the forum be open to all, or just a few? Like the TS might be like?
Whether or not the TS is open to all or not, the forum area would be open to anyone who can read the Community Talk forums. Just not open to anyone wandering in off the street so to speak.
Hell-demon
19-02-06, 20:22
and the pie?
is there anyway to stop people who think balance is fine right now from entering that forum ;)
is there anyway to stop people who think balance is fine right now from entering that forum ;)
We monk-zerg them :)
Ya'know, 'keeping it in-game' so to speak :p
is there anyway to stop people who think balance is fine right now from entering that forum ;) i'm slightly worried about that too, there's loads of people who will cry if anything is done to make their chars worse off. personally, i'm not that worried what they do because i've got one of every char type and i don't mind lomming. not that i should have to change char if they do a good job, but maybe another char will end up suiting me better
Dribble Joy
19-02-06, 22:32
I'm sure (hope) that Nid/Dirus/The Devs cans ee through any murk that the less than enthusiastic about balance players may try to fling at any thread.
i guess polls will just be a big no-no
and i don't mind lomming. not that i should have to change char if they do a good job,
I had an idea on that actually, if their will be cause to do a lot of lomming, perhaps KK would be so kind as to drop the lom effects such as -exp and si, and for a day or two? the put them back so that we can alter our characters due to the new balance, i think it would upset alot of people to have to spend a week or more lomming all 4 character slots and then re-leveling, speically if the changes require alot of lomming.
Not that i have 4 characters to lom, just the one, but i can imagin not wanting to do all 4 slots for a few weeks.
I had an idea on that actually, if their will be cause to do a lot of lomming, perhaps KK would be so kind as to drop the lom effects such as -exp and si, and for a day or two? the put them back so that we can alter our characters due to the new balance, i think it would upset alot of people to have to spend a week or more lomming all 4 character slots and then re-leveling, speically if the changes require alot of lomming.
Not that i have 4 characters to lom, just the one, but i can imagin not wanting to do all 4 slots for a few weeks.
Skill release?
kk used to love us enough to visit us ingame :(
I'm sure (hope) that Nid/Dirus/The Devs cans ee through any murk that the less than enthusiastic about balance players may try to fling at any thread.I've seen the proposed results of private conversations your select few and KK have had, and it isn't encouraging. The level of specialization you're looking to implement is not only tedious, it's not supportable with the current population on Terra (let alone a single or double-slot server), even during peak periods.
sl33py. i'm going to have to assassinate you, for the oldest playing cron player title, sorry.
Dribble Joy
20-02-06, 11:38
Few people talk directly to anyone at KK these days, partly because Dirus and co just got bombarded with random shite, any contact anyone has is more 'what do you think of this' and/or devil's advocate.
As for specialisation; which area?
If you mean PvP, then specialisation is important if you want any degree of variation and individuality. Forcing people to make choices about their character's style of play prevents cookie cuttering.
Anyway, we will all get to sling murk around when the balancing forums open up.
Durandal|AI
20-02-06, 11:45
well. that forum wont be very usefull
remember the beta forum - many buggs, many errors - still ingame but allready written in the beta forum
Forcing people to make choices about their character's style of play prevents cookie cuttering.Increasing the skill reqs and adding perks for dumping all your skill points creates cookie cutters, it doesn't reduce them.
In any event, I've seen what your closed group wants to do. Closing the balance forum to a select few may result in that closed group "deciding" what's best for NC. I'd prefer KK not go down that road and I'm glad Dirus has said it'll be open to all.
Dribble Joy
20-02-06, 12:03
Increasing the skill reqs and adding perks for dumping all your skill points creates cookie cutters, it doesn't reduce them.
Cannot agree with that. Both the current system modified (a bit like it was before) and any new system would use specialisation to create choices for the player.
The most basic of these is more offence or more defence. Current skills mean weapons are easy to cap leaving no room to explore different offence/defence ratios.
Clearly this is not a route open for tanks or monks currently or previously, but afaik, it is intented to expand it to include all classes.
I have an idea!
What about theme weeks. Like for one week the devs focus on one task with the community. Maybe fix things like hacknet, drones, vehicles, exc
Dribble Joy
20-02-06, 12:05
I get the feeling the balancing forum may do something similar.
sl33py. i'm going to have to assassinate you, for the oldest playing cron player title, sorry.
As long as it's not personal, it's okay :D
Btw reply now and you no longer will have 1,337 posts :p
Edit:: I still got you on icq, I know where you live :evilgrinicondoesnotexistheredammit:
@ drake: Drones already got a theme week, which resulted in a lot of drone bugs gone and a full (and nameworthy) drone HUD that had more functionality then ever before, I still know a certain droner who wetted his pants.. *cough* you know who you are *cough* hacknet got a theme week too, anyways, afaict (as far as i can tell) theme weeks no longer exist (am I wrong?) so why bother to bring it up?
Hell-demon
20-02-06, 19:54
and er there will be pie right?
and er there will be pie right?
No Pie - News just in! (http://www.neocronicle.com/?p=138) :p :D
Hell-demon
20-02-06, 22:26
so thats a NO to pie then is it?
so thats a NO to pie then is it?
No pie demon... :(
Hell-demon
20-02-06, 22:53
but surely the dome has pie?
but surely the dome has pie?
We don't share. :angel:
Hell-demon
20-02-06, 23:17
But im a domey!
I'm hoping they'll take the english community seriously. In the past, KK really hasn't paid as much attention to us as the german community. I understand they're all germans themselves, are based in germany, and probably don't speak much english, but half the population of this game plays on english servers...
kk used to love us enough to visit us ingame :(
same strife from saturn nc1?
I've seen the proposed results of private conversations your select few and KK have had, and it isn't encouraging. The level of specialization you're looking to implement is not only tedious, it's not supportable with the current population on Terra (let alone a single or double-slot server), even during peak periods.
Increasing the skill reqs and adding perks for dumping all your skill points creates cookie cutters, it doesn't reduce them.
In any event, I've seen what your closed group wants to do. Closing the balance forum to a select few may result in that closed group "deciding" what's best for NC. I'd prefer KK not go down that road and I'm glad Dirus has said it'll be open to all.
So far all you've really proven is either, you're getting bad info from somewhere. or you're reading it the way you want to read it, or you're not being given all the info. Especially considering we haven't even really started working out what were planning yet. The closed group doing the deciding atm is Thanatos, Dirk, Carnage, CoDi, SnowCrash and myself.
When it comes to me, all anyone outside of that group really hears is ideas I have that have not really been brought forward yet since we've only just started actually discussing that part of the process and I haven't sent in my ideas yet, and really theres only 2 people that I discuss anything with, one of them I do so mainly because they're like the devils advocate to my style, and it gives me a better reflection on things. The only things I've even mentioned really, relates to choices of weapons, armor, and implants and deals with the cookie cutter issue.
However even that person isn't fully informed as to everything so while I may seem like I'm ignoring their views, the real truth of the matter is their concerns may already be covered by an aspect they don't even know about.
We fully intend to open all aspects up for discussion once the 6 of us have a better picture of things we'd like to change, and how we'd like to change them.
Also, if my private conversations with someone are the ones being spread around as rumors.. I am not going to be pleased at all. If I wanted them to be made public I would do so on my own on the public forums. I am not ready to discuss anything openly atm, and have repeatedly said that nothing is final. This is one of the very reasons why "actual communication with the dev's" is rare.
slightly (OT)
DO NOT EAT FOOD PRODUCED LESS THAN FOUR WEEKS AGO!
Doesnt that Suggest not eating Food if it was made LONGER than 4 weeks ago..
where the rest of the neocronicl says we can eat food as long as it was made, longer than 4 weeks ago..
Ago im tired/drunk or im using it as an excuse incase im wrong, but plz input
So far all you've really proven is either, you're getting bad info from somewhere. or you're reading it the way you want to read it, or you're not being given all the info.I am referring to an IRC discussion KK had a while back with some of the playerbase. I say "some" because it was realtime on IRC, which by definition leaves out many people due to various real-life obligations. This was at least a year ago.
As long as the future discussions are on an open forum and not a realtime, fleeting medium like IRC, I don't see a problem.
I am referring to an IRC discussion KK had a while back with some of the playerbase. I say "some" because it was realtime on IRC, which by definition leaves out many people due to various real-life obligations. This was at least a year ago.
Imo it was a lot longer ago... wasnt that on etg still? ..didnt KK drop out of ETG roughly 2 years ago?
Dribble Joy
21-02-06, 03:14
Yes, afaik, they have their own server now, more secure.
I'm sorry, but Dirus, you have to admit it's not easy to ear things like "we've only just started actually discussing that part of the process and I haven't sent in my ideas yet" .......... when you know the *long* time since the 2.2 evol has been mentionned in the forum. It was the 26/01, and it's discussed for a loooong time before this date (about the balancing things).
So what has been done since the last patch (around the mid-december 2005) ???
Why don't you just decide (promise!) to inform the community (who loves the game and pay for it ) monthly for example ? With a real dev road and feeling of the dev team.
The main thing for players, i think, is to know WHY they are waiting.
Thank you for reading :)
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